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>> No. 59246 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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>A homeless man who stole a purse and a phone from victims of the Manchester Arena attack has admitted theft.

>Chris Parker, 33, was initially dubbed a hero after claiming he comforted a seriously injured girl. CCTV footage played to Manchester Crown Court showed him wandering between stricken victims. He kept returning to injured Pauline Healey, whose granddaughter lay dying nearby, before leaning over her and taking her handbag to steal her purse.


I don't get why bleeding heart do-gooders bleat on about the homeless. They're all scratters who are on the streets through choice, usually because they choose not to stay in a hostel as they know they wouldn't be allowed to do drugs there.
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>> No. 59247 Paedofag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:03 pm
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It is a sad story. The sadder part being he had 50 grand raised for him which he never got, as a result of this.
>> No. 59249 R4GE
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:22 pm
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Money raised by twats for a twat.

He's a twat for lying and saying he was going around comforting victims when the reality is he'd snuck inside to see if they'd dropped any good loot or taking pictures of the dead bodies to try and sell to the media.

They're twats who go from one superficial social media campaign to the next. Kony 2012. Shouting dolphin rape about Lupita Nyong'o having her hair airbrushed for a magazine cover. Getting mad over the fake news that the Tories don't believe in animal sentience. Vacuous twats.
>> No. 59250 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:30 pm
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Yes I'm sure this one example means that we can just dismiss all homeless people as "scratters". That way we don't have to worry about them or think about the societal conditions that lead to homelessness at all. Plus we can even feel morally superior!

But still, that bloke is obviously a grade A cunt.
>> No. 59251 Auntiefucker
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:44 pm
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You can spot a Labour voter a mile off. "It's always somebody else's fault. There's no such thing as agency or personal responsibility."

Street dwellers broadly fall into two categories: scratters and beggars. If you drew a Venn diagram then there'd be quite a large overlap.

I suppose all the scratters who had been living under the canopy of the old BHS storefront in Hull, who spent their days brazenly shooting up in broad daylight, are poor unfortunate victims of society rather than a load of scuzzy scumbags.
>> No. 59252 Crabkiller
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:49 pm
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A great deal of homeless are on the streets because they have unchecked mental issues and no support.

If you were ill enough that you couldn't work, and didn't have a family to sort you out, can you say for sure you'd still have a roof over your head?
>> No. 59253 Anonymous
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:52 pm
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How could it possibly come to pass that I have no family nor people I could treat as family?
>> No. 59254 Ambulancelad
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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So we've gone from it being society's fault to it being mental health. It's one cop-out after another. There's always an excuse.

Sometimes it's not society's fault. Sometimes it isn't an undiagnosed mental illness. Sometimes people are just plain scumbags.

We need to stop speculating that people are mentally ill, which in my opinion is highly insulting to people who are actually suffering from mental health issues, by using it as a blanket explanation to simplify problems. It's the mental healthism equivalent of dolphin rape of low expectations - "oh, he can't help it. He's probably got mental issues."
>> No. 59255 Samefag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:19 pm
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I know the point you are trying to make, and it is very sound, but a lot of homeless people do suffer mental health issues.
>> No. 59256 Paedofag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:27 pm
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Christ that sounds horrible.

Imagine being on your death bed and a complete fucking stranger starts trying to strike up conversation with you. Not even interesting conversation, just a skaghead mumbling about how he's learning Greek by switching the language on his phone or whatever bollocks they usually come out with when trying to rustle some change.

Yeah, sure, tell them to piss off so you can die in peace if you dare. It is medically guaranteed that they will get the last word in.
>> No. 59257 Anonymous
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:32 pm
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I thought at the time the other "homeless hero" looked like he had the potential to be normal and maybe just fell on the hard times but the thief looked like a subnormal scumbag who had probably been like that from day one.
>> No. 59258 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:36 pm
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I used to be the biggest liberal about homelessness until the mid-2000s when I lived opposite a hostel and every one of them I got to know was an alcoholic, a drug addict or mentally ill.

I was thinking maybe its easier to get homeless now and with the exploding numbers I might be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
>> No. 59259 Auntiefucker
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:37 pm
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This seems like a fairly serious discussion for /iq/.
>> No. 59261 Crabkiller
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:12 pm
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u homeless cunt m9
>> No. 59262 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:29 pm
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According to the National Audit Office the defining characteristic for the rise in homelessness since 2010 is the ending of assured shorthold tenancies whereas beforehand it was primarily a range of personal factors. Wages aren't keeping pace with rent rises.

The rise in the use of temporary accommodation is primarily in London and the South East, with 70% of households in temporary accommodation placed there by London boroughs. Councils have less social housing stock, are having to spend more on temporary accommodation and less on preventing the causes of it. Fewer private landlords are willing to work with the council in accomodating the homeless.

In short, the benefit cap means that paupers can't afford to live in London but they're reluctant to leave. Homelessness is actually lower in areas with relatively a high proportion of unemployed private tenants on housing benefit and is higher in larger cities, particularly those with more people from the EU registered to work; those most vulnerable are those in areas where housing benefit (and therefore rents) are higher and for those who are working and in receipt of housing benefit. We need to stop landlords being cunts, build more social housing and make parts of the country which aren't London more attractive to work and live.
>> No. 59263 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:56 pm
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I mean you don't have to be an evil tory to worry that money you give beggars is feeding their addiction, and people with some types of mental illness (e.g. Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder), if it's severe and they're insightless, just seem to be exist to make life more miserable for everyone else. Some got homeless because they "fell out with" (i.e. beat the shit out of) their wives.

Some of the hostel's "rehabilitated success stories" were out-of-control drunks on high rate DLA who got paid to stay drunk all day every day. They were the local pub's "best customers" and friends with the staff and owners who would take them for days out bowling sometimes. The staff would do charity events for liver/kidney disease charity sometimes which seemed a bit hypocritical along with the fact they were enabling their "friends" to slowly kill themselves.
>> No. 59264 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:30 pm
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Well I'm sure your anecdotal evidence means that you are able to make 100% objective statements about all homeless people then.

You really can't conceive of a situation or set of circumstances where this could happen?

Fucking hell.
>> No. 59265 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:40 pm
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When did I say that? I could read the Guardian about how they're all blameless victims or the Daily Mail about how benefit claimants are all scumbags (especially when they were scapegoat number one back then) and surely real life experience is going to inform which you pay more attention to.

I remember people from homeless charities admitting that most of them had mental health or addiction issues at the time. Like I said

(and >>59262 said)

I got the sense that might have changed by now.
>> No. 59266 Moralfag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:44 pm
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I remember an old post on here by that ex-homeless guy who said he had been on homelessness panels and whatnot. It was in response to hand-wringing about some council taking homeless people's blankets away and he said homelessness doesn't work the way people think it does and when you give them money etc., you enable them to keep going with their negative choices.

He said to go and watch a documentary called The Wet House but I never got around to it before it got taken down from YouTube unfortunately.
>> No. 59267 Samefag
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:07 am
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I wonder what happened to that guy we packed off to Holland?
>> No. 59268 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:08 am
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Can someone explain what a scratter is because google just says it's some kind of machine for squashing apples
>> No. 59269 Auntiefucker
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:12 am
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>> No. 59270 R4GE
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:12 am
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I bet that little shit squashed some apples after he got done stealing purses.
>> No. 59272 Searchfag
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:47 am
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He could market the end result as "scratters scrumpy". Real live tramp juice.
>> No. 59274 Are Moaty
4th January 2018
Thursday 10:37 am
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Thanks, that's just the thing to wash down my mid-morning egg salad sandwich.
>> No. 59275 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 10:46 am
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Hey I didn't know this type of thread was acceptable. OK great, but while everyone is making generalisations about homeless people we're not talking about what we should do to the real villains of the Manchester bombing: the fucking eskimos. They should all be hung drawn and quartered, including my newsagent and my taxi driver. Bleeding heart liberals don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done.
>> No. 59276 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 11:14 am
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There are people out there who believe people should be tortured and killed, because they offend them. And I find that idea so offensive I believe those people should be tortured and killed.
>> No. 59277 R4GE
4th January 2018
Thursday 11:33 am
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I reckon you're a massive racist. The so called "normal" one is fair skinned, blue eyed, and fairer haired. The "subnormal" one is swarthy, dark haired, and dark eyed. Does being a perfect Aryan make a better homeless person, Mr Hitler?
>> No. 59278 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:07 pm
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The bloke at the bottom doesn't look like he'd hold a dirty needle to your throat whilst saying he's got HIV and will stab you if you don't hand over your phone and wallet.
>> No. 59279 Searchfag
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:25 pm
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Obviously I'm not saying every homeless person is mental, but I've worked with a lot of them (through Shelter, local outreach, and food banks, mostly) and a great deal have the same story, the one I've just described. I'm just telling you what I've seen, and what most people who work with these charities would tell you.

To put it another way, though, even if you're a lazy, thieving scumbag, to be on the streets because you're so lazy you can't even be arsed to sustain yourself - how is that anything other than a mental deficiency?
>> No. 59280 Samefag
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:46 pm
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Also, being homeless is terrible for your mental health. There's a vicious cycle - someone loses their job or has a loss in the family, their mental health declines, they struggle to cope, they end up homeless, their mental health gets worse and they end up with complex and deeply entrenched problems.

It's why homelessness prevention is so crucial and why the Universal Credit waiting period is such a disastrous mistake. Preventing someone from becoming homeless is vastly cheaper than dealing with the consequences. One of the few sensible things that the government has done recently is No Second Night Out - aggressively targeting people who have just started rough sleeping and getting them re-housed as a matter of priority.
>> No. 59281 Billbob
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:09 pm
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In Cardiff, the amount of 'homeless' has increased a shocking amount in the last 2 years. This article says that in 2017 the amount of homeless sleepers had doubled. I used to be quite liberal about them, but with experience they have shown themselves to be scum. I've seen them injecting themselves in broad daylight under bridges and on very busy roads, I've seen numerous fights and all sorts of anti social scenes. It makes the city centre a quite intimidating looking place. On reading what the police have reported - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/people-travelling-cardiff-city-centre-13978846 - these are people travelling here to beg and then going home at night. I'm not saying every single homeless person is like this, but they are making it very hard for people to sympathise here.
>> No. 59282 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:49 pm
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I'm not sure you've quite thought out where you're going with this line of thinking.

The same thing has happened to Sheffield and only looks to get worse because the students keep feeding them. I didn't used to mind them either, until they tried bothering me every fucking time I left the house for change or that time I noticed one of the shitheads had left a dirty needle on the pavement outside a kids playground.

I can only imagine how bad it must be for a family forced into temporary accommodation and being surrounded by them all day and night without even your own shitter.
>> No. 59283 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:17 pm
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The services that used to keep these people off the streets have all been cut. The average local authority has seen a 26% budget cut since 2010. When you've got the choice between cutting a day centre for the homeless and essential care for elderly and disabled people, the day centre gets cut every time.

On top of that, housing benefit changes have badly affected homeless hostels and the benefits sanction regime has vastly increased the number of destitute people.

The last Labour government was fairly mediocre at actually reducing poverty, but it was very good at keeping it out of sight. The people we stuck on incapacity benefit and warehoused in tower blocks are now flooding onto the streets, because the Tories aren't willing to spend what it costs to sweep the underclass under the carpet.
>> No. 59284 Paedofag
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:20 pm
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When my friend started university in Manchester, we're talking just over a decade ago here, the tramps used to approach students outside takeaways, pinch one of their chips, lick it and throw it back into the box so the students wouldn't want to eat it anymore and the tramps could have it all to themselves.

Most street dwellers are fucking scum.
>> No. 59285 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:22 pm
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This is what I meant by the generalisation earlier in the thread - I doubt there are very many happy, healthy balanced homeless people.
>> No. 59286 Are Moaty
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:35 pm
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Only a minority of homeless are actually sleeping rough.

When people talk about rising homelessness the reality is that the majority of this is people who've been booted out by their landlord and can't find anywhere else to live so they get put in temporary accommodation.

What the bleeding hearts do is conflate this and make it sound like it's tens of thousands of them on the streets almost freezing to death. It's a bit like when they go on about child refugees and paint them all out to be little children when the reality is they're mainly in their early twenties and trying their luck for an easier ride.
>> No. 59287 Crabkiller
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:49 pm
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All forms of homelessness have increased over the past decade. There has been a disproportionate increase in hidden homelessness, but rough sleeping has more than doubled. It's obvious just walking around town, but the DCLG's rough sleeper count confirms it - 134% since 2010. In the North West and the South East, the number of rough sleepers has tripled.

>> No. 59289 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 2:47 am
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>> No. 59290 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 5:54 am
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Ironically you'll find the most serious discussion on britfa.gs these days on /iq/. I reckon it's because they're less likely to descend into bickering and cunt-offs because it's already sort of expected there'll be a degree of shitposting.
>> No. 59291 R4GE
5th January 2018
Friday 7:43 am
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The graph in >>59262 indicates that there's fewer households forced into temporary accommodation now than in any year during 2000 to 2008.

The way homelessness is measured was changed in 2010, meaning you can't make true like-for-like comparisons for most metrics before this point, but the number in temporary accommodation for 2009/10 and 2010/11 is considerably lower than it was for most of the time Labour were in power.

It doesn't look like you can reasonably say with any degree of certainty that homelessness now is worse than it was at the turn of the millennium, especially once you factor in how much the population will have grown during this period.

It appears that 2010 was a disproportionately low base and any measurements of the increase since then will look exaggerated compared with the likely long-term trend, but what people really care about is being able to use the statistics to bash the Tories than actually caring about the homeless so the worse they look the more righteous they can feel.
>> No. 59292 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 10:15 am
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There's definitely more than any graph will tell you. The numbers we get for rough sleepers (or true homeless if you like) are from local authorities quite literally driving about in a van counting people. I can tell you it's not a particularly accurate or reliable number. A large part of the guide from Homeless Link on providing these numbers is entitled "the difference between counts and estimates" or something to that effect.

Leeds, for example, has 80 homeless people, according to the district. 60 in temporary housing, 20 on the streets. This, somehow, does not count the charitable sheltered housing schemes. Even if it did, just because someone is registered at a place like that, it doesn't mean that they're actually there. It's not a suitable place for an addict, or someone whose mental condition has put them in their situation. We're talking about rooms with more beds in than a hostel, and minimal staffing. The fact is, many feel safer elsewhere. It's incredibly difficult to get a handle on numbers in situations like this, let alone the actual way to deal with the people.

