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>> No. 450741 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 6:21 pm
450741 is picrel true?
is it true?
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>> No. 450742 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 6:26 pm
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dont know, dont care
>> No. 450744 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 6:45 pm
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>>450742
How can you not know? There's not a single UK city where this is true.
>> No. 450745 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 6:46 pm
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I am childless and I had a vasectomy. I could not care less about the future.
>> No. 450747 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 7:37 pm
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I hate how Americanised discussion on ethnicity is. It make no sense to me why I would lump my identity in with non-native whites, it almost feels like a trick of framing the debate so that I think I've always lived in a multicultural society and that it's okay that there's areas where British isn't the majority ethnicity.

We kicked the Danes out for a reason.

>>450744
Don't be so hard on him, he hasn't even gotten to capitalisation and apostrophes.
>> No. 450749 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 7:52 pm
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The area of Manchester where I work, and the area of Manchester where I live, are both overwhelmingly white. And that's Manchester. If you hate non-whites that much, move two miles away in any direction. Problem solved.
>> No. 450750 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 8:06 pm
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Who gives a fuck.
>> No. 450753 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 8:37 pm
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>>450749
>If you hate non-whites that much, move two miles away in any direction. Problem solved.

I used to live in Mirfield. What used to amuse me was the number of people who'd moved there from Dewsbury but would skirt around the fact they'd left because of white-flight.
>> No. 450754 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 8:55 pm
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[In Mexico, Tom chats to two fellow Americans from Sacramento]
Man : I dunno, you sound like a racist to me.
Tom Metzger : I am a racist! What the hell are you talking about?
Man : I'm not a racist.
Tom Metzger : You're not a racist? Don't you want your grandchildren to look like you?
Man : I don't give a shit what my grandchildren look like.
Tom Metzger : Oh man, you're killing me!
>> No. 450755 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 9:12 pm
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I was chatting to a Mexican lass and first she made me guess her ethnicity, when I didn't think she even looked ethnic, so I went "Errr... Vaguely south-east Asian maybe? I don't want to be a racialist." Then she explained how she finds it strange people don't recognise her ethnicity and it's never on the forms over here. So then when she told me she was Mexican and I told her "Oh. Well that's why, because over here you're just white" she was perplexed and perhaps a little bit offended, though I'm not sure.

Point is that she would consider herself latina or hispanic or whatever that is, but here on this side of the pond the very concept seems a bit absurd. You visit Spain and they're all... Well... White. People get a bit tanned down towards the southern reaches of the Med but we don't categorise them as anything but white. They're just white and we don't overthink it- Because saying "I'm Italian" or "I'm Dutch" or "I'm Portuguese" means far more than saying "I'm white."

Furthermore there's no such thing as just black in this country. You can't say afro-British in the same way as Yanks say afro-American, because they're not comparable. Our black people come from disparate groups and form seperate, distinct communities. They don't all just congregate around the people with brown skin area, they settle into individual Nigerian, Jamaican, Ghanian, etc etc communities. Same goes for the Asian communities, although that's not as diverse, mainly just India and laplanderstan, but still. They have the same skin tone, but the distinction between their respective actual home countries matters more.

We're all slowly contracting the American brain-rot about race and I want you all to stop. It's like how their drinks are full of HFCS and their food is full of chlorine; when you're on the Internet, neurotic Yanks are trying to give you a racist cuckold fetish and lobotomise you with their essentialist nonsense. Don't let them.
>> No. 450756 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 9:22 pm
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>>450755
>You visit Spain and they're all... Well... White. People get a bit tanned down towards the southern reaches of the Med but we don't categorise them as anything but white.

Thats the only reasonable explaination regarding anti-white sentiment I can come up with, basically that White is an umbrella term for a large body of peoples who've significant genetic differences. That's probably not what the woke crowd mean but it helps to make sense of the idea that 'whiteness' is a social construct. The same should be said for 'blackness', too.

>Asian
What do we call oriental people these days?
>> No. 450759 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 9:49 pm
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>>450756
>What do we call oriental people these days?

Chinks.

>In the 2001 British census, the term Chinese or Other is used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asians_in_the_United_Kingdom
>> No. 450760 Anonymous
16th April 2022
Saturday 10:21 pm
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>>450747

How’s Camelford these days? Still calling Kathmandu weekly?
>> No. 450843 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 4:54 pm
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>>450755

I was going to write a post about how maybe the history of South America complicates views of Hispanics as a race in the U.S., but I realised that a) I don't know enough to really expand on that thought and b) you're absolutely right that U.S. views of race reflect some strange pathologies they have over there.

