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>> No. 25884 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 11:09 am
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I'm in the market for a laptop, but I'm not sure if I can get away with meeting all my criteria.

- It'll be purely for business, the most demanding thing it will be opening is numerous Chrome tabs.
- It needs to run Windows software, with MS Office.
- I want it to be lightweight and no bigger than an A4 pad.

Is there any chance of me getting this for around £200?

I've been seeing refurbished X series Thinkpads from as little as £100, but maybe this is dodgy?

Do you lads know of something better?
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>> No. 26980 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:40 pm
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>Czech Philharmonic
City of Prague Philharmonic. The Czech Phil is the concert orchestra, the Prague Phil is the industrial orchestra.

The Prague does more or less the equivalent of a full-time job, with around 250 sessions a year.
>> No. 26981 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:46 pm
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m8 I could record either though if I paid them
>> No. 26982 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:54 pm
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Do they take cheque?
>> No. 26983 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 3:08 pm
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How do you find your way within those thousands of samples?
>> No. 26984 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 3:31 pm
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Most sample libraries nowadays come with a nice powerful sample player UI, and lots of metadata so you can quickly find stuff and it's all nicely organised, like Kontakt here. The big players are very good at this, to the point where I could browse a category like "brass, alien, sci fi, fx" and find something specific to all of those.

Even without all that the standard practice for a sample pack is to put everything in very specific nested folders, so even looking at the raw files you could easily find your single short C sharp trumpet note by going Sample Pack>Orchestral>Brass>Trumpet>C#staccatotrumpet.wav, though that's really not neccesary these days since most sample makers will include indexing files for all the common sample player software.
>> No. 26986 Anonymous
26th December 2018
Wednesday 9:43 pm
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I don't know. Maybe I should check.
>> No. 26987 Anonymous
27th December 2018
Thursday 10:03 am
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Czech yourselves before you wrzech yourselves.
>> No. 27265 Anonymous
18th September 2019
Wednesday 7:17 pm
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Hey lads, I'm in a similar position to OP but have procrastinated on a decision for about a year now. It's just so bloody difficult to make a choice on what you want when it comes to a new best friend. I was looking at a V-series the other-day but upon closer inspection I suspect the build-quality is absolute toffee:

My criteria has shifted around but generally:
>Budget is £500-£1000 depending on what it can do
>Weight isn't a problem, this is going to be an effective desktop/tv due to lack of space in the flat
>Something sturdy that will last me years and years if anything
>My benchmark was finally getting to play GTA V but a laptop able to play it in decent quality appears still out of reach

I really should make a choice now as my current laptop is starting to BSD more and more.
>> No. 27266 Anonymous
18th September 2019
Wednesday 10:52 pm
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>My benchmark was finally getting to play GTA V but a laptop able to play it in decent quality appears still out of reach

Not any more. At the low end of your budget, a machine with a Ryzen 5 2500U will run GTA V on medium settings at 720p at about 50fps, while still being reasonably portable. At the high end of your price range, you could have something with an i5 and a GTX 1650, which will give you decent frame rates at 1080p on very high settings.


>> No. 27267 Anonymous
18th September 2019
Wednesday 11:25 pm
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Your budget will definitely stretch to something GTAV-capable, my laptop runs that and it's only worth ~£500. I picked an Inspiron 15 7577, which doesn't look like the usual "gamer laptop" with rainbow LED and go-faster plastic tacky embarrassment. By all accounts it has a quiet cooling system by gaming laptop standards, but it's still too loud for me when it gets going. When a game like GTAV is running you'd better have headphones or some way of moving the thing into an adjacent room.

Can you really not squeeze in a decent desktop? And then grab a second-hand chromebook or something dirt cheap for when you're out and about? Gaming laptops are inherently a significant compromise, don't go there unless you really have to.
>> No. 27286 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 8:43 am
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If anyone is after a refurb laptop, there are loads at 20% off on eBay right now. You can have an X250 with 8GB of RAM and a 180GB SSD for a mere £127.99.

