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>> No. 37942 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 5:37 pm
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'They took everything from me' - Father Ted creator breaks down on Northern Irish talkshow

The creator of Father Ted broke down on a late night Northern Irish talk show while discussing the impact his involvement in trans discourse has had on he and his family. Graham Linehan became emotional during a virtual interview with Stephen Nolan on Nolan Live today, stating, "They took everything from me. They took my family."

He said on the show: "Before this, all I was doing you know [was] writing comedy and playing board games and being silly on the internet, and then I just said 'Hang on a sec, stop calling these women terfs, stop sending them abuse, let them speak' and for that they just destroyed me."

The comedian and writer confirmed the breakup of his marriage following strain from financial insecurity due to loss of work.

When Mr Nolan prompted Mr Linehan about whether he truly felt destroyed, he responded with: "No, because the one thing about this that keeps me going is that I know I'm right. I know I'm right. When you open up a newspaper and see words, as I have many times, about sexual offenders who have suddenly decided they're women and the words 'her penis' comes up, well every time I see something like that I just think 'Well I'm right and everyone else is wrong'." He continued: "It's a very strange position for me to be in, it's the opposite position to one I've been in for my whole life. Sex is important, women are real, women's language is important, women need words like 'woman' to describe themselves, these are all just basic things."


https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/national-news/774410/they-took-everything-from-me-father-ted-creator-breaks-down-on-northern-irish-talkshow.html
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>> No. 37943 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 5:38 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3St5XimKi6U
>> No. 37944 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 5:39 pm
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I don't have any skin in the trans/evangelist christian korean youtuber game, but Graham Linehan is a pathetic, hypocritical, cunt. Wonky faced fuck.
>> No. 37945 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 5:42 pm
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>>37944
Yeah I don't care that much for the whole trans-rights debate, but Glinner self-destructing really is something.
>> No. 37946 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 5:56 pm
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Glinner. These women you are white knighting for will never fuck you.
>> No. 37947 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 6:03 pm
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>>37946

It's funny how everyone calls a simp out for what he is when the women he's simping for are TERFs, but at all other times simping is a protected occupation.

I've got an idea: Men should just ignore women's problems, leave them to it. I bet they'd solve them overnight without men to interfere because they would suddenly cease to be at all relevant to anybody or anything.
>> No. 37948 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 6:46 pm
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Linehan seems to me like the object example of why in the modern world one of the most important skills you can cultivate is just ignoring things that make you angry. Practically all of social media is oriented towards making you argue, and that particularly preys on those who aren't complete idiots because they're so easily baited into trying to show how smart they are, how right are they are, and how wrong everyone else is. Linehan admits as much in the last paragraph and it's brought home something I've been thinking for a while: that being right doesn't mean anything. What matters is your relationships with other people, your own personal goals, your enjoyment or at least satisfaction in life. Having the right little viewpoint in your head counts for less than nothing, and it ought to be in the DSM if you'd throw any of the other things away just to "win" an argument. It's very hard to know or to admit you're wrong - and as he says, it's thinking he's right that keeps him going - but as a second best you can always ignore things. Take up planespotting. Far more relaxing and unlike in politics, you're under no illusion you've the power to change things well outside your control. You either see the plane or you don't, if it's cancelled it's cancelled.

I don't think he is right - I think he's ruined his life tilting at windmills - but my line of argument works better if you accept his own assertion that he is. That makes it clearer that his problem is an obsession, rather than a particular set of right or wrong beliefs.
>> No. 37949 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 7:00 pm
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It's amazing how much he's thrown away because some people didn't like an episode he'd written.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2KsZHRrFpU
>> No. 37950 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 7:52 pm
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The majority of the pundit class agree with him and barely a week goes by without one of them writing about this exact subject in a Sunday paper, so I don't rightly understand how he can blame all his woes on trans men and women on Twitter, which is who I assume he refers to when he says "they". I sincerely doubt Father Ted the Musical was going to upturn the comedy applecart and usher in a new age of Linehanarchy, nor do I think the breakdown of his marriage can solely be attributed to his Twitter obsession. If the latter is the case then once again, that's noone's fault but his own. He repeatedly claims his opinions aren't anything controversial, but he and his comrades love to more or less state outright that "trans ideology" is being pushed by mysterious forces unseen, which I would consider quite a wild conspiracy and a very harmful one as well. One that almost resulted in government sanctioned kidnappings in, iirc, Florida only a week ago.

I basically agree entirely with >>37948 . I find Glinner far more interesting for his bizarre personal life than anything he actually has to say. I wanted to remind myself why he was banned from Twitter all that time ago while writing this post, but that's been completely overshadowed by what he did immediately afterwards. He logged onto Mumsnet and posted the following: “I’m really sorry to barge in on you Mumsnettters with my problems, but I’ve been finally suspended from Twitter and I have a feeling they’re either going to ban me or just take my verified tick”. He did this at 3am. I said that lad who emailed his MP at nearly 2am might look odd; complaining about your Twitter ban at 3am to the "Mumsnetters" should be an immediate sectioning under the mental health act, nevermind a minor source of social embarrassment.
>> No. 37951 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 8:15 pm
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>>37942

"They took my family" is such a fascinating insight into his mindset.
>> No. 37952 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 8:58 pm
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>> No. 37953 Anonymous
24th March 2022
Thursday 10:46 pm
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>>37942
>When you open up a newspaper and see words, as I have many times

I know the evangelist christian korean youtubers and the alphabet mafia have more than their fare share of nutjobs, I think this one sentence from Graham really says a lot. Actual cases of abuse and assault perpetrated by people who have named themselves trans are vanishingly rare, but newspapers and social media personalities are talking about such situations on a daily basis because it sells.
Meanwhile every single days hundreds or thousands of women are abused by plain old regular cis men, and plenty of trans people are abused and assaulted by other cis men and women.

Yeah a few trans people are proper wronguns but no more than the rest of the public. They're just easy targets, and one of the few minority groups left whom it's still somewhat socially acceptable to publicly ridicule and insult.
>> No. 37954 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 1:27 am
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Trans issues really affect (in real terms) no one. Does your Jenny have to compete with a trans Johnny? No. Do you on the daily deal with cis men in dresses invading toilets? No, I guess.

So who the fuck cares? So this guy wants to be called soem other name now.

I get that having a "penis haver" in a female rape support group is an issue,but given thise people can be counted on one hand (maybe two if you squint) why on gods green earth does anyone care?
>> No. 37955 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 2:19 am
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>>37954

>why on gods green earth does anyone care?

Because for a while now, the levels of sympathy and support for trans folk a (piggybacking on general LGBT support) and their issues has slowly crept up in the public consciousness, and eventually taken over the position good old fashioned fisherpersonry used to hold quite comfortably alone.

The fisherpersons weren't happy about that, and declared war; because think about it from their position. They spent all this time earning special protections and exemptions for having two X chromosomes, and they'll be absolutely damned if they're going to allow somebody with a Y chromosome to enjoy those protections and exemptions. To them trans ideology is an existential threat.