That's not really an attempt to take away from your point, more add to it. Temporary housing is just that, and it doesn't always sustain. Addiction, mental health, a person unwilling or unable to even imagine they still have a place in society, even bloody-minded, twisted pride are all things that keep people on the streets, or, yes, in overcrowded shelters. It's sadly a problem that seems much deeper once you've seen it night after night yourself. Ask any city police officer what their morning shift is like, it's quite a lot of waking rough sleepers up from storefronts etc.

I haven't slept, so this post might be quite rambling. Apologies if it is.
>> No. 59293 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 10:24 am
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The point is, if you want to say that most, or some, or any homeless people are homeless because they're bone idle, lazy, degenerates, and there's nothing wrong with them, they just can't be arsed - If that was the case, if these people are the way they are because they simply can't be arsed - I would contend that level of 'not being arsed' is a mental problem. To say that street dwellers are there by choice is fairly absurd.

Professional beggars, that's another thing. That's an actual racket. More people than you'd imagine have figured out that wearing a shabby coat and being drunk in a town centre after the pubs kick out is a lucrative career.
>> No. 59294 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 12:42 pm
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>> No. 59295 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 3:49 pm
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My experience of Romanians (and Poles and Hungarians) has been them working in loads of kitchens and outperforming most English lads - except in management positions, though I suspect that's more to do with them knowing that ladder isn't worth climbing much, if at all. They show up, work hard, then fuck off home with no whinging - it's great.

I don't say this to be contrarian or prove any sort of point, it's genuinely true and it's a bit fucking worrying. Brexit has shit us right up as an industry - far beyond the price of butter being unmanageable, if we lose even a quarter of our eastern european workers, you'd see a lot of restaurants up shit creek.
>> No. 59296 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 4:15 pm
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Lads, can you fuck off with this shitposting already? /Iq/ is for serious business only, like the state of that fucking bread in the OP image. Don't these homeless cunts shave or anything?
>> No. 59297 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 4:24 pm
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I was 90% sure you typo'd beard but still had to scroll up to scan the OP image for loaves I didn't spot.
>> No. 59298 Samefag
5th January 2018
Friday 4:37 pm
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I always feel for the dogs.jpg

And my point is once we look at it this way we're getting into the murky waters of whether someone who chooses not to participate in society correctly should be locked away in a mental institution in something reminiscent of the Soviet Union or the Poor Laws at their worst.

I'd also contend that while the mentally ill would certainly have greater difficulty keeping a roof over their head, diminished responsibility is not total loss of responsibility. It is the same as saying being a criminal is not your fault if you grew up poor despite, as far as we can tell, free-will existing and the majority of poor people not being criminals.


Well, it's not like homeless people are known for getting much fanny...I think, honestly we knows. Those naive uni lasses you see chatting to them aren't after something more than a sense of smug middle class righteousnesses are they?
>> No. 59299 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 4:50 pm
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Loads of other industries would say the same - agriculture, manufacturing, logistics, construction, hospitality, personal care. It's a cliche, but it's true - the Bulgmanians do all the jobs that we don't want to do, and we're in deep shit if they all get booted out.
>> No. 59300 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 5:01 pm
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Not remotely.

If we treat chronic rough sleeping as being both a symptom and cause of mental illness, we can start to take more effective steps to prevent and reduce it. We can fund homelessness services to employ mental health nurses and clinical psychologists. We can end the shortage of beds in inpatient mental health care. We can build better connections between homelessness services, housing associations and community mental health teams.

We know that most long-term rough sleepers need substantial psychological and social care to get back into housing and employment, but that care simply isn't being provided. We don't recognise that it's actually much cheaper to give someone intensive support and rehabilitation in the short-term, rather than have them spend much of their life bouncing between hostels, A&E, prison and the street.

In my semi-professional opinion, homelessness is as much of a public health issue as a housing issue. The NHS needs to be deeply integrated into the way we care for homeless people. We know that being homeless drastically increases your risk of a huge range of physical and mental health problems, so getting and keeping people in secure housing is effectively preventative drugs. Our neglect of homeless people is actually costing us a fortune in the long run.
>> No. 59301 Billbob
5th January 2018
Friday 5:48 pm
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When I was 14 a group of tramps convinced a drunk lass I knew, same school year, to fuck herself with a lambrini bottle in the middle of town.

Tramps are always shooting up and fucking if they've got the chance. Lady tramps are always getting fucked, usually for money or from other tramps for drugs.

I bet if we legalised drugs and turned it into legal tender then tramps would be billionaires. They're always scoring drugs.


However did we cope the A10 countries joined the EU in 2004?

It's shifting baseline syndrome. It's what's seen as the new normal, but it wasn't always this way. Who knows, maybe employers would have to start paying people decent wages or actually training them up if they want to fill vacancies? The horror.
>> No. 59306 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 6:21 pm
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In 2004 there were around 48,000 restaurants and mobile catering operations in the UK. Today there are 86,000.

I have a very vested interest in higher paid catering staff, but the brutal reality is restaurants don't make profit when you pay line cooks a proper wage. It's already bad, and that job market is somewhat sustained by foreign workers who can take advantage of a strong(ish) pound, but it's also keeping a roof over the head of plenty of British people too. I do not think that will continue, unless food prices stabilise and/or we refocus on local produce (a man can dream) or people in general have more money to spend eating out.
>> No. 59307 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 6:25 pm
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I'd just like to add that I think it's absolutely ridiculous that £10 an hour is considered a jackpot to a skilled, trained, qualified line chef outside of London. If Brexit does manage to push the wages up to a more acceptable level, I will 3D print a buttplug in the shape of Boris Johnson and wear it for a week.
>> No. 59310 Searchfag
5th January 2018
Friday 6:53 pm
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> When I was 14 a group of tramps convinced a drunk lass I knew, same school year, to fuck herself with a lambrini bottle in the middle of town.

with the neck or the base lad? the level of respect i have for these tramps rests on this bit of information.
>> No. 59312 R4GE
5th January 2018
Friday 6:56 pm
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How many of these are proper establishments and how many of these are those forsaken takeaways which serve curry, kebabs, fried chicken, pizza and fish & chips all under one roof which are really just money laundering fronts.

I seem to recall in the Brexit campaign curryhouses were getting excited because they thought it would mean they'd be able to import more people from the Indian subcontinent (who they could exploit with poverty wages and terrible working conditions, safe in the knowledge they'd put up with it due to the threat of deportation otherwise - Training someone up from this country, paying decent wages and giving decent employment conditions was unthinkable for them).
>> No. 59313 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 7:03 pm
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The neck. The lass was a complete slag, but there's no way she'd have been able to accommodate the base end of a lambrini bottle. I remember it was about two-thirds drunk and the remainder kept sloshing about as she did it; the top was off.

Anyway, I've just remembered that the tramps paid her £10 for the privilege. What the fuck are tramps doing with so much money that they can casually fritter away a tenner on watching a live underage sex act? Perhaps that's why they have no money left.
>> No. 59315 Are Moaty
5th January 2018
Friday 7:04 pm
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Does seem like a lot of money to pay for it.
>> No. 59317 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 7:08 pm
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> there's no way she'd have been able to accommodate the base end of a lambrini bottle

I've seen videos on the internet wot disagree with you not involving underage slags and tramps though, admittedly
>> No. 59318 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 7:12 pm
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Are you sure you haven't gotten tramps and stock brokers mixed up?
>> No. 59319 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 7:19 pm
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I've never seen a stockbroker within a hundred yards of anything to do with lambrini
>> No. 59321 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 7:33 pm
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They were the stars of their 2005 advertising campaign.

>The makers of the sparkling perry wine Lambrini have been told to make their adverts less sexy.

>The drink, made by Knowsley company Halewood International, was told to tone down its advert to avoid linking women's boozing and sexual success. Men who star in its adverts should be "balding" and "paunchy" rather than "attractive and desirable", according to the Advertising Standards Authority.


Around 90% of men in financial services are in various stages of balding.
>> No. 59329 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 9:13 pm
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Maybe they can start paying better and maybe I will even get off the dole for something meaningful. The Bulgamanians can work for shit pay and buy houses back home, fuck off there and start business in their home countries. What's the point of a shit pay in a shit country meant for the rich?

>> No. 59331 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 9:37 pm
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I dunno, lad. If someone told me I could go and do a menial job in somewhere like Liechtenstein for quadruple what I'm earning at the minute which meant that, even accounting for the more expensive standard of living, I'd save up enough to buy a mansion back in blighty I'd be off like a shot.
>> No. 59332 Searchfag
5th January 2018
Friday 9:44 pm
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You're part of the problem mate. Do you want a job as a kitchen porter? You can have one right now for £8 an hour. But you won't take it because despite your protestations the bulgamanian will do it happily and send half his wage home every month, while you'll just whinge that washing plates isn't meaningful enough for you.
>> No. 59333 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 10:09 pm
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Mate, it's purpose that drives me. If I were Bulgarian, I would go to the UK and work for shitloads of money (compared to Bulgarian money), send money home, buy a fucking house, a car, a couple of cafes, an internet cafe, a garage, and then fucking come back and run my businesses.

I'm here now, what the hell will £8/hr do for me? What is the purpose? "Saving" isn't an Anglo thing anymore, we are all fueled by debt. I can't save for anything meaningful. There isn't any purpose, so I might as well be on the dole and spend my time on obscure imageboards.

Ask yourself why Bulgamanians work in those conditions and for that kind of pay? They have something to work towards. I don't.
>> No. 59334 Searchfag
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:14 am
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There's a chronic shortage of workers in health and social care, social work and many related professions. If your definition of "purpose" is making loads of money, then get an engineering degree or learn a trade.
>> No. 59335 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:31 am
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I already have a 3rd class engineering degree.
>> No. 59337 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 12:21 pm
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I think it's absolutely your fault you're not working then lad.
>> No. 59338 Billbob
6th January 2018
Saturday 12:30 pm
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>> No. 59339 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 1:02 pm
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Purpose is a very good thing to be driven by.
>> No. 59342 Billbob
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:27 pm
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Ha! Impressive. I have to agree here with Smith. Sadly my purpose isn't there. Maybe if I were brown and had to feed all my relatives in a shithole country, I'd open a corner shop and work 16 hours a day.
>> No. 59343 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:48 pm
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I think you might be confusing lack of purpose with being a lazy bastard.
>> No. 59344 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 4:21 pm
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So forging a career and furnishing your own life isn't enough purpose? Lost cause.
>> No. 59345 Ambulancelad
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:01 pm
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You don't need a job to have a comfortable life these days.

Free house. Buy a huge TV from BrightHouse and then get Netflix and a Kodi box so you can watch whatever you want. If you've got a house, a TV, a computer and internet access then you're pretty much golden.
>> No. 59348 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:12 pm
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There's more to life than Kodi and Pornhub.
>> No. 59349 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:21 pm
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If I didn't have any commitments I'm pretty sure I could live quite a happy life holed up with my book collection, playing computer games in my pants and watching things like it's always sunny on Netflix.

I mean, I'd have to give up things like my car but when you're taking it easy and time loses all meaning and no longer constrains you then there's no issue with slowing down and using the bus instead.
>> No. 59350 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:41 pm
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I think I'd be happier to do a menial job if I was doing it whilst travelling and at least absorbing a different culture at the same time.
>> No. 59354 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:06 pm
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I'd probably enjoy that too but I'd not call it a purpose.
>> No. 59355 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:22 pm
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It was my birthday yesterday. I'm 30 with no commitments, so I do okay with internet, mum's home, and computer games. Obviously it would be a different story if it meant that I would have to work to survive, or help my relatives and family, etc. As it stands, there is no point working for £8/hr in a kitchen.

The one thing I did wrong before I left uni was not doing a year in industry, because let's face it, nobody would be interested in uni grad with a shit degree and no experience. I suppose the one thing that I would want is to do a Master's, but it costs £10k, so I can't be asked to head into debt and work away trying to pay it back.

I'll see how long I can last the way I am now. Perhaps I can find purpose either through hardships down the line or even an opportunity.
>> No. 59356 Paedofag
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:28 pm
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How about apprenticeships? The pay is shit but it'll get you the experience.

I'm in a surprisingly similar boat to you, only difference is I've admittedly had a fairly successful career this far, it's just shit and I want out of it, so I'm sacrificing a lot to try that.
>> No. 59357 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:32 pm
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That's very much an option.
>> No. 59359 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:39 pm
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What's the point in life? Happiness and fulfilment.

You can live a fulfilled life whilst being unemployed. You can expand your knowledge. You can undertake personal projects and indulge in hobbies. You can volunteer and give back to society.

What does a job get you? Ultimately it gets you convenience. However the primary reason you require this is because you are time poor. You are a slave to time. You need to make the most of it because it is limited through spending so much of your waking time at work.
>> No. 59360 R4GE
6th January 2018
Saturday 7:37 pm
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We're not talking about happiness and fulfilment, though, we're talking about purpose, which this chap is saying he needs but cannot find.

You can have purpose (or indeed happiness and fulfilment) without a job, but I don't think you can have purpose while sat on your arse watching telly all day, as the post I replied to had described.
>> No. 59363 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 8:02 pm
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What about watching telly four days a week and doing something more productive on the other three?
>> No. 59364 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 8:22 pm
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Great movie.
>> No. 59554 R4GE
17th January 2018
Wednesday 6:55 pm
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>Should you give homeless people money? Absolutely

>The people I met who took class A drugs had very little choice.


Typical fucking Grauniad. Subsidise homeless people's drug habits, despite it not being in their best long-term interests, because it's a right-on thing to do.
>> No. 59557 Paedofag
17th January 2018
Wednesday 8:17 pm
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>The people I met who took class A drugs had very little choice.
Is "not take class A drugs" not an option then?

