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>> No. 15041 Anonymous
10th May 2018
Thursday 5:43 pm
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/drag-queens-banned-from-performing-at-free-pride-glasgow-event-over-fears-acts-will-offend-trans-10405214.html

>Drag queens banned from performing at Free Pride Glasgow event over fears acts will offend trans people

[...]

>The organisation said in a statement that it hopes to create a safe space for all members of the LGBTQIA+ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, intersex, asexual) community, and that while the decision may "disappoint" some people "the needs of the most marginalised groups within our community come first."

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>Free Pride Glasgow said: “It was felt that it [drag performance] would make some of those who were transgender or questioning their gender uncomfortable. It was felt by the group within the Trans/Non Binary Caucus that some drag performance, particularly cis drag, hinges on the social view of gender and making it into a joke, however transgender individuals do not feel as though their gender identity is a joke.”


Life rarely takes the piss out of itself like this. It almost sounds like the plot of a South Park episode.
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>> No. 16019 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 12:44 pm
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>>16018

Fine, so the broadly accepted term is gender studies. Which I assume you are indeed familiar with.

The problem though is that gender studies, despite claims to the contrary by its proponents, does not employ methods that conform with what the scientific academic community would accept as indeed scientific. It is largely a pseudoscience which attempts to justify sometimes quite bold and daring claims by attempting to corroborate those claims with skewed methods of data gathering or by outright ignoring well-established and peer reviewed scientific fact if it goes against the ideas that gender science holds to be true.

In that sense, gender studies has more in common with organised religion than with social or even natural science as such. This is especially true when you look at the sometimes quite extreme and fanatic reactions of its followers when you doubt the overall scientific legitimacy of gender studies.
>> No. 16020 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 2:37 pm
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>>16014
Not all the war, genocide, man-made famine, extinctions of fellow species and climate change. No, a non-issue fed to me by some YouTube stars is the reason our species no longer deserves to exist.

This post was brought to you by LOGIC and REASON.
>> No. 16021 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 3:27 pm
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>>16020

You present no reason why you should be spared from the coming extinction of our species.
>> No. 16022 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 3:44 pm
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>>16021
I'm pretty sure no one can escape the extinction of their species.

Besides, >>16020 doesn't exactly read as a "Application to Defy the Laws of Nature".
>> No. 16023 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 3:46 pm
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>>16021
I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill 'em all!
>> No. 16024 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 3:56 pm
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>> No. 16025 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 5:28 pm
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>>16019

Except medically diagnosible transexualism is just that, medically diagnosible. Doctors and nurses in the health service aren't spreading the post-modernist view of gender, they're treating people with gender dysphoria. Gender studies is the study of the philosophical and social aspects of gender, not the medical treatment of transgender people. Given that and the amount of TERFs who would fall under the perview of those studying gender, your assumption that it's a field entirely pro-trans and has anything to do with the medical aspects of being transgender leaves me thinking you're terribly confused.

I mean, you wouldn't ask Decartes to show you his sums after he told you "I think therefore I am"; it's just not how philosphy works. Again, I think you've confused being trangender with "why do girls like pink and boys like blue?"
>> No. 16026 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 5:51 pm
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>>16011
I think his argument is predatory men will pretend to identify as female, to sexually assault women in toilets. There is a little evidence for this. This can be solved with gender neutral toilets.

As to my own interaction with the tranny community, I saw some back guy in a dress with a beard, which made me want to retch, on TV (a la Conchita Wurst). I tweeted about it fairly innocuously and received a tirade of abuse from said tranny and the para-tranny militants. Broken and about to rebut the insults, I decided to report the abuse and twitter locked xe's account. The system works.
>> No. 16027 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 6:04 pm
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>>16026
>There is a little evidence for this

It was in the news recently that a sex offender, I think he'd raped a few women and diddled a child, claimed to be trans despite not having reassignment surgery so they could get placed in a female prison. He sexually assaulted four women whilst he was there. His ex-girlfriend said he wasn't really trans but was trying it on.
>> No. 16028 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 6:15 pm
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>>16026

>I saw some back guy in a dress with a beard, which made me want to retch

>I tweeted about it fairly innocuously

I find the innocuous part hard to believe, frankly.
>> No. 16029 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 7:14 pm
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>>16027
Yeah that was what I remember. Though I don't have figures for the number of transgender people using toilets and the number of assaults to make any meaningful conclusions.