Imagine it in terms more relatable to current affairs if it helps- Fisherpersons are Vladimir Putin, and trans rights are Ukraine joining NATO. In objective terms there should be nothing stopping Ukraine joining NATO of it's own free will, they have every right; but in realpolitik terms, Putin is simply flat out never going to stand for it, because it goes directly against his critical interests.

Of course this caused a rift in the fisherfolk community, and the left in general, because this hostility made it quite plain to see something fisherpersons had long tried to disguise- That their movement isn't really about equality at all. Thus battle lines also had to be drawn internally, and the TERFs designated as a splinter faction of heretic fascists. But the truth is, the TERFs are the ones most coherently sticking to the established ideological framework of 20th century fisherpersonry.

So in summary, if our popular media and establishment wasn't already so thoroughly saturated with fisherpersonry, none of this would be blown up as a huge issue- it's not a huge issue, it's fuck all, but there's an agenda at work. It's just like when Jeremy Corbyn was suddenly the worst anti-semite since Hitler, and all the Jewish people of the British upper-middle class all came out at once to slag him off, then mysteriously went silent on it like it had never even happened as soon as the election was over.
>> No. 37956 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 7:46 am
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>>37955
I think we know how much attention we have to pay to you when you say things like "feminism isn't really about equality at all", lad.
>> No. 37957 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 8:21 am
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Recently a load of "Woman = Biological Human Female" stickers appeared around town, stuck on lamp posts, cashpoints etc.
For a chuckle I added a bunch of Trans pride flag stickers with them. Waiting to see what happens next
>> No. 37958 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:13 am
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I know it's not the same now, decontextualised, but this sentence fragment
>When you open up a newspaper and see words, as I have many times
is making me smile.
>> No. 37959 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:20 am
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>>37957
What happened to plastering Britfa.gs stickers about?
>> No. 37960 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:41 am
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>He said: 'My original bet was that the Ted musical was too big to fail. I simply thought, if they come after it, then that will be good because then people will see how crazy this is, how absurd and how censorious, how anti-female, how homophobic that this movement is.’ But he claimed producers have ‘rolled over’ to lobbyists’ demands and pulled the plug, even though the show had gone into rehearsal.

>Linehan revealed, adding that The Divine Comedy’s Neil Hannon had ‘written some of the best music you'll ever hear’ for it. 'We have songs for every character, we have a great story, it was ready to go,’ he said. ‘And just because a group of people have decided that anybody who speaks up against this ideology is evil, they've just kind of rolled over for those people. No one is standing up for me.’

>As he complained about cancel culture, he added that no one in showbusiness had offered him support, saying: ‘I'll tell you why other comedians won't stand up for me even if they agree with me. Every comedian at the moment is living under a kind of state of permanent blackmail. Every comedian knows that if they step on the wrong side of any particular line, it could be this or it could be any other number of things, there's a few hot button issues where you have to follow a certain line and if you don't, you'll be destroyed.

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2022/03/25/50420/father-ted-musical-axed-over-graham-linehans-views

He's in the right and he's so in the right that nobody is standing up for him but the reason they're not standing up for him is because they're scared of the trans-lobby, which only demonstrates further how right he is.
>> No. 37961 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:45 am
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>>37960

Am I alone in having been totally unaware the musical was happening?
>> No. 37962 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:58 am
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>>37961
Huge FT fan here. I was aware of it, but there is no way it would have been anything but self projection shite.
>> No. 37963 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 9:58 am
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Absolutely unhinged.
>> No. 37964 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:02 am
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>>37961
It was announced about four years ago, I vaguely remember reading about it being based on Ted becoming pope, but I hadn't heard anything about it since until the end of last year when Glinner was whining in The Mail that Hat Trick had repeatedly told him to shut up about transfolk and he couldn't so they'd given him the ultimatum that either his name was removed from it or they'd pull the plug on the funding. In his own words:

>Hat Trick had asked Mr Linehan to remain silent on the subject, but he had found it difficult.

>‘The warnings from the production company became more insistent,’ explained Mr Linehan. ‘After a while, I had a very funny meeting with a top public relations guy at the company. I’d hoped it might help improve my image. Instead he said: “Graham, I have to tell you, there are some people in the office who won’t work for you”.’

>Mr Linehan added: ‘In almost every company I’ve worked with there are now young employees who are ferociously authoritarian. They seem to think that unless you believe the same things as them then you have no right to take part in society.’

In other news, Father Damo and Eoin McLove are starting a new podcast about Ted.
>> No. 37965 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:07 am
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>>37955
T-bender inclusivity is what third-wave feminism actually is. The term has been co-opted to just be the worst things that everyone hates about sanctimonious green-haired professional bloggers, but originally, in academic feminism, the difference between second- and third-wave was about whether people who become women can be included in the struggle experienced by people who have always been women.
>> No. 37966 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:15 am
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So what are the chances that Graham, you know, is one? There's a notoriously high correlation between Those People and mental health difficulties, and Graham Shesaman is clearly suffering from some quite severe emotional disturbance. And we all know how often those militantly anti-gay Republicans and church preachers in America get caught with rent boys.
>> No. 37967 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:17 am
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>>37966
That's likely half the problem.
>> No. 37968 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:29 am
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>>37966
I think it's more a case of very extremely doubling down. He couldn't take it that some people didn't like a trans character he wrote in The IT Crowd and he's just gone deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole since.
>> No. 37969 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:40 am
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>>37966

He's not trans, he just hates trans women and their thick, juicy, mouthwatering cocks. IT'S NOT NORMAL! I WAS NEVER CONFUSED.
>> No. 37970 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 10:59 am
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>>37956

Then how come so many of them hate trans people? Well, it's because TERFs are not true Scotsmen is what you're about to tell me, but when you don't have that to fall back on, what's the answer, smart arse?

No, it's because trans women have penises and a Y chromosome, they are biologically male, thus they're not allowed in the special women's club; the special women's club is exclusive to women. The reason it's exclusive to women is because if everyone was allowed in, the game would be up.

The clash between TERFs and trans/LGBT people reveals the false premise modern feminism is based on.
>> No. 37972 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 12:17 pm
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>>37971

>It's easy to see why TERFs would have trouble accepting evangelist christian korean youtuber and I can only assume you're being deliberately ignorant at this point.

I'm not arguing about that. I think the point I'm actually making has gone over your head.
>> No. 37973 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 12:20 pm
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The way I see it is hubris on his part. It's pretty transparent how he's all about his own free speech for his own crusade but that this is totally different to that Nazi dog, Laurie Penny or whatever it was when he was all on board with the hate speech train. He was clearly a knobhead before all of this but much like Channel 4 he was a bit cool in the 90s and early 00s.

Pretty sad to see he's lost everything for it though. I'm sure some vindictive people will jump for joy but I can't imagine how lonely it must be to lose your family and your career plus nobody is named Graham anymore and he probably thinks about that sometimes.

>>37954
In a sense it's a symbol of a growing acceptance of Kimchi in the community - if it was 1+1=3 then everyone would just dismiss it as mental and not even engage.

