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|>>|| No. 24774
So my Three contract (24m One Plan at £33.50pm) is finally bloody ending and I'd rather not keep paying for this lacklustre Galaxy S4. It's caused me more bother than good.
Do any of you chaps have recommendations for a more modern handset, perhaps on contract at a lesser price? Stock Android is a bonus. Expandable memory is a must.
|>>|| No. 25985
As has been addressed previously, there are numerous examples of popular imported handsets from China having backdoors identified and exploited by researchers. It's not just "the Chinese" who have access to your information, it's anyone with the knowledge and incentive.
|>>|| No. 26768
I have a smartphone and I'd like to get something less easily spied on or hacked or likely to sell all my data to whoever. Is there anything smart that's relatively secure (I like being able to use maps and whatsapp but not a lot else) or alternatively do I need to "downgrade" and if so to what?
|>>|| No. 26769
Facebook owns WhatsApp now, the end to end encryption is utterly pointless on it now as they just take the data for 'targeted advertising' after it arrives.
There is nothing secure about it anymore.
|>>|| No. 26770
Iphones are probably the most secure computing devices available unless you do something manifestly stupid. Apple have put an immense amount of thought, care and engineering effort into their security. By comparison, Android is a scrapyard fire of awfulness.
CopperheadOS (a specially hardened Android distribution) used to be a reasonable second-best option, but they went tits up a few months ago. Blackberry are still in business and make Android devices with security bells and whistles, but I can't vouch for the actual security of their product.
|>>|| No. 26771
> Iphones are probably the most secure computing devices available unless you do something manifestly stupid. Apple have put an immense amount of thought, care and engineering effort into their security.
This is true, but the single platform makes them sitting ducks. All an alphabet agency needs to acquire is an iPhone X exploit and the software version, gpu, instruction set, and countless other things are already known. It's a fixed target.
On the other hand getting an exploit working across all versions of a simple fucking Samsung Galaxy - depending on the kernel version, the GPU, the CPU and a dozen other things is painful beyond all belief.
"Ok so the gpu based privilege escalation component works across all handheld models but the initial kernel entry component only works on 3.x and not 4.x kernels? Can you get me a list of which OEM Samsung models that effects? What do you mean it depends on the carrier and if they pushed updates or not?"
In a lab the iPhone is king of security, but in the field and from a logistics point of view I'd rather be hacking an iPhone than an unknown Android handset.
Sage for almost everything in this post.
|>>|| No. 26772
The going rate for an iOS 0day is $3m. It's not the sort of thing you squander on an indiscriminate attack or a low-value target. The single point of failure cuts both ways - an attacker gets the jackpot if they find an 0day, but Apple only have to defend a small surface area. They have substantial security resources (and a strong business incentive to differentiate themselves on security and privacy), giving them a superb track record when it comes to providing timely patches.
Android would have strength in diversity if manufacturers actually cared about security, but they clearly don't; Google and Samsung are the only manufacturers to provide timely security updates, with many second-tier manufacturers not bothering to ever patch their devices. Android is fundamentally Java-based, which is good for portability but terrible for security.
If a three-letter agency is out to get you personally, you're already fucked. For everyone else, you're not really worried about 0days but unpatched vulnerabilities.
|>>|| No. 26773
> The going rate for an iOS 0day is $3m.
I hate to be that guy but I'd like to see a citation to back that up. I worked with someone who gibbered happily about the $1million price tag vupen was throwing about a few years ago and I currently employ a chap who put together a full iOS exploit chain last year and I know for absolute certain that the company involved did not sell it for that kind of money.
Regardless, the smart cookies are the ones who are doing "hacking iPhones as a service" for 10-20 grand a pop. By the time any particular component in the chain is compromised I'm sure these companies have already grossed several dozen times their initial outlay in R&D.
> Android is fundamentally Java-based, which is good for portability but terrible for security.
