Which one of you posted about Swell Entertainment? Whoever it was I hope you're pleased with yourself, as now YouTube's recommending me literally several attractive young women talking about stuff I sort of find interesting, but I can't be sure I don't just like listening to attractive young women. Munecat, Emma in the Moment, Strange Aeons, Jess of the Shire; it's gotten out of hand in a matter of hours.

Wait, if someone is going round old Soviet countries can they find out whether oiski poiski is an actual phrase people use over there or if Noah's Island made it up please?

Just hopped out of the shower because my girlfriend said she wants to eat my arsehole tonight. Not really sure what to expect, to be honest.

Dadlad, I don't know if you're here right now or picking your kids up from nighttime piano lessons or getting your rimmed or whatever, and I'll never attempt to give you parenting advice of any kind ever again, but whatever you do don't let your kids wear these fucking things.

>>460858

Well, how did it go, lad?

Ive had it done a few times and been surprised how good it feels, but it is more in a "god this is filth" way than physically.

>>460860
She was "too tired" in the end. To be fair, it was about half 12 when we went to bed but she's got form for saying she's up for something and then backing out. She said she still wants to try it another time, as she brought it up in the first place completely unprompted.

>Cute and Convenient Mouth Exercise Tool

Mirth.

Truly the perfect gift for a lass.

>>460862
Dangerously DDlg.

>>460862
>>460863
Pornhub is now blocking DDLG content with a legal warning and forwarding links to charity counciling.
Is it even illegal?

>>460932

You wrongun.

>>460932

>Is it even illegal?

It's a bit of a grey area. Off the top of my head, there are eight separate bits of legislation that could possibly apply, all of which are quite vaguely worded. The CPS really can't be arsed though, which is why they've issued guidance advising against prosecutions involving material depicting consenting adults engaged in lawful acts unless there is "clear evidence of harm".

>>460950

Realistic depictions of underage sex are illegal in the UK if they convey the impression that somebody is under 18. It's in the Coroners and Justice Act of 2009. You could say that the whole point of DDlg pornography is the depiction of sex with a child. Which means that it should be illegal even if that child is portrayed by an 18 year old who looks or is made to look markedly younger.

The reason is twofold. On the one hand, it removes the burden of proof from law enforcement and authorities that an actor in a pornographic video was actually under 18. On the other hand, even if there is proof that an actor in a video was over 18, material like that is still seen as promoting child sexual abuse. Which is slightly controversial, because we don't often censor murder scenes in movies for fear that they'll promote murder. On the other hand, unlike murder, what makes paedos abuse children is their sex drive. Which can't be reasoned with, unlike when you tell most people on an intellectual level that they shouldn't go around murdering people. I guess what I'm trying to say is that realistic depictions of child sexual abuse even if the actors weren't children is a way of preventing the normalisation of child sexual abuse in the eyes of paedos. And the theory goes that the lowering of that threshold would cause more paedos to want to act out their fantasies in real life.

>>460957
And school uniform porn fits into that how?

>>460963

It's OK if the video makes it explicitly, unambiguously clear that the scene depicts an adult wearing a school uniform. If there's any element of dad/daughter, teacher/pupil or other ageplay fantasy, you're on shaky ground legally. It's probably obscene within a strict interpretation of the Obscene Publications Act and it might plausibly constitute an indecent pseudophotograph. We don't know exactly where the line is, because the legislation is vague and the CPS have decided not to actually enforce the law most of the time; there just aren't enough cases to form a clear precedent, so UK-based producers and distributors have to err on the side of caution.

With the exception of the satellite broadcasters (who are required by OFCOM to be operated from the UK), practically all UK porn production companies are legally headquartered abroad to minimise their risk of prosecution. Pascal's Sub Sluts is legally based in California, Fake Taxi is based in Cyprus and so on. Years of "something must be done" legislation have created an incredibly uncertain landscape of laws that were created to appease the tabloids, but which the CPS have no interest in actually prosecuting. There's a massive gap between the letter of the law and what's actually tolerated.

>>460965
>There's a massive gap between the letter of the law and what's actually tolerated.
Given the subject matter this could be very confusing to some people.

Technically, isn't "loli" hentai (and a lot of the weirder kink stuff even besides paedo shit) illegal too? It depicts minors and they are explicitly specified to be minors, so even if it's only a drawing and no humans in real life could possibly be harmed, it's illegal in the same way as a daddy daughter ageplay porno depicted by adult actors.

I don't think our reactionary laws on porn will really hold up that far into the future anyway, AI generated content will open up a real can of worms once people start getting it good enough to replace video; as soon as people put two and two together that if you don't need to use real actors, you can depict things that you simply can't with real people, things will spiral pretty quickly.