>>16028
It was "Why is there a black tranny on [TV programme]?"
>> No. 16031 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 7:58 pm
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>>16025

Are you deliberately being daft?

The issue isn't if somebody will be diagnosed as transsexual. Nor is the issue if transsexuality as such exists. Modern psychology, from empirical scientific studies, says it does very much exist. The problem is that gender studies says gender is all a construct that is ultimately entirely arbitrary. But when you look at the world around you, that is hardly the case. People aren't forced into "stereotypical" gender roles, but the majority assume them freely, which means that most girls will indeed enjoy playing with dolls or wearing pink skirts, whereas boys will largely prefer cars and mechanical toys and they will want to assert their masculinity as they grow into juveniles and young adults. Nobody twists their arm, they tend to fall into those modes all on their own. And now gender studies tries to tell us that boys should discover their fondness for dolls or assume what is typically considered more feminine behaviour, and masculinity as such is branded as "toxic".

And that is why I will never take gender studies seriously. In essence, it is another covert attempt by feminism to "overcome patriarchy" by deconstructing and destroying masculinity.

The bitter truth though is that the vast majority of women will always prefer a "lad's lad" who exudes all the markings of traditional masculinity. Women by and large don't give a fuck about soft, understanding, in touch with their feminine side types. They want manly men, even if they tell themselves they don't, and no matter how fervently gender studies advocates try to deconstruct masculinity.
>> No. 16032 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 8:10 pm
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>>16031
Daft bollocks like this is why I choose the blue pill every time. Now I always win the pissing contest.
>> No. 16033 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 8:54 pm
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>>16031
I'm being consistantly smarter than you.

Almost all that first paragraph of your's does is reiterate the point about gender studies having little to do with people actually being transgender or not, only the philosophic thought around it. You seem to think I'm taking a stance on the "blue v pink" thing, but I very much haven't no matter how hard you try to spark a cunt off about it. As for your wilful conflation of what feminists mean when they say "toxic masculinity", the very prefix of "toxic" is there to distinguish it from regular, non-harmful, masculine behaviour. IE, the difference between wanting to physically exert ones self by climbing a tree to rescue a cat (good, okay, keep it up, lads) and wanting to physically exert yourself by getting pissed and starting a fight because you can't talk to your dad (bad, stop it, cut it out, mate).

Mainstream feminism is making no effort to stop you from going to the gym, becoming a tree surgeon or shagging loads of birds, and doing so by showing off your lovely, big muscles. I think what mainstream feminism is more concerned with is all the sexual violence and entitlement, wage inequality and empowering women. Whatever your take on those select issues, none of them can reasonably be seen as an attack on masculinity, unless you're so far gone as to think rape, gender based pay gaps and disenfranchising young girls are positive things for men.

One thing I woud just add, and I think it's highly pertenant, is what the name of fuck does any of that have to do with transgender people? You know, that thing I was talking about before you made up this other thing called "gender science".
>> No. 16034 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 9:44 pm
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>>16033

Learn to spell, for fucks sake.
>> No. 16035 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 9:59 pm
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>>16031
>The bitter truth though is that the vast majority of women will always prefer a "lad's lad" who exudes all the markings of traditional masculinity. Women by and large don't give a fuck about soft, understanding, in touch with their feminine side types. They want manly men, even if they tell themselves they don't, and no matter how fervently gender studies advocates try to deconstruct masculinity.

This isn't true. In my anecdotal experience the kind of birds who are worth bothering with want someone who is both. Kind of like how (stereotypically at least) a lot of men want a virginal, homely wife who is still a filthy slag in the bedroom for him and only for him.

