I had an argument with the normie cunts on Reddit, maybe you can give me your opinion:
Many years ago I was living in a student house with some Chinese guys. They were extremely dirty, loud, and unrespectful, but I was forced to stay there for three months. A couple of times they woke me up at three in the morning by partying in the common area. Both times I asked them to not do that again, since I had to work the following morning, and they just ignored me.
The third time I just kicked open the kitchen door and barged in with a meat cleaver, screaming and threatening them to turn them into pork ribs. They all got scared and ran away, it was the first time in my life I saw a dozen of guys (some of them quite big) scared off by a single man. No physical courage at all, those people.
The day after, they became all respectful and polite. We laid out some rules (no partying after midnight in common area, unless on a weekend) and everything went smoothly.
The normie cunts on Reddit told me that in that situation I was the asshole and that I was wrong. When I asked how I should have handled the situation, they just downvoted and banned me. Cunts... How should I have handled it? The landlord did not give a damn about this sort of things.
That’s not the point, if I robbed you with a knife the fact I didn't actually stab you seem like a reason I should get off Scott free when it went to court? "but he gave me the wallet I didn't steal it from him, he chose to give it to me, so it is not a crime" sounds ridiculous right? Because it is.
The law doesn't see as much of a gap as you all seem to between people who only threaten to murder you and people who actually do it.
>Lad if I asked you nicely to fuck off and you didn't that doesn't remove guilt for me then stabbing you in the face even if you are french.
You dumb cunt, I asked them to stop inviting friends over and making noise at 3AM during a weekday. Does that make sense to you? Maybe you are a professional dolescum, so you have no idea what it means to be woken up at 3AM when you have to wake up at 6:30 to go to work.
Okay then Mr Moneybags use your enormous wealth from working to live on your own, instead of complaining students had the nerve to act like students in their own house.
Yes but they all seem to be quite happy with each other, and not threaterning to kill anyone, so I am going to take the position that OP is the problem and it is best OP moves out.
OP committed the very obvious crime of threatening to kill people with a deadly weapon
and everyone else is going "NTA your house your rules, those fucking foreigners only understand strength, it is fine everyone commits crimes every day mate".
Is this some sort of social experiment? Is someone trying to prove a point in conjunction with the female assault thread that people don't understand morality they only feel social pressure saying something is wrong or acceptable. The fuck is wrong with you all?
Let's pretend that you are neither trolling nor stoned. What should I have done in that situation? Polite requests were ignored, and the landlord did not gave a damn.
You dumb cunt, they would have either ignored me or laughed at me. They did not gave a shit, the only way to force them to give a shit was to employ a credible threat of violence. Have you ever interacted with an Asian in your life?
Honestly, I still had some doubts about you. Thanks for making everything clear. You are just a complete 'tard. It's not your fault, maybe there was too much inbreeding in your family, maybe it was fetal alcohol syndrome or problems during birth. I am sorry for you, I wish I could help.
>>30606 These last few posts seem a bit Rudgwick in their tone. They could at least throw a 'cretinous inchworm' in there, if just as a formality.
>>30605 You're trying very hard to be offensive, and it's not even very good. You'd benefit from brevity or specificity, this broad bollocks is completely impersonal and only serves to highlight that you're feeling hurt and are trying to hurt the other person back. Stick on topic you saddo.
The key detail is that he has avoided the point of 'you could have just moved out', because it holds a light badly on his justification that his back was to the wall so he had to do it. This is all ego defence to not admit fault.
Will you excuse me for a second...
>>30605 What are you going do about it mate? Threaten to reach through the monitor and chop me up with a meat cleaver too?
What kind of world do you live in where someone can just up sticks and move at a moment's notice, especially given the events of the past year? It really isn't as simple as "just move out" and you know it isn't. In fact the pressure of having to move home would only have added stress to the situation and made his outburst more understandable.
People will inevitably lose their rag if you push them too far. It will happen to everyone at some point in their life. I've witnessed the most peaceful man you'll ever meet throw a chair across the room because he'd just discovered his wife was having an affair. Nobody could call him an arsehole for that.