My personal feeling is that drawn porn, and thus by extension AI porn when it takes off, is flat out more ethical than filmed porn whichever way you look at it. Furrylad and weeblad have the moral high ground no matter what depraved what they get off to.

>>460967

>My personal feeling is that drawn porn, and thus by extension AI porn when it takes off, is flat out more ethical than filmed porn whichever way you look at it.

I guess it depends on whether or not you subscribe to the idea that all sex work including live-action pornography is eploitative even if it only involves consenting adults. Like a lot of fishpersons do.

The way I see it, normally nobody twists your arm to be a porn actor/actress. And you can't claim you had no idea how demanding that work would be. So if you don't like it, there are loads of ordinary nine to five jobs you can always go back to instead. Which aren't ever exploitative in their own way at all.

>>460972

On the basis that all work under capitalism is exploitative, yes, sex work especially so. Even if you have no qualms about the prospect of sex for money, the porn industry has to be one of the shadiest businesses on earth. I see it almost the complete opposite way- Who would work in porn if they didn't have to? Very few people would honestly say yes.

Fisherperson perspectives on porn and sex work range from mental to utterly divorced from reality either way. On the one extreme you have the ones who think it's the worst thing since the Holocaust, yet on the other end of the scale are the really deluded ones who think it's actually empowering for a woman to have her cunt demolished in front of the whole planet if it makes her a bit of easy money. The problem, as always, with fisherperson perspectives is that they are stuck up their own arse about being a woman, when the real problem is more fundamental.

To me, it's annoying when greed and profit motive spoils a product you like. When you buy a chocolate bar and you realise the Yanks who bought the brand have fucked up the recipe to squeeze out a few more percent for the shareholders. It's tragic when greed and profit motive gets in the way of artistic freedom, and a band you like says "fuck it we're sick of being poor" and starts releasing watered down pop shite, or a videogame you were excited for comes out filled to the brim with pay to win MTX bollocks. But it's nothing less than a complete violation of all decency for greed and the profit motive to shove its dirty lecherours fingers down your pants and try to squeeze money out of your very most primal, intimate desires.

>>460972

I don't see commercial porn as a whole as any more or less exploitative than any other volume job under capitalism, but recruiting people as soon as they legally can be recruited, for a job that arguably locks them in to their chosen industry for life, just sounds like the similarly morally questionable tactics of Army recruitment.

Amateur porn, the kind they don't make any more, the zero production value, phone propped up on the night stand kind, is likely the most ethical. But Onlyfans has fucked that.

>>460985
>Amateur porn, the kind they don't make any more, the zero production value, phone propped up on the night stand kind, is likely the most ethical.
Only if you know both parties were into making and sharing it. A lot of that stuff is probably shared without one party's consent, or as revenge porn.

>>460985

>but recruiting people as soon as they legally can be recruited, for a job that arguably locks them in to their chosen industry for life, just sounds like the similarly morally questionable tactics of Army recruitment.

I think telling 18 year olds that they are doing an honourable thing in becoming cannon fodder and risking their lives and wellbeing for the glory of their country is far more exploitative than telling them they can make some money getting reamed in front of a camera so that millions of guys will have something to wank off to.

I don't see them getting locked into the industry "for life". Most female porn actresses leave the industry at about age 25, unless they really develop a liking for it and stay and get into MILF porn. And for men, the cutoff is about 35 to 40.

Fishpersons are always quick to label anything as exploitative that doesn't conform to fisherperson dogma and its gatekeeping attempts. I wouldn't call being a porn actress female empowerment, but between dying needlessly in a war for your country and enabling millions to experience a more enjoyable wank, it's not hard to make a decision.

>>460987
Dulce et decorum est pro stupraria future.

>>460984
>When you buy a chocolate bar and you realise the Yanks who bought the brand have fucked up the recipe to squeeze out a few more percent for the shareholders

For people who whinge about nationalism so much you lot seem awfully transfixed on the idea that Cadbury's chocolate could be preserved in amber for your nostalgic pleasure like a Jurassic Park with 10p Freddos.

In reality Cadbury was on a downward spiral having already been impacted by rising prices of cocoa, labour and the competition from brands like Mars. Add to that in recent years our democratically elected officials have put increasing pressure on Big Chocolate to cut sugar and somehow make their recipes for a high-sugar treat healthier despite consumers not wanting to eat carrots. Climate change and rising labour costs are also hurting the bottom line of our chocolate - with various international do-gooders getting precious that you can't just enslave a few children and burn down a rainforest.

