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>> No. 26171 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:02 pm
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Millennials throw away 633 meals a year because they don't know how to reheat leftovers

Millennials throw away 633 meals a year because they don't know how to reheat leftovers. Those who took part in the poll said they would rather bin food than re-heat it, admitting good food is going to waste.

Researchers found the amount of food millenials confessed to throwing away adds up to more than 1,700lbs. The poll, conducted by cookware brand Pyrex, found millennials - aged 18 to 34 - waste more than three times as much as people aged above 34 who throw out the equivalent of just 186 plates of a food a year - 225 kilograms or 493 lbs. And the millennial food waste mountain is more than double the average food waste in the UK of 300 plates of food - just over 800 lbs per household.

Almost a quarter of millennials (23%) admitted they do not know how to deal with leftovers. By comparison just six per cent of people aged over 55 said they did not know what to do with leftover food.

A further 18 per cent of millennials said they eat out instead of eating the food they have at home leading to even more waste. Just four per cent of those aged over 55 said the same.

A fifth of millennials (21%) said they create yet more waste because they get bored eating what they already have at home compared to just seven per cent of those aged over 55. One of the other main reasons good food is thrown out is because 38 per cent of people fear they will get sick if they eat it after its 'best by' date.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468257/Millennials-throw-away-633-meals-year-dont-know-reheat-leftovers-poll-finds.html

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>> No. 26172 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:28 pm
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Surely 18 year olds are not millennials?
>> No. 26173 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:31 pm
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>>26172
Depends on the narrative.
>> No. 26174 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:35 pm
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Slow news day.
>> No. 26175 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:43 pm
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>Those who took part in the poll said they would rather bin food than re-heat it

I'm not living in a famine so fail to see this as a problem. I'll eat my food cold so long as it's still good, fuck microwaves. Maybe we should ask those octogenarian Mail readers how useful their Covid stockpiling has ended up being.
>> No. 26176 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:45 pm
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Millennials are in our 30s now, we're not the ones wasting foods.

We're the ones giving the younger generation lectures on how not to fuck things up like we did, and being summarily ignored, kick-starting our transition into grumpy old Tory voters who hate young people because they have no respect.
>> No. 26177 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 8:49 pm
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>>26175
My brexit stockpile came in very useful as it meant I had something to eat for a couple of weeks after covid fucked my income and everything else went on bills.
>> No. 26178 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:02 pm
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>>26172

"Millennial" is now just a derogatory term for "young people".
>> No. 26179 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:06 pm
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My mother is obsessed with not wasting food, presumably learned from my grandparents who are the same - I fully understand why as people who have lived through rationing and so on, but logically once food has been farmed, harvested, prepared, bought, and paid for - it is not a waste to do whatever you want with it. You are not depriving anyone of a meal by buying a sandwich and putting it directly in the bin, unless you were intent on donating it anyway, and if we're talking about leftovers, you can hardly take them to a food bank.

I was a chef long enough that I see food waste as lost margin, but at home, I just can't see it that way. I am not going to starve if I skip a meal, so the difference between digesting it and it rotting in a bin is effectively zero.
>> No. 26180 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:09 pm
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>>26179
>I am not going to starve if I skip a meal
The point is that "they" don't skip a meal, they buy a new one instead of eating the leftovers.
>> No. 26181 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:16 pm
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>>26180

What I mean is the meal they throw away was not ever really a crucial, important meal, like it might have been once upon a time for my grandparents. Wasting food (that you bought) is only bad if you do not have an abundance of food.
>> No. 26182 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:19 pm
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>>26179

We're in the midst of an obesity crisis. We'd be better off if people wasted more food rather than cramming it down their bloated gullets.
>> No. 26183 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:23 pm
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Growing up as a povvo meant I am almost pathologically incapable of wasting food. I live out of the reduced section even though I can now afford not to. I know some people who live exclusively off takeaway and are scared of cooking, and I know people who can make every last grain of rice count. I don't think it's anything to do with age.

