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>> No. 14229 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 2:54 pm
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In late November I applied to a competitive job. It had five stages of selection: the application, a video interview, a couple of work tests, and a final interview.

I made it to the final interview. I wasn't selected, but given my good performance, they passed on my details to another related company. This related company e-mailed me with an invitation to apply and to chat with the department director.

After the chat last Friday, they said that putting my CV in was just to have my "information in the system" and "X will get in touch about some logistics next week".

Well, after uploading my CV and a cover letter over the weekend, letting the research director know, X has indeed got back to me with a boilerplate rejection.

As far as I know, the chat went well, my CV is virtually the same one I used for the role with the original company. One of you lads must have done hiring - what in God's fucking name happened here?
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>> No. 14230 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 4:09 pm
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>>14229

>what in God's fucking name happened here?

It could be practically anything. Hiring in most companies is a total shitshow. The hoops they make you jump through are just a veneer of legitimacy to a) persuade their bosses that they know what they're doing and b) cover their arses if something goes to an Employment Tribunal. It looks like a formal and rational process, but in reality it's a lot more like dating. People get rejected for stupid reasons and get hired for equally stupid reasons.

As often as not, they already have someone lined up for the role but need to orchestrate the pretence of an open hiring process to avoid accusations of nepotism. Sometimes you unknowingly step into some awful office politics situation where two people who absolutely hate each other are jointly responsible for filling a role and just reject all the candidates out of spite for the each other. Sometimes they don't actually want to hire anyone, it's just convenient for a manager to pretend that they're horribly understaffed and can't get the right people. Sometimes people just irrationally dislike you for no particular reason.
>> No. 14231 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 4:26 pm
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It could be that the director of the other company didn't think you'd fit in culture/personality-wise.

That said, having previously been involved in hiring for a department I used to run, the biggest factor is often this: you cannot control who you are up against. You could have absolutely smashed it and not put a foot wrong but miss out because of another candidate. I've hired people who were worse than people I've had to reject simply because the quality applicants at different times has varied. For all you know a number of you were passed on to this second company.
>> No. 14232 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 4:41 pm
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>>14231

>I've hired people who were worse than people I've had to reject simply because the quality applicants at different times has varied.
I've done this a lot. You can patiently hire nothing but four or five star peeps for the whole time you're in charge then suddenly one memau you overlooked generates a skrasher on the entertainment deck and you've no choice but to hire every Groulien Salt Hog and Kasvagorian on the station to deal with it. By that point there's nobody left but the one, two or even zero star peeps on board to choose from.
>> No. 14233 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 5:11 pm
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>>14232

It's always the ones that smell faintly of cabbage that get me. I've tried to run a pleasant and cabbage odour free workplace for so long, but somehow right when we most desperately need someone to man the DNA fixer and I've got people working double shifts on the jelly vats, a candidate with all the right qualifications in psychiatry and research comes along, and I'll jump at the chance to make an offer. Then it hits me.
>> No. 14234 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 5:18 pm
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>>14233
As long as they look the other way when Messrs Burke and Hare turn up at the rear entrance, you're golden.
>> No. 14235 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 8:34 pm
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Ask for feedback from X OP.
>> No. 14236 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 10:35 pm
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>>14229
Just out of interest, what is the pay like?
>> No. 14237 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 12:12 am
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>>14231
>you cannot control who you are up against

Excellent post. A lot of people are crap at customising their CV or their cover letter for the job - thats a big thing. But you also can't forecast or control who you are up against. I've recently missed jobs because I wasn't available (3 months notice) or the other candidate was a bird and they wanted diversity. C'est la vie. I'm cool with that, no matter how disappointing it might be.
>> No. 14240 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 2:33 pm
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OP, here. Strange thing, I did exactly as >>14235 suggested with a note to say I'd been invited to apply to this job.

About 45 minutes later I received another e-mail with an apology, saying there'd been a mixup with the recruitment system and that they hadn't intended to send out the boilerplate rejection.

This raises so many more questions.

Thank you to you lads anyway, all your suggestions may well have been the case. It turns out that I'm still in the running, however.