And no fighting for a higher ideal, however pernicious you made find the idea, is still a more good life than degrading yourself for a few easy pennies on OnlyFans. I know you get excited when you see a poppy but lets not get stupid. A man who makes pots for the higher ideal of bringing beauty into the world will be living a better life than one who smashes pots for money.

>>460989

Face it Torylad, the Creme Egg is an irrefutable proof of capitalism's failure, in a form that even a child inherently understands.

I don't know what you are blithering on about in the second paragraphs, you are wasting your keystrokes in the futile effort to deny how a single confectionery item has completely exposed your hollow ideology.

>>460984

>Who would work in porn if they didn't have to? Very few people would honestly say yes.

Loads of people - men and women - like to get their bits out on the internet, even if they're not getting paid a penny. The tube sites are full of amateur sex tapes and wanking vids. Even in a Star Trek post-scarcity economy, I think there'd be shitloads of porn.

While I'm sure that lots of young women start a tame OnlyFans to make a bit of extra cash, I very much doubt that's the main motive behind someone flying out to LA or Prague to start a career in the professional industry, because it's not a quick or easy payday. Either you genuinely love the work (people like Nina Hartley, Dee Williams or Rebel Rhyder spring to mind as the clearest examples), or you're looking for some kind of validation through "stardom".

>>460994

There's the key though isn't it. Loads of people like to do it for a bit of a voyeuristic, exhibitionist thrill, and that's fine. But that's a totally different thing to making it your 9-5.

So you have to ask what is their motivation, and I think you are definitely kidding yourself if you think it's more often "love for the job" than it is being out of options and desperate, for a whole variety of reasons. Then again, the fact you can name porn stars off hand as examples says a lot about your relation to the subject.

As they say, do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. But the other side of that you hear less often is that if you do what you love for a living and you'll pretty quickly stop loving it.

>>460993
You'd best get your act together, Keir. If there's no slavery in your commie-lala-land then the cocoa plantations won't work and chocolate will be banned.

>>460995
>the fact you can name porn stars off hand as examples says a lot about your relation to the subject.
If this were a conversation about a different vocation, something other than porn, would the fact that he can name people who do it off-hand but you can't support your perspective or his?

>>460994

You can extend that to almost any job. Although it's an intrinsic part of a certain kind of work ethic that's instilled in you by your parents, your school and whoever else growing up to identify with your work and your career and see it as a realisation of your potential and your success in life, I'm sure a good 60 percent of people wouldn't work a single day in their life if they didn't have to in order to support themselves.

So why are we attaching value to a random humdrum office job with gruelling hours, no perspective and often disappointing pay, where you do things all day that bore you out of your fucking mind, and we don't call it exploitation.

Again, nobody is twisting your arm to become a porn actor/actress. But if you're somebody who enjoys sex and enjoys the idea of making money with it, then your job satisfaction will be far better than if you're an exchangeable office slave. And if you play your cards right, you can make a halfway decent living.

I think a lot of it ultimately has to do with Western capitalism and epecially American calvinism and puritanism thrown in the mix, which have become the foundation of capitalism worldwide. In short, it's the idea that your whole life must revolve around work and economic success and your mind must be focused on it all the time, and any time spent idle or distracted from that is not only wasted, but a sin. Add to that the puritannical aversion to sex, let alone sex work, and it goes a long way explaining why sex work is called exploitative, while exploiting your workers in an office job must never be called the same. Because, hey, even if you are actually exploited as a worker, at least you're doing it in the name of success.

>>460998

It's all a matter of perspective, but the argument I have seen made a couple of times is that using your body is different to using your body.

The man toiling down the mines will see his muscles and joints damaged and end up with long term health problems later in life as the capitalist used his body for labour, depending on your perspective you might see that as worse than laying there and taking big ol' dicks for a few years of your life. But you' have to be dishonest to deny that having done porn wouldn't leave a lasting impact on your life- Ask yourself how you would feel about dating a porn actress and knowing she had spent her younger years taking 30 dicks a week and fucking for a living? For some men that might be a dream come true, but I suspect those kinds of men won't be the same sorts of men she would hope and dream to settle down with and lead a more "normal" life in future; whereas a great deal of men would say "fuck that" and write her off immediately. She has sacrificed something arguably much more precious. (And to be fair the same can probably said for a male porn actor, but I think it's more of a conversation about women on the whole.)

Sure, maybe that has some underlying relation to our roots in christian ethics about purity and whatnot, or we can get into a conversation about biological determinism and men wanting to be "possessive" over a woman, making us fundamentally averse to sluts in order to feel security we're not raising another male's offspring or something. But nevertheless it's relevant, it's part of the society we live in and something that impacts on people's lives.

