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>> No. 4858 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 6:46 pm
4858 Icke on Corona, and everything else
https://www.bitchute.com/video/H4W7FwBy0Ukh/

If you can manage through his insufferable personality, David Ickes recently censored YT interview makes for somewhat interesting viewing. Whether a conspiracy or not, he shares information that help connect dots and develop concepts on how aspects of the world might work.. to begin with. As always with Icke there's a lot of chaff to deal with, and the longer you watch the more diffcult it becomes to continue. If little else his character offers an interesting study of schizophrenic messiah complexes or sumink.

Briefly; David Icke seems to be saying that regular expected deaths are being relabeled as covid19, and that the tests are so broad they're finding 'corona like symptoms' where there may be none. These concerns have, apparently, been raised by industry insiders. Ultimately the virus does not exist as it'd being reported and the illnesses are an effect of the increasing 5g network. He goes on a little as to why the 5g network is being errected, but focuses on the scandalous organisations and individuals involved.
He talks vaguely about nanotec, biochips, and 'what's to come' with regard to lockdown normalisation. Beyond this he just talks about acknowledged concepts in the conspiracy communities and loosely ties them to the current pandemic and a future of increased govermental control.

Perhaps he's on to something, but his seeming inability to to admit "i do not know" hinders his arguement immeasurably. Just look at him squirm and shake his shoulders as if to shrug off the burden of proof. Cassetteboy or other sampler could have as field day with this video - i would if i knew how. Getting through only the first half of this video is doing my fucking head in. David Icke; the immidiate problem, first and forrmost, is your attitude. Jesus christ his personality is enough to shut down any reasonable persons thought.
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>> No. 4859 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 6:50 pm
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If it is conspiracy, is it necessarily evil? What if the expansion of connectivity that 5g offers will bring rise to a new age of human conciousness - well worth the potential health risks?
Why would they need to fool everyone into a better age? Perhaps the current age is controled by another faction.
And to be honest if the transhumanists(i assume) are really the ones vying for control, what does it matter? Maybe it's bad to speak of moral reletivity but whats the actual difference if we develop a faction A B or C planet, other than personal preference?
Is it not an expression of the collective human psyche that these things would be allowable?

Or does all that follow the fallacious line of thought 'to make people better'? Maybe i can only say these things because i've been able to live comfortably, effort free, in the first world.

Is there something wrong with me to think like this?
>> No. 4860 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:00 pm
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>>4858 Perhaps he's on to something
I thought I'd give it a try. Sweet suffering fuck, does he ramble.
Still, he clearly knows what sells, and doesn't appear to be constrained by building any kind of logical case with evidence. Even half-arsed evidence would be nice, but I guess that's too easy to disprove given about 4 minutes, and that's not the game he's in.
Given that approach, I can see how you could go down a rabbit hole of self referencing conspiracy loons .
Reckon he believes all this? Just entertainment, like psychics and magicians?
Anyway, fuck him and his ramblings, it's unwatchable toss.
>> No. 4861 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:15 pm
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When the likes of the BBC report on the mast torchings should they be making it clear they're conspiracy theories? If you only read the headline it makes it seem like there's legitimate concerns.
>> No. 4862 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:15 pm
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Has Icke ever been wrong?
>> No. 4863 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:37 pm
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>>4858
How does explain the virus reaching and infecting multiple regions that have no 5g infrastructure?

He's definitely on something.
>> No. 4864 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:40 pm
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>>4862
Not in his own mind - he doesn't have a shred of doubt about the truthfulness of his own position; it belies his mental fragility.
>> No. 4865 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 7:53 pm
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There are significant serious concerns regarding the use of 5G to conduct totalitarian surveillance of the population, but this is just the kind of stuff Snowden was speaking about with higher bandwidth.

The real conspiracy concerns here relate to the deal with Huawei, and what that means for global politics. Why is the UK government effectively allowing the Chinese government to backdoor their entire telecommunications infrastructure? Likely large amounts of money has been given to senior politicians, but also it's highly probable that there is already total surveillance of UK citizens by the Chinese government already. Yanks put backdoors in the software, Joong guo ren put backdoors in the hardware.