Nonsense, don't allow yourself to conflate "JVM exposed via your web browser is insecure" with "software written in Java is inherently insecure". It's worse than comparing apples and oranges, it's more like comparing apples with a three course meal for two at a £100 / head restaurant.
|>>|| No. 26776
Think the original poster might care more about spying by marketers and nosey advertisers than alphabet agencies. In that case an iPhone isn't significantly better. Last time I checked a few *.ipa they were riddled with analytics crapware as well as their Android counterparts, if only to a tad lesser extent.
In this regard Android might be better but the amount of required effort depends on how much he wants to achieve. Flashing a custom ROM without gapps is one thing, not using 'well-known evils' is another. Using them (if you absolutely need to) but limiting your exposure - via things like Xposed or by fiddling with *.smali - is third.
A dumb phone limits your exposure to carrier network only if you wish to go that route. You probably wouldn't.
Interesting enough, WhatsApp's apk is relatively clean. But given its ownership by Facebook it probably need not be stuffed with third-party analytics.
|>>|| No. 26777
For getting rid of analytics, rooted Android is your best bet.
Simply use something like AdAway to block analytics and ads at system-level. I haven't seen an ad on any Android phone I've owned since like 2013.
|>>|| No. 26790
Are Xiaomis imported from China still the best bang for your pound?
|>>|| No. 26792
The latter there really looks good. My Nexus 6P is in a dire state, I'm thinking next paycheque I go for the Pocophone; unless there is something similar without the infernal fucking notch.
Even with a new battery to work around all the battery issues the 6P had, I still barely get 100 minutes of screen on time, and occasionally the phone will crash and decide to lose 40% charge in less than a minute.
I just wish removable batteries were still a thing, the most up to date phone I could get with one is an LG V20 which is basically identical, spec-wise, to the 6P. It does, however, have 12Ah batteries available on eBay. My old S4 with a 10Ah eBay battery was great, but the screen gets dangerously hot (with any battery), under moderate load the temperature of the glass gets to >60°c, my sister borrowed it without permission and then complained that she burnt her finger.
|>>|| No. 26793
If you prefer a bezel to a notch, you can turn the notch off in software. I don't find them a problem in practice.
Mercifully, notches are a temporary stop-gap, because Samsung's AMOLED division have figured out how to hide the selfie camera behind the screen. Vivo are already selling phones with an in-screen fingerprint sensor, which feels properly sci-fi. Within three years, all flagship and mid-range phones will have no notches or bezels.
It's amazing how old-fashioned the last generation of flagship phones look now. I wonder what's left to improve.
|>>|| No. 26794
Fair enough, it just seems like you can't exactly show much in the middle of the notch, like notifications.
I just hate buying a new phone when my old one doesn't have any serious damage; I don't know why I hang on to it though. I've replaced the battery twice and have the thing apart on a monthly basis to sort whatever problem it happens to have, but it seems wasteful to replace it, even though I know it will be much more convenient to have a phone which gets more than half a day's battery life. At over three years old it has outlasted most peoples' phones, but still, planned obsolescence (or just bad design) is shit.
|>>|| No. 26795
If my old Redmi 3 had an easily-replaceable battery, it would be the dog's.
It was an all-around decent phone and for my usage pattern its 4.1 Ah battery lasted for about a week.
|>>|| No. 26798
Not unreasonably, phone designers assume that a) most people want a fairly thin and light device and b) any phone will be obsolete within a few years due to better, newer models. You can buy massively rugged phones like the Cat S60, but they're inherently expensive due to the niche nature of the market. Fairphone make a phone that's designed to be repairable, but it's just not a good value proposition - at €529, you could buy three Xiaomi phones with similar specs and have change left over. Modular designs like Phonebloks and Project Ara went nowhere, because it's just not technically feasible to build a phone with the same level of upgradability as a desktop PC.