Of course it's also the case that it's an intersection between competing forces and it just happens to be the current battleground. So you get death threats directed at 'TERFs', transpeople and hand-wringing politicians dishonestly advocating extreme solutions on both sides because being a dickhead gets you engagement.

>>37960
>Linehan revealed, adding that The Divine Comedy’s Neil Hannon had ‘written some of the best music you'll ever hear’ for it. 'We have songs for every character, we have a great story, it was ready to go,’ he said. ‘And just because a group of people have decided that anybody who speaks up against this ideology is evil, they've just kind of rolled over for those people. No one is standing up for me.’

Actually quite gutted about this. Neil deserves better.

>>37970
It's easy to see why TERFs would have trouble accepting Kimchi and I can only assume you're being deliberately ignorant at this point. If men and women are the same and the gendered brain doesn't exist then trans doesn't make any sense at all, if a group of biological women want to sit in a circle and discuss the latest boybands, men leaving the seat up and rejecting science for ideological reasons then they shouldn't get death threats or be made to play with others.
>> No. 37974 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 12:22 pm
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>>37963
>Absolutely unhinged.

>>37964
>Hat Trick had asked Mr Linehan to remain silent on the subject, but he had found it difficult.

As at 22.12.2019 Glinner had made 183,297 tweets. By 07.05.2020 that'd risen to 193,008 tweets. He was banned from Twitter the following month.

https://www.trackalytics.com/twitter/profile/glinner/

That's 9,711 tweets in the space of 138 days. That's an average of 70 tweets a day, every single day. In the first 14 days of February he tweeted a total of 1,628 times, averaging over 116 per day. I believe his most prolific day was 03.05.2020, when he tweeted a grand total of 334 times in one day; he tweeted a further 221 times the day after.

This is excluding deleted tweets, for example on 14.03.2020 the overall number of posts by his account decreased by 10, so the true number could be even higher.

He's completely lost it.

>>37965>>37970>>37972
Lads, if you want to talk about TERFs, trans-rights and fisherpersons fuck off to (>>15041) rather than derailing this thread away from Glinner's absolute mentalism.
>> No. 37975 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 12:28 pm
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I followed a evangelist christian korean youtuber on twitter for a bit to try and be equal minded but it meant I got shown various threads where they were just plain being hateful; what appeared to be adult women engaging in real '90s Mean Girl bitching about people's appearances and sexuality. It's hard to see that and believe they're engaging in good faith in other contexts.
Anyway she started retweeting Andy Ngo and posted fits of herself wearing "not a proud boy's uniform the trim on this black Fred Perry shirt is mustard not yellow" and that's where I checked out.
>> No. 37976 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 1:16 pm
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>>37973
>Kimchi
Is this a new one, or are you using a word that hasn't been used until now? It obviously relates to the Korean aspect of the evangelist christian korean youtuber wordfilter.
>> No. 37977 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 2:16 pm
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>>37976
Odd, it's the word to do with Bibimbap so I'm just as surprised as you.
>> No. 37978 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 2:46 pm
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>>37976
I used to be able to keep up with the wordfilters on here but now that just leave me baffled.
>> No. 37979 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 3:13 pm
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>>37977

At least they haven't filtered Gochujang.
>> No. 37980 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 3:33 pm
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>>37978
Oppan Gangnam Style.
>> No. 37981 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 3:45 pm
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>>37980

HEEEEY, SEXY LADYBOYS!
>> No. 37982 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 5:21 pm
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>>37970
I don't really think it's genuine feminism, but not so much because I believe in a "true" feminism which I subscribe to as because of the nature of who I find falling into evangelist christian korean youtuber circles. Often, it feels like the middle class mother type. The type who'd in past days would insist that they're not a fisherperson, because a fisherperson is an annoying student who believes in things. They got into TERFism not because they've got complex views on the oppression that women face, but more because of how fun it is to get angry, and perhaps (at the risk of sounding rather prejudiced myself) because of needing a hobby once empty nest syndrome. Feeling under threat and getting angry, feeling privy to some special knowledge about the importance of "women's sex-based-rights" (a phrase that feels far too clunky and state-dependent for 'real' feminism, even of the trans-exclusionary variety) it's all fun, it all makes you feel a part of something. If I wanted to go further, I might even say something about having had the experience of being a parent, of having kids who've already grown up and grown distant, and now substituting fantasies of how the transcult™ might've gottem for actual familial engagement - or to reassure yourself that you did a good job, or that any parent of a evangelist christian korean youtuber person must be awful because you remember when your son picked up a doll and he turned out alright without insisting on becoming your daughter. They may now call themselves fisherpersons, but they became "fisherpersons" because of a loathing of evangelist christian korean youtuber people, and the impression is usually hollow enough that if you bring up (say) the wage gap they'll often be the first to explain that men and women do different jobs so it's not fair to go around...
My issue with your line of argument would be that there are hardly any trans people out there, so the fisherperson game in your version of things wouldn't really be up at all if you let transwomen in because there's just not that many of them, and even if you doubled or tripled the numbers there'd still be plenty of victimhood to go around.
>> No. 37983 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 6:35 pm
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>>37982
Fuck off.
>> No. 37984 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 7:15 pm
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I just think it's worth pointing out that we all agree that men who cut their dicks off are a vanishingly tiny minority that can easily be ignored, but the vanishingly tiny minority of fisherpersons who are TERFs are suddenly at least 50% of all the fisherpersons and this is why fisherpersons are evil. You people are barmy.
>> No. 37985 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 7:33 pm
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>>37984
See >>37983.
>> No. 37986 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 7:46 pm
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>>37984
TERFs are not Fs the same way the HRE was not R.
>> No. 37987 Anonymous
25th March 2022
Friday 8:11 pm
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>>37986
I'd have gone with:
>TERFs are not Fs the same way MtFs are not Fs.
>> No. 37990 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 3:27 am
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>>37983
You can't tell me what to do anymore, mum.
>> No. 37991 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 3:39 am
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>>37986

But they are, they're RFs with a bit of extra seasoning. And an RF was always mental and barmy and wrong about most things. Nobody minds a mild, sensible F who just wants to have the same opportunities in her job and generally agrees that men get fucked a lot of ways by gender roles too, such as paternity and so on. But nobody likes an RF, because RFs are the mental ones who actually hate men, and are the just the opposite side of the coin from a misogynist.

This is the bit most people have trouble getting around. It's not the TE bit that's really important, it's the R. The RF already hated men, and therefore by logical extension of her values, that's why she's TE. evangelist christian korean youtuber is a redundant phrase, because it's pretty rare to find a RF who isn't also a TE. The trouble is that for years, RFs have disguised themselves as mild, sensible normal Fs; and shielded themselves from criticism with the motte and bailey defence of being a mild, sensible F, who just wants the thing a mild sensible F does.