>> No. 27287 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 12:43 pm
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Talking SSDs as the singlemost effective modern upgrade - how do you install an operating system on one? I've done it before but it put a really sour taste in my mouth. The actual install is fine - it pretty much does itself - it's all the faffing about with USBs, CDkeys and calling Microsoft that really gets me.

Do they not sell them on disc, anymore? How do i buy directly from windows, or find a legitimate retailer?

sage for not really /g/ and barely relevant to the thread.
>> No. 27288 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 1:36 pm
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If you're upgrading a computer with a working Windows installation, you can just clone the hard drive to the new SSD with a cheap USB to SATA adapter.

You can create your own installation media (USB or DVD) using the Windows Media Creation Tool. It just takes a couple of clicks.


If the PC has previously had a license for Windows 10, the license will be automatically recognised, even if it's a clean install.

You can buy a boxed retail copy of Windows 10, but it's over £100. Given that Windows still works even if the license isn't validated, I'd rather take my chances with a cheap key off eBay.

>> No. 27289 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 7:21 pm
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>You can buy a boxed retail copy of Windows 10, but it's over £100

Amazon sell proper Microsoft USB key versions of Pro for about £70. Not quite as cheap as some on eBay, but at least its a safe purchase.
>> No. 27290 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 7:55 pm
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eBay has quality buyer protection so if you get dicked over with a bum key you should be covered. Unless you're worried about malicious software or something.
>> No. 27291 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 9:39 pm
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Download Windows 7, activate it, then claim a free upgrade as a user of assistive technology. I mean, who hasn't tried getting the narrator to say silly things?
>> No. 27292 Anonymous
19th November 2019
Tuesday 9:53 pm
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You rascal.
>> No. 27293 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 12:12 am
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> If the PC has previously had a license for Windows 10, the license will be automatically recognised, even if it's a clean install.

How does that work, exactly? Is the product key stored in UEFI or even the TPM? I did notice when work shipped me a new Thinkpad with Windows 10 on it there was no printed product key, either on the laptop itself or in any of the paperwork that came with it.

I'm going to have a serious grumble to myself if there's some unique device ID that's sent to some remote service in Redmond that verifies that your device previously ran Win 10 and is eligible for continued service.
>> No. 27294 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 3:57 am
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>> No. 27295 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 7:49 pm
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> A unique number called a globally unique identifier, which is assigned to your computer

Good grief. *grumble*

This begs the question, however, of how they deal with virtualization. Presumably I could spin up a thousand cloned VMs and have them all activate on a single license. Additionally it's probably going to cause all kinds of problems (as MS Office has for years) when you want to test and debug a system image locally then upload it to a production server - as soon as it detects a different CPUID then you'll have a different GUID and everything will break.
>> No. 27296 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 7:59 pm
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They don't really care about individual users - Windows 10 will work indefinitely even if you don't bother to activate it. I think they realised that a) people who build their own computers will just pirate Windows anyway and b) the risk of pushing people towards Linux outweighs the paltry sums they might earn through retail Windows sales. The real money comes from volume licenses for OEMs and enterprise users.

There's an entirely separate (and dizzyingly complex) licensing system for corporate customers who are likely to be using automated deployment. If you buy a shitload of licenses, Microsoft will automatically authenticate any machine on your network.

>> No. 27298 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 10:33 pm
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Microsoft have cottoned on to the 90/9/1 distribution of their income, knowing they get the majority of their income from enterprise customers using enterprise products, a smaller slice from business customers buying Windows and Office, and a tiny slice from home users.
>> No. 27299 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 11:24 pm
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Office Commercial revenue is six times higher than Office Consumer revenue. That leads me to believe your supposed distribution is seriously made up.
>> No. 27300 Anonymous
20th November 2019
Wednesday 11:55 pm
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>Windows 10 will work indefinitely even if you don't bother to activate it

True of any computer that retains its 'globally unique identifier', as mentioned - but any and all hardware upgrades or replacements might trigger an unverification and a 'you need to ring us to sort this out' type message. I think it basically gives you three or four changes behind the scenes before it freaks out, but you never know.