Also why should we be factoring sex-appeal in later life into how we socialise and educate our children? How do you even know a lad will want girls to fancy him when he's older?
>> No. 16036 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:08 pm
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>>16031
>>16033

>People aren't forced into "stereotypical" gender roles, but the majority assume them freely, which means that most girls will indeed enjoy playing with dolls or wearing pink skirts

Unless I'm wrong, pink was very much for boys (and blue for girls) until 100 years ago. I don't really think there's a particular reason for girls = pink (possibly boys = cars) aside from everyone insisting that that is the case.

>The bitter truth though is that the vast majority of women will always prefer a "lad's lad" who exudes all the markings of traditional masculinity. Women by and large don't give a fuck about soft, understanding, in touch with their feminine side types. They want manly men, even if they tell themselves they don't, and no matter how fervently gender studies advocates try to deconstruct masculinity.

I really feel like you're trying to write a homoerotic novel here.

The problem here is that you're polarising the argument into two opposing types of men and then asserting that people want A but pretend to want B. The issue is a lot more complicated than that, but if I may- yeah, women do like a lot of masculine traits and they are important, however if us lad m8s could be a bit more open about our feelings it would do both us and them a favour.

As >>16035 has just written; most girls just want a decent bloke that's alright with talking about his feelings.

General feminism doesn't want us all in chastity getting cucked and knitting, it just wants us to be a bit more open about our feelings and to stop having high suicide rates. We do have a bit of a shit time, and if you're not dense about it- it is an invitation to tell your story.

Or you could just conflate sexuality, gender studies, feminism, etc in to one ball.
>> No. 16037 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:26 pm
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>>16036

I'm interested to know where feminism has shown serious concern about male suicide rates. Ideally specific writers or researchers.
>> No. 16038 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:42 pm
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https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/10/dog-rape-and-mein-kampf-feminist-text-why-we-hoaxed-journals-terrible
>> No. 16039 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:42 pm
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>>16036
I can't think of any evidence at all that would suggest feminism gives a shit about anything so irrelevant to them as male suicide.
>> No. 16040 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:45 pm
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>>16036
>Unless I'm wrong, pink was very much for boys (and blue for girls) until 100 years ago.
You're wrong. I don't have the source to hand, but it's an urban myth. The current order is only around 100 years old, but it wasn't a straight flip.
>> No. 16041 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 10:53 pm
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>>16037
Oh, clear off ShowYourWorkingLad, this is a shedpub, not A Level trigonometry.
>> No. 16042 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 11:06 pm
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>>16041

PEOPLE ARE MAKING INTERESTING CLAIMS BUT NOBODYS ALLOWED TO ASK FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.GS
>> No. 16043 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 11:07 pm
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>>16041

Actually I am genuinely interested, because I've been honestly losing faith that anyone beyond a few very specific groups gives a shit about it.
>> No. 16044 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 11:11 pm
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I feel like there is a conflagration with performed and performative gender blue and pink is quite irrelevant (baby blue is far more a woman's colour then a mans).

Where as boys like cars girls like dolls seems far more rooted in biology. Girls will develop more sophisticated social/people skills then boys and much earlier (dolls tend to be about role playing this for girls) and boys will develop practical, fighting and mechanical skills much earlier. And as far as I am aware this will happen without promoting in controlled conditions. (I've met people who were quite determined to prove this is conditioning and we're somewhat disappointed with their results when they found them but objective enough scientists to acknowledge their results).

Academia has something of a circle jerk at the moment where the conclusions about gender have already been made and only the evidence and research that reaches this conclusion is acknowledged or even funded in the first place.
>> No. 16045 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 11:31 pm
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>>16044
How can boys be biologically predisposed to be interested in something invented in the late 19th century?
>> No. 16046 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 12:02 am
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>>16045

It did seem like he explained that already.
>> No. 16047 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 1:15 am
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>>16045
Time travel lad.
>> No. 16048 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 3:00 am
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>>16045

How do cats know to use the litter tray but don't bother to learn to use the loo?