It's like the bloke in They Live puts on the glasses and he can tell everyone's aliens- The trans debate is that, but for RFs, because they simply can't keep a lid on their insanity and reveal their true form. That's why they lose their shit when you suggest the impenetrable penis-deterrent forcefield on women's bathrooms be disabled, because in the ridiculous, delirious mind of the RF she truly is, anything with a penis succumbs to wild instinctual rape frenzy when exposed to middle aged women in the act of defecation. That's how they view men, and ergo, trans women. They are simply hysterical bigots, through and through.
>> No. 37992 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 9:21 am
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>>37991

I've noticed this in person; on one hand you meet people calling themselves fisherpersons who were telling us that women are slightly magical, creators of human life who we should shut up around and just do what they say, follow their lead - they were also vocally anti-porn in the same way that religious types are (trans issues didn't come up). On the other were "listen to women but don't expect us to do all the leading, vaginas aren't magical, step up too", who I've never heard mention porn but they get on fine with trans people. I'm guessing these are your RFs and Fs.

It echoed my experience with race campaigners too; there are some who say you should quietly follow the lead of those with the relevant characteristics and some who ask you to use your initiative to help lead alongside them because leading is hard work.

In all four instances it's hard but the ones seeking allies rather than subordinates have always seemed like easier people to respect, on a personal level. They don't have that far-away manic gleam in their eye or the sensation of having to walk on egg-shells around them.
>> No. 37993 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 10:29 am
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>>37991

As a society, we've largely forgotten just how odd the second wave of radical fisherpersons were. Valerie Solanas remained a highly influential figure after shooting Andy Warhol and getting sectioned. Germaine Greer wrote a book about how much she likes looking at young boys in the nude. Janice Griffith argued that transsexualism was a conspiracy to co-opt feminism, saying "All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artefact, appropriating this body for themselves".

Radical fisherpersons do a terrible disservice to women.
>> No. 37994 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 11:35 am
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What a strict Catholic upbringing and gender dysphoria does to a MF.
>> No. 38141 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 10:24 am
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I'll post some of his madness next.
>> No. 38142 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 10:37 am
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>For Graham, a vocal defender of women's rights, has lost everything he holds dear in life because he dared to challenge a 'subculture' of trans activists over the 'insane' (his word) belief that a person with a penis can be a woman. He began to share his views with his 800,000 Twitter followers five years ago and the fury of the Left rained down on him. Today his marriage is over, his once glittering career has been laid low and he is, as he says, 'thoroughly cancelled'.

>Graham is giving his first interview about what he has endured in the same week a brave group of women's rights campaigners launched what they call 'the most significant female movement since the Suffragettes'. In mobilising voters to quiz politicians about their stance on women's rights with the slogan 'Respect My Sex if you want my X', they are determined to put a simple and very direct question to our elected representatives: 'Can a woman have a penis?' Indeed, such is the toxic nature of this febrile evangelist christian korean youtuber debate, few want to be drawn into it, including Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, who this week refused to say if a woman can have a penis as he floundered during a trans rights debate on LBC radio.

>'It's mad,' says Graham. 'Politicians can't answer simple questions because these people [trans activists] have persuaded them it's complicated and difficult. It's not. All you have to do is stick to the principles we all know: the birds and the bees. People are terrified of getting into the debate, terrified of saying something wrong. If you disagree with them — if you say it denies biology or that it [the right to self-identify] is a gift to sex offenders and conmen who are able to completely erase any mention of who they previously were — they will try to destroy you. I'm not talking about trans people. I'm talking about trans rights activists. They tried to destroy me. They have taken everything from me. They took my family, my ability to earn a living. I haven't considered suicide but that's what I believe they want me to do. You know, I'm so cancelled that there were two shows called Cancelled and I wasn't asked to appear on either of them.'
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2nd April 2022
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>During the five-year campaign waged against him, Graham, 54, has been condemned as a bigot, accused of harassment and Twitter has shut down his account. He has been reported to the police on three occasions. Officers have turned up at his home twice. Family members have been attacked by trolls. His wife of 18 years, Helen, with whom he created the hugely popular comedy series Motherland, was threatened and her address released online. They separated during lockdown.

>'It puts you under so much stress that you don't have room for anything else in your life. You don't have room for love or anything like that. You're just under attack all the time. I was fucking bullied and beaten for years. I've been smeared by Pink News, The Independent and The Guardian — none of whom have ever asked for an interview, by the way.'

>On one occasion, two years ago, after trans activist Dr Adrian Harrop accused Graham of transphobia, Graham and Helen awoke to find police at the door. Dr Harrop has recently been suspended by the General Medical Council for sending offensive tweets to some of those who challenge evangelist christian korean youtuber ideology online.

>'We were lying in bed on a Sunday morning. I opened the door and let the policeman in. I said, "This is the guy who abuses women online. He threatens them and he's using you to intimidate me." The policeman shook hands and went off. My wife and kids were still in the bedroom. I just shook it off but my wife was incredibly upset. She was horrified the police had come to her house. It was confusing for her — and is for anyone close to victims — because she just didn't know if I was doing anything wrong.'
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2nd April 2022
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>'Basically what happened with my wife is I wouldn't shut up,' he says. 'They couldn't shut me up. I refused. I thought 'this is too important'. We're talking about women's rights. So they started going for her. They released her address online. They tried to get her animated children's series taken out of an animation festival in Ireland. They just turned their attention to her and, you know, it's frightening. The stress has its effect. You're losing opportunities, losing work, losing commissions, losing friends.'

>He was once firm showbusiness friends with Matt Lucas and David Walliams — but not any more. Executives at leading production companies who used to fall over themselves to wine and dine him in London's swankiest restaurants won't so much as take his calls. Then, earlier this year, he was offered £200,000 to 'walk away' from Father Ted The Musical by Hat Trick Productions, which produced the comedy series.

>'It was going great. Neil Hannon [the Irish singer songwriter] has written some brilliant songs. We'd rehearsed it twice. Then they're saying I have to walk away from it and offering me £200,000. I was really close to taking it because I could use the money, but they're saying I can't even have any creative involvement. I can't even go to rehearsals. What the fuck is going on?

>'These people, I thought, were my friends. They were saying they won't be able to get financiers for it unless I step away. I don't think that's true. I think the truth is that, like every other company, they are being ordered about by their under-35s who all seem to believe this shit. I've been called a bigot for years and no one stood up for me. Not Matt Lucas or David Walliams, who I made very famous. I directed the Little Britain pilot and they only got the meeting at the BBC because of me. Neither of them has had the guts to say "I know Graham Linehan and he's not a bigot".'
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2nd April 2022
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>A few weeks ago, Graham heard the mother of one of the swimmers competing against Lia Thomas — who identifies as a woman but is a biological male — talking about how her daughter had said she didn't know what she was allowed to do if Lia came into the dressing room.

>'She was in tears, saying she had to explain to her that she didn't have to put up with anything like that. She couldn't believe she had to have that conversation with her daughter in 2022. I heard that and thought, 'fuck it. I'm not walking away. This has nothing to do with my toxicity and getting people to fund the show, it's about women's rights. There's a huge failure of the celebrity class. If only one or two big names said something, it would change the whole debate. They're cowards. Despicable cowards.'