Also, I can't be bothered to give it a click, so how far in do they mention the book they're almost certainly trying to sell?
>> No. 59558 Billbob
17th January 2018
Wednesday 8:28 pm
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During the weeks I spent listening to and recording homeless people in London – first-hand accounts of their lives are in my book Four Feet Under

- Tamsen Courtenay is the author of Four Feet Under (Unbound), a collection of 30 stories of homeless people in their own words

>> No. 59621 YubYub
20th January 2018
Saturday 11:20 am
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You're a of a right-old moron yourself if you don't understand the argument behind it. The alternative is they die or turn to crime. Are those in their best long-term interests?
>> No. 59622 Moralfag
20th January 2018
Saturday 11:34 am
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Are homeless druggies immortal? Everyone dies, lad.
>> No. 59623 Paedofag
20th January 2018
Saturday 12:10 pm
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There's that moron thing we talked about again.
>> No. 59624 Are Moaty
20th January 2018
Saturday 12:25 pm
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It's not nice to call tramps morons; there's many reasons they've ended up on the streets.
>> No. 59638 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 4:59 pm
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*Holderness Road street begging* Please be aware that the 3 males who are regularly seen on Holderness Road asking for spare change are not homeless and one of the males regularly earns over £100 a day. If you are asked for money please call 101 and report it to us. #7783


Imagine getting £100+ a day from begging. If you did that every day that's £36,500 a year tax free - you'd need to be earning a £50,000 salary to end up with that net. I bet he's got a free home through benefits and everything, too.
>> No. 59640 Auntiefucker
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 6:59 pm
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>> No. 59641 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:08 pm
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Let us know how it works out, lad. I'm sure you won't get your head kicked in or arrested.
>> No. 59642 Anonymous
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:15 pm
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Do people beat up beggars? It doesn't matter, I can run pretty fast. And I don't think you get arrested for it, a warning for first time offenders at most.
>> No. 59644 Samefag
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:29 pm
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>> No. 59645 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:32 pm
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"Homeless James" said "£50 on a bad day" at about 5:53 here and that was 2002 money.


Speaking of whom, I never got the commenters saying how "lovely" he was. To me, he was like a creature who should be put out of his misery.
>> No. 59646 Anonymous
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:41 pm
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I'm pretty sure if he got his head kicked in he'd get even more money afterwards as people would feel more guilty/sympathetic and hand over more dosh if he looked all beaten up.
>> No. 59654 Searchfag
24th January 2018
Wednesday 5:33 pm
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>> No. 59655 R4GE
24th January 2018
Wednesday 6:11 pm
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I hope that's not not meant to make me feel guilty or anything because I saw it months ago.
>> No. 59656 Billbob
24th January 2018
Wednesday 6:38 pm
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We'd be rid of so many problems in this world if only more were as courageous as you.
>> No. 59658 Auntiefucker
24th January 2018
Wednesday 9:40 pm
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Last week I approached a homeless bloke with a black eye who was crying into his hands, and I gave him a fiver because he said some guys came up while he was sleeping last Wednesday and kicked him in the face and nicked his sleeping bag and all his stuff, and he needed another £9 to get into a shelter for the night.

Did he see me coming? Who knows? Who cares? I shouldn't let the risk his story might not be true affect my compassion, or I'll be just like the Daily Mail, sending undercover reporters into food banks to try and turn the public against them.
>> No. 59659 Are Moaty
24th January 2018
Wednesday 9:41 pm
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>> No. 59660 Moralfag
24th January 2018
Wednesday 9:58 pm
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You did a good thing.
>> No. 59661 Anonymous
24th January 2018
Wednesday 10:00 pm
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>Did he see me coming?
Probably not if he was crying into his hands unless he had stigmata and/or transparent hands.
>> No. 59664 Billbob
24th January 2018
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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I don't think the homeless have to pay to stay in a shelter.
>> No. 59666 Moralfag
24th January 2018
Wednesday 11:39 pm
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Yeah, it's £30 a week out of their benefits. Some would rather keep the cash and sleep rough; apparently they can be quite bad for theft and such like as well.
>> No. 59667 Are Moaty
25th January 2018
Thursday 12:37 am
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Night shelters are sometimes free, but they frequently charge a small fee per night. Shelters offer very basic accommodation on a night-by-night basis so you're not guaranteed to get a bed.

Homeless hostels are partly covered by housing benefit (if you're eligible, haven't been sanctioned, have managed to make a claim while NFA etc), but there's often an additional charge. You can't legally claim housing benefit for anything other than rent, so things like meals, heating and laundry have to be paid for out-of-pocket.

Homeless hostels and shelters aren't nice places to be. You're sharing a room with 18 or 20 other homeless people and the odds are pretty good that at least one of them will be a complete fucking nutter. They're often rife with bullying, theft and violence. A lot of rough sleepers use youth hostels or privately-owned backpackers hostels instead, but they're typically £20-£30 a night and don't accept housing benefit.
>> No. 59668 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 7:10 am
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Most people are aware that food banks are a con.

The rise in food banks is simply down to raised awareness of them and as many people will use them as they can as everybody loves a freebie. Imagine being able to spend more of your giro on cigs and booze because you don't have to worry about having to budget for food anymore because you can pull the wool over the eyes of some do-gooders to get it for free.

The only people who don't realise this are the completely naïve who don't realise scroungers know every trick in the book. There's others who use it to further their agenda and play dumb, with two examples of this being lefties who are actively encouraging doleys to use food banks so they can fake outrage at the high number using them so they can have a pop at the wicked Tories and labour voters who want the nanny state to manage as much of people's lives as possible, so trying to make them reliant on others to provide them with food is a great way for them to try and expand the suckling of the state teat.
>> No. 59670 Auntiefucker
25th January 2018
Thursday 9:56 am
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Finally, someone that sees sense on this board.
>> No. 59671 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 11:05 am
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Couldn't agree more with your point.
>> No. 59672 Anonymous
25th January 2018
Thursday 11:28 am
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>so trying to make them reliant on others to provide them with food is a great way for them to try and expand the suckling of the state teat.
but foodbanks aren't state owned

though this does give me the idea of a state owned food bank, as distinct from a foodbank, where you can buy food and store it in government warehouses so that when some bastard buys all the bread in the shops you're alright because you've got bread stored in the food bank. obviously like a real bank DOESN'T actually do, the government lends your bread out or sells it above cost to someone else, but then finds a replacement by the time you come back to pick it up, so it doesn't go mouldy. it has to be state owned because if we let the fat cats run it then the sudden disappearance of all the lasagne will cause a bank run and kick off the next economic crisis.
>> No. 59673 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 11:48 am
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>Did he see me coming? Who knows? Who cares?

I've seen some pretty pathetic cons in my time, homeless people who would seriously injure themselves (bleeding head wounds, exposing bone ect) then ask you for money for a taxi to hospital, it is fine to give them that tenner until later that night or the next day you see them doing the exact same thing to someone else. I remember one trying to pick a fight with me because rather than give them the money I offered to phone them an ambulance.

The real question is, rather than one of their sincerity, if it is a calculated ploy, are you helping them by giving them that money? or are you reinforcing negative behaviour? If they think they have got a pretty sweet thing going with injuring themselves, or acting pathetic and helpless, when are they going to stop? Are they ever going to stop? When does their behaviour become constructive, or is it an endless cycle. Would the cycle end if people didn't give them the money? Would they actually help themselves or would they just wither and die?
>> No. 59674 Billbob
25th January 2018
Thursday 3:08 pm
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No, the real question is: Are you willing to give money to another person who's asking for it?
Everything else is just you being a patronising cunt.
>> No. 59675 Moralfag
25th January 2018
Thursday 3:18 pm
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Well, not really. Plenty of people would be willing to part with money to buy someone a meal, less to buy them three litres of frosty jack.
>> No. 59676 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 3:36 pm
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Well, the last time I went up to someone and asked for all their money the cunt decked me. I don't see why I should give money to other people just when they ask for it if everyone else is going to take that selfish attitude!

Monkey business aside, while I despise people who buy sandwiches for the homeless you can't avoid the moral implication if assistance actively hurt someone. You wouldn't lend your mate with a heroin addiction £500, would you?
>> No. 59677 R4GE
25th January 2018
Thursday 3:36 pm
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Well since you put it like that. Can I have some money. I need money. Are you
going to give it to me? Or are you going to make some snap judgement that I don't, because im behind a keyboard and not out in the street. Fuck you, you don't know me you patronizing hypocritical cunt. Give me money. I need it.
>> No. 59678 R4GE
25th January 2018
Thursday 5:02 pm
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Sure, no problem. Post PayPal or ETH/LTC address.
>> No. 59679 YubYub
25th January 2018
Thursday 5:15 pm
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What's the criteria for getting a housing association property.

I came across a case today of a retired couple with an income in the region of £80,000 per annum living in a very nice looking housing association property in central London where the rents were protected and about £500 per month. They had an investment portfolio worth about £200,000 and a few rental properties up north.

Why the fuck is someone like that in a housing association property? I get that they'll have secured the place when they were probably just starting out and not on as much money, but they should have been booted out a long time ago.
>> No. 59680 Paedofag
25th January 2018
Thursday 5:58 pm
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>> No. 59681 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 6:22 pm
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Homeless people are a lot like ducks. If you just give them bread they'll bloat up. It's not good for them.
>> No. 59682 R4GE
25th January 2018
Thursday 6:29 pm
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I heard if you give them too much they sink
>> No. 59683 Paedofag
25th January 2018
Thursday 6:35 pm
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I heard they float coz they're made of wood.
>> No. 59684 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 7:13 pm
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I heard if you feed them rice they'll explode.
>> No. 59685 Auntiefucker
25th January 2018
Thursday 7:38 pm
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> You wouldn't lend your mate with a heroin addiction £500, would you?

yes and so would you if you'd ever had a habit
>> No. 59686 Billbob
25th January 2018
Thursday 8:40 pm
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See, you should never just give them money.

the responsible thing to do would be to buy him £500 worth of gear, so you know he won't go and waste it on food.
>> No. 59687 Crabkiller
25th January 2018
Thursday 8:52 pm
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>>59668 >>59670 >>59671 >>59685 >>59686
How can one community be this woke?
>> No. 59688 YubYub
25th January 2018
Thursday 9:03 pm
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this is the sort of sound economic advice that the homeless and the smack addicted need more of - you can get a much better deal buying in bulk than in ten or twenty quid wraps. Think of it like meal prepping, or packing your rice, but for your veins.
>> No. 59689 R4GE
25th January 2018
Thursday 9:36 pm
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I couldn't agree more.
>> No. 59690 Ambulancelad
25th January 2018
Thursday 10:17 pm
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I didn't realise the guardian posted here.
>> No. 59691 Ambulancelad
26th January 2018
Friday 5:42 am
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Technically he only reads the Guardian because of how upset it makes him. He was trying to be ironic.
>> No. 59692 Crabkiller
26th January 2018
Friday 7:06 am
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Was the guardian this miserable when labour were in power? I honestly can't remember.
>> No. 59693 Ambulancelad
26th January 2018
Friday 7:20 am
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They were perky for the fortnight when it seemed the Lib Dems might have had some power a decade ago.
>> No. 59694 Moralfag
26th January 2018
Friday 8:22 am
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I think I've solved what to do with homeless people. If you foster someone then you get, on average, £450 per week plus money on top for clothes and food and activities.

If we give every homeless person two children to foster then they'll be given £900 per week tax free. It's highly likely that it'll give them a sense of purpose in life (studies have found that many pregnant teenagers do better in school than they would have otherwise because the baby has given them something to live for) and it'll be a winner for the kids as they're out of care.
>> No. 59695 Are Moaty
26th January 2018
Friday 11:37 am
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This is a sound plan.
>> No. 59696 YubYub
26th January 2018
Friday 5:31 pm
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Can't think of any drawbacks there.
>> No. 59697 R4GE
26th January 2018
Friday 5:37 pm
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Kids love White Ace, right?
>> No. 59698 Billbob
26th January 2018
Friday 6:16 pm
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If they're kids from care then they're probably born addicted to methadone so moving them onto a nice bottle of frosty jacks would actually be moving them onto softer substances which, I imagine, would be hugely beneficial for their long-term health prospects.
>> No. 59699 Anonymous
26th January 2018
Friday 7:33 pm
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Alcohol will kill you far, far quicker than methadone (or opium for that matter).
>> No. 59700 Auntiefucker
26th January 2018
Friday 7:38 pm
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So will a car, what's your point?
>> No. 59701 YubYub
26th January 2018
Friday 7:49 pm
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Nobody in the entire history of the universe has died from drinking too much frosty.
>> No. 59703 Are Moaty
26th January 2018
Friday 8:29 pm
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My point, you cretinous inchworm, is that the assertion that "moving them onto a nice bottle of frosty jacks would actually be moving them onto softer substances which, I imagine, would be hugely beneficial for their long-term health prospects" is utter bollocks.
>> No. 59704 Anonymous
26th January 2018
Friday 8:47 pm
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No it isn't. Comparing the percentage of people who live healthily and drink alcohol to the percentage of people who take methadone or other opiates while living healthily, alcohol comes out on top by a huge margin.
If it was possible to legally and recreationally take medicinal or food grade opiates of a relatively sensible dose on a regular basis then yes they'd come out on top in terms of doing less permanent damage done to the body but that's not the world we live in.
>> No. 59705 Samefag
26th January 2018
Friday 10:05 pm
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Alcohol is inherently toxic, even in relatively moderate doses. Two glasses of wine a night are enough to significantly elevate your risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease. A lot of patients on the liver transplant waiting list were functional, middle-class drinkers, many of whom didn't even think they had a problem until they started turning yellow.

Methadone isn't toxic at anything but overdose. It doesn't increase your risk of cancer or cardiovascular disease, it doesn't cause organ damage, it doesn't even give you a hangover. Methadone doesn't kill people - it's the heroin or benzos on top that send people over.

I'm not saying that people should rush out and get themselves a methadone script, but I do think that we massively underestimate the harms of alcohol. If you ask anyone who works with homeless people, they'll tell you that white cider and spice are doing unbelievable amounts of harm. We desperately need minimum unit pricing.

>> No. 59706 Samefag
26th January 2018
Friday 10:09 pm
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That's great but you've completely missed the entire point of what I said. Relative recreational dose for relative recreational dose, heroin may be less harmful, but in the wider scheme of things, including the context in which we live and the lifestyles available to us, alcohol is safer.
>> No. 59707 Moralfag
27th January 2018
Saturday 12:53 am
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> Relative recreational dose for relative recreational dose, heroin may be less harmful, but in the wider scheme of things, including the context in which we live and the lifestyles available to us, alcohol is safer.

even for iq ur fukkin fick m8
>> No. 59708 Anonymous
28th January 2018
Sunday 3:15 pm
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Safer is not the same thing as socially acceptable or legal.
>> No. 59709 Moralfag
28th January 2018
Sunday 3:30 pm
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>A Labour government would immediately buy thousands of properties for homeless people in a move to tackle soaring levels of rough sleeping in the UK, Jeremy Corbyn has said.