>>30611 Even in Scotland, where locked-in rental agreements are illegal, you still need to give 30 days' notice.
In England, you can only 'up sticks and leave' if you're prepared to swallow the cost of breaking the rental agreement and likely not getting your deposit back. If OPlad was a student, chances are he didn't just have another £4-800 deposit up his sleeve. Not to mention finding a student place mid-year isn't the easiest. Then you have to go through the process of finding somewhere to live, going through applications, etc, which is another few weeks.
Look I get it you would rather threatern to stab a chinaman than take responsibility for yourself. But don't act like moving house because of unforeseen reasons is an impossibility, it happens everyday.
Honestly we come back to my central point. Which is why was the Butcher of Britfa.gs in a house with students he didn't seem to like or know? It wasn't because he was in his first year of uni. Universities offer first years accommodation and they would have happily moved him. No the answer is probably that from his own shortcomings that he is deeply unlikable. Possibly because of his resorting to violence.
I don't want to read into it too much but OP says it was for 3 months. That isn't an ordinary contract, some other detail is omitted.
If he was a normal student this is an odd set of circumstances that don't come about in the normal flow of things, and if he was a fully formed adult it raises further questions about how he ended up in this situation.
>>30614 I don't want to stab anyone, and don't really have a lot of opinion on the situation -- if you attend Rudgwick Steam Show and air your problems there, I don't really know what you expected.
However:
> It wasn't because he was in his first year of uni. Universities offer first years accommodation and they would have happily moved him.
Not if you got in via clearing -- they don't guarantee accomodation then.
In my third year of uni, I ended up moving in with people I didn't know because I'd been on placement for a year and most of my friends were leaving.
I think there are plenty of ways this could have happened, if it did happen at all.
You are just grasping at straws to try to "prove" that my behaviour was BAAAD. There were some circumstances that kept me from moving out for at least three months, but they are completely unrelated to the matter at hand. How many times do I have to point out that waking someone up at 3 AM when he has to wake up at half past six for work is simply wrong? Can you understand this simple concept?
>>30616 I mean it wasn't great behaviour, but it got the job done, nobody got hurt, and that's really the important thing.
I'd love to know how the other lad would have dealt with this had he been so sleep deprived and marginalised in your home. I don't think he quite understands how badly it can fuck with your mental health, and how it can cause uncharacteristic behaviour.
Have you ever had any urge to brandish a cleaver at anyone before? Or since?
>No the answer is probably that from his own shortcomings that he is deeply unlikable. Possibly because of his resorting to violence.
What a claim.
You're incredibly unlikeable on the internet, but I can only assume you're not like that in real life. It would be eminently stupid of me to speculate on your likeability in real life simply as a result of your conduct on one thread on the internet. Very, very stupid to do that.
They could easily be omitting pertinent details, and yes we should probably press that if we really want to get the full picture. However there's no reason not to take someone at their word in this situation, unless you like arguing.
What a spectacular cunt-off this thread has devolved into.
OP, you should have just turned the electricity off, I assume at that point they would have been too drunk to try and turn it back on.
To be honest, they were as sober as monks, and I am pretty sure that they did not do drugs. Their idea of a party was: "Eat fried pork ribs, then cram ourselves together in a small room with our laptops and play loudly DotA while chain-smoking cigarettes". They were able to tolerate easily a level of overcrowding that would have driven everyone else crazy. They were also as noisy as Italian or Spanish, but way filthier. Weird guys, indeed.
>>30621 That was me, not OP. As far as I'm concerned they were being an arsehole, but that's not really the worst thing in the world and since they didn't hurt anyone, and apparently have neither before nor since brandished a cleaver at anyone.
Personally I just think it's a bit crap to conflate explanations with excuses. OP maybe shot himself in the foot with the title/format. He's an arsehole but I don't know how many people would *not* be an arsehole in that circumstance.
That and I empathise with OP's sleep deprivation. Not getting enough sleep can really fuck with people, especially if it's being taken from them. I've never brandished a cleaver but I have screamed at someone before. Don't know if you've ever experienced extended sleep deprivation, but it's on par with depression, only with lots more on top.