>Graham is a passionate fisherperson who campaigned for years with Helen to repeal the Eighth Amendment in Ireland which prohibited abortion. They loved each other deeply then and made a hugely powerful video about having had to abort a child of their own on medical grounds. The country voted to repeal the Act in 2018 by an overwhelming majority.

>His battle with trans activists began during this campaign, when he liked a tweet 'no one could have a problem with, that said trans people should be respected but women need single spaces'.

>A Twitter user responded calling him a evangelist christian korean youtuber [trans-exclusionary radical fisherperson]. 'I responded saying, 'Please don't use the word evangelist christian korean youtuber.' It's a misogynist hate slur that's used to tag women as acceptable targets for violence — rape threats, death threats. That was what started the ball rolling. It was my first crime. I read the tweet I'd liked again and thought, 'There's nothing hateful in this. Nothing bad. It's just common sense.' So I kept going.'
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2nd April 2022
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>Graham says he hates bullies: 'I was bullied as a kid. I was tall and my mum and dad told me never to get into fights, so I was kind of an easy target,' he explains. 'I particularly hate to see women being bullied. I fought back. At one point, if you fought back, the trans activists would reply, 'OK Boomer', meaning, 'OK old person'.

>Graham says he, in turn, would reply, 'OK Groomer', as he feels strongly that children — and society as a whole — is being groomed into this line of thinking: 'Kids are walking down a really dangerous road. They're going to be medicalised for life, but no one was picking up on it.'

>Within a year, Graham had attracted the fury of trans activist Stephanie Hayden, who was born male and holds a female gender recognition certificate. As well as identifying as a woman, Stephanie identifies as a lawyer and has a law degree, although she is not listed as a member of any professional legal body and has issued multiple lawsuits against those who have challenged gender identity ideology.

>Hayden and Graham became embroiled in a civil legal action. 'Around that time [of the civil suit] I got cancer of the testicle. It's fine. It's the best type for a man. They just took it away,' he says. 'I got £250,000 [critical illness insurance] and said to my wife, "Look, I'm going to start talking about this stuff because it's important. I know they're going to come after my livelihood but now I've got this money. Let me use £30,000 to fight [Hayden] because if we can expose this I'll show that I'm really about people using evangelist christian korean youtuberism to harass others. The rest of the money will keep me going until Ted The Musical happens."

>'I genuinely thought it was so mad it wouldn't last. I never thought we'd have Labour politicians unable to say what a woman was. I thought, "This will clear up soon. People will realise how crazy this is." So I started explaining to my 800,000 followers that there was a group called TERFS who are not bigoted and not hateful, but are being driven offline by a group of trans activists.'
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2nd April 2022
Saturday 10:51 am
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>Within a year, he had lost 300,000 followers. 'The activists wrote to friends of mine who followed me, saying, 'why are you following Graham Linehan, he's a bigot.' As the campaign against him became increasingly venomous, friends told him to 'shut up' for his own good. When he wouldn't listen, the showbusiness world began to freeze him out.

>'It started gradually with people not answering me publicly or privately on Twitter. I don't think there was one particular point that I noticed, I was just very befuddled by the coldness I was experiencing. I was asking people to sign a petition stating that they oppose the death and rape threats sent to JK Rowling. Everyone had an excuse not to. I realised too late that it wasn't necessarily that they didn't agree with me, but they were terrified and they certainly weren't going to defend me. I had a thing cancelled in Australia where I was supposed to talk about comedy writing. I was asked to write a companion piece to the play Black Comedy, one of my favourite pieces, and a couple of weeks after asking me they took it away.

>'Then one day in June 2020, I checked into Twitter. I got a load of weird flurries and then it disappeared.' Twitter had banned him, accusing him of 'misusing the platform'. They banned me simply because there was a mass reporting campaign against me. They went back and found tweets that weren't illegal or against their terms and conditions when I wrote them.'

>Graham stops. He looks truly weary. Throughout this lengthy interview, his knee has been going up and down and his hands tremble. You realise it is not only his career and marriage that have been deeply affected by this nastiness. In the two years since Twitter closed him down, he has written regularly on the online platform Substack, in the newsletter The Glinner Update, where he has thousands of paid subscribers who help him pay his bills.

>'I just keep thinking people will realise what's going on and I'll be vindicated. Sometimes you just have to say, "that's a bloke". You have to protect women. That's what keeps me going. And every time I get people like rape victims writing to me saying, "thank you for doing what you're doing", I know I'm on the right track and I'm not going to stop. But when is someone in authority going to say, "Hang on a second. This is insane. When will the adults finally enter the room?"'
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2nd April 2022
Saturday 10:51 am
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>As well as identifying as a woman, Stephanie identifies as a lawyer and has a law degree, although she is not listed as a member of any professional legal body and has issued multiple lawsuits against those who have challenged gender identity ideology.
I only skimmed it but that's a deftly delivered nugget.

Anyway, calm down on the Glinner spam.
>> No. 38149 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 10:56 am
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That's the full lot. The thing that caught my eye in the article, which isn't even about Glinner, was the part saying a women's rights group are going to keep asking politicians whether a woman can have a penis. Labour are fucked.
>> No. 38153 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 4:21 pm
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What an awful interview that is. But he says he's a committed fisherperson. How many women worked on his shows? How many episodes of Father Ted were directed by women? There are plenty of female directors looking to break into the industry, and not getting the opportunities because they are women. Did Graham care about that? So many people in his say that no, actually, they're not bigots, they're actually just too fisherperson for the rest of us. But given opportunities to help women, to promote women, to fund women's charities and to do their bit for gender equality, they are mysteriously silent. It was very nice of him to campaign for abortion rights in Ireland; that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. He did it once, and the interview concedes that basically everyone supported it anyway. Perhaps he should go and campaign in America, where women's abortion rights are being eroded. But he isn't. He's only interested in women's rights when it works as an excuse to explain his other comments. He talks in the interview about how his poor wife was so upset by the big mean policemen who made her cry. Poor little wifey. She's such a sweet girl. Not exactly empowering terminology, is it? This man is a professional writer who claims to be very passionate about such things. Well, he clearly isn't.
>> No. 38156 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 5:31 pm
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>>38149

What will they actually do if someone just says "yes" to that question?
>> No. 38157 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 5:53 pm
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>>38156
Presumably, the correct answer is "a trans woman can have a penis, but a cis woman cannot"?
>> No. 38158 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 6:15 pm
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I'm a big fan of
>She can have my penis any time! Phwoooaaarr!
>> No. 38159 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 6:33 pm
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>Well, he clearly isn't.
Not when you're the lead act at a drum & bias show. You simply can't judge someone's ideology by what they haven't done, that's crap.

You even actually mentioned him going out of his way for feminism, then handwaved it as 'everyone else was doing it anyway so it doesn't' count. Falling back on quibbling specificc terminology during a single segment of a stressful interview (note the use of emotive adjectives I'm copying off you) is just transparent - do you see all wording at all times as precisely illustrative of the exact internal biases of any single person?