The anti-5G stuff being pedaled and promoted online is likely a Russian sponsored disinformation psyop to spread distrust of the platform as Russia currently doesn't have a 5G play and this will set them back technologically. [It would be hard to interfere with media to achieve political ends in foreign countries if you were still stuck with a 56K dialup connection.]

David Icke is either a Swiftian satirical genius, or controlled opposition to get the masses to rally around a figure that is really easy to discredit (when he starts ranting about transdimensional reptilians), or is just a bit mental.

Some of the stuff he talks about is real, but it comes packaged with so much utter shite that you are actively becoming dumber when you listen to him.
>> No. 4866 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 8:02 pm
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>>4865

>There are significant serious concerns regarding the use of 5G to conduct totalitarian surveillance of the population

What makes 5G the concern over any other sort of radio based surveillance? What makes it so much more threatening than 4G?
>> No. 4867 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 8:09 pm
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>>4866

Surveillance of 5G is identical to surveillance of any other telecom, the only difference is quantitative. Most people are kind of unaware of the extent to which they are being surveilled.

Mostly due to the good work of GCHQlad.
>> No. 4870 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 8:20 pm
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>>4865

>Why is the UK government effectively allowing the Chinese government to backdoor their entire telecommunications infrastructure?

American equipment is definitely backdoored. Chinese equipment might be backdoored. Choose your poison.

>>4866

It doesn't. Everything is already being monitored at the backbone level - you don't tap individual phones, you stick an optical splitter in the network operator's data centres and hoover up everything. The problem for surveillance agencies isn't getting the data, but finding the information within it. The quantities of data they're dealing with are so vast that they demand entirely new approaches to analyse effectively.

If you're concerned about privacy, the main battleground right now is over end-to-end encryption, which makes life very difficult for intelligence agencies and totally stymies a lot of bulk collection strategies. The intelligence agencies have spent an awful lot of time and effort to try and undermine encryption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel
>> No. 4871 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 8:25 pm
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He's an insane lying bastard, who cares.
>> No. 4872 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 8:57 pm
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>>4871
Is it lying, when you're insane?

>>4866
5g isn't profoundly different from 4g - it allows both better coverage at lower speeds, and faster speeds over small areas.
There's a theory that almost everything will use 5g, rather than a hodgepodge of different radio standards, so everything will be eavesdroppable, where now you have to actually drive out to places to eavesdrop on truly local stuff. Think garage openers - at the moment, that's a self contained transmitter and receiver that you own, but by the magic of 5g, your plipper either becomes your phone, or it becomes a low bandwidth 5g widget, and the 'open my garage' command goes through the 5g network and can be snooped. If you're the worrying kind, you might worry that the conspirators can now see you open your garage door, or can open it themselves. This is not an unreasonable worry. Scale it up far enough, and 5g eats babies, despite the radio waves doing you no harm.
>> No. 4873 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 9:04 pm
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>>4872
Because current garage door remotes have a good security reputation, eh?
>> No. 4874 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 9:06 pm
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>>4873

At least at present you can't monitor when I'm leaving the house via them.
>> No. 4875 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 9:12 pm
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>>4874
No need. Your phone facilitates that.
>> No. 4876 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 9:13 pm
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>>4875

But my phone isn't on 5G
>> No. 4877 Anonymous
9th April 2020
Thursday 10:08 pm
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>>4876

You've got nothing to worry about then mate.
>> No. 4878 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 12:05 pm
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>>4865
>Some of the stuff he talks about is real, but it comes packaged with so much utter shite that you are actively becoming dumber when you listen to him.

I feel this is a problem of conspiracy theories at large, a genuine investigation and theorising about post-War American foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East leading to the 9th of November somehow becomes inextricably linked to jet fuel not being able to melt steel beams and cruise missiles. Actual bona fide grievances people may have somehow must be couched in reams of bullshit for a conspiracy theory to take hold. This is where our pattern-spotting and sense of finding causality either falls apart or is a masterstroke in getting a few issues that matter into public consciousness, provided you can see what is transparently utter nonsense. I can't really speak for those who buy a conspiracy theory, including all of the clearly mad aspects that are tacked on, hook, line and sinker.