Something else for you to ponder whilst you consider the idea of how instincts for tool use might lead to favour play with mechanical objects over social reenactment.
>> No. 16049 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 4:11 am
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>>16048
>How do cats know to use the litter tray
Conditioning.

>but don't bother to learn to use the loo
They tend to have trouble with flushing, the lid and (in case of single males) the seat.

>instincts for tool use
In primates we've observed tool use in the wild by females.
>> No. 16051 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 7:09 am
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>>16048
>How do cats know to use the litter tray but don't bother to learn to use the loo?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vNpujPhs_U
>> No. 16052 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 10:23 am
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>>16044

>Girls will develop more sophisticated social/people skills then boys and much earlier (dolls tend to be about role playing this for girls) and boys will develop practical, fighting and mechanical skills much earlier. And as far as I am aware this will happen without promoting in controlled conditions.


It just seems to be hardwired, and it both has its purpose and has made us a successful species, from an evolutionary standpoint. As a very generalised statement, boys tend to grow up to be the toolmakers, the ones who drive technology and are more mechanically inclined, and have probably done so since cavepersons first started fashioning hand axes from lumps of flintstone. While girls and women seem to have more of a knack for shaping and influencing social structures in a tribe or group of people, and they also seem to be more drawn to the task of rearing and looking after the children.

Gender studies sees this as a so-called biologism at best, but more generally as forced gender roles that should be abolished. While at the same time ignoring that it just very much seems to be the way our hardwired biology functions in the majority of human specimens.

That isn't to say girls should not strive to be engineers. They absolutely should, if they have that kind of talent and want to make a career out of it. More power to them. And also, there are boys and men with quite sophisticated social skills who are more tuned into the subtleties of human interaction, and good social skills often actually make you appear attractive as a potential mate to women as well (still talking from the evolution biology standpoint here).

Also, it's all well and good that people nowadays get to say they're gender fluid, or that they are one of a dozen genders that gender studies appears to have found out about. But the scientific fallacy of gender studies again is that it projects the concept of gender fluidity which around five to ten percent of the population will agree with and project it onto the remaining 90 percent of the population, who, if you ask them, will invariably identify as wholely male or female, and maybe even give you a funny look for even bringing up such a non-issue. And it is then not the fault of their ignorance that they adhere to fixed genders, but it is the fault of gender studies for not realising that gender for the majority of people really isn't fluid at all.
>> No. 16053 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 2:02 pm
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>>16049

>>How do cats know to use the litter tray
>Conditioning.

Except it isn't otherwise it would be equally easy to teach them to use the loo and we would have never bothered with litter trays, there is something in cats programing that litter trays appeal to.

>instincts for tool use
>In primates we've observed tool use in the wild by females.
I never implied we didn't, or that they were incapiable, just that the early development of males is more focused towards it than females. If I said black men can run the hundred meters faster than white men it doesn't mean that white men can't run the 100m and every white man is slower than every black man.


>>16051 I was aware of this, and the fact that you first have to make the toilet a litter tray to get them to make the association demonstrates my point, there is something hardwired into cats that litter trays play upon (like boys with mechanical toys), even though the litter tray is a relatively modern concept (like the toy car) it is designed in a way that appeals to the 'instict' for lack of a better term.
>> No. 16054 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 3:00 pm
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A TRANNY
IS A TRANNY
DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'VE GOT A FANNY
STOP BEING SO UNCANNY
OR I'LL REPORT YOU TO YOUR GRANNY
YOU PATHETIC LITTLE MANNY
DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE IRANI
IF THEY WANT TO CALL THEMSELVES ANNIE
OR EVEN DANNY
A TRANNY IS A TRANNY
THATS THE PLANNY
>> No. 16055 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 5:52 pm
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>>16053
>it would be equally easy to teach them to use the loo[citation needed]

>I never implied we didn't
Yes, you did. See, you can't really have your idea that males are biologically wired for tool use without the inherent implication that females are not biologically wired for it, because it would otherwise be a completely empty statement. If males are indeed biologically wired for tool use, then in the wild we would see mainly male primates using tools, but what we've actually observed is mainly females.