But yeah, the youngest millenials are, at an absolute push, 22. Oh, I just realised it was a Daily Mail article. Makes sense.
>> No. 26184 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:29 pm
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>>26182

I believe that the older generations obsession with zero food waste is part of that. "You don't leave this table until your plate is empty" is certainly a way to develop an unhealthy relationship with food.
>> No. 26185 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:42 pm
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>>26182

I remember reading something somewhere that suggested a generation growing up both being scolded if they didn't clean their plate alongside a rising abundance of processed, sugary foods in increasingly prevalent supermarkets, is exactly why we have an obesity epidemic.
>> No. 26186 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:48 pm
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>>26181
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What I mean is the meal they throw away was not ever really a crucial, important meal, like it might have been once upon a time for my grandparents
It's not crucial to them, but the emergent property of hundreds of thousands of people throwing away food and buying new food has an impact of food prices and the amount of fuel burned to transport it and fresh water used and all sorts of things.
>> No. 26187 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 9:52 pm
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2 points here 1. I hate to go all preachy vegan (because I'm not vegan if I was I'd tell you) but it is somewhat an insult to the life of an animal if it just gets thrown away.

2. 633 meals a year?! That's 1.7 meals a day! How much fucking food are 18-34 year olds buying?
>> No. 26188 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 10:06 pm
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>>26177
I think I've whinged about this before but from the other-side it feels like they binned half the workforce only to have the other half be worked twice as hard.

>>26179
Reckon your sandwich example is more about the environmental impact of that sandwich being made. We produce a surplus that rots anyway but maybe if all those prawn mayonnaise sandwiches (and the packaging) weren't made we'd have more trees or whatever ecolad is always banging on about. Less lorries too.

That said, the article itself points out that 'millennials' are time-stressed and end up eating fast food for convenience. I'd also add for a bit of comfort after a stressful day.

>>26185
I also remember it being linked to anorexia because it connects food with stress in children.
>> No. 26189 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 10:08 pm
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>>26187
I generally prepare an extra portion at meal times just so I can chuck it in the bin whilst laughing thinking about people reliant on food banks.
>> No. 26190 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 10:13 pm
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>>26187

>but it is somewhat an insult to the life of an animal if it just gets thrown away.

I get that, but also, it's already dead, does it matter?
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28th June 2020
Sunday 10:55 pm
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>>26190

It does if more animals have to die because people have moved on to the next one.
>> No. 26192 Anonymous
28th June 2020
Sunday 11:56 pm
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>>26190

It's a massive fucking waste considering how much energy and time goes into producing meat.
>> No. 26193 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 1:04 am
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>>26192

That only really works like that if I buy a whole cow and chuck it in the bin, though.
>> No. 26194 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 1:33 am
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>>26193

It's not you, individually, it's the act of millions of individuals incapable of grasping how their individual waste adds together to be a giant amount of waste.

Part of the green initiative over the coming years is going to have to be making farming and food production more efficient, because it's either that happens voluntarily or the massive disruption caused to the food supply over the coming decades forces it upon us lest people start starving en masse. I'm not trying to be preachy really it's just a heavy topic and it's tiring trying to think how best to emphasize this to people.
>> No. 26195 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 10:07 am
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>>26185
That makes sense. I was scolded if not beaten if I didn't eat everything on my plate, and now I can't leave an half-eaten plate. As a result I'm a bit of a chubster.
>> No. 26200 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 3:16 pm
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>>26195

I'm the opposite. I always leave a tiny bit on the plate, maybe a single potato or a few bits of vegetable. My parents were slightly on the hippie side of things, and I was raised to believe that a half eaten plate was okay. It would have seemed authoritarianist to my parents to expect me or even force me to eat every last morsel on my dinner plate. And I guess that was somehow more important to my parents than the notion of children starving in Africa.
>> No. 26201 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 3:28 pm
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>>26195
That's a bit of putting onto your parents something that is entirely your own responsibility. I eat everything on my plate because I'm a greedy git.
>> No. 26205 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:53 pm
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Surely portion control is something everybody is aware of. When you are old and hopefully responsible enough to prepare food for yourself, you should really know how much you need to be happy. If you feel a bit peckish a couple of hours later, a couple of biccies with a cuppa helps. It's not difficult for me unless I'm having some kind of anorexia brought on by intermittent depression.