Phase II of Jeremy Corbyn's unicorns for all policy: spend billions so we can put homeless people in existing houses to let them trash the places.
>> No. 59710 Anonymous
28th January 2018
Sunday 4:08 pm
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Gets them off the streets and creates jobs for cleaners and skilled trades. Can't really see the downside there m6.
>> No. 59711 Moralfag
28th January 2018
Sunday 4:42 pm
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We don't want more cleaners. Every cleaner I've met has been a complete fucking thicko. France has the right idea. People keep wanking on about how French people are more productive and can do in four days what we can do in five. The reason for this is they have an unemployment rate that's about 2.5 times higher than ours. Whilst we're giving thickos jobs the French are, quite rightly, all too happy to leave them on the economic scrapheap whilst leaving the productive people to actually get on with doing shit.

We don't need anymore tradesfolk either. They're the biggest tax evaders of the lot, with all their cash in hand work. People go on about multinational companies avoiding tax and how terrible they are, but if we had more tradies then the country would end up bankrupt through all that evaded tax.
>> No. 59713 Moralfag
28th January 2018
Sunday 5:40 pm
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>“We would give local authorities the power to take over deliberately kept vacant properties,”

What ever happened to squatting? I know adverse possession is harder following the Land Registration Act but you would think if we had loads of houses sitting vacant the homeless problem would solve itself.

Bah! Tradesmen aren't the gobshites; the government is. Every year they make hardworking Joes like Amazon pay income taxes. And for what? Aid to ungrateful foreigners, do-nothing nuclear missiles, tomb polish for some unknown warrior.

Don't even get my started on that soon-to-be-implemented porn block. When has a plumber ever demanded that you verify your age through some third-party company before you can wank off? Never is when. They won't even let you tell them about your sexual kinks voluntarily.
>> No. 59714 YubYub
28th January 2018
Sunday 5:49 pm
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The lib Dems did some research on this:

More than 11,000 homes across the UK have been empty for 10 years or more, research by the Liberal Democrats has found.

The figures, from 276 local councils, show there are more than 216,000 homes across the country which have been empty for six months or more. Durham had the most empty homes (6,500) followed by Leeds (5,724), Bradford (4,144), Cornwall (3,273) and Liverpool (3,093).


Basically, we need to tell our tramps to go and squat in Cornwall. The weather is nice for them and they won't look out of place with all the surfer bums.

I mean, I know they're homeless and all but sending them to a northern shithole would be just plain cruel.
>> No. 59715 Auntiefucker
28th January 2018
Sunday 6:00 pm
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Problem is, if all the tramps squat in the same place then there aren't enough people with jobs to give them money.
>> No. 59716 Billbob
28th January 2018
Sunday 6:05 pm
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Never mind the homeless, I'd pay good money for that kind of list. Imagine having a nice little holiday home that in 10 years you get to officially keep hold of or a swanky place to crash in every city.

Why, we could even take hold of one of those empty castles and turn it into a .gs fort. Let's see them try and evict us from one of those!
>> No. 59717 Paedofag
28th January 2018
Sunday 8:24 pm
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>Why, we could even take hold of one of those empty castles and turn it into a .gs fort. Let's see them try and evict us from one of those!

I knew this whole thing was going to end in a stand off. Someone get Gazza on the blower!
>> No. 59718 Anonymous
28th January 2018
Sunday 9:10 pm
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Tell him corn and beans with the family bucket. Their "gravy" is literally shite.
>> No. 59719 Searchfag
28th January 2018
Sunday 10:56 pm
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Do a freedom of information request. Freedom means they're free.
>> No. 59721 Billbob
29th January 2018
Monday 9:32 am
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Only in the smelly nerd sense of the word.
>> No. 59754 R4GE
30th January 2018
Tuesday 6:42 pm
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The Need for Housing
1. The UK has a housing crisis. Put simply there are too many people chasing too few homes. In 2004
the Barker Review estimated that 240,000 additional homes needed to be built in the UK every year to
cope with demand. However, in the last ten years an average of just 165,000 have been built (find the
latest statistics on house building here).
2. The House of Lords Select Committee on Economic Affairs has now concluded that 300,000 new homes
would be needed annually in the UK. The government has committed to building one million new homes
across the UK by 2020, which the House of Lords Committee said ‘will not be enough’.
What is driving demand for housing?
3. The Department for Communities and Local Government make projections about the future growth
in the number of households in England. Their latest statistics project that if net migration to England
was to continue at 233,000 a year (it is currently 300,000 and has averaged 208,000 in the last ten years),
then 240,000 new homes will be needed each year for the next 25 years to keep up with demand, 45% of
which will be due to future migration. We will therefore need to build one home every five minutes just
to house future migrants and their children.
4. However, these DCLG projections only account for the impact of future migration. The existing migrant
population - who number 8.4 million in England – will also be driving future household formation but
this has been misleadingly designated as ‘natural change’ among the existing population as a whole
rather than as also partly due to previous migration. (To read our paper on the impact of immigration on
housing demand in England see here)
5. The demand for housing is closely related to the number of households (a household can vary from
one person living alone to a family with children or a group of unrelated people sharing a common
space like a kitchen or living room). Household formation depends on changes in the population’s agestructure,
social changes including trends in cohabitation, marriage and divorce, and the birth and death
rates. It is also influenced by the availability and cost of housing. For much of the 20th century the
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number of households rose faster than the population and the average household size fell. However,
recently average household size has changed very little so population growth is now the key factor
driving household growth (see here).
6. One way of measuring the impact of immigration on housing is to look at the additional number of
households formed that are headed by an immigrant. There is wide variation in the size of immigrant
households but, on average, household size tends to be greater amongst the non-UK born and they are
also more likely to live in overcrowded conditions. So, person for person, immigrants have required less
housing than those born in the UK.
7. However, official Labour Force Survey data shows that over the last ten years 90% of the additional
households created in England were headed by a person born outside the UK. That is 1.1 million
additional homes out of 1.2 million between 2005 and 2015. In London in the last ten years, all of the
additional households have been headed up by someone born overseas. 
8. That is not to imply that most newly built housing is occupied by migrants, indeed many migrant
households move into existing urban areas. The majority of new migrants to the UK, live in the private
rented sector and that sector has grown as the migrant population has grown. Indeed in 2015 there were
2.2 million more households in private rented accommodation in England compared to 2000 and almost
half of all private rented households in England now have a non-UK born heads of household, compared
to one quarter in 2000. (Link to new paper)
9. Over time patterns of accommodation change and migrants who have been in the UK for a long time
are likely to have similar levels of home ownership to the UK born.
The impact of the housing shortage
10. The UK’s housing shortage has a huge impact on people’s lives. High housing costs in many parts of
the country take a large portion of their income. The English Housing Survey found that 43% of income
is spent on housing costs amongst those in the private rental market and for those living in London, the
average rent is over 70% of the main householder’s income.
11. For some young people the high cost of renting means that they have to spend longer living in house
shares or with their parents and some families are forced to live in overcrowded conditions or move away
from their local area to find suitable accommodation that they can afford. 
12. Young people who are having to spend a significant proportion of their income on rent are finding
it more difficult to save for a deposit and for many young people high house prices are ruling out the
prospect of home ownership. The percentage of 25-34 year olds who own their own home, either
outright or with a mortgage has fallen from 59% in 2003/04 to around 38% in 2015/16. This fall mirrors
the reduction in the number of first time buyers in England. (Link to new paper). Home ownership
amongst all age groups is now at its lowest level since 1984 and has fallen from 68% in 2005 to 62% in
13. A recent survey conducted by the housing and homelessness charity Shelter found that 59% of 18-
44 year olds were expecting to have to put their life on hold in some way due to housing problems. This
includes one in five who were putting off having children or would in the future delay having children,
and one in six who had postponed marriage. (To see more results from this poll click here)
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14. The high cost of living can also trap people in areas with low housing costs and fewer opportunities
by pricing them out of areas with higher housing costs.
>> No. 59755 Anonymous
30th January 2018
Tuesday 6:49 pm
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15. The social housing sector, which provides accommodation at below market rents, is overwhelmed.
Very large waiting lists (1.18 million families were on the social housing waiting list at the last count (year
ending April 2016)) mean that only those deemed most in need will ever get allocated a social home. The
number of people on social housing waiting lists has fallen in recent years, they reached a peak of over
1.8 million in 2012, however this is because the Localism Act, introduced in 2011 gave local authorieies
the power to amend the qualification criteria. In an attempt to limit the numbers on waiting lists many
councils introduced a local connection condition and as such many families were removed from the
waiting list. (For more on this see here)
16. There is a long standing controversy over the granting of social housing to immigrants. This has
not been helped by local authorities’ reluctance to publish the relevant information. Some immigrant
groups have very low use of social housing whereas others are more likely to be in social housing than
the UK born. There is absolutely nothing in the rules that states that immigrants should get preferential
treatment and the Localism Act 2011 allows local authorities to bar applicants from joining the waiting
list if they cannot demonstrate a local connection, such as living in the area for at least two years.
However, priority for social housing is largely determined by need so some ‘high need’ immigrant families
will gain access to housing over longer standing local residents deemed to be of lower need. This can be
17. Between 2000 and 2015 the number of UK born households in social housing in London fell by around
100,000 meanwhile the number of non-UK born in social housing increased by around 80,000. Indeed,
almost half of all social housing in London is now headed by someone born abroad, up from 36% in 2000.
For this trend to have occurred, it seems likely that the majority of new lets of social housing made when
a property becomes available have been going to immigrant households.
The impact on London
18. Nowhere is the housing crisis more apparent than London. Its population has grown by over one
million in the past decade and now stands at 8.8 million and is projected to keep growing to over 10
million by 2030. This growth is entirely down to immigration (see here). Despite being presented as
a success story, London loses more people each year to elsewhere in the UK than any other region of
the country and one of the primary reasons for those aged in their 30s and 40s is the cost of housing.
The number of households headed by persons born in the UK has actually fallen since 2000 (see here).
Waiting lists for social housing in the capital almost doubled between 2000 and 2012 but have since
fallen due to the 2011 Localism Act. Close to half of all social housing in the capital is now headed by
someone who was born abroad.
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19. In the short term the UK needs to build more homes. In the future, any housing strategy must
address both supply and demand. Immigration is a major part of housing demand. Unless net migration is
reduced to a manageable and sustainable level a large house building programme will have to continue
indefinitely, with all the costs and loss of amenities involved.
Updated January 2018
>> No. 59756 Anonymous
30th January 2018
Tuesday 7:29 pm
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Immigrants tend to be the main occupants of HMOs. Instead of building 240,000 homes all we really need to do is build 30,000 and let landlords convert them into HMOs for 8 people each. Problem solved.
>> No. 59757 Paedofag
30th January 2018
Tuesday 8:14 pm
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>> No. 59822 Moralfag
8th February 2018
Thursday 5:18 pm
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>This couple had been sleeping rough on the streets of Hull - but now they have a home to call their own


Tramps wearing Ralph Lauren, what is the world coming to? Moved into their new house last Friday and they've been seen since throughout the week begging on the streets.
>> No. 59823 Moralfag
8th February 2018
Thursday 5:31 pm
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Homelessness is a very difficult mindset to break out of. Long term homeless find it very difficult to acclimatise to society. Begging is probably less intimidating than having to deal with the anxiety of entering the workplace. They'll be given a social worker who will try and support them to get out of this mindset, but it's a habit which is ingrained in their psyche and it'll require time and understanding.

Also, the free clothes homeless people can get access to through shelters, etc, are donated by the public. I fail to see the significance of a homeless man wearing a designer t-shirt if he was given it by a middle-aged Vicar's wife at a hostel out of one of the T-shirt boxes labelled in his size.
>> No. 59824 Auntiefucker
8th February 2018
Thursday 5:51 pm
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I think he just needs to wash his hair and shave his beard, to be honest.
>> No. 59825 Paedofag
8th February 2018
Thursday 6:08 pm
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That's because you're on /iq/ and because you don't understand that LTH people need to be weaned off the streets and completely rehabilitated to function in society.
>> No. 59899 Anonymous
25th February 2018
Sunday 5:02 pm
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>ALL the beggars in an entire UK city are fraudsters making 'substantial money', claims police force

>People begging are not homeless and are actually making 'substantial money' by preying on people's charity, police have said. The claim was made as part of a crackdown on begging in Ely, Cambridgeshire, after the city experienced a spike in people out on the streets.

>Police said that all people seen begging in the city have been catered for with "housing and support".


I don't get the mentality of the unhomeless beggar. I mean, my office job might be fairly mindless but it's warm, it's dry and some of the lassies I work with have right prime arses.
>> No. 59900 YubYub
25th February 2018
Sunday 5:25 pm
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Crack is quite expensive.
>> No. 59901 Paedofag
25th February 2018
Sunday 5:27 pm
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Wouldn't it be easier just to go on the Rob?
>> No. 59903 YubYub
25th February 2018
Sunday 5:36 pm
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If the reports are to be believed you can make a decent amount of money from it, it's tax free, you choose your own hours. So if you have the skills (ability to look sad, lack of shame) then it's far easier and more lucrative than a vast majority of jobs on the market.

I think if you have a brass neck it's probably the best 'job' you can have, and it's not even a job.
>> No. 59904 Ambulancelad
25th February 2018
Sunday 6:54 pm
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The government should legalise it, regulate it and tax it. Same with prostitution.

I'd happily give money to an accredited beggar, safe in the knowledge that if they're coining it in then HMRC will be on the case.
>> No. 60659 Moralfag
29th April 2018
Sunday 7:15 am
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>Karen Matthews, who faked the kidnapping of her nine-year-old daughter, has been accused of selling food donated to people living on the street.

>The 43-year-old regularly visits a Pret A Manger store and is given unsold sandwiches on the understanding she takes them to a soup kitchen. But after loading the food into bags and a trolley it is claimed she sells what she can to the homeless and puts the rest in her fridge, the Sunday Mirror reported.

>Friend said Matthews sells the beggars food because she thinks they were 'wrong 'uns'.

>'Karen is shameless – she just doesn't see that it's wrong,' a source told the paper. 'She says the staff at Pret let her pick up the unsold stock at the end of their shifts on the understanding she takes it to charity. But she has seen a way of lining her pockets. It's all part of the way she lives her life. Even though she has been in prison she still sees herself as above the homeless people she is scamming because she has a nice flat, a plasma screen TV and a much better existence than them.'

>Matthews does not like the food but keeps in the fridge of her state-funded flat because it made her look 'posh', the source said. Matthews even boasted about sending pictures of the snacks to friends.

>The Sunday Mirror said it witnessed her entering Pret after closing time on two occasions, later leaving with a loaded trolley and full carrier bags.