I think the main issue is that, in the U.S., race *is* culture. Maybe we have some more awareness here that people who look roughly similar can actually be culturally quite different, but I don't want to give us too much credit.
>> No. 450845 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 6:08 pm
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>>450843
Paradoxically, I think Europeans care less about race because lots of us are basically indigenous. Almost all Americans were immigrants at some point in the last 120 years, so they have a level of insecurity about that, and they might also like to focus on their heritage because it's further away from them in society.
>> No. 450846 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 6:14 pm
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>>450845

Also the legacy of slavery means that class and race are inseparable in America.
>> No. 450848 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 8:25 pm
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>>450845
I don't think it's immigration driving it but the mere fact that Americans are a mixed up people without a proper national identity. A vague racial identity makes more sense in the new world because individually they rarely have a solid background and where it exists they operate in a tribal context like Irish-American.

It's not just White Americans either, Black Americans believe they built the pyramids and the Andean nations have a weird perverted servant system with the indigenous folk built on class.

>>450846
>Also the legacy of slavery means that class and race are inseparable in America.

No, not really, that would erase the existence of a white working class which is exactly what the American system seems intent on doing.
>> No. 450852 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 10:13 pm
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>>450848
>No, not really, that would erase the existence of a white working class
No, not really. If anything, it emphasises the existence of a white working class distinct from a black working class.
>> No. 450853 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 10:37 pm
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>>450846

You know I was thinking about this, and it was inspired by pic related, which I found on some shitty rudgewick and will have been posted there a billion times.

The thing is for America, that USED to be true. The history of race relations, alongside their history of worker's rights, is quite different from our own, or anywhere in western Europe, really. Everything has been so much worse there in many ways, but the way it all coincided with their rise to prominence as the world's powerhouse economy throughout the last century answers for a lot.

If you go back into the 1900s life was every bit as shite for most of the white working class as it was here in the industrial revolution over here, and you can just look at old photos from the Great Depression to see that whites were hardly spared from difficulty then- Bit it was still better than the conditions black people faced, because the end of slavery came so late over there and the law still actively discriminated against them in a great deal of ways.

Black people didn't see genuine liberation until the 50s and 60s, by which time America was booming for everybody else. an average white "blue collar" (as they would say) worker on the production line at some factory in Detroit was able to support his entire family in a decent home in a nice neighbourhood. For them at that time, it very much seemed like capitalism was unquestionably the best economic system, and the American Dream was alive and well. Blacks still had an uphill struggle at this point though, they were still facing prejudice from the elements of society that had a hangover from the pre-civil rights era.

The thing is that those days are long gone, but in the minds of many Americans (primarily the affluent suburban liberal ones, because they are so insulated they simply don't know better) that's still the way things are. They still frame all of their thoughts about the world around them as though that's the society they live in, but it simply isn't any more. All the factories shut and fucked off to China decades ago. These days white working class Americans are scraping out a barely third world existence working at the Amazon warehouses right alongside their black counterparts, but the American middle class hasn't caught up with this reality yet.

America has a longstanding issue of class blindness because of this very phenomenon. When you listen to their politics it's all about the "squeezed middle" and "average American", because they very much still believe the "average" American lives in a nice suburban house with two cars on the driveway, rather than living on eye-watering levels of debt, giving themselves DIY tooth extractions because the bill to see a dentist would put them under for the next five years.
>> No. 450854 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 10:57 pm
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>>450853
Sage for nitpicking, but I always get annoyed by this picture since it's established in the Simpsons that Homer's father had to sell his own house so Homer could afford his. Also he's a nuclear safety technician, his incompetence aside it's a decently-paid job.
>> No. 450855 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 11:47 pm
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>>450853
Surely you can support a family on ~90k/year in Oregon.
https://www.indeed.com/q-Power-Plant-l-Oregon-jobs.html?vjk=10cfbf4f31f315e6
>> No. 450856 Anonymous
18th April 2022
Monday 11:50 pm
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>>450852
I'm not even worm-lad but treating black emancipation and the interest of the white working class as distinct issues is some bollocks invented to keep them at each others throats. The white working class in particular were instrumental in the abolition of slavery and the real issues we attach to blackness in America will only be resolved by lifting communities out of poverty and into a form of power that goes beyond some instrumental tokens. I.E. it's not about American police gunning down black men, it's about American police gunning down men in general.

This isn't some meme opinion from a Britlad, class struggle was inherent to the black leaders of the civil rights movement and what isn't emphasised when you hear mention of MLK or Frederick Douglass. I know you want to pretend the US is a South American caste system but it's more an oligarchy where the most of the oligarchs are white.