Why do concerns about the Chinese (or possibly American) government having unmitigated access to any potential digital infrastructure upgrade become some discarded Twilight Zone episode plot with killer nanoweapons? It's truly a leap of faith I cannot make.
>> No. 4879 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 12:12 pm
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>>4878

Quite possibly a deliberate attempt (at some level, anyway) to stop people from objecting to 5G for genuine reasons by creating a bunch of nutcase theories that they'll be associated with.
>> No. 4880 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 12:31 pm
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>>4879
David Icke is the deep state!
>> No. 4883 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 2:18 pm
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>>4878

If I had my tinfoil hat on (any time within 24-48 hours of having smoked a joint) I would say that the mainstream conspiracy "market", for lack of a better word, is part of an intentional controlled opposition strategy by those the conspiracies threaten. It mixes in very sound, believable, even sometimes straight up factually true historical wrongdoings with crackpot nonsense that cleverly tricks your average person into dismissing the lot of it.

It's interesting if you look at something like that film Zeitgeist, that was doing the rounds on the internet a few years ago. Around the time of all the occupy stuff, it was probably one of those things that "woke up" a large part of a generation, like the hippy acid culture did for our parents. If you look at that film, a lot of it is fairly sensible and sound- The premise is that the international monetary system is a rigged game, maintained to keep ordinary people "enslaved" whilst thinking we're free. Which is hard to really disagree with if you have a certain outlook. But it has to reach this point by starting off going through historical Christ analogues and all the bizarre illuminati shit- When you reach the end of the film, and think about what it was actually trying to say, you'll realise that they basically made all the same points Karl Marx and the early socialists did about a hundred years earlier. A lot of the NWO/illuminati type stuff sounds less like a conspiracy theory if you interpret it as smiply rich people acting in their own class interest.

The average person needs the pill to be sugar coated. They need easing into it. But somewhere along the line it's all got muddled up with chemtrails and water fluoridation, and outlets like Fox News, Russia Today or whoever are all too happy to stoke the fire. Noam Chomsky has probably said something about this subject so just pretend I put a quote from him here.

I like Adam Curtis' films for this reason- They skirt on the edges of conspiracy theorist material, but show it in a much more grounded way. And then you have overt nutters like Alex Jones- He spouts some utter nonsense, but like the proverbial broken clock he's right twice a day. He called it with the Bernie Sanders rape accusations, for example. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's a lot more canny than people give him credit for, and he's been deliberately using his loony shtick to slip things under the radar.

And Epstein didn't kill himself.
>> No. 4884 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 2:51 pm
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>>4883
One of my flatmates at uni was massively into the Zeitgeist films and recommended I watch them with her on account of me having strong socialist tendencies. I have to say I that for me liking the explanation of how the current structures of international finance have a lot to answer for regarding global inequality, I can safely say my flatmate was seriously more into talking seriously about the loony tunes quasi-religious rubbish they threw in there. I don't think she got the real world bits about global finance/trade.
Over the year I had of living with her, she came out talking about how great that sungazing thing was, where people bullshit about getting all their nutrition from staring at the Sun for a few minutes a day and also that ill, malnourished plants somehow get better if you surround them with pictures of healthy plants which she reckoned would be a superb cancer treatment.

Is it just some of us are prone to taking the escapism of fantasy and actually living with it as a core belief? That lass was a perfectly nice person and not horrible to or about anybody, just it had to be coupled with believing in rubbish. She certainly wouldn't have thought herself part of a controlled opposition, even though she believed the wackier parts of the film more than the grounded bits. It's not like I'm advocating taking the Penn/Teller "Bullshit!" school of pointing, laughing and shouting at people for believing in something different, but it seems pretty difficult to argue someone out of a very fringe belief.

Sage, because I still can't get my head around people being so receptive to things that are obviously wrong.
>> No. 4885 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 3:11 pm
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Icke looks like he's morphing into a cross between Harold and Lou.
>> No. 4886 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 4:31 pm
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Nazis live on the dark side of the Moon and Elvis didn't die. Can we bring back the old conspiracy theories, these new ones are boring.
>> No. 4887 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 5:38 pm
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>>4886
Paedo Aussie bishop George Pell was acquitted recently. That sort of thing?
>> No. 4888 Anonymous
10th April 2020
Friday 7:22 pm
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>>4887
Ah, the good old-fashioned Church of the Noncification.
>> No. 4889 Anonymous
11th April 2020
Saturday 9:27 am
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Has 5g been sufficiently tainted by this drivel that it's going to struggle? What's it going to be renamed to?
>> No. 4890 Anonymous
11th April 2020
Saturday 10:11 am
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>>4889
Three Tommy Robinson. Significant crossover between his fans and those sharing the conspiracy theory.
>> No. 4891 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 3:44 pm
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What bothers me about conspiracy theorists is that their assumption of a worldwide conspiracy is often limited in vision to the happenings within their own country - as if America of the UK is representative of the world.