>>460995

>I think you are definitely kidding yourself if you think it's more often "love for the job" than it is being out of options and desperate, for a whole variety of reasons. Then again, the fact you can name porn stars off hand as examples says a lot about your relation to the subject.

The thing is, it's not actually a viable career option for anyone who is desperate and out of options. There are only a handful of major centres of production, so if you don't happen to live in LA or Las Vegas or Prague, you need the wherewithal to relocate. A small number of producers will book basically anyone who is reasonably young and hot and has two forms of ID and a clean test certificate, but that's not enough to sustain any sort of career; beyond those two or three casting scenes, you're just not going to get booked again if you can't at least feign enthusiasm for what you're doing and work with a director to produce a good scene. Rates of pay are much lower than in the peak of the VHS/DVD era, so you need to be performing on a regular basis (and usually topping up your income with things like OnlyFans and convention appearances) to make a decent living.

I know the industry well enough to know that the stereotypical wide-eyed teen starlet isn't desperate for cash - they're desperate for attention, for validation, to make a name for themselves. Very few of them last more than a few months or make more than a couple of grand. Porn isn't easy money and sustaining a career is skilled work.

>>461000

That's the point though m8, porn producers aren't looking to provide a stable and safe income for people, but they are always looking to get some easy, cheap fresh meat, and lots of people get taken in by that kind of predatory recruiting. Sort of like otherlad compared it to army recruiting, or you could even say to soul-draining call centres who make it sound like they'll give you the world on the plate throughout the interviewing stages only to have you realise you got conned within your first week on the job.

I don't disagree with your argument, maybe it is more attention and fame than money that draws them in in the first place; but either way it's predatory. To me it just seems you are looking at it the wrong way around, really. I know the music business a lot more intimately than most and I would make similar arguments about that whole world; but beyond the philosophical aspect of why we see sex as some kind of exception to the usual norms, I think it's obvious why the same kind of thing happening in porn is a bit more viscerally unethical.

>>460999

>Ask yourself how you would feel about dating a porn actress and knowing she had spent her younger years taking 30 dicks a week and fucking for a living?

I'd have no problem with it, largely because I've done plenty of stuff myself that most people would consider perverse or degrading or whatever. People in the porn industry tend to pursue relationships with other people in the industry, partly because there's a level of mutual understanding but also because meeting people at work is just a normal way of finding a partner. There are huge overlaps between recreational kink/BDSM/swinging scenes and the porn industry; if you spend your weekends going dogging or you have a sex dungeon in your spare room, you probably aren't going to have much of an issue with the fact that someone has sex on camera for money.

TBH I think you're projecting your own prudishness onto other people.

>>461002

>prudishness

I knew it'd boil down to that kind of ad hom eventually, but no, I'm every bit the sexual deviant as the rest of you three. My principles on this matter are very much driven by my love for sex, not an aversion to it.

Fundamentally, I guess it's reducing sex to a cheap commodity that I don't like. For many people I suppose that's all it is, ever has been, and ever will be, but I think that's a little sad.

>>461001

There are undoubtedly predatory elements within the industry, but that could be said of most industries. The key factor that people are overlooking is that there just isn't any easy money to be made in the post-Pornhub industry. Back in the late 90s you could make decent money if you were just a perv with a camcorder, but these days you have to be able to compete with a near-infinite supply of free porn. It's an incredibly competitive industry, particularly for producers, who are squeezed between the difficulties of getting customers to pay and the difficulties of getting performers to work with you rather than doing it themselves on OnlyFans or Manyvids. Loads of producers left the industry in the great cull of the late 00s, because their product just wasn't good enough. Predatory recruiting generally isn't a good part of a sustainable business model these days, because it has an obvious impact on quality.

The other factor that might be overlooked is the constant threat of losing your payment processor. The credit card companies don't like the porn industry and really don't like being associated with a #metoo type of scandal. They're basically judge, jury and executioner, because without them you don't have a business. Everyone I know in the industry is utterly paranoid about doing everything above board, because the merest sniff of impropriety can mean that you're either unable to accept payments altogether, or you're forced to pay scandalously high transaction fees to shady offshore processors.

>>461004

>There are undoubtedly predatory elements within the industry, but that could be said of most industries.

And to be clear, my argument since the start is that I object to it in all of those industries too, I am not singling out porn. My position is that amateur porn is absolutely fine and people can knock themselves out, but the entire business aspect is the problem, like with any other art form or leisure activity. The money only ever corrupts.