>>450853
I think you're understating just how much of a powder keg the US was throughout much of its history. The Great Upheaval of the 18th century was only curtailed by the Haymarket affair and was part of a series of class struggles complete with the first Red Scare that went right up until the New Deal era that followed on the heels of MacArthur leading the army against veterans and their families. The fact that when we talk about the US and class it doesn't come up is illustrative of the propaganda we're exposed to and which Americans have been bombarded with for good reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

In the 1970s the White, Black and Latino working class were still becoming radicalised and they were interconnected as many lived in urban areas at a time when the West was living through stagflation and Vietnam - as one would expect in period of hardship when the system strains.
>> No. 450857 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 12:35 am
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>>450854
>>450855

Yes, that's partly my point, as I alluded to in the last paragraph.
>> No. 450858 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 12:45 am
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>>450856
>class struggle was inherent to the black leaders of the civil rights movement
I have just finished reading the book by that Black Panthers guy, and you really are entirely right. The Black Panthers were all communists. He does mention other figures, such as Eldridge Cleaver, who were more into black nationalism, but Huey Newton himself and those around him were all big fans, even unquestioning acolytes, of Chairman Mao.

Of course, it could also be argued that the class system itself almost goes against the philosophy of the American dream. Your class isn't your job, it's not your current situation; it's something you fundamentally are. If you tell a factory worker that he's in the factory-worker class, then that very strongly implies he will be a factory worker forever. Meanwhile, the American dream says that every factory worker is really just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. America almost isn't allowed to have a "poor people" class, because that implies that they are meant to be poor, that poverty is their destiny. It's in direct opposition to the promise America was built on.

Come to think of it, America can't really have a rich-people class either, because that would mean that once you've made it, you can stop working and just laze around like a filthy Irishman. When your position in society is tied directly to your work ethic, then your social class is by definition not immutable. So it can't be part of your identity, because you could get a new job tomorrow. You can't worry about the plight of the lower classes, because they could all be richer than you next week if they just applied themselves. Stop laughing; this is what Americans actually believe.
>> No. 450859 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 12:54 am
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>>450853
>>450856
>>450857

Fuck it, double post because there are bits I forgot to put in the last post, I've had a few and I want to ramble.

While it is self evidently true that being a free white in the 1800s, however shit as that would have been in the developing cities of New York, Boston, etc; to some extent it is also true that slavery was used as a threat with which to keep the white working class in line, and also to keep divisions in place which secured the ruling classes' position, exactly the same as today. Think about the immigration question, Brexit and all that- It's 100% factually true and accurate, regardless how you feel about it, that having more labourers in the market suppresses wages, so it's in the worker's interest to have a lower supply. So just imagine how a great deal of the white working class felt about the idea of freeing the slaves and giving them real jobs- Even if they weren't racist, that was directly against their self interest. Thus the white and black underclass were kept from fighting together against their common enemy.

Secondly, what I was alluding to about the golden age of prosperity America (and to a slightly lesser extent, ourselves and Western Europe) enjoyed in the 50s and 60s, is actually something that presents a great deal of the issue for the left today in my opinion. The period in which everyone was sharing in the prosperity was a historical anomaly, it has never been like that before, and what we are living through is a return to the "norm". It's something that very few people in human history had the privilege to live through, and we're annoyed because we saw it so very briefly. People in first world countries are becoming disgruntled because we are no longer sharing in what was, frankly, ill-gotten wealth; the spoils of victory in two world wars and securing global hegemony.

This square is very hard to circle, because while we do have massive levels of inequality and it's plainly reprehensible that some people have to piss in bottles because they don't get a bathroom break in a 10 hour shift, while others literally own more than the GDP of small nations; we also still live quite charmed lives in a global sense. The more globalised the economy becomes the harder it is to effectively protect the wealth of any single nation; and all that on top of the climate crisis we're staring down the barrel of. It's a mess, frankly.
>> No. 450860 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 3:14 am
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>>450855
There are no nuclear power plants in Oregon, the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant that inspired Groening's hatred for nuclear power when he was initially writing the show, was demolished a couple decades ago. The employment that the show describes no longer exists in Oregon, it was phased out by environmentalists, who replaced it with coal and natural gas to supplement the hydropower which runs most of everything in that region.
>> No. 450861 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 7:35 am
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>>450853
>America has a longstanding issue of class blindness because of this very phenomenon. When you listen to their politics it's all about the "squeezed middle" and "average American", because they very much still believe the "average" American lives in a nice suburban house with two cars on the driveway, rather than living on eye-watering levels of debt, giving themselves DIY tooth extractions because the bill to see a dentist would put them under for the next five years.