Something has gone badly wrong with our society's relationship with food if loads ends up being thrown away. Is there still a knock on effect from rationing?
>> No. 26207 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:57 pm
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>>26205

We have an obesity epidemic, do you really think portion control comes naturally to many people?
>> No. 26208 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 5:13 pm
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>>26207
I really don't get it though, I've told that many fatties over the years to simply cook less, so they pile less onto their plates, so to either slow down weight gain or maintain what they have.

I can sort of see how a reaction against "finish what's on your plate or no tv!" and the sort of cooking our parents were subjected to in the 60s and 70s from their wartime parents used to rationing, which was lovingly recreated in the 90s and 00s as we were growing up, clashed with the mind boggling array of...well...ready meals and cheap processed food that tastes better than generally flavourless, intergenerational wartime fare.
As a country, we don't know how to cook. Even with the sort of choice we have these days, physical sensations are physical sensations, there either has to be some food science voodoo at work in some processed food that stop the hunger hormone, or it's a cultural psychosis.
>> No. 26209 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 5:20 pm
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>>26208

There is some voodoo in modern food, it's called fat, salt, and sugar.

I won't get into the laborious argument of why people have issues with overeating and why it's hard for some (many) to stop, but just bear in mind that just because it is easy for you, that does not mean it is easy for everyone. I quit drinking by just waking up one day and not buying any more of it, but I'm not about to wander into the resting actors thread and tell them that it should be as simple as that.
>> No. 26210 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 5:27 pm
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>>26209
Point taken, apologies.

How would you go about tackling this compulsion? Would it be easier to start with legislation and regulations to kick manufacturers up the arse regarding what they can and can't put into food?
>> No. 26212 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 6:02 pm
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>>26210

Honestly, I don't know. I think we already do a lot of things right - prominent nutritional and calorie labelling, the restriction of advertising junk food to children, the push in education for teaching kids to make better choices. I'm not convinced regulating junk food would solve the problem, I'm quite sure people still buy full fat coke depite the sugar tax, and it's just as easy to become and remain obese on bread and butter than it is on crisps.

One thing I learned when I lost weight was that no one thing works for everyone - when I tried going cold turkey on junk food, as it were, I would inevitably fail and end up binging the foods I had come to crave. Counting calories only works if you are disciplined enough to be honest with yourself, and if you are severely overweight, you likely do not have much in the way of discipline. Losing weight for someone who habitually overeats is quite a big lifestyle change, and I think the decision and drive to do so has to come from within - I am not sure even something extreme like sending people to a government mandated fat camp would bring about lasting change.

I believe my food problems came from a lack of self-discipline, I was never taught to control myself, I got away with everyfuckingthing so I never had to. But equally forcing you child to eat every last scrap on their plate is clearly going to cause an issue with food too.

Perhaps you hit the nail on the head when you said that we simply don't understand cooking in this country - it's very true. If you can't cook for yourself, if you don't understand how or why fresh food is good, if you have no experience at all in preparing a balanced meal, then of course your crutch will become fast food, processed food, and junk food.

It has always stuck out to me that in Italy, arguably one of the strongest food cultures on the planet, has a higher than average (nearly one in three) childhood obesity rate, yet a much lower (one in ten) adult obesity rate. So there you might spoil your kids, but they still learn what good food is and how to apply that to their own diets as they grow? I don't know. It's a fucking complex topic, and is not helped by people, even obese people, who don't see it for the mental problem that it is. We still think "I'm fat because I ate too much" but never "why the fuck did I eat so much?"
>> No. 26216 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 7:05 pm
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Just to spite you all I had a portion of chips with my rice and curry for tea. I weigh about 73kg.
>> No. 26223 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 8:57 pm
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>>26212

>Perhaps you hit the nail on the head when you said that we simply don't understand cooking in this country - it's very true. If you can't cook for yourself, if you don't understand how or why fresh food is good, if you have no experience at all in preparing a balanced meal, then of course your crutch will become fast food, processed food, and junk food.