AI will put loads of porn studios out of business, just like it will put Twitter hentai and furry porn artists out of a job, but it is an overall ethical victory and net benefit to the world, allowing human artists to focus on real, meaningful art instead of whoring themselves out to mamon. In the neoliberal hellscape we are all prostitutes.

>>461005
>allowing human artists to focus on real, meaningful art instead of whoring themselves out to mamon.
Cutting off their income from drawing furry sploshing isn't going to put food on their tables while they accomplish this real, meaningful art you refer to.

>>461006

They'll survive.

>>461007
Some won't. Not many, but some who depend on it for food or healthcare, they will die as a result. The majority will have to get other jobs to survive, giving them less time to hone their skills, reducing overall human skill at it in general. It's a step away from, and certainly not towards, whatever mythical artistic rvtvrn tv trvditivn you're imagining.

>>461008

There are a whole host of social changes that I would anticipate happening as a result of the impact this kind of technology will have. It's going to be a great upheaval, and it will no doubt be traumatic and painful for many in the short and medium term, but I can't see any other realistic outcome than a general expansion of the social safety net and welfare state in western, post-industrial countries. The bourgies won't like it, but they'll reluctantly give in to it, because otherwise the mass lay offs of obsolete workers will impact their business; and most importantly, for perhaps the first time in history, it will be middle class white collar people being chucked on the scrap heap too. Remember what we saw in covid when people who live in Place-Upon-River villages realised just how little the dole gives you, and were outraged?

Obviously we are getting miles upon miles away from the original subject matter here, but you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs, and I think porn artists who never learned to draw hands properly because their audiences only wanted to see highly detailed dog dick will have a better world to live in, in the long run.

Or at least. They can still use their time to draw highly detailed dog dicks if they really want to. But the important bit is they won't have to make it belong to a hermaphrodite Krystal from Starfox because it's what the Patreon subscribers want; they'll be able to do it on Roxanne from Goof Troop like they always wanted to but there was no demand.

>>461005
>AI will put loads of porn studios out of business, just like it will put Twitter hentai and furry porn artists out of a job
I wonder if this is why we've seeing a rise in online communities over the years. It's no longer the product but the personality and interaction with the creator.

>>461019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-66123122

A friend has offered me a paid holiday in Turkey to acompany them on a medical trip. A week in a hotel, possibly arftercare for their treatment. I don't really want to go but feel quite guilty - I don't know if it's a genuine offer or a safety thing.

What's Turkey like? Is it safe for women to travel alone, there?

>>461022

>Is it safe for women to travel alone, there?

I can't give an objective answer but if I was a bird I definitely wouldn't want to if I could help it. I remember my mate's family going on holiday there when we were teenagers, and loads of bar waiters adding his 14-15-16ish year old sisters onto MSN and what have you for what were fairly obviously unsavoury reasons. They were too young and naive to realise at the time of course, but they sussed it pretty quick.

I'd take a free holiday if I were you anyway, what's wrong with you?

>>461022
>What's Turkey like? Is it safe for women to travel alone, there?

If she's a woman, she's fucked. If she's a blonde woman, she's absolutely fucked.

>>461022
Lecherous nature of the blokes aside she might actually need you in case something goes wrong with the treatment. I'd feel wrong to not pay my own way to be honest if she's a mate.

>>461024

>If she's a blonde woman, she's absolutely fucked.

That's not just Turkey. One of my exes was a blonde, and one time she went on a summer holiday to Italy with her best friend, also a blonde. The two lasses couldn't walk down the beach promenade for five minutes without being approached by random Italian younglads left and right, some of them making pretty overt advances.

They eventually met two Brit couples of the same age and spent most of the rest of their time there together with them, which was apparently a real relief, because those Italians will not approach women if there's even one lad in the group.

Italian attitudes to Women are probably not as dire in Italy as they are in Turkey. Western women, no less. But you won't have an easy time.

>Lecherous blokes
>If she's a woman, she's fucked
>those Italians will not approach women if there's even one lad in the group

This is exactly my concern. Most of the time there will be in the hotel but I still feel guilty that I can't be arsed to renew my passport in time, the consequence being a perceived danger of rape or kidnapping.

I've spoken with the person now, turns out the trip is entirely inclusive, including travel to and from the airport and surgery. Fears assuaged.

>>461030
Just pay the extra and do the passport thing in person. You get an appointment and it's all over in 30 minutes.

>>460747
This has now spiraled out of control where I am filled with self loathing over having agreed to some primitive ritual I find immoral and my autistic insistence of never breaking my promises that it's basically nuked our 8yr relationship