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>> No. 29291 Anonymous
11th December 2020
Friday 7:21 am
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>Lloyds Banking Group has revealed that its black staff are being paid nearly 20% less than their colleagues, as it became the first major UK bank to disclose its black pay gap.

>Britain’s biggest high street lender said the earnings gap was due to a lack of black staff in senior positions that come with larger salaries and bigger bonuses. Figures released as part of its wider race action plan showed the median pay gap between black staff and their colleagues was 19.7%, while the bonus gap stood at 37.6%.

>Black employees make up 1.5% of Lloyds staff, but only hold 0.6% of the top jobs at Lloyds. The bank pledged in July to increase the number of black staff in senior roles to 3% by 2024 – bringing it in line with the black population in England and Wales – in response to Black Lives Matter protests this summer.


I guess we've moved on from the gender pay gap to the black pay gap now?
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>> No. 29292 Anonymous
11th December 2020
Friday 9:27 am
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The easy solution is to pay their white colleagues 20% less. We can call it progress.

One day I see this mightily pissing me off when I don't get a promotion because nobody cares about working class representation. Everyone will just call me a sore loser but even now we have special BAME internships at work that are universally populated by rich kids who will likely be fast tracked up to the career ladder.
>> No. 29298 Anonymous
11th December 2020
Friday 2:59 pm
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The first thing is to achieve maximum diversity of Boards of Directors, then all the positive effects of intersectionality will trickle down to the plebs because all of the social problems we face are cultural and definitely not to due to increasingly unequal distribution of wealth.
>> No. 29299 Anonymous
11th December 2020
Friday 3:03 pm
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I always say I'm mixed-race on corporate forms. I mean, we all are really.
>> No. 29300 Anonymous
11th December 2020
Friday 3:14 pm
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You'd have to skew it to take into account future demographic changes.

Only 4% of court judges are under the age of 40 due to the level of professional legal experience required, with over 40% older than 60, so the average age is about 59. Unsurprisingly this means that white people are over-represented as judges, based on the current demographics of the country.

If you were to resolve this you would have to create a time machine and to begin disproportionately welcoming ethnic minorities into the legal profession almost four decades ago.
>> No. 29347 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 10:58 am
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Class is deftly sidestepped in most public discussions of this kind, I agree, but there are researchers out there at least hammering home the point that class is at least as important as gender or race.

A book called 'The Class Ceiling' is a good bit of recent work on it. It mostly shows that class is a determinant of lifetime earnings even at equal levels of academic achievement, that class exacerbates other existing inequalities (such as gender and race), and that there are certain industries very statistically unlikely to take on working class people at higher levels -- medicine, law, media (especially television), and acting.

Medicine is a particularly striking example, and the one I'm most personally involved in. It's touted as the most inclusive of the typical "professions" as there's been a considerable increase in female MDs, but a glance at the figures show that people of middle-class and higher backgrounds are about 12 times more likely than working class people to become doctors, and those who have at least one parent as a doctor are 24 times more likely than those who don't.

This falls in line with what was published by the British Medical Association a few years ago: pupils from 20% of secondary schools in the UK constituted 80% of the applicants to medicine. That's not even the people that went on to become physicians, just the applicants: https://questionnaires.bma.org.uk/news/therightmix/index.html

Honestly, the experience has made me very cynical when I see corporate blurb celebrating an excellent, hardworking female surgeon. That's not taking anything away from an excellent individual career, but then to find out that she's the upper-middle class child of two doctor parents puts a significant dampener on the celebration of her inclusion, for me. She was overwhelmingly more statistically likely to have "made it" in her field than anyone from my school year, boys or girls.


It's pretty remarkable how many people believe this on some level. It's possible this is just classic divide-and-rule stuff, but there is something very insidious about it.
>> No. 29348 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 11:17 am
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That doesn't sound like a pay gap at all. Because it isn't. That is clearly a management gap, which is a different debate, I'm willing to put money on it being good old fashion lack of social mobility and less black people being middle class (even though everyone thinks they are middle class now which makes it harder to identify who actually is), as it clearly isn't the conspiracy that I am sure this will be imagined to be.
>> No. 29350 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 12:57 pm
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>at least as important as gender or race.

It's not "at least as important", it's fundamental, it's the root behind all the others. If racism is Mayhem and sexism is Bathory, class dynamics are Venom. Do you follow?
>> No. 29351 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 1:05 pm
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Not really no.
>> No. 29352 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 1:09 pm
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>it clearly isn't the conspiracy that I am sure this will be imagined to be.

It's divide and rule. Rather than focus on being underpaid whilst the rich get richer, they're trying to pit workers against each other and undermine solidarity. This attack comes from both ends of the political spectrum.
>> No. 29353 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 1:39 pm
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Well it's not my fault you haven't done your homework on influential early 80s extreme metal acts is it. It's a very elegant metaphor that works on several levels, if you could be bothered to do your research.
>> No. 29354 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 1:41 pm
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I think you're broadly correct, yeah. I think I was just mincing words a bit because I don't want to entirely rule out the possibility of racism and sexism happening independently of class.

I'm sure the former two would decrease massively if class dynamics changed, but I can't say if it would disappear entirely.
>> No. 29363 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 4:06 am
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Conrad Lant runs (or did run ten years ago) a studio/rehearsal space in newcastle, it was all a bit odd when I went. You'd think he wouldn't need to charge teenagers fifteen quid an hour to rent your room but there it is.
>> No. 29366 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 7:18 am
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Not surprising, most bands of that sort aren't exactly loaded. They're big names in terms of influence and respect, but they never truly had commercial success in their heyday, or if they did, that money will have long since dried up.

I always think it must be really weird to be at that level of sort-of-famous, in a very specific demographic, where you can wander about Tescos and the vast majority of people have absolutely no clue who you are, but every so often you bump into some grebo who points at you and goes "Fuck me it's Cronos!"
>> No. 29371 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 12:55 pm
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I think that's the only sort of fame I could tolerate. Back in my cheflad days I ran a place in a small town and people would just stop me and talk to me on the street about poached eggs and such - sometimes with reverence like I was on the telly, sometimes with familiarity like I lived in the same house as them. It was awful - it made financial and logistical sense for me to move to that town when I worked there, but I much preferred living many miles away.

The bloke dressed as a builder in the "hands, face, space" adverts is a family friend, and apparently nobody has directly recognised him from it, but often people just stare at him in confusion, trying to work out why he looks familiar to them. That doesn't sound fun.
>> No. 29372 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 1:55 pm
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Should've taken your chef hat off when out and about.

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