As much as I sort of resent this point, being a bit of a closet foodie sometimes, I also have to admit it's true. We're not as bad as the States (look up the sketty woman on youtube), or even Scotland, but something has gone seriously wrong in how we learn to feed ourselves.

I really have to wonder how we let it get this way. We can't expect education in schools to cove everything, but it has to be said that they waste an awful lot of opportunity to teach you actual life skills in schools. I can remember doing two or three years of "food technology" and "design technology"- Things that in my mum and dad's day were just cooking for the lasses and woodworking etc for the lads. But they were utterly shit. I can't figure out why, it can't be hard to actually let kids cook things, teach them how to do basic fresh bolognese, but instead they fucked around teaching us shite like how to make cheesecake, and in DT I think our grand overarching projects for two years were a pencil holder and a tee light holder.

Definitely adults who know how to cook result in kids who know how to cook, so I think the problem will slowly start to go away over the newer generations who've grown up watching Masterchef and instagramming all their meals etc. But we could definitely be doing more.
>> No. 26230 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 10:53 pm
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>>26223
>I really have to wonder how we let it get this way.

It is feminism and the Industrialisation of home life.

Feminism doubled the number of workers at the expense of our ability to have the time to cook and prepare food, which was replaced factories and machines of love and grace to providing us with the ready prepared and ready in five minutes.
>> No. 26233 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 12:17 am
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>>26230
Replace "maritime issues" with "capitalism" and you might be getting to the point, altrightlad.
>> No. 26234 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 12:24 am
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>>26233
To expand on that, and be a little less facetious: are you saying that women should once again be subjugated to the role of homemaker and child-giver?

No, it is capitalism that has necessitated, through the squeezing of the working classes and relentless pursuit of unsustainable profit growth, that simply to survive two people must work full-time. To solve problems of their own design, capitalists then commodify and sell us not only the pre-packaged and pre-prepared food, but the idea that we shouldn't necessarily want to cook at home.

Arguably, if we had continued along the Keynesian path, we'd all be working 20 hour weeks by now; aided by, rather than competing with, machines. At that point, it doesn't matter who's at home, but there will be someone with time.
>> No. 26235 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 12:37 am
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>>26230
>>26234

Apologies for the multi-post, but things keep popping into my head.

Pre-prepared meals of low nutritional value were invented, and had their heyday as a matter of fact during the anti-fisherperson's so-called golden age of the 1950s, where capitalists advertised them as a tool to streamline the job of the housewife; a way to complete your meal-cooking duty without having to actually do the cooking, when in reality Swanson just needed to shift a few tons of turkey they had rotting away.

Even then, when the majority of households in the US were single-income with a housewife, TV dinners were popular. So, I don't think it holds up that it's feminism that caused this. I'd be willing to say that the liberating acts of feminism played a part in bringing to the forefront the problems always implicit in the capitalist system, but feminism is not the root cause of that. Of course, it's useful for the upper classes and capitalists for you to think that - direct your ire at your fellow rather than them. If it's not women, it's immigrants. If it's not immigrants, it's bleeding heart union types, etc etc etc.
>> No. 26236 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 4:25 am
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>>26212

It's more complicated than that. Obesity rates are increasing in nearly every country on earth, with no clear correlation with cultural factors. 59% of British dogs are overweight or obese, as are 51% of American horses. Lab animals and zoo animals are getting fatter, despite their diets being very carefully controlled. Something really weird is happening and we can't really explain why.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)60813-1/fulltext

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20402841/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1439-0396.2007.00789_8.x

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3081766/
>> No. 26243 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 9:39 am
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>>26233

No I mean feminism. Feminism hasn't improved the lives of anyone, women are demonstrably less happy as a result of feminism. Houses prices have shot up because of increased demand, single income is no longer a sustainable option, and the level of free time per capita has gone down, 'productivity' doubled whilst the quality of life of people stayed the same. And if feminism continues to get it's way workers will lose the right to negotiate pay because men might end up paid more.