I's either very specific information stretched out into vague prophecies for the future, or vague information squashed into a very specific future. I'm sure there's a more retorical way of saying this but you get the idea.

Then on the other hand specific information detailing a specific future is the kind of thing people disapear for investigating. So what're we to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> No. 4892 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 4:56 pm
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>>4891
Isolation means that there's little better to do with my time, now, than get into arguments on Facebook.

There was one guy going on about all the 5G bollocks, but was completely unable to articulate anything further than "they" (despite my repeated asking who "they" are), and that 5G is projecting "huge amounts of radiation". I could get behind this a bit more if someone could give me some details.
>> No. 4893 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 5:26 pm
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>>4892
'They' are fear personified.
>> No. 4894 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 5:38 pm
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>>4892 Better not worry about the hundred of kW we're all bathed in, of DTV and DAB broadcasts, then. Or the megawatts we used to pour into analogue TV transmissions.
Seriously, these are shit conspiracies. Fuckwits riding on the farthest outriggers of unrelated, but real, concerns. Fuck'em.
>> No. 4895 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 6:15 pm
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>>4892

He means "The Jews" but doesn't want to say it anywhere other than 4chan.
>> No. 4896 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 6:43 pm
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>>4895
I know that, it's just interesting in their reluctance to say it, especially when far-right ideas are mainstream.
>> No. 4897 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 7:52 pm
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The thing is there were perfectly legitimate concerns about the health effects of 5G technology before the coronavirus came about. It's never been tested in mass-deployment, after all, and we know that there are verifiable health issues suffered by residents in close proximity to existing mobile network masts.

In the case of existing technology, nobody though about it before everyone started having nosebleeds and mystery headaches; and then when we did notice it nobody cared because it's only paupers that live in tower blocks where the masts are situated affected by it anyway. With all this nonsense, though, it's pretty safe to say all that will be buried even if there is a legitimate scientific case to be concerned.

One of my mates used to tell stories about ten years ago about his mental ex-girlfriend's dad, who wouldn't let them get broadband because of "wi-fi poisoning". I bet he's having a field day with all this stuff.
>> No. 4898 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 7:56 pm
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>>4897 we know that there are verifiable health issues suffered by residents in close proximity to existing mobile network masts.

Do we? Linky, if you're feeling kind.
>> No. 4899 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 8:21 pm
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>>4897

>The thing is there were perfectly legitimate concerns about the health effects of 5G technology

No there weren't.

>It's never been tested in mass-deployment

Most of 5G operates on existing 4G frequencies with very similar OFDM/QAM modulation. The new frequency bands used by 5G were previously in use by other services - TV broadcasting (at much higher power levels than 5G) for the low bands, weather radar for the high bands. There isn't anything particularly new about 5G beyond the marketing hype.

>we know that there are verifiable health issues suffered by residents in close proximity to existing mobile network masts

No we don't. Wireless radiation is listed by IARC in Group 2B as "possibly carcinogenic", but that's an incredibly broad group that includes things like aloe vera, sawdust, hip implants and several widely-used medicines. If we can't conclusively prove that something isn't carcinogenic, then it goes in Group 2B. Crucially, there's nothing special about 5G - if 5G causes negative health effects, then so does all wireless technology.

>it's only paupers that live in tower blocks where the masts are situated affected by it anyway

Mobile phone masts have a toroidal (doughnut-shaped) radiation pattern, which has a strong null directly above and below - the operators don't want to waste power by sending transmissions straight up into the sky or cause multipath interference by bouncing it off the ground. If mobile phone masts were harmful to health, then the safest place to be would be directly below a mast.
>> No. 4900 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 8:22 pm
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>>4894

Or the exawatts of EM energy coming from the sun.
>> No. 4901 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 8:47 pm
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>>4900

That can definitely kill you, though.
>> No. 4902 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 9:36 pm
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>>4899
>>4898

Well, I'll not claim to have a ton of evidence, but I watched a Panorama doc or something, and they were talking about it on Radio 4 once, so for me that's usually pretty much conclusive.