Karen Matthews showing entrepreneurial spirit by out-tramping the tramps.
>> No. 60660 Samefag
29th April 2018
Sunday 1:36 pm
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I don't know what's worse, her doing that, or the fact the Mirror sent someone out to watch her do it.
>> No. 60661 Anonymous
29th April 2018
Sunday 3:34 pm
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I reckon the worst part is her filling her fridge with Pret sandwiches and taking pictures of them to show off to her friends because she thinks it looks posh.

It's poverty of ambition.
>> No. 60662 Billbob
29th April 2018
Sunday 3:54 pm
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Look at what happened the last time she had an ambitious idea.
>> No. 60663 Crabkiller
29th April 2018
Sunday 5:27 pm
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If you think about what Karen Matthews did, it's actually quite smart.

There are absolutely loads of people who feel trapped in their lives with no way out, perhaps millions, who would give anything for a fresh start and to reset their life.

Karen Matthews was one of those people. Not anymore.

Poor life choices meant that she had little option but to spend the rest of her days stuck on a shithole estate in Dewsbury, surrounded by her annoying bastard kids that she was so sick of she used to give them sedatives so she could get some peace and lumbered with her boyfriend who did things like trying to overdose from taking calpol because he was absolutely as thick as pigshit.

Karen saw a way out. It cost her just over three years of her life in prison but now she's free. Her worries and responsibilities gone. She's care-free. She doesn't have to put up with those bastard kids day in, day out. She's Livin' la vida loca.

Even if the plan worked it wouldn't have been the end of the world as the reward money could have been used to shut her kids up with PS4s and massive fuck-off tellys, with enough left over for a slap up holiday.
>> No. 60664 Crabkiller
29th April 2018
Sunday 6:33 pm
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Karen essentially lacks morality and has some crafty ideas. Most people wouldn't have thought about the possible financial rewards of hiding your kid and saying she's gone missing, or indeed selling sandwiches to the homeless.

She perhaps lacked the quick thinking or planning skills that would have allowed her to get away with it, but as sociopaths go, she's certainly not the least creative. I can respect that.

If she'd been born to a higher station, or had a more rounded education, there's no doubt she'd have been operating some higher level scams, maybe a ponzi scheme or even a successful child kidnapping heist, instead she's resigned to desperately trying to claw her way out of what she knows is a social tier that amounts to a dead-end.

What I'm trying to say is that I blame maggie thatcher.
>> No. 60667 Anonymous
29th April 2018
Sunday 6:37 pm
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>> No. 60668 YubYub
30th April 2018
Monday 12:56 am
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I hear a job has just come up in the Home Office.
>> No. 60669 Anonymous
30th April 2018
Monday 6:44 am
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I really don't understand the storm in the teacup over this. She's resigned because the home office has targets for deporting illegal immigrants. The home office has always had targets for deporting illegal immigrants, including when new labour were in power.
>> No. 60670 Billbob
30th April 2018
Monday 8:25 am
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>She's resigned because the home office has targets for deporting illegal immigrants
She's resigned because she told Parliament otherwise. Anyway, I thought the old targets were for time whereas these were for numbers.
>> No. 60671 Auntiefucker
30th April 2018
Monday 12:10 pm
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She told parliament there weren't any targets and lied about knowing about them when they were revealed.

Windrush immigrants aren't illegals either, so the implication is they took advantage of the fact they are well documented and easy to find to pad out deportation numbers.
>> No. 60672 Paedofag
30th April 2018
Monday 12:56 pm
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People can't be illegal. Stop perpetuating the hostile environment.
>> No. 60673 Paedofag
30th April 2018
Monday 1:35 pm
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Your mum is a hostile environment iykwim.
>> No. 60674 Are Moaty
30th April 2018
Monday 1:52 pm
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They can immigrate illegally, though, hence the term.
>> No. 60675 R4GE
30th April 2018
Monday 2:23 pm
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Yeah but hardly anyone does that here. Being a small island tends to make that difficult.
>> No. 60676 Moralfag
30th April 2018
Monday 5:04 pm
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Isn't that most of Theresa May's doing, though?
>> No. 60677 YubYub
30th April 2018
Monday 5:25 pm
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You think May possessed the home secretary and made her lie, perpetuate more lies and cover up the truth?
>> No. 60678 Anonymous
30th April 2018
Monday 5:37 pm
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I have a lot of shit on at work. If someone asked me a specific question I may not know the answer off the top of my head. It's basically human error. She's not satan.
>> No. 60679 Are Moaty
30th April 2018
Monday 5:51 pm
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No it isn't, the Tory Chairman confirmed he has discussed it with her and she knew about the targets. Also, it isn't human error. That isn't how Govt works, the civil service runs things and brief ministers on pertinent information. All of her ministerial aids would have briefed her before the inquest. Whatever way you chose to slice it, she chose to lie about it.
>> No. 60680 Anonymous
30th April 2018
Monday 6:24 pm
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It wasn't casual conversation. It was statements to the House and to a Select Committee. These are things you're supposed to meticulously prepare for so human error isn't really an excuse.
>> No. 60840 Ambulancelad
13th June 2018
Wednesday 7:47 pm
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Oxford University proctors have suggested that the large number of homeless people in the city is due to students’ generosity.

The city has one of the largest populations of rough sleepers outside London and the most recent data show the number has almost doubled in the past year.

In a letter to students, largely about rowdy behaviour after final year exams, three proctors said: “Oxford’s students have a highly developed social conscience, as is evident from the number of homeless people who come to seek assistance in this city.”


There we have it, be nice to tramps and they'll multiply.
>> No. 60841 Moralfag
13th June 2018
Wednesday 9:30 pm
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Common bloody sense though isn't it? If you're a panhandler why waste time plying your trade in an area where the locals are tighter than a walnut's arse?

San Francisco has become notorious for its homeless population since the local authorities go easy on them and there are plenty of well-remunerated techies to throw money at them out of , I dunno, capitalist-guilt or whatever you call it.
>> No. 60842 Samefag
13th June 2018
Wednesday 10:17 pm
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Yeah, fuck studies or statistical analysis, the opinion of a couple of elitist farts will suffice as newsworthy.
>> No. 60843 R4GE
13th June 2018
Wednesday 10:22 pm
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Don't be silly. There's no actual studies into whether we should give money to tramps on the streets or if we should ignore them instead as otherwise it's reinforcing negative behaviour.
>> No. 60844 Ambulancelad
13th June 2018
Wednesday 11:30 pm
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Then maybe these proctors should conduct one instead of making stuff up.
>> No. 60845 Billbob
14th June 2018
Thursday 12:03 am
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My initial thought was surely someone has done the research, but right you are - I couldn't find a shred of evidence. There are a couple of fairly weak studies suggesting that the enforcement of vagrancy laws might be beneficial if they're part of a broader strategy of assertive outreach. A fair proportion of homelessness agencies support the idea that giving to beggars entrenches homelessness and addiction, but it's all anecdotal.


>> No. 60846 YubYub
14th June 2018
Thursday 5:32 am
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It's one of those things which is probably seen as so unpalatable and sensitive that anyone who cares for their reputation daren't do it.

If a study conclusively proved that you shouldn't donate to street folk, either because they're beggars just pretending to be homeless or because it enables them to continue their negative spiral instead of obtaining the proper support they need, then you can imagine the uproar from the bleeding hearts and the hand-wringers who are more concerned with dogma and feelings than facts.
>> No. 60847 Billbob
14th June 2018
Thursday 10:00 am
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The very nature of homelessness means it's basically impossible to conduct such a study. I don't think the moral or political implications come into it, it's more just how the fuck do you measure that, short of tagging the homeless like endangered rhinos and observing them from the bushes.
>> No. 60850 Are Moaty
14th June 2018
Thursday 4:33 pm
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if the job comes with a tranq dart gun I'll do it
>> No. 60851 Searchfag
16th June 2018
Saturday 1:53 am
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>she had little option but to spend the rest of her days stuck on a shithole estate in Dewsbury

I live on the same estate and it's a nice quiet place with friendly neighbours.
>> No. 60852 Ambulancelad
16th June 2018
Saturday 6:05 am
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Is it the estate that's near the Cheap R Us furniture shop, which may or may not have slave labourers working in the back?

It's a shithole, mate. Pretty much everywhere in Dewsbury is.
>> No. 61877 Anonymous
6th November 2018
Tuesday 7:31 pm
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A homeless Army veteran suffered leg injuries after a youth allegedly put a lit firework in his pocket and said "have a sparking good night mate".


Have a sparking good night! What a top lad!
>> No. 61878 Ambulancelad
6th November 2018
Tuesday 8:31 pm
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Best thing to ever happen to the lad. He'll get ten grand from GoFundMe and he'll be swimming in drugs for a few months at least.
>> No. 61879 Crabkiller
6th November 2018
Tuesday 9:01 pm
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He should have told him he had a rocket in his pocket.
>> No. 61957 Samefag
15th November 2018
Thursday 5:12 pm
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>The New Jersey couple who became famous for raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for a homeless man after he helped with their disabled car — as did the homeless man himself — will all face charges for allegedly providing a false story in order to raise money for themselves, a source familiar with the case told NBC10.

>Mark D'Amico, Kate McClure and Johnny Bobbitt will face charges including conspiracy and theft by deception, according to the source. Investigators say the three deliberately prevented donors for their GoFundMe campaign from gaining information "that would affect their judgment about solicited contribution to that fundraising effort."

>The three initially gained fame in 2017. The couple claimed Bobbitt used $20 to help McClure get gas when her car ran out on Interstate 95 in Philadelphia. McClure and D'Amico then launched a GoFundMe page to supposedly raise money for Bobbitt, and the page brought in over $400,000 from 14,000 contributors.


You know, it's a surprise more homeless people haven't cottoned on to the fact they should give up street begging and should instead try coming up with a bogus tear-jerking story to get shitloads of money via gofundme.
>> No. 61958 Searchfag
15th November 2018
Thursday 5:36 pm
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It's a surprise to you that people living on the streets haven't put much thought into running a gofundme page?
>> No. 61959 Anonymous
15th November 2018
Thursday 6:22 pm
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Yes. They're crafty little scamps.

This one made up a story and got $400,000 for it. You'd be foolish not to.
>> No. 61960 Searchfag
15th November 2018
Thursday 6:24 pm
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You don't have to live on the streets to be homeless.
>> No. 61961 Ambulancelad
15th November 2018
Thursday 10:12 pm
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That statement is so boldly contradictory on the surface. It could come from an obnoxious Tumblr blog punctuated with clap emoji.
>> No. 61962 Samefag
16th November 2018
Friday 12:26 am
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Nah m8, think about it for a minute. There are thousands of people living in homeless hostels, sofa surfing, squatting, living in tents, cars and lock-ups etc. They might not be living on the streets, but they're homeless by any reasonable definition of the word.
>> No. 61964 Ambulancelad
16th November 2018
Friday 3:01 am
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Imagine regarding the statutory definition enacted by Margaret Thatcher as radical left social justice fodder. Sort yourself out.
>> No. 61965 Crabkiller
16th November 2018
Friday 5:15 am
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but it helps!
>> No. 61966 R4GE
16th November 2018
Friday 7:10 pm
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I don't. Maybe if your knee stopped jerking you'd actually be able to read well enough to comprehend what I said.
>> No. 61967 Are Moaty
16th November 2018
Friday 7:57 pm
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A cunt-off and spite?

A great Britfa.gs night!
>> No. 61968 Moralfag
17th November 2018
Saturday 9:32 am
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Why don't tramps go and join hippy communes?
>> No. 61969 Ambulancelad
17th November 2018
Saturday 11:40 am
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Because it's not 1972 anymore.
>> No. 62686 YubYub
10th March 2019
Sunday 11:25 am
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>An adventurer and Guinness World Record holder has revealed that living on the UK's streets was 'more lucrative' than he imagined. Ed Stafford, a former army captain and amazon trekker, spent two months being homeless in Glasgow, Manchester, and London.

>He found that as well as gaining 11lb because passers-by kept giving him fast food, sandwiches, and burgers, he could also make up to £200 a night. After living without a roof over his head for Channel 4's series 60 Days on the Streets, which will be shown next week, Ed said that some parts were 'easier' than he expected.

>'I think I was shocked by the amount of food that was available,' he said. 'I thought I was going to lose loads of weight and it was going to be harder to physically survive - but in fact, there was an abundance of people wanting to help, in all three cities. In Glasgow, I witnessed 26 volunteers handing out food one night, and there were only two rough sleepers there. I even met one homeless man who complained the public 'overfeed' him.

>And begging seemed to be more lucrative than I ever imagined. It was common in London for people to make £100 to £200 in an evening, which is more than the average person earns in work.'

>One homeless man he accompanied in Manchester made £20 in 30 minutes when asking passers by for money for a hostel - although in reality it was to fund his crack cocaine addiction.

>Ed said he was most shocked by how resigned some homeless people were to their situation. 'I had assumed no one would want to be on the streets if they had a choice - but actually, some of the community prefer life on the streets living on one's wits, to one in temporary accommodation navigating the benefits system.'

>After being on the streets, Ed said he would not give directly to homeless people, but does believe they need a great deal more support to help them escape the situation.


At what point did the government realise that instead of helping homeless people it's easier to demonise them all as drug addicts or beggars raking it in, with an actual house to live in when they've finished their shift, so they are undeserving of help?
>> No. 62688 Samefag
10th March 2019
Sunday 11:57 am
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This is why there are often no quick fixes to ridding the streets of homeless people. Many have severe mental illness and substance abuse issues - they end up getting kicked out (or not accepted by) many of the places that could help them, it isn't as simple as not having a roof over their heads. I agree that its monstrous that people live on our streets, it is the only kind of charity I have ever supported, but fixing it is harder than it might first appear; doesn't mean we should give up on them.
>> No. 62689 Searchfag
10th March 2019
Sunday 12:05 pm
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The Daily Mail has always done that. Why are you linking to their site?
>> No. 62690 Moralfag
10th March 2019
Sunday 12:15 pm
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I've linked to the Daily Mail because that's where I read it; the only other organ with an article about Stafford's upcoming documentary is the Torygraph. There's no point really singling any one particular organisation out; although channel 5 have taken over the mantle of poverty porn channel 4 used to be the worst offenders for painting everyone on benefits as a workshy bastard and even the BBC have their own shows about whether people are deserving or undeserving poor, called either Saint or scrounger, striker or skiver, worker or shirker that's straight out the Tory rhetoric handbook.