He's off the fucking deep end clearly, but your post was also a mess.
>> No. 38161 Anonymous
2nd April 2022
Saturday 7:36 pm
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>emotive adjectives I'm copying off you
And I was being emotive because the article was deliberately and needlessly emotive.
>a single segment of a stressful interview
If he thought that supportive softball interview was stressful, I'm not surprised he's gone mad.
>> No. 38167 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 3:46 pm
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>>38157
What about the mad ones that have their cock chopped off? And then there's the fact that trans-women keep their vagina while gaining a pseudo-cock, a reverse-futa.
>> No. 38168 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
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Does it mean I'm gay if I would fuck Blair White?
>> No. 38169 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 3:57 pm
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No, but it does make you a bit of a gammon.
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3rd April 2022
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>>38168

Go for Kim Petras instead, if you like watered-down white K pop and don't want to mess with dangly bits.
>> No. 38171 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 4:42 pm
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>a gammon
I don't get it.
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3rd April 2022
Sunday 4:56 pm
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>>38171

>Blaire White (born September 14, 1993) is an American YouTuber and political commentator. Politically right-wing, White has been critical of third-wave feminism, activists she views as social justice warriors, and activist movements such as Black Lives Matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaire_White
>> No. 38173 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 5:02 pm
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>>38170

She's gone off the rails a bit since her K-pop phase...


>> No. 38174 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 5:20 pm
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Ah right well I'm not interested in her politics I just want a blowie.
>> No. 38175 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 8:32 pm
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>>38173

Just too much of everything.

She was very pretty and natural when she was about 18-22, in a way that put many real women to shame, but nowadays, she's really more a glorified drag queen.
>> No. 38176 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 9:03 pm
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>>38175

I'm not calling you a carpet-bagger, but I'm not not calling you a carpet-bagger.
>> No. 38177 Anonymous
3rd April 2022
Sunday 10:10 pm
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>>38176

Save it for the lad who's frolicking over Greta.
>> No. 38178 Anonymous
4th April 2022
Monday 12:36 am
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If women can have penises then why do evangelist christian korean youtubers go through all the bother to have their johnsons inverted? Do the ones who want to have the surgery suffer from ingrained heteronormative oppression and gender stereotyping? If not, does it become an aesthetic choice like a woman getting surgically enhanced boobs or a man getting jaw surgery?

My best guess is that they think they'll be able to snag someone 100% straight instead of one of those weirdo evangelist christian korean youtuber chasers, but the neo-vagina technology isn't there yet so they often end up alienating both groups.
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28th October 2022
Friday 11:37 am
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>Graham Linehan has said he’s unsure about the safety of COVID vaccines and the reality of climate change, suggesting that such a heavy entrenchment in anti-trans activism has far-reaching consequences.

>Former comedy writer Linehan, whose career and marriage has crumbled since he dedicated his entire life to so-called ‘ evangelist christian korean youtube’ activism, made the comments in an interview with anti-trans YouTuber Stephen Knight. He explained that since his political rebirth as an anti-trans activist, he has found himself more intrigued by misinformation and conspiracy theories.

>Linehan said: “What is COVID misinformation? We don’t know anymore! One of the big problems with where we are at the moment as a society is we literally do not know who to believe. If another massive pandemic happened, good luck to the government trying to get anybody to do anything. Because no one knows whether they were all just conned for a few years, or whether their life expectancy is being shortened as some people like Brett Weinstein have said about some of the vaccines. No one knows! We don’t know! I don’t even know, I’m not even sure I’m 100 per cent on climate change anymore because I’ve been lied to so conclusively by all the people I used to trust.”

>Elsewhere in the interview, Linehan negligently compared being trans to having anorexia or bulimia, blamed a friend’s relapse into alcoholism on their trans son, and said that he got into anti-trans activism because of his opposition to the burka, before hitting out at those who don’t want to work with him anymore: “None of them have any courage, none of them have any principles, they fold like a cheap suit every time.”

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/10/01/graham-linehan-covid-transphobia-climate-change/
>> No. 39576 Anonymous
28th October 2022
Friday 11:43 am
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Can != have to.
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28th October 2022
Friday 12:10 pm
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>hitting out at those who don’t want to work with him anymore: “None of them have any courage, none of them have any principles, they fold like a cheap suit every time.”
I could go through all the shite he's coming out with bit by bit, but I've got a headache and I don't want to. However, this is the most annoying thing. How can you be so lacking in self-awareness to claim that disagreeing with you is not having principles, but agreeing with you is principles? Max principles in fact. If everyone just thought what I think they'd be displaying so much backbone, but they won't because they're cunts and afraid of being right(?).
>> No. 39580 Anonymous
28th October 2022
Friday 12:16 pm
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>>39575

>I’ve been lied to so conclusively by all the people I used to trust.

The thing is this is not an insignificant point, and it's one we should all take a lot more seriously unless we want society to continue down this ever more polarised, bitterly divided trajectory.

The thing about the covid vaccines that annoyed me was that they literally did spread misinformation and just about proved these people's point. Even after it was quite roundly and conclusively proven that the vaccine didn't prevent transmission, governments stuck to that line. The vaccine was still a good idea for anyone wishing to protect themselves, but if you actually genuinely do lie to people about one half of the story, how can you expect them to trust you on the other half? I mean for fuck sake they were genuinely planning to sack a sizable chunk of the nhs workforce on that basis, which was entirely false.

The trouble is it ended up like anything else, where it's QAnon anti-vax climate deniers on one side, so anybody wishing to be on The Good Guys found themselves defending the official line that did objectively contain misinformation, quite literally doublethinking themselves into believing what they knew to be a lie, while knowing it was a lie, in the exact sense Orwell intended the word.

It's impossible to have a serious debate when people immediately dismiss each other as part of this great meta-tribe, either SJW liberal MCU enjoyers or MAGA 5G implant conspiracy Nazis (two sides that just so happens to align with America's predominant cultural neuroses.)
>> No. 39581 Anonymous
28th October 2022
Friday 1:19 pm
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>>39580
Vaccines do prevent transmission. What I mean by that is that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected, and the virus will have fewer vectors to spread - be transmitted - in the population.

If that concept gets conflated with the idea that infected vaccinated people are less contagious, whose fault is that?
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28th October 2022
Friday 1:26 pm
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>>39581

>vaccinated people are less likely to become infected

But they're not.

What I mean by that is that they're less likely to begin suffering with the disease, but they are just as capable of carrying and transmitting the virus.

If that becomes conflated with being infected, whose fault is that?

Well. Let's be honest with ourselves. It's not the average Joe Public's fault either way you slice it.
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28th October 2022
Friday 5:37 pm
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>>39581
Politicians were taking advice from scientists and doctors, then getting the message mixed up through a poor understanding and/or wilfully changing the message to attempt to sway the behaviour of the population, then were reluctant to backtrack on things they'd said when confronted with new or improved data.