It's still infinitely more friendly than previous systems, and I do indeed have a few legit copies of windows from dodgy win7 cracks and so on.
>> No. 27301 Anonymous
21st November 2019
Thursday 12:09 am
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I can only assume you have no idea how expensive their enterprise offerings are, or how widely used OEM licences are.
>> No. 27306 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 1:27 pm
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While we're on the subject of licences, how much of my PC can I upgrade before Windows 10 shits itself?

I'm planning to drop the cash for a new CPU/motherboard combo soon, considering I've had this venerable old 3570K for well over 6 years. If I just throw my current hard drive in, will I see issues, or have computers come past that these days?

I really can't be arsed fannying about reinstalling everything.
>> No. 27307 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 1:38 pm
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>how much of my PC can I upgrade before Windows 10 shits itself?

There's no definitive answer, but your license isn't void when it happens, you just have to sort it out with Microsoft. It's a bit of a hassle but not too bad, though I've heard if you do it too much you run out of activiations, but 'too much' is constant hardware changes on a test bench sort of thing.
>> No. 27308 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 2:24 pm
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That's fair, cheers.

How well does an installation tolerate changes in hardware then? I remember last time I upgraded back in about 2013 I just had to boot up in safe mode and swap some drivers.
>> No. 27309 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 2:35 pm
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The answer is 'pretty well', it seems. Here's a decent video on it that goes over the basics, but also demonstrates that even though Linus is actively trying to get the authentication to trip up, it doesn't always work. It also seems like if your Win10 licence is tied to a Windows Live account it's even easier to sort out anyway.

>> No. 27310 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 2:37 pm
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I should add that in my experience, I've swapped out graphics cards, CPU and motherboard, and Windows 10 either didn't notice, or immediately adapted to the new hardware behind the scenes. I've also put my SSD from one Thinkpad into a different model and that worked fine too. I wouldn't worry.
>> No. 27311 Anonymous
26th November 2019
Tuesday 3:02 pm
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Sound, I'll just go for it then. Cheers lad.
>> No. 27316 Anonymous
28th November 2019
Thursday 2:08 am
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> How much of my PC can I upgrade before Windows 10 shits itself?

I'll eventually find this out myself as I migrate various VMs around work/customer/enterprise boxes but I do have a shit ton of experience of Office 2013's "Windows Genuine Advantage" which basically threw its toys out of the pram if your CPU changed.

If Win10 is anything like WGA you can change your hdd/ssd, your ram, and any peripherals like video cards / gpus and the like - but the moment you change out the CPU it'll throw a wobbly.

Essentially it all comes down to what data MSFT uses to create their "globally unique identified" (my money's on CPU model and serial number and probably BIOS/UEFI serial number if it's available).
>> No. 27317 Anonymous
28th November 2019
Thursday 2:20 am
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If you've got a fleet of any significant size you really should be using KMS or emulating it.
>> No. 28031 Anonymous
14th December 2021
Tuesday 9:42 pm
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For some reason after making this post I ended up buying a cheapo laptop and never getting to play GTA V - I suspect because of a girl. 2 years later however and I now live in a big flat where I can buy myself a proper desktop and never have to worry about girls again.

Is everything still a mess thanks to Covid and miners? I've not bought a desktop in over a decade so I have no idea on what brands are good, looking online everything has rainbow lights and see-through cases (to make it run faster) along with energy drink names which makes me think it's all a big scam.
>> No. 28032 Anonymous
14th December 2021
Tuesday 10:08 pm
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>Covid and miners

Everything is mostly fine but you can't get hold of graphics cards for love nor money.
>> No. 28033 Anonymous
14th December 2021
Tuesday 10:56 pm
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AMD decided to get good again, that's the only real difference in the past decade. And I guess SSDs are affordable now, and we'll worth it.
Not checked in the past year or so but I'd bet they're still the best choice for a CPU.
>> No. 28034 Anonymous
14th December 2021
Tuesday 11:43 pm
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Fuck. I assume this has destroyed the self-build community but the pre-builds have been protected by the suppliers?
>> No. 28035 Anonymous
15th December 2021
Wednesday 12:26 am
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Graphics cards are available, but they're extortionately expensive, selling at 2-3x MSRP. This pricing has also affected pre-builts.