The Mail should be taken with a pinch of salt, but it goes beyond this; it's clear government policy to cut the rehabilitation services for tramps and then demonise them for being druggies to reduce public support for spending money on actually helping them.
>> No. 62691 YubYub
10th March 2019
Sunday 12:34 pm
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People are charitable to those they perceive as less fortunate shocker.

Eagerly awaiting the Mail's next undercover exposé on food banks - the real cause of social injustice.
>> No. 62692 Moralfag
10th March 2019
Sunday 1:25 pm
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It's not that I think posters are incapable of taking the DM with a pinch of salt, I just object to driving any more traffic their way.
>> No. 62693 Paedofag
10th March 2019
Sunday 1:47 pm
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I doubt the three of us clicking on that link are going to make any dent on their numbers.
>> No. 62694 Billbob
10th March 2019
Sunday 1:48 pm
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>> No. 62695 Anonymous
10th March 2019
Sunday 2:53 pm
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We don't have one, if you CAche my drift.
>> No. 62696 Billbob
10th March 2019
Sunday 11:08 pm
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>some of the community prefer life on the streets living on one's wits, to one in temporary accommodation navigating the benefits system.'
Surely it should say something about how shite the benefits system is if anyone would prefer living on the streets to living in a kafka tribute novel by the DWP?
the most powerful force in life is inertia. If it's a reasonable guess that you're going to go homelesss > benefits > can't get a job fast enough > govt decides you're a scrounger and cuts benefits > homeless, why would you bother? That's a lot of upheaval just to live a shaggy dog story.
>> No. 62697 Crabkiller
10th March 2019
Sunday 11:18 pm
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The jobcentre truly is that useless. Even the well meaning advisers who want to help can only really show you a list of random jobs their local centre has in a file.

The fact that you can't sign on while homeless is entirely unforgivable to me - how the fuck do they expect that to work? I truly don't understand that policy. What's the reason for that, fear of fraud? There has to be a better way to solve that than to just simply not help anyone who's on the streets.
>> No. 62698 Searchfag
11th March 2019
Monday 7:07 am
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I know Mike Skinner quit performing, but I don't think he's fallen on that hard times.
>> No. 62820 Moralfag
23rd March 2019
Saturday 8:02 am
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EVIL Karen Matthews wants to offer Kate and Gerry help after watching the Netflix documentary The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been reported.

The twisted mum faked the disappearance of her own daughter, Shannon, in 2008 in a bid to claim a £50,000 reward. But pals say the 44-year-old is in "complete denial" over the ordeal, calling herself an innocent victim despite being found guilty and jailed for eight years.

After being inspired by the documentary about Madeleine, Matthews thinks she can start a business offering support to families whose children have gone missing, the Daily Star reports.

She even wants Kate and Gerry McCann to contact her for advice, an anonymous source has claimed. The source said: “She thinks she could advise couples who have missing kids. She also suggested starting a business doing it. And she thinks the first people she could help are Madeleine’s parents. And all because she boasts she has experience of children going missing.”

>> No. 62822 YubYub
23rd March 2019
Saturday 9:31 am
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Alright, fuck this, I'm selling my entirely made up stories about the dangerous cult of .gs to the papers. Apparently they'll print anything so who even cares.
>> No. 62823 Samefag
23rd March 2019
Saturday 9:44 am
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No, lad. It's Angela eagle mentioning us in parliament we want, not tabloid smut.
>> No. 62825 Are Moaty
23rd March 2019
Saturday 9:52 am
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Firstly, Eagle doesn't pay, secondly stories about Autiefuckers (who defo offed themselves after being goaded by .gs users) and erotic obsessions about MPs are tabloid smut. You made this bed, it's not my fault you've got to lie in it.
>> No. 62831 YubYub
23rd March 2019
Saturday 6:48 pm
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If you talk the talk but don't walk the walk then I'm going to call you a coward forevermore. If you can't get a story about this place in the press by the end of the month then you have failed.
>> No. 62832 Billbob
23rd March 2019
Saturday 7:22 pm
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Why do I get a horrible feeling I'll be seeing this comment again as the press blame it for encouraging "the atrocity"
>> No. 62834 Ambulancelad
23rd March 2019
Saturday 8:31 pm
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I'm telling the world about the crabs, and none of yous can stop me.
>> No. 62835 R4GE
23rd March 2019
Saturday 8:39 pm
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The crab killing happened so long ago that you'd probably have to re-enact it to provide tangible proof.
>> No. 62839 YubYub
23rd March 2019
Saturday 10:20 pm
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I'm not sure how telling the world you've got crabs is supposed to reflect on us, m7.
>> No. 62845 Searchfag
25th March 2019
Monday 7:53 am
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Cash-strapped London councils are paying private landlords more than £14m a year in “incentives” simply to persuade them to house homeless people, the Guardian can reveal.

The sweetener payments of up to £8,300 each were made to landlords more than 5,700 times in 2018 to house people who were either homeless or considered at risk of homelessness, freedom of information requests have revealed. The payouts are made in addition to rent and have been branded as ludicrous by housing campaigners and intolerable by councils.


Typical loony lefties. Get mad when London councils attempt to house people who can't afford to live in the capital elsewhere. Get mad when those councils then have to spend extortionate amounts of money housing people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in their boroughs.
>> No. 62846 YubYub
25th March 2019
Monday 7:58 am
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>those councils then have to spend extortionate amounts of money
Maybe you missed this bit?
>The payouts are made in addition to rent
Normally government payments are safe as houses, so if the government promises to pay the rent you shouldn't be asking for hazard money.
>> No. 62847 Billbob
25th March 2019
Monday 9:27 am
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I, for one, welcome our new Over-landlords.
>> No. 62848 YubYub
25th March 2019
Monday 12:47 pm
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What are you even on about?
>> No. 62856 Moralfag
25th March 2019
Monday 2:13 pm
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And the fact that those tenants pose a very real hazard..?
>> No. 62857 Ambulancelad
25th March 2019
Monday 2:20 pm
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A very real hazard of not being able to just Airbnb the place for five times the long-term rate
>> No. 62858 R4GE
25th March 2019
Monday 2:49 pm
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What's the hazard?
>> No. 62859 YubYub
25th March 2019
Monday 4:10 pm
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A significant proportion of homeless people - particularly long-term homeless people - have significant social care needs. They might have issues with drug or alcohol dependency, they might have chronic mental health issues, they might have behavioural issues, often they have all of the above. Some homeless people just need somewhere to live, but some are difficult to house. If you really set your mind to it, you can make a newly-refurbished flat into a completely uninhabitable shithole in a matter of days. That's the reason for the risk premium - there are a lot of tenants that landlords are simply unwilling to accommodate at market rents.
>> No. 62860 Moralfag
25th March 2019
Monday 4:47 pm
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That's all well and good, but the overwhelming majority of homeless people placed in temporary accommodation are the 'hidden homeless' who have been priced out of where they live.

Oh, well. At least we're not Americans.

>Twisted police officer who fed homeless man dog poo sandwich keeps job

>> No. 62864 Auntiefucker
25th March 2019
Monday 6:39 pm
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We need to glass that entire damned continent and I mean the Covenant kind not to pint kind.
>> No. 64315 YubYub
13th November 2019
Wednesday 5:58 pm
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Couple ‘Murdered Homeless Woman And Dumped Her Body In Bins So They Could Spend Her Benefits’


Imagine getting killed by grand day out era Wallace.
>> No. 64318 Auntiefucker
14th November 2019
Thursday 10:23 pm
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Imagine that bloke's neck pain after a windy day.
>> No. 64319 Are Moaty
15th November 2019
Friday 6:58 am
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Ohhhhhhh gromit, lad.
>> No. 65371 Crabkiller
6th May 2020
Wednesday 10:07 pm
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For curiosities sake I thought I'd look up what happened to the tramp in the OP. He was sent back to prison in January for breaching his bail conditions.


The last I can find of Stephen Jones/Draper (>>59257) is that they were unable to give him the six figure sums raised on the likes of GoFundMe because they were unable to trace him.
>> No. 65377 R4GE
7th May 2020
Thursday 8:45 am
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Coming from someone who works withe homeless, most of those mental health problems stem from drug use and while not perfect their are routes out of homelessness but they involve stop taking the drugs that pit them on the street in the first place, which for most is a non starter
>> No. 66682 Are Moaty
16th September 2020
Wednesday 2:11 pm
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The government promised in March that nobody who had lost income because of the pandemic would be forced out of their home, but at the end of this week the ban on evictions for renters (which was extended by four weeks in one of the government’s many summer U-turns) comes to an end just as coronavirus numbers start to rise again.

Thousands of people are at risk of becoming homeless. According to the housing charity Shelter 322,000 private renters, who were not in arrears before the pandemic, have since fallen behind on their rent. Many are in danger of automatic eviction if their case goes to court. Ministers have softened the blow by extending the notice period for evictions from up to three months to six months but this does not apply to those who were served notice to leave before August 29. And, of course, the “rule of six” will make it harder for those who do lose their home to stay with family and friends, raising the prospect that more will be forced on to the streets.

Labour has called for the ban on evictions to be extended until more financial support is offered to renters who have fallen into arrears. Tory MPs are also privately urging the government to announce a further extension. “This a disaster waiting to happen,” says one former cabinet minister. “They’re either going to have do another U-turn or there will be a shocking rise in homelessness. My worry is that we’ve shown it’s possible to get everyone off the streets during the Covid crisis so if homelessness goes up now people will know it’s as a consequence of the government’s actions.”


There we have it in black and white - the government could prevent homelessness if they really wanted to.
>> No. 66683 YubYub
16th September 2020
Wednesday 3:06 pm
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>the government could prevent homelessness if they really wanted to.

This has always been the case.
>> No. 66684 Crabkiller
16th September 2020
Wednesday 3:07 pm
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It will all be forgotten about, and nothing much will change.
>> No. 66685 Ambulancelad
16th September 2020
Wednesday 3:38 pm
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Tories clearly thinking it doesn't matter because homeless people can't register to vote.
>> No. 66687 YubYub
16th September 2020
Wednesday 5:30 pm
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Nothing ever changes.
>> No. 66688 Searchfag
16th September 2020
Wednesday 5:47 pm
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Homeless people can register to vote, there's no need to tell porkies. Granted, the long-term homeless usually have the kind of issues that make voting less of a priority to them.
>> No. 66689 Paedofag
16th September 2020
Wednesday 10:02 pm
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This line is just amazing.
>> No. 66690 Ambulancelad
16th September 2020
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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>> No. 66691 Moralfag
16th September 2020
Wednesday 10:15 pm
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Oh? I thought you needed an address. How do you register if you're sleeping rough? Who is your MP when you have no fixed abode?
>> No. 66692 Paedofag
16th September 2020
Wednesday 10:29 pm
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You need an address, but you can perfectly legally use the address of a homeless hostel, a day centre, or even something like "The Bins Behind Currys, High Street". As long as a postman can find you, it's a valid address. Most homeless people aren't registered to vote, but most are claiming benefits and often have to give an unconventional address in order to do so.
>> No. 66693 Are Moaty
17th September 2020
Thursday 12:19 am
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Bring to bear the full weight of a sharpened blade descending along wooden runners, having been suspended and released from a rope. Comrades.
>> No. 66980 YubYub
20th October 2020
Tuesday 2:33 pm
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I don't get how there's a housing crisis when everywhere I look there's new build developments. There'll be no green spaces left soon round here.
>> No. 66981 Anonymous
20th October 2020
Tuesday 3:30 pm
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This is why.

>> No. 66982 Anonymous
20th October 2020
Tuesday 3:56 pm
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I don't see the point in building affordable homes. It just lowers the tone for the rest of the neighbourhood; you'd end up living near the type of person who has a hot tub in their back garden.

Surely it's better to raise standards and build better houses across the board. Then the houses at the bottom of the chain become the 'affordable' houses when everyone else moves up. Raise standards rather than lowering them to the lowest common denominator.
>> No. 66983 Anonymous
20th October 2020
Tuesday 4:25 pm
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>Surely it's better to raise standards and build better houses across the board.

You'd think so. A lot of these are shoddy finishes, know a few people who've moved into them last year and ended up with a long list of problems. The amount of new builds going up in the south west alone too is staggering, and it's all just a cash grab.
>> No. 66984 Moralfag
20th October 2020
Tuesday 5:09 pm
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>build better houses across the board. Then the houses at the bottom of the chain become the 'affordable' houses when everyone else moves up

I don't know where to begin with this. Are you by any chance one of the lads who was posting in /b/ that people who don't like their job just aren't putting in enough effort to get a better one?
>> No. 66985 Ambulancelad
20th October 2020
Tuesday 5:53 pm
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The new build council house my Mum moved into is better quality than the new build Barratt home my Dad lives in. It's not as big, but it's built to some lofty EU housing standards and has a ground source heat pump central heating system as opposed to the dual fuel gas/electric one.

They're both 2 bedrooms and they both have driveways, only difference is that my Mum lives in a 4 in block flat and has a slightly smaller garden.

My own anecdotal experience with them is that her house holds heat better as well and the Kitchen being bigger, although the units and worktops are lower quality in her council house than in my Dad's.

If the ones Councils are building are of the same relative quality as the ones everyone else are building, then it's the market that's fucked. Which we all know it is.
>> No. 66986 Searchfag
20th October 2020
Tuesday 6:00 pm
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Oh, lad. Think it through.

I build one house. That means there is one extra house in the housing supply. It doesn't matter if it's a nice house or an affordable house; the housing stock increases by one either way.

If you build a nice house it may be out of the reach of a first time buyer but, guess what, another house will be sold to fund the purchase of the nice house and that may be affordable to the first time buyers.

You have increased the housing stock by one but instead of building a shitty house you've built a nice house that someone can aspire to trade up to. Put a shitty house on a nice new estate and you're lowering the tone for everyone else plus you'd be treated with disdain as the token poor people. let these people buy the house that's put on the market to fund others further up the ladder moving into the nice house; each neighbourhood should better reflect the social status of the respective buyers.

Aspiration is so much better than envy. Demand better. Build better. Be better. Raise standards for everyone.
>> No. 66987 Ambulancelad
20th October 2020
Tuesday 6:17 pm
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>Raise standards for everyone.
Which standards? Define nice house?
>> No. 66988 Are Moaty
20th October 2020
Tuesday 7:12 pm
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One that's not shit.
>> No. 66989 Moralfag
20th October 2020
Tuesday 9:55 pm
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Have you seen the state of the new-builds they charge £400,000 for these days? They're made of paper mache and half finished. Anyone sensible about property is buying an old house, not one of those piss poor pokey little copy/paste suburb cubes.