For example telling the public "dont panic buy masks because there's no evidence they work", instead of "dont panic buy masks because the NHS needs them more". Then when we had clear evidence they did work, the government stuck by their original message for months too long.
>> No. 39590 Anonymous
28th October 2022
Friday 7:09 pm
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>>39585

Yep. For the most part we weren't actively lied to, we just had the scientific evidence explained to us by people who didn't understand it. There's a perfectly reasonable argument that scientific messages need to be simplified for public consumption, but that's difficult and nuanced work which the government lacks the capacity to do. Politicians have the mindset that changing your mind is a "humiliating u-turn", but that mindset is toxic when you're dealing with uncertain and rapidly-changing information with massive consequences.

The COVID vaccine does actually reduce transmission, but only for a few weeks. The vaccine rollout was done so quickly that by the time we realised this, "vaccines prevent transmission" had become embedded in government messaging. All sorts of cognitive biases kicked in that prevented people from updating their beliefs and reporting the change in understanding.

One of the great unheralded disasters of austerity was the abolition of the Central Office of Information in 2011. To save a few quid, the government got rid of the department that was responsible for communicating with the public. That work got handed back to individual government departments, who lacked the expertise to do a decent job of it.
>> No. 39591 Anonymous
29th October 2022
Saturday 1:26 pm
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Can we all make some sort of gentleman's agreement to choose more aesthetically appealing OP thread pictures? Everytime I come here, now, I'm greeted with faux-trans Linehan, the bolt-ons of an elderly former television presenter, the odd looking lad holding a pizza, or that yellow cartoon creature apparently sitting on his own ballbag.

And that's just /sfw/, I don't know what horrors lurk on /*/.
>> No. 39592 Anonymous
29th October 2022
Saturday 2:02 pm
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>And that's just /sfw/, I don't know what horrors lurk on /*/.

The only real difference is the occasional post from the resting actors thread on /A/ and the fat lass thread on /x/.
>> No. 39593 Anonymous
29th October 2022
Saturday 3:28 pm
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>>39591
I also hate this OP picture. I don't have any problem with the others, but this one revolts me.

Perhaps if you stick to /sfw/ you won't have seen that post a few weeks ago where someone just posted his cock, but why didn't he have any balls? I didn't want to give him the attention at the time, but go back and look at it. He has an empty scrotum. That was another OP picture I did not like.
>> No. 39594 Anonymous
29th October 2022
Saturday 5:03 pm
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Do you reckon Glinner is one of those cases where he vocally hates a thing because secretly he's proper into it?

I've seen a lot of that in my years as a furfag, where the "yiff in hell!" types turn out to have been closeted furry porn connoisseurs all along.
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29th October 2022
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>>39593
What's so bad about the man behind some of your favourite comedies becoming a full blown mentalist?
>> No. 39597 Anonymous
29th October 2022
Saturday 7:21 pm
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Musk isn't all that fond of trans people either, especially since one stole his wife. Graham may find himself being unbanned sooner or later.
>> No. 40070 Anonymous
18th March 2023
Saturday 9:42 am
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Graham Linehan: the trans debate left me cancelled and broke

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/86b1af72-c25d-11ed-8e20-0f5794810aad

It feels like a rehash of him whining to The Mail last year (>>38141).
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18th March 2023
Saturday 4:07 pm
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What is it with the prominence of "trans rights" stuff though? From what I understand it's largely online, largely white, and largely zoomers that are afflicted with being born into the wrong body.

Seems you can't actually ask these questions without being labelled as some obsessive nutter like Glinner though.
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18th March 2023
Saturday 4:30 pm
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>>40072
Because you seem to think your daft question and grand assumptions can be answered dead simply, and like all the people who now tell you to just "fuck off" haven't been answering these questions for years now.

I mean, how long's Linehan been on this shit now? Five or six years? It's old hat and plenty of people are fed up trying to gently convince people when these days the people who fucking hate trans people have only gotten crueler, louder and more emboldened.
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18th March 2023
Saturday 4:40 pm
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>>40073
That doesn't really answer what I said but I do understand the ire of trans folks given how long the shit-slinging has been going on both in the media and IRL.

A Stonewall survey showed nearly half of trans people in the UK had been the victim of hate crimes. What I don't understand is why? How do their attackers know that they're evangelist christian korean youtuber? I live in a big city and I've never seen anything untoward outside the odd straight prick at a Pride parade. It's not as if trans people go around with big signs above them indicating that they are trans.
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18th March 2023
Saturday 4:59 pm
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>>40074

>How do their attackers know that they're evangelist christian korean youtuber

I mean. Come on lad. It's not like they're all perfect passes is it? You can tell a lot of the time, without wanting to sound harsh. Some of them do stand out. But there again, it's also probably because the "hate crime" talked about in that survey probably includes anything up to "saw a meme that could vaguely be construed as transphobic if you want to be offended on the internet".

The things is what I suspect is behind a lot of flak, and the kind of people taking it, is that they're not "real" ECKYs. The people who get offended at the slightest thing and shout the loudest about trans rights aren't proper trans people, because the people who genuinely want to be the other gender just want to be left alone, and draw as little attention to themselves as possible- If everyone knows you're trans, then what's the point?

There's a new kind of trans person and "ally" who have popped up in recent years. You know the sort, the enby trendy hipster pronoun wankers. And I think frankly, it's them lot who are both the subject of the most criticism, but also by generally being pretty obnoxious twats, giving the "normal" trans people a bad name. They're not doing it because they have a deep seated belief in the freedom to express identity how you want, but because they're awkward twats who have hijacked the trans identity as a vehicle to be a contrarian.
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19th March 2023
Sunday 10:36 am
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Sorry but this complaining about trans people "who get offended at the slightest thing" really rings hollow to me when we're right in the middle of a huge culture war in the media about their rights, drag queens are being called paedophiles, and Nazis are openly turning up to antu-trans protests.
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19th March 2023
Sunday 11:03 am
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>>40076
I've only skimmed otherlad's post but I think he's right. Trans people largely get flak when they don't pass and make people uncomfortable; a lot of trans people are autistic and they're not the most hygienic so people don't want to be around some greasy skinned lank haired freak who looks like a weird bloke in a dress. Even if you aren't on the spectrum it still takes a year or two before you can pass so there's that awkward period in the middle.

Case in point, Dr Ronx. She is a black, non-binary lesbian transwoman. She'd be a wet dream for the Daily Mail but she's been on CBBC's Operation Ouch for four or five series and nobody gives a shit. Why is that? Because she passes as a black woman and doesn't give off a creepy weirdo vibe. Bear in mind how loads of people went mental when they had a presenter with half an arm missing as it made the Mumsnet crowd uncomfortable.

It's how the world works. If you're attractive then you're okay. If you're ugly then you're not okay. Sage because we have a separate trans thread as this one is meant to be about Glinner's descent into madness.
>> No. 40804 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 8:48 pm
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>Father Ted writer Graham Linehan has appeared at a comedy show outside the Scottish Parliament, after it was cancelled twice by Edinburgh venues.