There aren't a lot of great options at the moment. Game streaming services like Geforce Now offer decent visual quality as long as you've got reasonable broadband, but too much latency for competitive titles. An AMD APU like the Ryzen 5 5600G will deliver playable frame rates on older titles while leaving you the option of adding a discrete GPU later when prices eventually fall. Ironically, gaming laptops can be the best bang-for-your-buck if you want to play current AAA titles at medium-high settings. You could of course buy an Xbox.
>> No. 28048 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 3:06 am
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There are two things wrong with what I wrote here:

1. You cannot escape girls
2. My laptop shell was badly cracked and it was expensive to replace for what is a shitty Ideapad that must've cost a couple hundred pounds and has been a complete headache

The latter point led to my own nightmare before Christmas this evening as the slot for the power cable came off with the cable and I couldn't then reconnect the wires. No doubt because a huge section of shell above it broke off and I've just been dealing with the odd spark because why wouldn't I wait until January.

Picture the stress as I rushed to get everything off my laptop before its battery died and how I nearly lost years of financial records. I just about managed to get everything onto an old laptop before the battery died. It was awful and now I can only play 2000s era games at best over Christmas where I'm on my own.

Anyway, are January sales real and I should hold out or is it wiser to drop a grand on a laptop now? What are the current recommended brands and models?
>> No. 28049 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 3:27 am
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No USB-C socket?
>> No. 28050 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 3:28 am
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>Picture the stress as I rushed to get everything off my laptop

You know you can just take the drive out, right?
>> No. 28051 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 3:42 am
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Tried the USB-C port and it didn't take power despite using the power lead from a USB-C only laptop. I can only assume the port is fucked for whatever reason.

That would involve buying an enclosure and mean that I'd have no budget data likely until the new year when I need to make a large purchase for a new laptop.
>> No. 28052 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 1:42 pm
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I found this which is £126 below RRP but do you think in 2 days it might be massively discounted?
>> No. 28053 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 1:47 pm
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PCs don't tend to appear in sales at massive discounts, so no.
>> No. 28054 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 1:50 pm
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Tah for the quick response. It's going to happen lads, I'm going to finally get to play GTAV.
>> No. 28055 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 4:37 pm
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What about the parts? I've been planning to build my own PC out of fancy new pieces for several years now; my current one is 11 1/2 years old but it runs just fine. If this is a time when I can be confident I'll be at home to receive a fat new case and motherboard and other bits that won't fit through the letterbox, perhaps I might finally take the plunge.
>> No. 28056 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 5:58 pm
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Everything I've heard about PC parts at the moment is that crypto and chip shortages have rendered a lot of things way more expensive than they should be.
>> No. 28057 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 6:44 pm
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A lot of PC parts are cheap at the moment - I bought one of my kids an i5 processor for hardly any money compared to the RRP. But graphics cards are absolutely fucking mental. You'll pay 400 quid for a card that would have cost 100 pounds a year back - I don't know what to do about that other than wait. 3090 cards are over two grand now, which is just a mental amount of money to pay.
>> No. 28058 Anonymous
24th December 2021
Friday 11:01 pm
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That's wonderful; that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much. Now I just need to wait till Monday for those parts to drop even further in price, and soon I'll be tearing around with my brand new 64GB RAM, 12-core CPU, and 3dfx Voodoo 2 graphics card.
>> No. 28059 Anonymous
25th December 2021
Saturday 1:06 am
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Those fuckers are expensive nowadays m8

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