Feminism is the naive being lead into very stupid decisions that make their lives worse sold on some bullshit that it will make them better. You know how Americans will argue against state healthcare even though it is in their best personal interest, that is how I see feminism. I believe in equality between the sexes but we traded a massive drop in quality of life for the family to get there that was not worth it.

The people who benefited from feminism are the land barons and business owners everyone else lost out but is too stupid to realise it. You call that capitalism if you like but really that is a way to wash your hands of responsibility for letting it happen.
>> No. 26244 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 10:10 am
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>>26243
Go home Milo, you're drunk.
>> No. 26245 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 10:17 am
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>>26243
So, I ask again: Do you think we should go back to a world where women are subjugated? Should women even be allowed the vote? Where do we need to roll back to?

>Houses[sic] prices have shot up because of increased demand, single income is no longer a sustainable option, and the level of free time per capita has gone down, 'productivity' doubled whilst the quality of life of people stayed the same.

Where is your evidence that this is caused exclusively by feminism? Here, I take feminism to mean a movement which seeks equality for men and women. Could it instead be due to the gradual dismantling of social safety nets and the continued funnelling of wealth to the top?

>And if feminism continues to get it's [sic] way workers will lose the right to negotiate pay because men might end up paid more.

Is this you just pontificating, or? Googling, I can only find a Grauniad article from 2017 saying that it should happen.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 10:23 am
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>>26245
>Is this you just pontificating, or? Googling, I can only find a Grauniad article from 2017 saying that it should happen

The main outcome of the gender pay gap at the BBC was to achieve equality by paying men less rather than paying women more. It's where the direction of travel will almost certainly be.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 10:54 am
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>>26246
One organisation in the public spotlight (if the BBC had instead increased pay, the shitrags would have definitely whipped it for wasting licence fee money) does not mean every organisation is doing that, and also they haven't stopped individual pay negotiations, so I don't understand your point.

>will almost certainly be
I wish you'd stop with this slippery slope bullshit. Almost certainly according to whom? Just say women scare you and get it over with, lad.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:08 am
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>>26248

>Almost certainly according to whom?

I'm not him but it's just common sense that the most profitable thing to do if you're told to make sure women and men are paid the same is to round down, not up.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:14 am
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>>26248
It sends a message. One of the most well known organisations in the country addressing their gender pay gap by applying downward pressure on wages sends out a very profound message that softens it up for everyone else.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:25 am
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For a start, the BBC is not a profit-making organisation. It's not a company; it does not exist to generate revenue for its shareholders.

It's a poor example to use and in the profit-making world I can't really find any evidence of this happening.

>>26251
And if they bumped wages *for the upper echelons only* they'd almost certainly be dragged for that too. It's one of the only organisations required to publish what its talent gets paid. It's really just not the same.

Milolad, you've still not answered my question. If Big Women is the cause of all our problems, what do you suggest is the solution?
>> No. 26253 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:32 am
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Feminism is not the root of all society's problems, but it would also be naive not to acknowledge that largely, capital has taken advantage of the social change post-feminism in their own interests, at the detriment or largely everyone else, male or female.

But in general that was just part of a broader shift from the old inter-war form of capitalism, into the neoliberalism we know today.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:34 am
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>>26245
Okay I am going to take the time to unpack this properly

>So, I ask again: Do you think we should go back to a world where women are subjugated? Should women even be allowed the vote? Where do we need to roll back to?

I'm going to say second wave is about the point things went wrong for the purpose of this argument.

>Where is your evidence that this is caused exclusively by feminism?

Who said anything had to be caused exclusively by feminism, what a daft fallacy is that, no one could prove that because it simply isn't true. Feminism is absolutely the key contributing factor though.


>Here, I take feminism to mean a movement which seeks equality for men and women.

Well then you've taken a very utopianist view without considering the practical ramifications of implementation yes that is what feminism means. The Soviet Union was a “movement that sought equality”. Doesn’t mean it didn't turn out to be a deeply flawed and ended up making life worse. indecently if you applied the same logic to that you have applied to this argument about feminism to me arguing against the soviet union you would be saying "Do you think we should go back to a world where Russia was ruled by the tsar". There are multiple concepts at play here, and feminism is the blanket label we use for all of them which makes it difficult to properly describe concepts.

