>>71654 Nobody's more a manipulative harpy than the press. What she's like, who knows, but any opinion of her built from press coverage is worth about as much as that of someone you've never heard of. Probably less.
>>71654 She is orders of magnitude worse than Prince Harry. I like him and he is broadly right about everything, but if you watch her in the Oprah Winfrey interview, say, she is noticeably out of touch and is just a weird media luvvie of the worst order. If she was white, she would be Gwyneth Paltrow. I'm sure lots of people do hate her, but I don't blame them for doing so even if the press is awful too. Remember, the press killed Prince William's mother, and he seems to hate both journalists and Meghan Markle roughly equally.
It's all too easy to draw the race card. I don't think any journalist worth their salt has taken a harsh tone on Meghan for being a darkie, either overtly or in a veiled manner. It doesn't mean that that isn't what DM readers have been thinking all along, just that it's thankfully not been claimed to be relevant by most of the press.
But yeah, many who have spent time with her seem to describe her under their breath as an overly entitled, manipulative, selfish bitch who has no regard for the institution that is the Royal Family. And then plays the victim whenever people notice and call her on it.
My guess is that in a few years' time they will get divorced, and Harry will return to Britain on his own as the prodigal son asking for forgiveness. And he'll realise how brainwashed he really was.
I doubt it's meghan herself brainwashing Harry. I find it much more likely that they got together, and then they both found themselves drawn in by some rasputin-like PR advisor (because you know these people don't wipe their arse without getting advice from some pr agent or other) who preyed on harry's trauma and meghan's innate spoilt brat-ism.
someone's behind the curtain pulling the strings to make themselves wealthy, I reckon. Someone with connections to book publishers, netflix, and the like... You know.
I think Meghan tapped into Harry's rebellious streak and exploited it. It's one thing to be a grudging member of the Royal Family's inner circle and second in line to the Throne who doesn't care about all the pomp and obligations that come with that, maybe even has disdain for it. But it takes somebody else to spot your vulnerabilities as a person and use them against you.
We probably all know somebody who was so madly in love with their manipulative partner that they allowed themselves to become alienated from their entire family. It usually doesn't end well. Whether you end up on Jeremy Kyle with it or are an estranged member of the Royal Family.
Well, it was mostly facetious, but I there's a grain of sincerity to it.
Whenever I've experienced that myself, it feels like there are three people in the relationship. it's not just you and your partner, you've always got her mum's eyes on the back of your head, because anything and everything you say or do can and will be relayed back and scrutinised.
maybe some people don't see the issue with that but to me it undermines the intimacy and sanctity of the bond you form with a partner. the whole point of flying the nest, becoming an adult, and living on your own is so that you no longer have to give a fuck what your parents think- Let alone someone else's.
perhaps it says a lot about my relationship with my own parents, and how I automatically assume they will disapprove of any decision I make in life, but it is what it is. when a parent is in that kind of role in somebody's life, I find that they generally can't help but interfere and manipulate, even if they do so with the best of intentions; so it ultimately means you can't ever wholly put your faith in that person either. they're compromised.
anyway I don't intend to come across like that stefan molyneaux berk, but I just mean that it's generally a bit of a red flag when the apron strings are still so tight during adulthood. I mean you'd immediately sense it was a bit weird with a lad rather than a lass, right?
>>71672 I'm a bloke who is very close with his mum. I think it is tough on my gf, not that I particularly listen to my mum, but her influence can be troublesome. If I'm off work for a month due to poor mental health, my mum is nothing but sympathetic. If my gf is off for a month due to poor mental health, in my mum's eyes she's taking the piss and an existential risk to me. Obviously I don't take everything my mum says as truth, and she doesn't out of malice, it's just she doesn't want me to go through bad shit. Especially considering my older brother has nothing to do with her. Sometimes I have to tell her to wind her neck in as her concern for me can be antagonistic.
I'm close to my mum as well. One thing she used to do that absolutely boiled my piss every time was that she would get overly chummy with the parents of whatever lass I was seeing and then kept considering them her friends even after a lass and I broke up.
It happened a few different times, but starting at the beginning, when I was 15, I had a somewhat brief romance with a lass who lived 250 miles away (we had met on holiday that summer), and as far as I was concerned, it was finished after about two to three months because realistically, how do you keep up a relationship over 250 miles in any kind of meaningful way at that age. Anyway, a few weeks later, my mum suddenly invited their whole family to spend an entire weekend at our house. Which they did, including who I thought of by that point as my ex. If that. Nobody ever asked me, mind. My own mum never fucking asked me if I felt like that was ok. And so, the entire weekend ended up being nothing but abject awkwardness. With a lass who saw it as her big chance to win me back, while I was having none of it and just wished for it to be over.
And then another time, somebody really broke my heart after a four-year relationship by breaking up with me, and the only way for me to cope was to break off all contact with her. Because it was all so painful that I felt I had to cut her out of my life completely and put all of my energy into looking ahead and moving on, as far away from her as possible. Which a therapist later assured me quite emphatically was probably the absolute right thing for me to do at that point. But not that my mum seemed to care, because she kept doing things with my ex's parents, like visit them for tea or for their birthdays. At some point, almost a year later, she was even going to go on an actual fucking holiday with them and a group of people. That's when I lost it and said to her that if she was going on that holiday, then that would be the last she'd see of me. To her credit, she then actually cancelled her reservations. But it was something that she could just never fully get into her head. That you can't just act like nothing happened with somebody's parents when your son and their daughter are no longer seeing each other.