I wasn't trying to say it definitely gives you a brain tumour, but I was at least under the impression we don't yet know if there are negative health effects, or just other side effects in general, to prolonged exposure- Because nobody has been exposed to it for enough of a prolonged time to know. There was also something about it driving birds crazy?

Sort of like vaping, there are horror stories shrieking about how it's worse than smoking, and for the time being we've no reason to suspect it's dangerous in any specific ways, but the truth is we won't know for sure for another several years because it's too new.
>> No. 4903 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 10:05 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-QbsxfbxbY
>> No. 4904 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 10:11 pm
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>>4902

>the truth is we won't know for sure for another several years because it's too new.

Again, there's nothing inherently different in 5G than there has been in any other sort of non-ionising radiation we've been bathed in for decades. If twenty years of pervasive mobile phone signals and ten of wifi isn't enough, what is? How long do you think we have to be exposed to these signals to show symptoms?
>> No. 4905 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 10:12 pm
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>>4903

Isn't that the transformer box she has it pointed at?

Amazing.
>> No. 4906 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 10:15 pm
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>>4903 mmm, nearly 200uTesla - where a miliTesla is a weak magnet. Sort of fridge door level magnet, one of the floppy ones that barely sticks. So a fifth of a shitty fridge magnet. Probably from the power supply in the cabinet.
Illiterate credulous cunts.
And I'm not even going to rant about using an app on a phone that reads the compass. Much.
Actually, the comments on that youtube video do somewhat reassure me. That's got to be a first.
>> No. 4907 Anonymous
13th April 2020
Monday 11:07 pm
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>>4906

>Actually, the comments on that youtube video do somewhat reassure me. That's got to be a first.

You know that someone must be the dregs of humanity when they make YouTube commenters seem informed and reasonable.
>> No. 4908 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 1:56 am
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>>4904

People definitely seem to have become stupider in the last ten to twenty years. Coincidence? I think not.

Also I'm a vaper myself, which I should have probably included in my post. What I'm saying is I'm happy to go with the scientific basis that it's probably harmless, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if they discover fifteen years down the line it's been giving us all invisible super-cancer the entire time.

Like how they used to market shit like asbestos or thalidomide as perfectly safe. I mean, given the history of companies lying to us and selling us harmful things, you can see where these conspiracy nuts get their suspicions from.
>> No. 4909 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 5:46 am
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>>4908

>Like how they used to market shit like asbestos or thalidomide as perfectly safe. I mean, given the history of companies lying to us and selling us harmful things, you can see where these conspiracy nuts get their suspicions from.

I understand entirely and do not trust any company at all and if it was Huawei telling us that no, no, it's perfectly safe, honest, I'd be burning down towers too, but though my own research and understanding of science* it's rather obvious that it's absolutely safe.

*of course it's possible that all science is a lie and all research or experience with my own radio equipment is hobbled or misrepresentative in some way, but if that's the case, then we're being lied to on such a huge and broad scale that worrying about whether this particular use of technology is harmful would be a drop in the ocean, a bit like people worrying that the tubes plugging your brain into the matrix might cause cancer.
>> No. 4910 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 1:11 pm
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Read the top rated comments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8216889/Fat-Cunt-Eamonn-Holmes-5G-rant-sparks-419-Ofcom-complaints.html
>> No. 4911 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 2:22 pm
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>>4910

Christ, they've committed themselves now, so anyone correcting them will just be part of the big 5g state narrative.
>> No. 4912 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 2:39 pm
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People are horrifyingly susceptible to this sort of thing. At the end of Feburary I was in a car with a woman jealous yet? who told me "it says COVID-19 on the back of Dettol bottles" and sure enough I checked then and there on my phone and it referred only to a generic "coronavirus", but she'd already shared the post on Facebook and the damage was done.
>> No. 4913 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 3:06 pm
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>>4911
The reason you don't understand is because you haven't researched deeply enough.
>> No. 4914 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 3:47 pm
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>>4913
Don't, I can't even find it funny it just makes me die inside. I read an article that explained the mechanism of why 5g was dangerous and it basically opperated on buzzword bingo logic of I don't understand what these words mean so they must be scary.
>> No. 4915 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 3:52 pm
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I just dropped a heavy piece of equipment on my finger.
Fucking 5g.