My issue with the practical problems of feminism can be ultimately be reduced down to the distinction between these 3 concepts
i) "That both the man and the woman in a family needs to be employed to sustain the household"
ii) "That either the man or the woman in a family needs to be employed to sustain the household"
iii) "That the man in a family needs employed to sustain the household"

Now what I put to you is that ii) is the ideal, iii) is the original state and i) is where we are now, and is actually a worse situation than iii) it represents a doubling in cost to sustain the same situation as i) and that is what feminism gave us.

Anything other than the practical economic implications of feminism, to me is an irrelevant window dressing that isn't really worth arguing the toss over.


>Could it instead be due to the gradual dismantling of social safety nets and the continued funnelling of wealth to the top?

No it couldn't just be "instead be due to the gradual dismantling of social safety nets and the continued funnelling of wealth to the top".

The direct cause is an increase in income without a increase in supply,

Take the most obvious requirement for living, a house, People had more income between them but the number of houses stayed the same; ergo houses could be sold for more than they were previously, not just more but double in real terms by very simple supply and demand rules.

The desire of families to have an advantage others by having an increased income has led to i) being a requirement of modern life, and that is worse for everyone.
>> No. 26255 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:47 am
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>>26252

>For a start, the BBC is not a profit-making organisation.

They are still in the business of maximising revenue, as a way to justify their continued operation and to feed that revenue back in. They make plenty of money overseas too.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 12:24 pm
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What >>26254 lad got right is that feminism has lost its way of being chiefly for equality of women and against sexism. I'm not saying there aren't still fisherpersons that have those goals at their heart, which really aren't objectionable in any way, but it seems that a vociferous faction of feminism has allowed itself to become lost in petty nitpicking and - still - blaming patriarchy for this, that, and the other. Add to that fisherperson identity politics, and you really wonder if there are no more bigger fish to fry. I posit that feminism's battles have largely been fought, and won, and to make itself still appear indispensable, it tries to pretend they haven't, and it desperately tries to make out other areas where supposedly new battles must be fought.

To be sure, we're talking first-world Britain here. Women working in third-world Asian sweat shops for pennies or staying at home bearing ten children are still something that needs to be sorted out. Those women deserve much better. But no educated white middle class fisherperson in Britain can claim that that has any significance for her personal rights as a woman in our country.
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 1:15 pm
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>> No. 26258 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 1:24 pm
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>>26257
Good for her.
>> No. 26259 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 1:29 pm
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>>26257
Like a budget Ashley Barbie.

https://www.instagram.com/kayteeee123/
>> No. 26260 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 2:22 pm
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>>26257

Maybe just not my type, but I'd never pay her money for anything.
>> No. 26262 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 3:36 pm
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>>26257
It's shit like this which chronic masturbators weaponise
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30th June 2020
Tuesday 3:50 pm
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>>26262

It was already weaponized by her. Dont blame them for pointing out reality, that is hardly fair.

The real question is how wide spread is this kind of worldview is, if it is growing and if it is normalised.
>> No. 26265 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 4:25 pm
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>>26263

It's not a worldview, it's sex work.
>> No. 26266 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 4:40 pm
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>>26262

Let chronic masturbators just go fuck themselves because obviously nobody is going to do it for them. No amount of whining about your lot in life has ever brought anybody closer to getting a shag.
>> No. 26267 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 5:22 pm
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>>26266

>No amount of whining about your lot in life has ever brought anybody closer to getting a shag.

It certainly has and often, but you probably don't have the right thing between your legs to appreciate that first hand.
>> No. 26268 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 5:27 pm
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>>26265

Are you suggesting that openly promoting sex work as virtuous isn't a worldview? Because I can find you about around 3 billion people who would have a strongly opposing opinion, at least publicly.
>> No. 26269 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 5:35 pm
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>>26268

I'm suggesting that tweeting about your sex work isn't a worldview, it's tweeting about your job. I'm not sure she's suggesting it is virtuous, I'm pretty sure the second tweet is tongue in cheek rather than a call to stop giving men affection unless they directly pay for it.
>> No. 26270 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 6:19 pm
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>>26269
Lad everything is up for debate and a worldview.
If you don't think she is claiming it is virtuous you need to either get an eye test or work on your comprehension.