What you fail to account for is that like in every aspect of business, there's no need to improve quality if it's a seller's market. you can just rinse people with impunity regardless. someone needs to sell good quality AND affordable houses to bring genuine competition back to the market.
>> No. 66990 Anonymous
20th October 2020
Tuesday 10:25 pm
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That's a huge fucking "may", lad.
>> No. 66991 Ambulancelad
21st October 2020
Wednesday 8:01 am
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Seeing as we just can't escape the tramp in the OP, it's good to know there were no officers around Manchester arena to challenge the bomber because they'd gone on a two hour lunch break to get a kebab.

>> No. 67760 Are Moaty
30th December 2020
Wednesday 9:45 pm
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Have tramps built up a resistance to coronavirus?
>> No. 67761 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 10:12 pm
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Send your mum to walk through the ER and let us know.
>> No. 67762 R4GE
31st December 2020
Thursday 12:34 am
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Universal access to publishing was a mistake.
>> No. 67763 Billbob
31st December 2020
Thursday 1:27 am
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What the fuck is an 'er'?
>> No. 67764 R4GE
31st December 2020
Thursday 8:49 am
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It is human.
>> No. 67765 Anonymous
31st December 2020
Thursday 8:59 am
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No that's Err
>> No. 67766 Searchfag
31st December 2020
Thursday 9:14 am
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Or is it dancer?
>> No. 67767 YubYub
31st December 2020
Thursday 10:04 am
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>> No. 67768 Samefag
31st December 2020
Thursday 10:10 am
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I saw the link and thought it'd be sufficiently batshit to post here. A lass I know who is a complete fruitloop posted it on social media - she works in Young adult mental health services. Then again, at least half the people I know who who work in mental health are absolute mentalists.
>> No. 67843 YubYub
13th January 2021
Wednesday 10:46 pm
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>The Covid-19 vaccine has been given to homeless people in Oldham - in the first scheme of its kind in the UK aimed at protecting rough sleepers and those living in shelters from the virus. Oldham Council and local GPs decided the town’s homeless people should be made a priority group to get the vaccine at the start of the rollout.


Now I may be wrong, but injecting tramps with needles doesn't seem like a good idea.
>> No. 67844 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 10:52 pm
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What else are you going to inject them with?
>> No. 67845 Searchfag
13th January 2021
Wednesday 10:58 pm
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>> No. 67846 Crabkiller
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:07 pm
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Thanks Nelson but how will you inject them without needles?
>> No. 67847 Paedofag
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:11 pm
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You could put the vaccine into sweets, like haliborange.
>> No. 67848 Are Moaty
14th January 2021
Thursday 12:28 am
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Up the arse.
>> No. 67849 Moralfag
15th January 2021
Friday 12:26 am
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Turns out we can replace them with a load of Filipinos instead.

>> No. 69103 Anonymous
3rd July 2021
Saturday 9:21 am
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>Councils in England are spending five times more on housing homeless people in B&Bs than they were a decade ago, as the numbers of people needing to be put up in temporary accommodation soars, analysis of official figures shows.

>Shortage of suitable housing means councils spent £142m on B&Bs in 2019-20, up from £27m in 2010, according to the Local Government Association (LGA). Over the same period, the numbers of people housed annually in B&Bs rose from 2,310 to 10,510 – a 350% increase.


Imagine going to stay in a B&B and it's full of tramps.
>> No. 69104 Are Moaty
3rd July 2021
Saturday 9:27 am
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>We routinely hear from people trapped in B&Bs, where the rooms are so crowded they must share a bed with their children
Amazing. Even in North Korean concentration camps where they send "three generation" prisoners, they give them two rooms per family.
>> No. 69105 YubYub
3rd July 2021
Saturday 2:05 pm
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Don't have to imagine anything, there's a load of B&Bs on a street near me and they're all packed with druggies. It really started during the pandemic when I assume the owners had to accept them to stay afloat unlike the nearby hotels. I imagine it's no end of fun.

The asylum seekers have their own B&B that's a little further down and off on a side street. I guess because they need to have their own space.

The enemies of capitalism must be reformed, lad. We cannot let their crimes against the people stand.
>> No. 69878 Anonymous
29th October 2021
Friday 10:23 am
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>A Teesside couple have lived in their car for over a month after claiming they are “homeless”. Parents Jade Wass and Jud Lennon Day resorted to begging for money after sleeping and eating in their motor - and going to the toilet by opening the car door.

>The Middlesbrough pair made the decision to relocate to Birmingham around four months ago but “weren’t settling” and decided to move back to Teesside. Jade and Jud left the city believing that they’d ended their tenancy agreement in their supported accommodation. They “upped and moved” back expecting to be housed but it appears there has been a mix-up with council accommodation.

>Each night, the pair park their Ford Focus on Redcar seafront and recline their seats back to make a bed for the evening. Jade, 26, said: “We haven't had access to water to have a wash, or go to the toilet, or nothing. We have human rights. We are vulnerable and have mental health problems. We have to open the car door and go to the toilet outside. We’ve got no shower so are just getting changed and not washed.”

>The couple also told how they have had to go in the sea to get washed despite the "freezing" temperatures. Jud added: “We’re having to s*** and p*** outside, we’ve got no facility to water, no facility to a toilet or a fridge to keep our food fresh. We’re having to eat meat that’s been in the heat in the car and it’s been tasting horrible.”

>The pair say that they have “had to sell things to get food” and have been handed leftovers by businesses. They’ve “rationed out” food by sometimes only eating one sandwich per day. “Sometimes we haven’t been eating at all,” Jade said. Jud, 33, added that they have also resorted to begging on the streets for food, money and hot water.

>The dad-of-two, who has “lived in Middlesbrough all his life”, told how he has been “driving all over” for the past four weeks. Jade reported how he has been “driving non-stop every day” which has caused “blisters" on his hands and feet. “I’ve driven 1,000 miles in a week,” Jud said. They claim they have spent between £20 and £30 in fuel each day.


It feels like 90% of their problems would go away if someone explained to them "stop being thickos, stop shitting out of your car door, stop wasting £30 a day on fuel when you're rationing one sandwich a day, there are places other than the sea to get a wash."
>> No. 69880 Billbob
29th October 2021
Friday 11:16 am
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Thick people are the last oppressed minority and talking about their plight is the last taboo. Nobody chooses to be a complete fucking dunce, but we live in a society where being thick pretty much guarantees you'll have a shit life and nobody seems to care.
>> No. 69881 YubYub
29th October 2021
Friday 1:29 pm
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Even my cat will walk into some bushes to take a shit. I'm not saying they should lick themselves out in public to save money on toilet paper but I'm not, not saying that.

Don't we put people like this into care?
>> No. 69882 Are Moaty
29th October 2021
Friday 1:29 pm
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I mean... The poor guy never stood a chance. This is definitely one of those names only inbred people get.


Along with the myth of meritocracy goes the implicit belief that to be a failure must mean some kind of moral or intellectual deficit, and therefore deserving of whatever befalls you.

I can only hope that as the economy crumbles and costs of living spiral, more middle class types begin to wake up and realise what a vicious ideology liberalism really is. It's only once Tarquin has to work at Tesco Express despite his first in archaeology, they might start to sympathise with those further down the ladder.
>> No. 69883 Ambulancelad
29th October 2021
Friday 1:54 pm
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Evidently not, which is probably >>69880's point.
>> No. 69884 YubYub
29th October 2021
Friday 2:37 pm
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It said they were in supported housing. Short of locking them in and removing any control over their own fuckwittery, what are you going to do?
The thick to deserve support, even after acts of self destructive thickery, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable for them to kip in their car for a bit if they want. I'd rather not go full poorhouse.
>> No. 69885 Moralfag
29th October 2021
Friday 3:46 pm
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According to Google there's a Morrisons in Redcar open 7am to 9pm about 300m from the beach, a Tesco about 400m away from that open 6am to midnight and an Asda a little further afield.

If you need to shit or piss do it there, don't just stick your arse out of the car. You could also use the sink afterwards to have a wash rather than using the North Sea for this purpose. If they went at the right time they could also get lots of reduced food rather than spending all the money they're not wasting on petrol on sweaty Billy bear ham.
>> No. 69886 R4GE
29th October 2021
Friday 3:56 pm
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You're telling me. Do you think this means they know what they're doing is ridiculous? Perhaps they have a phobia of supermarkets or a super-sexy car-pissing fetish that prevents them from living a normal life.
>> No. 69888 Anonymous
29th October 2021
Friday 4:57 pm
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>It said they were in supported housing. Short of locking them in and removing any control over their own fuckwittery, what are you going to do?

Offer them somewhere to stay? They were in supported housing, now they aren't and the council's homelessness department doesn't seem to be in any great hurry to sort it out. They aren't sleeping in their car for a laugh.
>> No. 69889 YubYub
29th October 2021
Friday 5:31 pm
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Sounds more like they moved without telling anyone and now it's everyone else's problem. Considering the amount of money (supposedly) spent on fuel they could rent a place.
>> No. 69890 R4GE
29th October 2021
Friday 5:59 pm
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Yes - but they're thickos. We have to stop assuming they'd do what we, mostly-non-thickos, would do.

Is it their fault they don't know how to think things through, or have we just been taught that everyone less intelligent than us deserves what that brings.
>> No. 69891 Auntiefucker
29th October 2021
Friday 6:21 pm
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>Sounds more like they moved without telling anyone and now it's everyone else's problem.

This pair clearly aren't capable of looking after themselves, so it really is everyone else's problem. We wouldn't have the same attitude if someone with dementia or down's syndrome disappeared from a care home.

Even if nobody knew that they had left or where they went (a sad indictment in itself), why did it take a month for anyone to notice a couple living in a car in what appears to be a fairly prominent location? Why was that person a muckraker from The Gazette rather than, you know, someone whose job is to help the homeless?

This blatant neglect of ARE JADE AND ARE JUD is pure thickism.
>> No. 69892 Anonymous
29th October 2021
Friday 7:33 pm
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No, but we could have sterilised them at least.


Have you ever worked at a local council?
>> No. 69893 Billbob
29th October 2021
Friday 9:44 pm
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I think there's an elephant in the room we're ignoring here- yOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A THICKO TO NOT KNOW WHERE TO FIND HELP.

wOULD ANY OF YOU LOT KNOW WHERE TO GO IF YOU WERE MADE HOMELESS? Where would your first port of call be? I'd imagine is more no than yes- A couple of you know, we've had threads on that sort of thing before, but if you're simply unaware of the resources on top of being a bit dim, you don't stand a chance.

Personally I'm the kind of person who's a bit too awkward and spergy to go in pubs I'm unfamiliar with, nevermind fathoming what government office I'm meant to just turn up at and say "hello, yes, I'm homeless, help please."
>> No. 69895 Are Moaty
29th October 2021
Friday 11:17 pm
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You make a valid point, but this sort of thing is infinitely harder if you're thick.

If I was at risk of homelessness and didn't know what to do, I'd Google "what to do if you become homeless". I'd be able to read, understand and remember the information I found. If I needed to phone the Shelter advice line or the council homelessness department, I'd be able to explain my situation and advocate for myself without sounding like a guest on Jeremy Kyle. If I needed to fill out some forms, I wouldn't need anyone to read or explain them for me. I understand what words like "involuntary", "accommodation" and "eligibility" mean. To a lot of people, the simplest of bureaucratic admin can be an insurmountable obstacle.

Problems like homelessness, redundancy or debt are daunting for everyone, but imagine how much of a nightmare they'd be if you were illiterate or innumerate.
>> No. 69897 R4GE
30th October 2021
Saturday 1:07 am
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I would go to any random council building and ask them to point me in the right direction. I would do this because I am aware that there are people whose job is to help people in that situation. If I'd had abusive parents, or abusive relationships, or just generally been a washout whom nobody ever respected in my whole life, for any reason, not just thickness, then I wouldn't expect help and I wouldn't ask anyone for it, because that's not how the world would work in my eyes. I don't think you even need to be thick to wind up like this.
>> No. 70112 YubYub
28th December 2021
Tuesday 8:05 pm
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>Under the policy introduced at the beginning of the first lockdown called Everyone In, the government found £105m to get England’s homeless people off the streets and into emergency accommodation to keep them safe from Covid-19.

>The idea behind Everyone In was to provide rough sleepers with accommodation; hopefully support, tailored to individual needs, would follow. But there is already a name for a policy that combines immediate housing with the crucial “wrap-around support” that should follow it: Housing First. In Britain, Housing First is still regarded as a radical model to end homelessness, but it shouldn’t be. It’s common sense. You house people, then address their complex needs, rather than tell them that if they manage to address behaviours such as addiction, they will qualify for housing.

>Housing First was developed in New York in the early 1990s, and has virtually ended rough sleeping in some states – Utah, for example, has reduced chronic homelessness by 91%. Meanwhile, in Finland Housing First has been an unqualified success since being introduced in 2007. Rough sleeping has been all but eradicated in the capital, Helsinki, where there remains only one night shelter, of 50 beds.

>In Britain we cannot measure the effectiveness of Housing First because we have been neither brave nor humane enough to trial it on a national level. But we can look at how successful our impromptu version of it was, and the fact is, we managed to get most of Britain’s rough sleepers housed within days. According to one study, the scheme saved an estimated 266 people from death in the first lockdown. Boris Johnson had won a huge majority only three months earlier and was terrified of his popular support being eroded by the prospect of homeless people dying on the streets in large numbers.

>But the concern over street homelessness did not last long. By June 2020 only 16 of the 46,687 deaths registered as Covid-related in England and Wales were identified as people who were homeless. The government reverted to type, and the homelessness crisis once again became a low priority. In February 2021, according to Shelter, 77% of the 37,430 people helped under the Everyone In banner were not living in settled accommodation (somewhere they could stay for at least six months); and almost one in four were no longer being accommodated at all. As for wraparound support (the second, vital, part of Housing First), the project did not last long enough and was insufficiently resourced (understandable in those chaotic days).

>This was a real opportunity to transform homelessness and British society. Johnson had a chance to steal a huge head start on his promise to eradicate street homelessness by May 2024, and he blew it. But as he’s shown throughout his career, he’s never given a tuppenny toss for his own pledges. Promises are simply there to be broken. As London mayor in 2009, he promised to “end rough sleeping in the capital by 2012”. By the time he left office, the number of homeless people on the street had more than doubled, from 3,673 to 7,500.

