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>I really dislike these sanctimonious judgements about ancient civilizations from a place of comfort and plenty.
Anyone who was awake during their GCSEs knows about the dangers of presentism. I'm not judging the Romans based on my modern ideas about morality, I'm judging them based on contemporary ideas held by comparable civilisations. They aren't bad for doing things I think are wrong in 2016, they are bad because they did things they already knew/believed to be wrong 2000 years ago and didn't give a shit so long as it served their interests and they stood a reasonable chance of getting away with it. If you have a shorter, more accurate, definiton of evil I'd love to hear it.
>Slavery was just the status quo, it still IS the status quo in much of the world, and I'm not talking about Foxconn, I mean actual fucking slaves.
True. Just looking around my room I can see at least 3 groups of things that I know for certain are the results of slave-labour (the clothes I'm wearing, the electronic devices I'm communicating to you with and the coke I'm snorting). I also know the paint on the walls, the curtains over the window, and even the curry I ate earlier, have all had someone crucial in the supply chain getting fucked over at some point but not daring to argue on account of needing more work from whoever they worked for. Slavery does not "get off easy" because it is a human constant any more than genocide or rape would. All of my patrilineal ancestors (aside from my father) I either know or suspect to have enjoyed beating their wives, that does not make such behaviour acceptable.
>Funnily enough, the apparent sensitivity which you feel about this - or at least think you SHOULD feel - comes from Christianity.
No it doesn't. It comes from fear. I don't want to be raped, murdered, conquered or tortured so I don't rape, murder, conquer or torture. This is a lesson any civilisation learns in infancy or it is destroyed by neighbours slightly more adept than itself in feigning niceness.
>Funnily enough, the apparent sensitivity which you feel about this - or at least think you SHOULD feel - comes from Christianity. Humans don't naturally have this kind of empathy for people outside their immediate group, it has to be taught, indoctrinated at an early age. Those who disregard this brainwashing end up as cunts like the OP gripes about.
I sort of agree, but I would add that any individual who never learns to take the feelings of their peers into account is very, very lucky to live past their teens. Any person as reprehensible as you are describing, and who genuinely never exhibits any glimmer of ability to learn the rules, is ostracised by whatever society spawned them and ostracism has meant death until frighteningly recently. This is not the result of an innate and divinely ordained goodness nor is it a product of primitive Christian values in a godless universe, it is the result of self-interest. Nobody wants to live next door to a guy who killed their last neighbour and humans who can't live with other humans tend to die out within a single generation.
>The type of moral sensitivity you display would make no sense, or be an anomaly at best, coming from a culture that hadn't inculcated Christian morality.
Nonsense. My beliefs coincide with Christianity to a certain extent, but only in the areas that Christianity got it right. My beliefs coincide with Nazi Germany in relation to smoking in government buildings and vivisection but that doesn't make me a Nazi nor does it mean my ideas would make no sense without Nazism.