Let me simply it. Does she seem like she is complaining or is having a negative experience? No. Does she seem like she is having a positive experience and quite probably bragging about it? Yes. Then she is treating the behaviour as virtuous even without considering the second tweet.
>> No. 26271 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 6:21 pm
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>>26270

I did assume we'd end up arguing the semantics of words like worldview and virtuous and I just can't be fucking arsed lad. Don't get yourself too worked up thinking that this prostitute is heralding the new world order.
>> No. 26272 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 6:25 pm
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>>26268

It's no more a world view than being a stock broker and tweeting about the buys and sells you've done on a day at the office. Yes, you could take it to that level and say tweeting about the shedloads of money you allegedly make on your transactions is meant to give the impression that capitalism and free markets are good. But just stating fact that you turned a profit of 10p on the pound selling Google shares is about on par with saying you had a john who liked three fingers up his arse. It's a description of what you did that day, not an endorsement of a particular world view.
>> No. 26273 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 7:30 pm
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>>26272
Hang on, by tweeting you clearly do view it as important enough to go through the effort of typing. When it concerns yourself the nature of social media and moral self-schema would indicate approval. Otherwise how could we justify trying to bang up people who make jokes at airports and convicting 15 year olds for quoting rap lyrics?

She probably isn't even aware of how fucked up it is and the second line alludes to a traditional justification in feminine wiles going back beyond Lysistrata. I mean, it works, but it's a failure to recognise the dehumanisation of both parties. I hope they're all out of Turkey Twizzlers the next time she goes to Asda.

>It's no more a world view than being a stock broker and tweeting about the buys and sells you've done on a day at the office.

You don't actually do this...do you, Investmentlad?
>> No. 26274 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 7:48 pm
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>>26273

>You don't actually do this...do you, Investmentlad?

I dabbled in stock trading as a retail investor for some time, but I've stopped. It's not a good way to make money. Most people never do, if you weigh occasional profits against the shedloads of money you can lose in the blink of an eye when the market doesn't go your way.

The only way to be long-term profitable is to be trading other people's money, and millions of it, with state of the art professional trading computers. You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Even just the fact that you're risking your own money is one big reason why amateur traders fail.

Self sage for pointless rambling.
>> No. 26275 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 8:46 pm
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>>26274
There are plenty of ways to be long term profitable but it comes from being the guy who owns the music shop rather than making it in a band.

And I have personally worked in at least 4 different types of music shop in my professional career.
>> No. 26276 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 8:54 pm
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>>26274
>with state of the art professional trading computers

You don't even have to do any of that. You just need that sweet sweet ongoing fee.
>> No. 26277 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 9:09 pm
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>>26257

The only thing I find annoying about shit like this is that in a fair world I'd be able to make a pithy retort like "Since when have you done anything for free, ladies?"

It's an obvious joke and a very cynical view of gender relations, but frankly, so is hers. In fact it's basically the same joke, if we are assuming her second tweet is tongue in cheek.Fair should be fair.

But in the world we live in, it's not. I can already feel at least three of you want to downvote me for saying this.
>> No. 26278 Anonymous
30th June 2020
Tuesday 11:52 pm
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>>26212
(Before reading the intervening posts)
I've often said to people I have a problem with the British attitude to cooking, because the traditional dishes we prepare are often terrible and end up tasting like boiled veg, meat and stodge. Yet we have produce grown in this country, like anywhere else, that just needs that touch, a bit of care, and some seasoning to enhance what flavours are there. It's the social factor of mealtimes and eating that seems to have gone (I've just looked at I'mASkepticYoutuber™'s mate's shite about feminism and I disagree), there's honestly something fulfilling about serving your own recipe of fish pie, or a way of doing roast veggies and stuffing the chicken meat itself with minced garlic, herbs and bacon. Or it's like going out for a meal with other people - the portion isn't particularly bigger than what you'd cram on your plate yourself, but because you've spent that time asking each other about god knows what, you feel more stuffed than had you been at home. I wonder if that explains the general Mediterranean phenomenon of fatty, rich diets and longevity?