>>30622 I did this a couple of times. They never turned it back on because they were just dim or whatever. It worked. If it didn't, I think I would have taken the cleaver route as well.
Also, they never got drunk, and a "party" meant something complete different to them than what the word actually means.
this isn't a "I think it is bad" it is a, it is considered a clear and obvious violent crime. christ. If it was a bunch of girls instead of lads he had threatered with a weapon you would all be in the other thread talking about how OP is a psycho and it isn't normal male behaviour to be violent.
>>30627 That's bollocks, the gender has nothing to do with it. It *is* bad, the OP shot themselves in the foot with the title phrasing. But everyone has done bad things, we don't make them pariahs for it.
Everyone has a snapping point. I've backed up OP on a couple of occasions but still don't think what he did was 'good'. I just understand how a human can be pushed to a point.
If you're repeatedly ignored whilst being subjected to circumstances that constitute a popular form of torture in Guantanamo Bay, you will <b>not be acting rationally</b>. You clearly don't understand what it's like to deal with sustained, forced sleep deprivation, because it makes you mental.
What are you here for? To judge people? Because that's great, fine, you do you, but no-one cares. We've established it's bad, just what how does that help OP in coming to terms with his behaviour or understanding why it happened/why it was wrong?
>clear and obvious violent crime.
No-one pressed charges or sought any sort of retribution. This is hyperbole for the sake of backing up your judgement. If a violent crime culminates with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it? It's *potentially* violent, and *could have become* violent, but 'violent crime' is just you propping up your judgement with emotional wording.
"If I took a persons wallet at knife point with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it"
"If I threatered to chock a gilr unless she had sex with me and she agree then with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it"
"If I took a hotage and made demands with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it"
"If I I take protection from a shop keeper with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it"
"if I rob a bank with a fake gun with no-one being injured, either physically or mentally, then it's not bloody violent is it"
Yes it is and always has been a violent crime the law is quite clear on this.
Also how do you know these people weren't mentally injured? their housemate came at them with a meat cleaver they might have been too terified of what might happen to one of them if they came forward to the police and the police didn't act on it.
>We've established it's bad, just what how does that help OP in coming to terms with his behaviour or understanding why it happened/why it was wrong?
Have we though? There seems to be an awful lot of appoligists for him. "oh well you were sleepy mate can't help threaterening them" thats one step removed from I only beat my wife because she made me angry
>>30629 I get your succinct point there, my bad. I can't imagine myself in that situation because I'd never be enough of a bellend to ignore someone speaking up about sleep problems, which is also probably why I'm very ready to hear OP out as I have oddly strong feelings on sleep.
I was imagining that if I *was* in that situation, I'd probably not be fazed because I'd been knowingly driving someone towards a breaking point, so...yeah, IDK. I can't put myself in shoes that would never walk where I would.
If we can agree that OP was an arsehole, and could have caused mental trauma, can we agree that it's also understandable how he got to that point, due to the effects of sleep deprivation and how it can cause irrational and uncharacteristic behaviour? If this were the other place, I'd say "You're all arseholes" because OP went from like 5 to 100 and the bigger group pushed him into it despite repeated polite attempts to ask them to stop.
>>30631 Are you sure you're not mistaking empathy for apologism? I've never done what OP did, but with some worse flatmates and more persistent noise, I can see myself getting irrational enough to see that as a solution. But I've been one of the biggest "I understand"ers for OP and I still don't think he's not an arsehole, just that I understand why and if he doesn't do it again, then I'm not going to fault him for it.
>>30633 Mate, it's your 'apologist' here. You're not helping yourself. You either came on here for AITA, in which case YTA but so was everyone else, and I obviously think a lot of people would have been an arsehole in that situation. But can you stop being an arsehole now?
If you think you've got a genuine anger issue, let's talk about that. If you think you just freaked out and it's never happened before or since, then you got your judgement and you can go on with closure.
I'm not in the mood to try to figure out who's to blame for this thread going to shit, I suspect everyone. I'm pretty sure OP has his answer. Sort it out, stop behaving like this in /emo/ the lot of you.