Seriously, can we have a cleansing? Nobody would miss these cretins, would they?
>> No. 4916 Anonymous
14th April 2020
Tuesday 4:42 pm
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>The UK's mobile networks have reported a further 20 cases of phone masts being targeted in suspected arson attacks over the Easter weekend.

For fuck's sake.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52281315
>> No. 4917 Anonymous
15th April 2020
Wednesday 6:06 am
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>>4916
On the upside, these people are leaving their homes so hopefully the plague deals with them.
>> No. 4918 Anonymous
15th April 2020
Wednesday 9:09 am
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>>4889 Thinking further, Miasma would be a good name for it.

(Although it's also a good description for the fog of fuckwittery that Icke spews).
>> No. 4919 Anonymous
15th April 2020
Wednesday 9:31 am
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>>4889
I'm not sure 5G is a primary motivator of consumer behaviour anyway. The vast majority of people will migrate to it when they would have upgraded their handsets regardless and the only way they'll even be aware of it is if there's a 5G icon in their system tray. There are so many people that don't understand the difference between Wi-Fi and cellular data.

In my city 4G is plenty fast enough already at around 100 Mbps. In that light, it doesn't seem like 5G can be anything more more than an incremental change anyway.
>> No. 4920 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 12:08 am
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https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=PCTDESCRIPTION

This has began circularing as the apparent microchip patent. Check out the description page for some really interesting reading.

As far as i (may well mis-)understand it; the link essentially details a system within which a device records bodily activity. The data from this is used to process the transactions in a blockchain, which generates cyrptocurrency.

Just like now, you'd benefit from work - conceptually rather than necessarily physical (although all types of existance would produce 'work' by the parameters described in the patent). Just by existing your body could offer processing power.

We all know that the original concept for The Matrix was that the people are used as processing units, rather than batteries. This is literally (yes) the effect of the propositions in this patent.

This seems pretty fucking cool, but as above there are some very difficult problems to consider.

I'm concerned it'll be very easy for people to fall into a lifestyle tunnel.
Imagine the TV ads that your conciousness is cruching all day to pay for a meagre subsistance. The advertisers are going to develop techniques to optimise your bodily response to their material, to better squeeze processing power out of you. So they start to insert subliminals and hypnotic techniques into their work, to keep you hooked and generating those sweet stats. Ofcourse they're geting paid to do that, too, by a different value of their bodily activity.

The idea of bitcoin was, apparently, so great because it was a de-centralised system - noone had absolute control of it. But the proposed system in this patent is openly stated as centralised. I don't really know what that means, but i'm guessing the network could be shaped and affected in any which way the controllers desire. They'd have the encryption key at the very least.

Indeed, it seems like this might mean they would only pay people who 'behave themselves', but that'd be taking a giant step back when what we have already is a progress like no other we've known. We're on the doorstep of a cultural rebirth - with greater capacities for good and evil - it'd be stupid of anyone vying for power to turn back this progress in the name of blunt tyranny when so much more potential could be realised by looking ahead.

We're under a system of control now, so what difference does it make if the rein change hands? Still progress, right? Who knows, we might even get VR headsets that can read bodily processes and contributions to the almighty blockchain. Auras, yo!
>> No. 4921 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 12:26 am
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>>4920

Protip: when someone applies for a patent, they don't have to prove that their invention works, is vaguely plausible or is even compatible with the laws of physics, e.g.:

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/result.jsf?_vid=P22-K97OH4-10272
>> No. 4922 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 12:32 am
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>>4921
Huh, well don't i look like a dummy.
>> No. 4923 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 12:55 am
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>>4922

>i
>> No. 4924 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 1:18 am
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>>4923

Don't worry, the only reason he was posting that tosh is because he got it from the other place. He wasn't long for these lands in any case.
>> No. 4926 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 5:51 am
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>>4920
>the proposed system in this patent is openly stated as centralised. I don't really know what that means
Any time someone proposes a blockchain that's centralised, all they've got is an over-complicated database. It represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of a blockchain: the entire notion and purpose is completely dependent on the inviolability of its distributed, decentralised state.