>>14236

The job advertisement says 50K per year.
>> No. 14241 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 5:53 pm
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>>14240
Once we hired 6 temps through an agency from the 30 odd applicants the company we recruit though told everyone they didn't get the job. So I phoned up the agency to arrange when I was going to interview the 12 we shortlisted. Everyone got sent the same rejection letter and most of them being actually competent got jobs elsewhere in the 2 weeks between posting the job ad and the end date. This meant we had to re-post the job and go through a load of CVs again.
>> No. 14242 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 10:53 pm
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>It had five stages of selection: the application, a video interview, a couple of work tests, and a final interview.
Seems a bit much. I hate this sort of thing. I just avoid it nowadays. Once they ask me why I am no longer interested, I tell them that their process is too long, and ridiculous.

I had one company ask for video of me talking about my experience and projects I lead on, alongside the application, interview, assessment, a presentation, and a final interview. I had another company that wanted me to do a two hour presentation on some subject they would share with me at the first interview.

It is too ridiculous. I am not applying to become the CEO.
>> No. 14246 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 6:24 pm
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How are you supposed to answer "Why do you want to work for our company?" when the truth is simply that they offer competitive pay? This is for a semi-skilled job (I think that'd be the term) where anyone would be qualified after buying a 5 day course.
>> No. 14247 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 6:30 pm
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>>14246

Look on their website for the keywords they use when talking about how great they are - then repeat them back.
>> No. 14248 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 6:41 pm
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>>14247
That sounds sensible but I'm somewhat puzzled by the underlying reasoning. Surely the interviewer hasn't bought in wholesale to whatever marketing bollocks is on the website. Is the point just to demonstrate that you've done the minimum of research? Even if that means engaging in an obviously insincere charade?
>> No. 14249 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 6:50 pm
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>>14248

They want to know if you're a "team player", i.e. whether you'll engage in their insincere charades.
>> No. 14250 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 7:02 pm
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>>14248

Often the people who are in charge of recruitment are the HR or company lifer types who actually do fall for the Company Values horseshit. I work directly with people in meaningful roles at my place who do actually think our company's main mission is to 'be there' for the customer, rather than sucking money out of their pockets.

I hate the question too, but as someone who conducts interviews, in reality, it's not a terrible way to find out if someone has enough brain power to figure out how to bullshit creatively, or at the very least be prepared enough to have an answer to a question that can and should universally be answered "to pay my bills".

I wish we as a nation were braver with interviews. What we should really be asking is "no, why should I want work for this company?"
>> No. 14251 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 7:56 pm
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>>14250
I have no firm plans to move from my current job but would like to know where my position is in the market, so I'm planning to do some interviews for similar positions. As I'm secure I can go in there with a lot more confidence than usual and ask them exactly those sorts of questions. What's so fucking good about you lot then, eh? Am I supposed to be impressed? Give me your top three reasons to work here or I'm walking out the door right now.
>> No. 14252 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 8:40 pm
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>>14251

I've always wanted to just entirely Robert California an interview, but I think you literally need to be James Spader to do so.


>> No. 14253 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 9:32 pm
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>>14246

>How are you supposed to answer "Why do you want to work for our company?" when the truth is simply that they offer competitive pay?

They all know it's bollocks and that at the end of the day, you are applying for one reason only, and that is that you want or need a new job and they have one going. So they don't really, really expect you to come up with some heartfelt teary-eyed explanation that you've wanted to work there since you were a weelad, and that it seems like just the kind of challenge that you were looking for or that what you bring to the table is such a perfect fit for that company.

It's all about being a good bullshitter. About selling an idea, in the face of it being all too obviously a bunch of rubbish. Because you are going to have to do just that day in, day out at almost every imaginable job where you need people to do any number of inane things for you.
>> No. 14254 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 10:29 pm
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>>14253

It's also a great opportunity to flatter the interviewer(s). If you talk about how their company is uniquely positioned in the market, does everything better than the competition, or is a big clever brain house for clever big brain people, then what you're effectively doing is blowing smoke up their arse about how talented and clever they are for already working there. And naturally, they'll like you that little bit more once you've indirectly complemented them on their life choices.
>> No. 14255 Anonymous
25th January 2022
Tuesday 8:26 am
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>>14252

I once had an interview with a company I really wasn't bothered about, but the recruiter was really egging me on to talk to them, so I took the call and handled it very much like this aiming to see how much I could annoy them.

Turned out that was exactly what they wanted, the company was a lot cooler than I expected and I've been working there two years now making loads of dosh. Give it a go.

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