Joe Biden was 78 when he became President. Donald Trump was 70 and Hillary Clinton would have been 69 if she'd won instead. I know Obama was mid-fifties but he stood against John McCain (72) and Mitt Romney (65).

Theyre stuck in the past because they're governed by geriatrics.
>> No. 450875 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 3:57 pm
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>>450853

Off-topic, but I remember I alluded to this picture on .gs a while ago. I pointed out that this was still a fairly unrealistic idea even by the 1990s, and that Groening was probably influenced by a fairly well-to-do upbringing, but a few of you were disagreeing quite flippantly. I stand by it, though. It makes sense that media and more "creative" careers are predominately taken up by wealthier people, reflecting their interests and biases as a result.

American media gave my childhood self an especially skewed idea of what a "normal" house was.
>> No. 450876 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 4:50 pm
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>>450875

If we're really committing to the alzheimerfa.gs idea, this reminds me of a thought I've probably posted here a few times over the years.

I think a lot of the existential ennui the millenial generation are lumbered with comes down to simultaneously being brought up with entirely unrealistic expectations on TV and in films, while their real terms prospects were deteriorating with every year that goes by. It's a double fucking. All of those sitcoms that showed a bunch of people with totally normal everyday jobs living in huge penthouse New York apartments, or family homes the size of mansions. Even shit like EastEnders- How the fuck are that lot affording to live in central London, when all they do is run a fucking market stall outside the Vic?

We were only kids, how were we to know all that stuff was rapidly becoming near completely unattainable?

I remember when I was a lad I thought of myself and my family as relatively comfortable and "middle class", we had a semi-detached house in a reasonably nice place, and my mum and dad both had their own car to go to work in. As a kid I obviously never understood the finances and just took it for granted we must be doing okay. After becoming an adult and seeing more of the world with my own eyes, seeing what other people grew up with both above and below me on the social scale, I've realised my parent's house is bloody tiny, our cars were always just on the serviceable end of second hand, we were at best at the top end of working class but came out alright because my parents knew how to creatively manage their money.

But even that would be totally unaffordable today. I'm looking at paying twice as much for a 2 bed flat in today's market, than they paid for this 3 bed house in 1994. I've lived in house shares and it was miserable, it was fuck all like Friends.
>> No. 450878 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 5:55 pm
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>>450876
If you can qualify for social rent you can live in houses like those in Eastenders in Tower Hamlets for around £150/week.
>> No. 450879 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 6:10 pm
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>>450878

Statistically speaking, is real life Tower Hamlets safer or more dangerous than Albert Square?
>> No. 450880 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 6:49 pm
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>>450879
In 2020 Eastenders featured twice as many on-screen murders than there were in the entirety of Tower Hamlets.
>> No. 450881 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 7:06 pm
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>>450880

Fibber. Tower Hamlets had 126 homicides in 2020, EastEnders had two.

You had me for a minute an' all. "EastEnders has gone a bit mad with murders the last few years" I thought. But you didn't fool me.
>> No. 450882 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 7:10 pm
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>>450881
How does it compare per capita? Isn’t Eastenders about a dozen houses round a small bit of grassland?
>> No. 450883 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 7:22 pm
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>>450882
Yeah, but they live twenty to a house iirc.
>> No. 450887 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 8:04 pm
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>>450881
I don't know what the fuck you're looking at but there were fewer than 126 murders in the entirety of London during 2020.

https://www.met.police.uk/sd/stats-and-data/met/homicide-dashboard/

In Tower Hamlets there was one.
>> No. 450888 Anonymous
19th April 2022
Tuesday 8:26 pm
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>>450887
In fairness the other 125 were most likely brown victims of police encounters so don't count as homicides or people.
>> No. 451151 Anonymous
29th April 2022
Friday 8:45 pm
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>>450875
>American media gave my childhood self an especially skewed idea of what a "normal" house was.
Its a shame that nobody warned you that American television was all lies and propaganda back when you were young and impressionable and being exposed to that type toxic, harmful and intentionally manipulate media. It seems like far too many people go late into their lives before realizing that TV, movies, etc. is all fictional and does not reflect the reality that they live in.
>> No. 451152 Anonymous
29th April 2022
Friday 9:18 pm
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>>451151
I think the only TV that effected the shagging habits of .gs users was Countdown and Supersize vs Superskinny.
>> No. 451161 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 7:10 am
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>>451152
Countdown?
>> No. 451164 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:23 am
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>>451161
Yeah, synchronize yourselves with one of the countdowns.

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