If you're carrying around a complex slab of electronics in your pocket all day, it's inevitable that wear-and-tear will take its toll. Everything just starts going a bit shit - the chassis goes a bit creaky, the screen gets scuffed and scratched, the battery and flash memory wears out, solder joints get fatigue cracks and tin pest. Most portable electronic devices eventually turn into old bangers, where nothing is definitively broken but everything is just a bit clapped out. Even if it was made to military standards and could reasonably last 10 years, most people would want an upgrade after a couple of years anyway.
Personally, it doesn't bother me much. A mid-range Xiaomi costs about £150 and is 90% as good as a £600+ flagship. If it only lasts you 18 months, that's less than £2 a week to own the most useful object in the history of humanity. You'd pay more than that for a copy of the Sunday Times, but I know which I'd rather have. The environmental impact of making a smartphone is roughly equivalent to using half a tank of petrol or six packets of butter, so I don't feel particularly bad about binning a phone just because it has become a bit long in the tooth.
|>>|| No. 26799
Likely just a result of my tight as fuck upbringing. Ah well, I might turn it into a PMP or strip it down and sell all the good parts.
Lads who have ordered from Gearbest, what are the customs charges like?
|>>|| No. 26800
>Lads who have ordered from Gearbest, what are the customs charges like?
The vast majority of the time, orders sent through standard mail will arrive with no charges. The sheer volume of low-value parcels coming in from China has totally overwhelmed HMRC and the big Chinese retailers are very adept at sneaking things through. Orders sent by courier will nearly always attract a customs charge, so I'd recommend using the default free shipping option unless you're in a desperate hurry.
If you do get stung, you'll pay an £8 handling fee plus 20% VAT (there's no duty on phones). Gearbest will under-state the value to a plausible degree, so expect to pay about £30 in total on a £150 phone.
|>>|| No. 26801
I ordered a keyring a while ago.
The description got cut off, and what should have been "leather bracelet keyring" got shortened to "leather bra"
|>>|| No. 26802
Alright. So £40 on a £230 phone? There are UK sellers on eBay selling Pocophones for £280-300, and without the one month shipping wait. Seems like there won't be much difference in price, I'll go for one from eBay and get it in a couple of days then.
|>>|| No. 26803
Most of the eBay sellers are a bit sketchy. Some of them aren't actually in the UK; others are selling smuggled phones out of a storage unit and will do a runner as soon as the VAT man comes knocking. You get a 12 month warranty if you buy from Gearbest or Geekbuying, but you can forget about it if you buy from some fly-by-night on eBay.
You usually don't pay VAT on phones from China and shipping usually takes less than two weeks, but it is a bit of a gamble on both counts.
The Pocophone F1 is £329 on the official Xiaomi store, with a full UK warranty and all your statutory rights. That might be worth considering if you want fast delivery and a bit more peace of mind.
|>>|| No. 26818
Fuck, that is a deal. I don't particularly have the cash, but might have to get that anyway. Don't think I'll get a better deal than that on a phone.
|>>|| No. 26820
Me and my m8 AmEx have pulled the trigger. I'll finally be free of the 6P.
It wouldn't allow me to send it to a locker or anything though, meaning that It'll be 3 weeks of attempted redeliveries before I actually get it.
|>>|| No. 26821
WHAT THE ABSOLUTE SHITTING FUCK? WHY CAN'T I UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER ON MY OWN DEVICE THAT I FUCKING OWN? FUCK.
|>>|| No. 26822
>WHY CAN'T I UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER ON MY OWN DEVICE THAT I FUCKING OWN?
The fact you know what a bootloader is and are still surprised that manufacturers lock them down is baffling to me.
|>>|| No. 26823
It's more the pissing wait. Why? What possible reason (other than data-mining) do they have for this bullshit?
Not to mention that any non-root adblocker I install simply just doesn't work, despite disabling Async DNS in Chrome.