>As early as January 2021, Citizens Advice was already reporting that half a million people had gone into rent arrears during the pandemic, while a study by the debt charity StepChange in September showed that 225,000 people feared losing their homes. The ending of the £20 uplift in universal credit, and rocketing energy prices, make it even more likely that people will be turfed out of their homes. In summer, the Big Issue launched a Stop Mass Homelessness campaign, and last month it estimated that if the government pays off the £360m rent arrears accrued over the pandemic it could save £2.6bn in the long term by preventing homelessness.

>Last Tuesday the government announced that Everyone In would be reintroduced for rough sleepers this winter, as well as funding of £310m for councils to prevent vulnerable people from becoming homeless. At first glance, it looks great. But the reality is, it’s little more than a repeat of emergency pandemic measures. The risk is that it becomes another temporary fix, which falls off the priority list as soon as winter passes.

>Everyone In has already proved how simple it is to tackle rough sleeping. Now the government needs to go further. The countrywide introduction of Housing First (funded by central government) is in the interests of homeless people, the economy, society at large and Johnson himself.

>> No. 70113 Auntiefucker
28th December 2021
Tuesday 8:19 pm
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Do homeless people even vote?
>> No. 70114 Samefag
28th December 2021
Tuesday 9:22 pm
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They vote Tory. Nobody hates homeless people more than other homeless people.
>> No. 70115 Searchfag
28th December 2021
Tuesday 9:49 pm
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I remember this. There were smackheads all around where I was living at the time aggressively chasing cigarettes and money, or in one case a junkie with sores all over his face who was getting too close to everyone he saw and wanted to borrow my phone to ring his "mum". Then there was the woman who came into the supermarket without a mask on and started mock coughing everywhere because she was a cunt.

It's all a plot to bring in un-local people.
>> No. 70116 Searchfag
28th December 2021
Tuesday 10:24 pm
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A close friend spent time during the lockdown in one of these pop-up hostels. She was clearly the type of person who wasn't meant to be there, as stated by the staff, thus got preferential treatment and legitimate support and aftercare. My friend says the vast majority of people who came through this particular hostel were menaces - violent, ignorant addicts who'd drink and shoot up on the street. These people were users taking anything that would be handed to them. It was said a group of them had planned a secret camp to continue 'living free' over the summer - in tents, drinking all day, as they preffered it - before returning to any hostel available during the winter.
From this account of a small section of our locales homeless population, I was impressed that they are nothing but leaches I say as I sit here for the 13th year on benefits having worked not a day in my life.

You might say that these people need a helping hand, to be shown a better way, but I'm wondering if that's just patronising. there'll be costs whether these people are helped to reintergrate with society or let be - does it really matter which?
>> No. 70117 Are Moaty
28th December 2021
Tuesday 11:29 pm
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It was probably nice for them to deal with someone that wasn't an utter shit and actually has a chance of turning their life around for once. It must be pretty dispiriting to know that most people don't want the help you're offering them and makt you quite cynical.
>> No. 70121 Billbob
29th December 2021
Wednesday 8:53 am
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I think the only way to "reintegrate" people like that would be to offer them a genuinely better life. Working at minimum wage isn't much of an improvement in quality of life for many people.

"Help" is useless if it's help towards something you don't want.
>> No. 70123 Billbob
29th December 2021
Wednesday 10:48 am
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It's a fine balance with scratters.

My friend lived in a council house for years and she had quite a nice kitchen fitted because her boyfriend was able to get it at mates rates and do all the labouring himself. They bought a new house and moved out but had to go back because a relative accidentally sent a birthday card with money in for their daughter to their old address; the council had put some proper poggers in who denied receiving the card but had also completely trashed the house, like pulling off the kitchen cupboards and smashing the worktops.

If you give the bottom feeders things for free they never learn the value of it. Offer them a better life, but they need to fucking work for it and learn to appreciate it; if they see it as worthless they don't see any cost in throwing it away.
>> No. 70140 Auntiefucker
30th December 2021
Thursday 2:54 pm
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I agree, a genuinely better life doesn't just mean being given stuff for free. I was thinking in terms of overall quality of life, not just "the amount of stuff people have".

We have an economy full of jobs that are pointless, or back-breaking, or soul-destroying, or all of the above, and they're almost universally underpaid. What's the incentive to get in on the action if you're so far removed from society that just getting back on the bottom rung would be a massive undertaking?
>> No. 70141 Samefag
30th December 2021
Thursday 3:57 pm
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Also the reason a lot of homeless don't want to work is that they can earn significantly more than min wage through begging. If you can make 80-100 quid a day tax free by standing around a busy town centre street with a paper cup and a sad face you're hardly going to want to give that up to earn less hauling shit around a factory floor or cleaning toilets all day long.
>> No. 70142 Billbob
30th December 2021
Thursday 5:37 pm
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I dunno, that kind of feels like you're projecting. I doubt any homeless has ever said "you know what? I would sort my life out, get off the drugs and a roof over my head but I'd rather be a smackhead on the streets than be a slave to some bougie capitalist pig dog."
>> No. 70143 Samefag
30th December 2021
Thursday 5:42 pm
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Not being a cunt?
>> No. 70144 YubYub
30th December 2021
Thursday 5:51 pm
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Those legitimately exist, but they're a dying breed these days. Proper crustie anarchist punks and general dreadlock havers.

The difference is they tend to come from the kind of background where they could make the informed decision to drop out of society and spend their life passing through various squats, and have the skills/means/contacts to reintegrate whenever they wish. In my younger years when I would occasionally mix with those sorts of circles, it always struck me that they were usually quite well spoken- A person's present circumstances tell you one thing, but their accent is always gives away where they came from.


That has nothing to do with the reason, you twerp. sure you can earn a hundred quid a day, but good luck getting anyone to take you seriously putting down a deposit on a flat in cash with pound coins and fiver notes, because you can't get a bank account. For that matter, good luck even holding onto it for more than a few days at a time- Have you ever considered the practicalities of saving money as a homeless person?

it's similar to the problem small time drug dealers have. they're cash rich but they can't do much with it besides buy a flash car and fancy clothes, because anything more gainful requires the social proofs of legitimate earnings we all take for granted and don't question. the rules of the system are designed to filter out undesirables and prevent them from bettering themselves, then we wonder why they insist on remaining scum.
>> No. 70145 Are Moaty
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:02 pm
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ooh you're hard, insulting people on the internet. i was looking to add to a civil discussion but it seems the keyboard warriors have arrived.
>> No. 70146 Ambulancelad
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:07 pm
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>> No. 70147 Are Moaty
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:19 pm
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Those are quite new, in fairness, and if HSBC are the only ones doing it I'm sure you can see how it can be an obstacle.
>> No. 70148 Crabkiller
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:23 pm
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Sorry lad, I thought you were just giving a typical "yeah well the problem is they don't wanna get jobs cos they get free cash to spend on fags and big tellies" take. If that wasn't the case then please accept my apology and we will continue forwards in a more civil manner.
>> No. 70149 R4GE
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:25 pm
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>you can make 80-100 quid a day tax free by begging
Would this involve targetting demographics? Surely there's a way to find areas with the greatest Big Issue sales, for example - I wonder what it'd show to cross reference that with polotical leaning/voting intention data.

>Have you ever considered the practicalities of saving money as a homeless person?
Do people not stash their gold in treestumps, these days?
Seriously though, many years ago I heard there's a type of fee-free account which banks are legally abliged to provide on request. A brief search returns 'Basic bank account', which you could read a little about here - https://www.which.co.uk/money/banking/bank-accounts/best-bank-accounts/best-basic-bank-accounts-axdj05l1236r. At face value they looks like a reasonable way to account for your begging!
There are, apparantly, shelter and charity schemes to provide for those without mailing addresses, too. At the very least you could go for a PO box.
>> No. 70150 Anonymous
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:26 pm
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What the fuck is a homeless person going to do with a massive telly? They'd have nowhere to plug it in.
>> No. 70151 Anonymous
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:32 pm
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Well if they had a bit of nouse they'd save up another couple hundred from their begging, buy a gennie, and then start a business charging their fellow tramps a small fee to watch eastenders.

we can't help those who won't help themselves.
>> No. 70152 R4GE
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:47 pm
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Yeah, you could get a PO box, but you'd be down £100 and the bank would refuse to accept it. You'd be terrible on the streets.
>> No. 70153 Moralfag
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:48 pm
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They could sleep in the box?
>> No. 70154 YubYub
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:50 pm
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By the way, the only way to get a PO box for that little is to pay by direct debit.
>> No. 70155 Paedofag
30th December 2021
Thursday 6:50 pm
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How would they get a signal?
>> No. 70156 YubYub
30th December 2021
Thursday 9:25 pm
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I know this is /IQ/, but that's not what I said. I'm saying for some people there's genuinely more quality of life to living rough in a way they know than going through the pain of acclimatising to a normal life, and especially when "normal life" offers so few rewards to someone coming from that background.
>> No. 70157 Auntiefucker
30th December 2021
Thursday 9:44 pm
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They'll be reet once they realise blanket blank is back on the telly.
>> No. 70399 Anonymous
4th February 2022
Friday 11:31 pm
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>A “worried” family living off benefits don’t know where to go, after being given a seven-day marching order to leave their home. The Rotherham family of five are being evicted from a house in Brunswick Street, Thurnscoe, on Monday, February 7. A judge ordered the family to leave the property on January 31, after no rent was paid for several months.

>Parents Amy Winter, 26, and Joshua Thain, 27, say they made Barnsley Council aware of their situation months ago and claim the local authority hasn’t helped. The parents, who each claim Universal Credit, have been living at the house with their children Skye, five, Daisy-Mae, four, and Lexi, 18 months, with another child on the way as Amy is currently five months pregnant.

>Amy said: “I think Barnsley Council need to get off their backside and figure out what they’re going to do, instead of just telling us one thing and next thing a different thing.”


I know this article is ragebait, but a lot of societies problems would go away if we started telling massive thickos to stop being massive thickos.
>> No. 70400 Moralfag
4th February 2022
Friday 11:36 pm
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Stop being a massive thicko.

Did it work yet?
>> No. 70401 Moralfag
4th February 2022
Friday 11:52 pm
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It needs to be done in such a way that massive thickos can understand.

You could easily solve the majority of the problems for this couple if you told them to stop being thickos and expecting everyone else to sort things for them. I mean, it's a bit late to tell them about protection with their fifth kid on the way but you can tell them things like getting a job and to tidy away their Christmas tree because it's February.
>> No. 70402 R4GE
5th February 2022
Saturday 1:37 am
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I imagine, when they told Barnsley council they'd spent all the rent for their council house on scratch cards and copies of whatever newspaper that is, Barnsley council probably said that's fine. You're not a massive thicko if they tell you it's fine and then suddenly they change their mind without warning you.
>> No. 70403 YubYub
5th February 2022
Saturday 5:54 am
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To be fair, it does sound like they've been the victims of an administrative fuckup:

Neither the parent’s names are on the tenancy agreement for the property, which is owned by Sanctuary Housing. They claim to have stayed there with late grandma Victoria Robertshaw, Joshua’s mother, to look after her whilst she was ill. The 45-year-old died after testing positive for Covid-19 in August.

If the housing association won't put them on the tenancy, then the DWP won't pay housing benefit.
>> No. 70404 YubYub
5th February 2022
Saturday 7:28 am
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If you move in with someone and they die that doesn't give you the right to take over their tenancy. Making no attempts whatsoever to pay the rent won't go down well either.
>> No. 70405 YubYub
5th February 2022
Saturday 11:23 am
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I can tell you've never had to deal with a local housing authority.
>> No. 70406 Crabkiller
5th February 2022
Saturday 11:33 am
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Enlighten us...
>> No. 70407 Anonymous
5th February 2022
Saturday 12:07 pm
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It's very easy to end up playing piggy-in-the-middle with a bunch of jobsworths who are somewhere between unhelpful and actively obstructive. Landlords are all arseholes, even the social landlords. The unions still have a strong grip on housing associations and local authorities, so they often have a lot of staff who would have been immediately dismissed by any private sector employer. The attitude to "customers" is often deeply adversarial, with people being treated as a nuisance to be got rid of rather than someone in need of help. Austerity has only compounded matters, pushing out any staff with an ounce of gumption and leaving everything understaffed and chaotically managed.

Anyone would find it a confusing and frustrating ordeal, but as discussed upthread, it can be an insurmountable obstacle if you're not very bright. We don't have a safety net in this country, but a tightrope; a lot of the people who are supposed to help you cross that tightrope take a perverse glee in trying to make you fall.
>> No. 70408 Are Moaty
5th February 2022
Saturday 12:30 pm
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I worked in council tax recovery about 11-12 years ago and everyone there hated, and I mean absolutely fucking hated, dolescum. The job does make you jaded as you are continually dealing with chancers who know every trick in the book, but they were seriously despised.
>> No. 70409 YubYub
5th February 2022
Saturday 1:44 pm
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Imagine how jaded you'd be if you were still there, you hadn't had a pay rise since 2010 and half your department had been made redundant.
>> No. 70410 Ambulancelad
5th February 2022
Saturday 1:57 pm
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Would the fat middle-aged redhead who looked strikingly like someone I used to regularly bash one out to on PornHub still be there?
>> No. 70831 R4GE
24th April 2022
Sunday 2:43 pm
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I drove through Bradford today and noticed quite a few homeless men sat next to traffic lights at busy junctions. Seemed a really weird place to try and earn money, unless it's common for the first car at the lights to wind up their window down and throw a bit of loose change at them.
>> No. 70832 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 3:23 pm
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Could it be ones that run out and spray windshields and begin washing them so you're obliged to give them money for the unwanted car wash?
>> No. 70833 Moralfag
24th April 2022
Sunday 4:04 pm
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Does that happen in his country? They were just sat there, often in hi-viz. Some had paper cups for change, others held barely legible signs written on cardboard. All in places where pedestrians wouldn't walk directly past them but they kept staring forward rather than looking at the cars going past them or attempting to beg.
>> No. 70834 Searchfag
24th April 2022
Sunday 6:04 pm
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The final sign of the death of the high street - even the beggars have gone drive-thru.
>> No. 70835 Auntiefucker
24th April 2022
Sunday 7:12 pm
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This has happened to me in Cardiff.
>> No. 70836 Moralfag
24th April 2022
Sunday 7:42 pm
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Just wait until they master receiving contactless payments. We'll all be fucked then.
>> No. 70837 Are Moaty
24th April 2022
Sunday 7:59 pm
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