>the fact that you first have to make the toilet a litter tray to get them to make the association demonstrates my point
No, it doesn't. It demonstrates the exact opposite. It's a fairly straightforward example of conditioning.
>> No. 16057 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 7:31 pm
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You have to either pick

that cats only use litter trays because we 'condition' them to and therefore we could' condition' them to use the loo without using a litter tray first just as easily. given both are completely unnatural concepts to them.

OR

cats have a better understanding of litter trays because of instict and it is therefore harder to train them to use the loo.

you can't have both.
>> No. 16059 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 7:38 pm
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>>16057
One behaviour is easier to condition because it's closer to natural instincts, but it's still conditioning.
>> No. 16061 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 7:54 pm
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>>16055

>Yes, you did. See, you can't really have your idea that males are biologically wired for tool use without the inherent implication that females are not biologically wired for it,because it would otherwise be a completely empty statement.


>without the inherent implication that females are not biologically wired for it

Where is that written? female lions are better hunters than male lions that doesn't mean the male can't hunt.


> If males are indeed biologically wired for tool use, then in the wild we would see mainly male primates using tools, but what we've actually observed is mainly females.

That might be relivant if there wasn't 4-13 million years of genetic drift from our closest common ancestor with them that is more than enough time for social roles to change..
>> No. 16062 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 7:56 pm
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>>16059

Good now take that sentance and apply it to everything that has been said about male and female developmental differances.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 16063 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 8:06 pm
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Finally, moaning about cats, we're back on topic.
>> No. 16068 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 10:04 pm
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>>16061
It's getting late, lad. You can stop making shit up now.
>> No. 16069 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 10:21 pm
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>>16061
>Where is that written?
In the definitions of the words "more" and "less". Surely you aren't stupid enough not to realise this. If boys are more inclined to mechanical stuff than girls, then by definition girls are less inclined towards it than boys.

>genetic drift
>social roles
2/10 SEE ME
>> No. 16070 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 10:28 pm
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>>16069

Less isn't the same as not.
>> No. 16071 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 10:44 pm
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>>16070
Do you want to argue substance or semantics?
>> No. 16072 Anonymous
9th October 2018
Tuesday 11:59 pm
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>>16071
Don't ask questions you're not ready to hear the answer to.
>> No. 16073 Anonymous
10th October 2018
Wednesday 12:07 am
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>>16072
I'll take that as "semantics", and direct you to kindly fuck off and leave the grown-ups to it.
>> No. 16074 Anonymous
10th October 2018
Wednesday 12:16 am
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>>16073
I'm not him, you horrible little sod.

And even if I was, stop calling people names and telling them to "fuck off" like you're some kind of hardcase. You're Anonymous not Achilles.
>> No. 16076 Anonymous
10th October 2018
Wednesday 12:40 am
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>>16074
>I'm not him, you horrible little sod.
I'm not entirely sure what difference you think that makes. If you don't have anything constructive to add, I would refer the honourable member to the answer I gave some moments ago.
>> No. 16077 Anonymous
10th October 2018
Wednesday 12:57 am
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>>16076
I don't even know what you pair were talking about, I just made an off-hand comment and got your melodramitic, smug reply chucked at me and thought you might benefit from having it pointed out that you're taking yourself far too seriously and you're beginning to look silly.

Maybe your little sparring partner is as well, but he hasn't proudly declared himself one of the "grown-ups" while telling people to fuck off on an imageboard in the middle of the night.
>> No. 16078 Anonymous
10th October 2018
Wednesday 8:11 pm
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>>16077

>telling people to fuck off on an imageboard in the middle of the night

A low point in anybody's life.

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