The best excuse I ever heard for a blockchain being implemented in a centralised system was a fintech engineer who said (paraphrasing) "our old system ran on a DEC mainframe that we paid millions in the early 00's to emulate on Itanium rather than build again from scratch. This new blockchain is inefficient and unnecessary, but "blockchain" was the buzzword we needed to get the suits to pay up for a proper new system." I'd guess this is pretty common. If you've never worked in corporate IT, you probably don't realise just how decrepit a lot of live systems actually are. If they aren't broken, and it's cheaper to pay for patches than to uproot and move to something better, then that's what most companies will go for. Before you know it you've got a 20-year-old system that's woefully inefficient and incompatible with just about everything around it but is too expensive to replace. I've loaded Amiga emulators for finance databases, spent days forcing half-broken NT 4.0 software to run on Win7, and worked on a network of thousands of computers that were running on Novel Netware 4.something, over IPX, in the early 2010s, and were only transitioning away because Win7 literally couldn't support IPX - and they were only transitioning to Win7 because Microsoft were ending support for XP. It's real "path of least resistance" stuff.
>> No. 4927 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 8:47 am
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>>4926

Nothing really useful to add other than I experience this directly in the air travel industry. Most airlines are running on mainframes still, which isn't bad in itself, unless they don't bother to build an actual frontend for people who need to use these systems quickly and efficiently to ensure the safety and security of the entire fucking operation.

Should it take a six minute video to explain how to add a passenger to a flight? It absolutely should not, especially when you consider the fucking idiots you get working on check-in desks.

But GUIs cost money, so the cheaper the airline the worse it is. (actually some of the cheap airlines use decent frontend solutions these days, you can do a loadsheet for TUI all in a browser window, it's lovely)


>> No. 4928 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 8:53 am
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>>4927

Also, unrelated really, but in Aer Lingus' version of this, ASTRAL, if you have the user permissions to access a flight like this, you have permissions to access any flight on the system. Don't see how that could ever be an issue.
>> No. 4929 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 11:59 am
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>>4926
>Any time someone proposes a blockchain that's centralised, all they've got is an over-complicated database.
Albeit it one that still provides the mathematical guarantees of a blockchain. There are scenarios where that is useful, but yeah, most applications don't fit those and are using it pointlessly.
>> No. 4930 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 12:59 pm
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>>4929
>one that still provides the mathematical guarantees of a blockchain.
If it's centralised then there's no guarantee. That's the whole point of a blockchain. If someone has central control and can monkey around with it then you might as well just have a database with user restrictions, like IBM mainframes in the '60s.

I'll put it like this: if your blockchain isn't solving the byzantine generals, then it's just an over-engineered database.
>> No. 4931 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 1:34 pm
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>>4927

In fairness the GUIs companies usually end up getting to cover their wierd ancient hyperterminal based systems are invariably awful, and wherever I've worked that has both, I've always preferred to just memorise all the archaic codes or whatever to do it the old way. It's always faster and more reliable when you get the hang of it, and they always leave something out of the GUI to idiot proof it but it causes more problems than it solves, etc etc. The only trouble is you have to invest in training your Gemmas and your Sandras to be able to do it.

You know it really pisses me off how the world is more or less just run by whatever is the cheapest, easiest way to do anything. People wonder why everything is shit and they're always so surprised when a parcel they ordered is late, or a product they bought doesn't work exactly as advertised. Maybe I'm just cynical but it really should be obvious that, on a macro-social scale, you get what you pay for.
>> No. 4932 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 2:01 pm
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>>4926

>If you've never worked in corporate IT, you probably don't realise just how decrepit a lot of live systems actually are.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/software/cobol-programmers-answer-call-unemployment-benefits-systems
>> No. 4933 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 3:51 pm
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>>4930
>If it's centralised then there's no guarantee.
Maths doesn't work like that.