I looked at something yesterday from Action on Sugar, and it seems some steps are being made by ready meal and snack manufacturers to reduce fat, salt and sugar in their goods.

Hopefully you'll find a way to control your health to the point it just feels normal, we're all trying, we've all got each others' backs.
>> No. 26279 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 12:17 am
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>>26278
Right, sage for double post.

It seems the thing with feminism to me is that it's simply been somewhat co-opted into thinking that as long as there's a woman CEO doing the same despicable shite their male counterparts are doing, then everything is fixed.

Has the liberation from preparing a meal by putting it in the radarange for 5 minutes liberated women from domestic and sexual violence and harassment? Like BLM right now, the issue is and always was about culture, not allowing people from whichever group to each wear the boots, as that addresses precisely sod all with regards to abuses of power at an international to a domestic level.
>> No. 26280 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 9:33 am
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>>26279
>Like BLM right now, the issue is and always was about culture, not allowing people from whichever group to each wear the boots, as that addresses precisely sod all with regards to abuses of power at an international to a domestic level.
How do you get that from "defund the police"? There's a quote from, I think, MLK doing the rounds about how his opponents will always try to pacify his movement with meaningless symbolic gestures instead of making real change and clearly that applies across the board; whether it's removing voice actors, greenwashing or putting Priti Patel in government. Rarely are these actually what's asked for but they're done as a sort of false concession. Then you come along and criticise the people who have been robbed off as though they were asking for something so pointless to begin with.
>> No. 26281 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 9:34 am
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>>26279
Just noticed you mentioned they're co-opted into it so I've just repeated something you already said.
>> No. 26287 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 11:06 am
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>>26280

Almost as if the one thing that needs to change is the one thing none of them want to confront changing. It's the economy stupid! /smugface

As for defunding the police, i really struggle to understand why people haven't thought more than two minutes into it. I obviously hate the pigs, as a yoof who grew up transporting quantities of drugs around in my car that would have had me banged up. But it has to be acknowledged that reducing police presence, in absence of any other social change mechanism, impacts poor communities disproportionately.

In other words, we can't get rid of the police until we have taken care of poverty. But it is, as usual, my speculation that by the time we've got rid of the poverty we might just find that we never needed to, and we had our priorities confused; almost as if some higher power was deliberately misdirecting us.
>> No. 26288 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 11:21 am
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>>26287

Defunding the police is really more apt for america, where officers commonly have million dollar pensions, top of the line guns, armour, and vehicles, and tiny rural town police forces end up with ex-military tanks, and overtime pay that encourages actively seeking an arrest, any arrest, ten minutes before your shift ends so you can make four or five hours double time booking the perp.

In the UK our police aren't quite as well funded, so it makes less sense, though I would argue that, in the case of my local police force at least, they probably don't need eight brand new unmarked BMW X7s and the loss of them wouldn't particularly put impoverished areas at any greater risk.
>> No. 26289 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 11:29 am
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>>26288

Even then, I'd say it's not that they're getting too much funding, just that we're letting them spend it on the wrong things. Maybe they don't need flashy cars, but by the same I don't see how stopping them having flashy cars would meaningfully prevent them abusing their power. They'd just be abusing their power while driving an Astra.

What needs to be done is redirecting their funding into more de-escalation and non-violent conflict resolution training. In the case of American coppers especially, even just sending them on something like the SIA badge course our JobCentre sends people on would probably give them better de-escalation skills.
>> No. 26291 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 12:08 pm
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>>26289
The whole system of US policing trains and selects for sociopathic behaviour, sending them on a de-escalation course won't cut it. The idea is to replace them in the 90% of situations they respond to where they'd be better off acting as a counsellor or social worker with an actual counselor or social worker. See this article https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
>> No. 26293 Anonymous
1st July 2020
Wednesday 12:14 pm
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>>26289
Humberside Feds had the best squad cars.

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