I wouldn't even mind if they would just allow root access by default.
|>>|| No. 26824
Xiaomi know that a lot of their customers buy phones from unofficial distributors. Some of these distributors were installing dodgy ROMs filled with malware. That's bad for customers and bad for Xiaomi's reputation. Xiaomi countered that by locking the bootloader. The time delay and the requirement to register a Mi account is intended to prevent middlemen from unlocking devices in bulk and installing their shitty hacked ROMs. It's not ideal, but it's the best solution they could come up with.
|>>|| No. 26825
Fair enough, now I've got over my initial teary I've managed to get VPN adblocking working and the Vanced version of YouTube doesn't require root any more, so I'm more or less sorted for now.
I still, for some reason, live in the days of Xposed and CWM but it's getting a lot easier to do stuff without root and dodgy zip files these days.
|>>|| No. 26826
>Not to mention that any non-root adblocker I install simply just doesn't work, despite disabling Async DNS in Chrome.
I have the same issue. I installed Brave browser and all issues are fixed. It looks like chrome as well.
|>>|| No. 26827
I actually messed about with somebody's Iphone the other day for the first time in years.
They're absolutely abysmal, I genuinely struggle to see why they are still selling at the rate they are.
You can buy a Pixel 2 for like £500 now and that's not even the best deal there is, although it comes with an amazing camera and unlimited photo and video storage (until 2021), Google updates and is generally quite nice.
I'm honestly not sure what iPhone actually has going for it other than strong marketing and an old reputation, they're hardly revolutionary anymore, just solid and reliable and that's about it.
Anybody care to put me straight?
|>>|| No. 26828
>just solid and reliable
That's enough. Oh and the fact that I trust Apple more with my data than Google.
|>>|| No. 26829
From my experience, iPhones are less reliable than similarly-priced counterparts. Especially the batteries.
|>>|| No. 26831
We really are living in some shit boring dystopian future. Instead of injecting nanobots so I can surf the cybertubes to access the mainframe, I'm listing and systematically removing hidden ads packages from my phone. Fuck.
|>>|| No. 26835
The build quality is excellent, the cameras are good, but the Snapdragon 636 chipset is only about 40% faster than the 625 you get in a Xiaomi A2 Lite and legions of other budget phones. It's a worthy contender to the Moto One and the Honor 8X, although a lot depends on fluctuating prices. The Pocophone F1 is clearly better value if you don't mind Miui.
|>>|| No. 26858
> It pays homage to 1980s martial arts and police action films.
I was right, the camera/video editing job screams of 80s.
|>>|| No. 26909
For the first time in my life I've managed to break a phone; I somehow contrived to throw my trusty Moto G4 down the (unflushed) toilet. It's presently covered in rice, constantly restarting itself.
I thought I'd have been able to get a fair few more years out of it? What's a decent replacement? I'm out of the loop with this sort of thing.
|>>|| No. 26910
The fact it's still powering on is a good sign, though why you haven't taken the battery out is beyond me.
A decent replacement is the Moto G6.
|>>|| No. 26911
>though why you haven't taken the battery out is beyond me
It doesn't look like it's a battery that actually can be removed.
|>>|| No. 26913
I'm probably thinking of the G4 Play, which definitely can.
Never mind then.
|>>|| No. 26917
> I somehow contrived to throw my trusty Moto G4 down the (unflushed) toilet.
Luckily my toilets have always been flushed but I know the feeling of walking into your bathroom to have a nice shit while you flick through bollocks on your phone and as soon as you get within range shoooom the phone slips out of your hand at an unreasonable speed straight into the toilet bowl.
My record was doing this roughly two hours after having bought said phone.
|>>|| No. 26949
His subconscious decided that trolling him with tossing the phone down the loo was a bit over the board and made him eat some rice before.
|>>|| No. 26950
In my poo I have seen chunks of nut, sweetcorn, peas and seeds. It seems plausible to me that you could have solid rice in a Tues; it seems like one of those things your innards wouldn't break down fully.
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