Any non-leaf block becomes immutable, and therefore you can't retroactively edit the contents of a previous block. If you wish to replace the contents of the chain, you need to truncate and fork it, with the consequence that none of the signatures on the new blocks will match the previous version of the chain. The chain is therefore tamper-evident (up to collisions). This has applications in things like establishing chain-of-custody.
>> No. 4934 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 5:02 pm
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>>4931

We end up having to learn to use fifteen different systems because of all the competing companies trying to get the lowest bid in. The most comprehensive GUIs are still complicated, and like you say, difficult for a certain type of employee to fathom. I think in certain fields you really, really need visual elements, from what I have seen everything presented in terminal plaintext format inspires complacency, and also makes it impossible for you to just figure out something on the spot, which happens quite often, and if you're clever you can just poke about the menus until you find something - not really possible with archaic, none intuitive commands even for nerds like me. There is no man page here.

An extreme example but the difference between reading "375.75 TOW" in green text and looking at an image like this one, can really be an important and compelling reason to spend the money. We also see things like loads of passengers not being charged extra when they should be, or even worse taking extra weight on board that is not accounted for, and I suspect it's because gate staff are too thick to know how to update the system properly.

Anyway that's enough blathering on about my dead fucking industry, carry on.
>> No. 4935 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 6:05 pm
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>>4934
The railway network currently suffers from everything being dependent on a system built in the mid 1970s. The system doesn't provide any real-time information, but if so much as a single wheel is moving anywhere on the network the information it does hold needs to be accessible. Over the decades, various things have been bolted onto it to provide additional functions but that original system under the hood comes up at some point on Boxing Day and has to stay up until Christmas Eve the following year.
>> No. 4936 Anonymous
20th April 2020
Monday 11:09 pm
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>>4933
>therefore you can't retroactively edit the contents of a previous block
Have you actually looked at how blockchains are being implemented by big corporations like Pfizer and Nestle, using Kitchain etc? Many of them proudly declare that the ledger is private and the user never gets to see their transaction on the net. They aren't just forking Bitcoin and calling it a day. Retroactively editing blocks is exactly the reason corporations centralise it in the first place - so they can "correct" previous entries in the chain. (It may take the form of a hard fork, depending on implementation, but that doesn't matter if you're in control of it in the first place. The maths won't "work" in the sense that the cryptographic chain is broken and replaced, but that is irrelevant.)
>> No. 4937 Anonymous
21st April 2020
Tuesday 11:25 am
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>>4936
>It may take the form of a hard fork, depending on implementation
Or, in other words, you can't retroactively edit the contents of a previous block without rebuilding the chain and changing all the signatures as a result. Which can be a useful feature in non-bumcoin applications.
>> No. 4938 Anonymous
21st April 2020
Tuesday 11:40 am
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>> No. 4939 Anonymous
21st April 2020
Tuesday 11:50 am
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>>4938
Neighbours has been going for ages.
>> No. 4940 Anonymous
21st April 2020
Tuesday 11:15 pm
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>>4937
>Or, in other words, you can't retroactively edit the contents of a previous block without rebuilding the chain and changing all the signatures as a result.
That's exactly what I said, yes.
>> No. 4941 Anonymous
22nd April 2020
Wednesday 1:31 pm
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>>4940
So ... why are you arguing exactly?
>> No. 4942 Anonymous
22nd April 2020
Wednesday 3:12 pm
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>>4941
I think lockdown is starting to make everyone extra cranky.
>> No. 4943 Anonymous
22nd April 2020
Wednesday 9:08 pm
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>>4942 Not me, I'm loving it.
WFH, quiet shops, spring in the air, fantastic weather (I love this sunny cool breezy stuff), everything running at 80% of normal speed, catching up on stuff rather than running flat out and still falling behind.
If it wasn't for the shit that other people are putting up with, and the shit we're lining up in the future, I could happily stay like this forever.
>> No. 4944 Anonymous
23rd April 2020
Thursday 10:49 am
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>>4943
Exactly. If it wasn't for the undercurrent of imminent death and total economic collapse I'd be having the time of my life. I'm trying not to let the negative aspects spoil my lockdown too much.
>> No. 4945 Anonymous
23rd April 2020
Thursday 10:50 am
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>>4943

Same. My mental and physical health is the best it has been in about a decade.
>> No. 4946 Anonymous
23rd April 2020
Thursday 10:51 am
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