What are these doctors doing, getting involved like this? If she is physically able to top herself and wishes to do so, shouldn't she just be able to sign some kind of do-not-resuscitate form and then go and try it herself? This story is definitely a tough one, because I support her freedom to make her own choices, and I don't know what she's going through, but at the same time, these feelings always pass and society should do all it can to dissuade people from forgetting that. If you physically can't kill yourself, that's one thing, but if I carefully avoid every single moral judgement and thoughts about whether or not I would like her if I knew her, I'm still left with the core of my argument: nothing appears to be stopping her from doing it herself.

Yeah people shouldn't die, but it's not like she wouldn't just throw herself off a building otherwise. Assisted dying at least adds in requirements to avoid rash decisions and the intervention of medical professionals.

That's the way I see it anyway. I'm not going to argue the decision as I'm not a medical professional nor her, terms like depression and BPD can entail a huge range of intensity.

>She will leave behind her boyfriend, 40, and their two cats.

What do you reckon their last shag will be like?

I'm not sure I support this either, but nor can I formulate a proper argument against it. As to your point that she should just DIY the whole affair, the concern there is obviously what if you cock it up? If you want to be dead, basically the worst thing possible is to end up in a state where you no longer have to ability to make yourself with the being not so alive no mores.

I do think she's short-chaging humanity by not producing derranged screeds and/or pieces of art, but in reality she doesn't owe humanity shit.

>>463540
If she's shagging cats then maybe she deserves to die, the sicko.

If it's true that most people who survive a suicide attempt regret that they made the attempt, a claim I've come across a few times, then it really does seem objectively morally wrong for suicide over emotional issues to be administered officially. I wonder, does the person or organisation administering it make quite a big effort to dissuade the patient, are they at all obliged to?

>>463548
I literally had a gun to my head. The stark reality of death, it focusses one. But that takes nothing away from folks who are worse off in some way. Trite as it may be, most of them need a physical hug.

I do obviously have compassion for people who are suicidal and I don't want to derail a potentially good discussion about the ethics of euthanasia, but a news story like this sets off alarm bells for my cynicism.

The main one being my feeling that this is being reported in the UK and elsewhere because she's a pretty young woman and not really because she's otherwise physically healthy and asked for medical assistance. I wonder whether this story would reach any media if she looked like the "typical" person that commits suicide in the Netherlands, who are overwhelmingly older (50 - 59 years) and male: https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2022/17/1-859-suicide-deaths-in-2021-36-more-than-in-2020

Another note is that medically assisted suicide for psychiatric conditions has been a rare but available option in the Netherlands for decades. This woman is not the first to receive it.

That aside, I do think psychological problems can be as debilitating as physical disability, but the doubt is in the diagnosis. We are far more adept and precise in spotting physical ailments, whereas psychiatry/psychology are basically in their infancy. There is no concrete way of determining whether this woman has been failed by incorrectly administered treatment, whether her depression is partially or entirely circumstantial, or whether her depression really is causing "unbearable suffering with no prospect of improvement".

These doubts are reflected by Dutch psychiatrists themselves, with only 65% thinking they can determine whether a patient with a psychiatric disorder is capable of making a competent request to be euthanised, 12% thinking not, and 23% having doubts: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9251055/

For that reason I don't think I can support euthanasia except in circumstances where the evidence is overwhelming that a painful death is very probable in a short period of time, as with cancer.

She has an untreatable condition that she can't bear any longer. She has presumably gone through all the assessments that the state requires to be assisted to die. She has had plenty of time to think about her decision and change her mind. I don't see the issue?

>>463559
The issue is whether the doctor claiming there is nothing more to to done really warrants euthanasia.

>>463554
I heard Rosa Parks was actually a poster girl for another, crass lower class black woman who initially refused to give up their seat on the bus.
Thing is, any publicity has to be palitable. Few people care how many trolls are dying of lung-fungus, they just want them out from under the bridge.

>A physically-healthy Dutch woman has died by euthanasia shortly after turning 29 because she didn't want to live with depression and anxiety.

>Zoraya ter Beek, who also suffered from trauma and borderline personality disorder, decided that she wanted to die after struggling with mental health issues for over a decade, while claiming that no treatment had helped her.

>She died at 1:25pm local time on May 22 - 20 days after her birthday - with the help of the Euthanasia Expertise Center, a blog post shared by a friend said.

I should have been the one to fill her dark soul with light.

>>463569
That sounds like fucking horse shit.

>>464330

It's basically true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott#E._D._Nixon

>>464332

It's not remotely true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott#E._D._Nixon

>>464336

"Some action against segregation had been in the works for some time before Parks' arrest, under the leadership of E. D. Nixon, president of the local NAACP chapter and a member of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters. Nixon intended that her arrest be a test case to allow Montgomery's black citizens to challenge segregation on the city's public buses. With this goal, community leaders had been waiting for the right person to be arrested, a person who would anger the black community into action, who would agree to test the segregation laws in court, and who, most importantly, was "above reproach". When Colvin was arrested in March 1955, Nixon thought he had found the perfect person, but the teenager turned out to be pregnant. Nixon later explained, "I had to be sure that I had somebody I could win with." Parks was a good candidate because of her employment and marital status, along with her good standing in the community."

>>464340

So not at all the same thing.

>>464341

Someone did the same thing that Rosa Parks did months before, but a deliberate decision was made to choose Parks as the cause célèbre, because she was more respectable. I think that's pretty much what >>463569 said, no?

>>464342

Having a list of candidates, one of whom was notable for being almost perfect save for being pregnant, dismissed in favour of one who wasn't, isn't the same as being "the poster girl for a crass, lower class woman". That's some heavily loaded and misleading language.

>>464343

She was 15 and unmarried, which very much counted as crass and lower class in the 1950s.

>>464347

I can follow how, if you're desperate to crowbar racist stereotypes into the conversation, someone could argue that being a pregnant teenager is crass, but that doesn't explain how the winning candidate for a position is the poster child for one of the runners up, specifically.

>>464360
>poster child for one of the runners up
Posterchild for the campaign. I was talking out of my arse when I posted the initial message.

>>464361
That's more accurate then.

>>463536
>She has depression, autism, and borderline personality disorder. I don't know how unbearable her life is
Not nearly as unbearable as her boyfriend's...

>>467071
He's had five months of peace and quiet by now...