>Comedy Unleashed moved the gig to Holyrood on Thursday when a second venue declined to host the show. The original venue, Leith Arches, had pulled out amid concern about Mr Linehan's views on evangelist christian korean youtuber issues.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66534454
>> No. 40806 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 9:02 pm
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>>40804
Was it as gloriously unfunny as it sounds?
>> No. 40808 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 9:28 pm
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>>40806
I think he's acquired Eoin McLove's audience.
>> No. 40810 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 9:32 pm
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Please, no more Linehan, I hate this miserable cunt. I'm actually going to kill him just so there stops being anything to say about him. Where does he live, London? How hard could it be to find a middle-aged Irish ogre-man in London? Hardly anyone even lives there anymore, not since the Chinese property investors bought all the houses.
>> No. 40811 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 9:42 pm
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>>40810
He's in Scotland at the moment.
>> No. 40816 Anonymous
17th August 2023
Thursday 11:26 pm
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>>40804
>>40810


No matter what you think of him otherwise, he's starting to act like a real cunt.
>> No. 40820 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 12:25 am
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Has anyone with a Twitter account tried asking him what he thinks about tax avoidance, or police racism, or trade unions, or the war in Ukraine? Does he have even a single opinion on anything else?
>> No. 40827 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40829 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40831 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40832 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40833 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40834 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40835 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40836 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40837 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40838 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40839 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40840 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40841 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40843 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
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18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40847 Anonymous
18th August 2023
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40848 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 11:49 am
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>>40810

I like him because he makes you tranno carpet-bagger loving lefty tossers seethe.
>> No. 40849 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 12:08 pm
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WHAT DID YOU DO?
>> No. 40850 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 12:10 pm
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>>40820
I gave it a go just now, but he started welling up and mumbled something about me being "unfuckable like that Margot Robbie lass" before blocking me.
>> No. 40853 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 2:11 pm
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Imagine not only making the shitest post in .gs history, but making it ten or more times. No one "seethes" at Linehan, 4chanlad, he's just a tedious weirdo I don't want to hear about ever again because he's spent years and years going around and around; there's nothing more to say about him. We all have opinions like that, the difference is I don't rock up outside Holyrood to tell people how great Mass Effect 1 is, or why Microsoft is an evil, evil organisation that needs taking on the same way Nazi Germany did in the '40s. I definitely don't call people paedos for disagreeing with me. Because if you defend Microsoft you're worse.
>> No. 40857 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 4:44 pm
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>>40853
Some people have clearly made it their goal to get anything he's involved in cancelled. If that isn't seething and it's emotionally disconnected then it's even more despicable.
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18th August 2023
Friday 5:49 pm
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>>40857
Then go bother them.
>> No. 40859 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 6:12 pm
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>>40857
I suspect they take great pleasure in fucking with this Hibernian buffoon. Now stop using brain dead internet slang and do one.
>> No. 40860 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 6:46 pm
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>>40859
I can only imagine you're talking about the word 'cancelled'. I was careful not to say he is cancelled; I said things he's involved in get cancelled. His Edinburgh show was just cancelled and I only know that because it was frontpage BBC News.

That's not slang, internet or otherwise, you muppet.
>> No. 40861 Anonymous
18th August 2023
Friday 6:53 pm
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>>40860
No, "seethe", that's what I was talking about, you know, the thing you said, you cock end.
>> No. 41072 Anonymous
30th September 2023
Saturday 7:16 am
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'I lost my career, my wife, friends and reputation when I was engulfed by a tsunami of trans rights madness,' says Father Ted creator GRAHAM LINEHAN

https://archive.ph/j58ss

This must be at least the third time Glinner has written the same newspaper article.
>> No. 41073 Anonymous
30th September 2023
Saturday 8:30 am
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>>40861

I see thing, I get angry at thing
>> No. 41074 Anonymous
30th September 2023
Saturday 3:27 pm
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>>41072

It's a funny way of saying "I became an insufferable prick".
>> No. 41076 Anonymous
30th September 2023
Saturday 6:35 pm
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>>41072
Well-known white man discusses being silenced in yet another article in major national newspaper.
>> No. 41081 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 6:40 am
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GRAHAM LINEHAN: The world should remember Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint as arrogant, ungrateful cowards for turning on J.K. Rowling in trans row

https://archive.ph/L4qQw

He's still going.
>> No. 41082 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 9:02 am
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>>41076
>Well-known white man

Can we leave the dismissive racialised identity politics to the Americans? Linehan's problem doesn't have to do with being a white man, it's to do with his views on trans people. He also doesn't claim to have been silenced in the article, but does correctly point out that his career and homelife have been utterly fucked by the views he's expressed on Twitter.

That is a weird situation worth writing about, and he was a well-known comedy writer before all of this happened.
>> No. 41084 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 12:22 pm
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>>41082
>That is a weird situation worth writing about
It's not that weird; he's clearly lost his mind and is suffering the consequences. You might as well say it's a weird situation that Kim Kardashian dumped Kanye West.
>> No. 41087 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 1:13 pm
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He's not even white, he's Irish.
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1st October 2023
Sunday 1:35 pm
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>>41082
>That is a weird situation worth writing about
I'm not sure "I did a thing and now face the consequences of that thing I did" qualifies as a "weird situation worth writing about".
>> No. 41089 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 1:36 pm
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>>41084
>It's not that weird; he's clearly lost his mind and is suffering the consequences.

What about the article he wrote days ago in >>41072 strikes you as indicative that he's lost his mind? Are you capable of listening to anything anyone says, or do you just make snap judgements about their character and go from there?
>> No. 41091 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 2:22 pm
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>>41089

>What about the article he wrote days ago in >>41072 strikes you as indicative that he's lost his mind?

He chose to lose everything, by spending most of his waking hours loudly espousing views that most of the people in his life considered utterly unacceptable. He refused to moderate his views or how he expressed his views, and in fact did the opposite - he went from saying "I'm not sure that social attitudes towards evangelist christian korean youtuberism are particularly healthy or helpful" to " evangelist christian korean youtubers and their cheerleaders are all evil carpet-baggers" within a few years.

Either he is fighting for a cause that is genuinely worth ruining his life over, or he has become trapped in a self-destructive obsession. There really isn't a reasonable explanation for his behaviour that lands anywhere in the middle. Given the weight of evidence suggesting that gender-affirmative care leads to better outcomes for trans people and the lack of evidence suggesting that trans rights have disproportionate externalities, I side very much with the latter explanation.
>> No. 41094 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 3:10 pm
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>>41081
Fine. If you two insist on bumping this thread I'll join in. You filth, you scum, I-hate-you-I-hate-you...

Anyway, I don't understand this idea that because you worked with someone (over a decade ago at this point), you can't publically disagree with them ever. Yeah, all these actors hit the big time specically because of that work, but so what? What's this lord and peasant mindset all about? What opinions would J K Rowling have to express before Harry Potter and pals were allowed to stand in opposition to them? Iraq War 3? XL Bully's on hospital wards? Submarines for paedos?

I genuinely think Linehan's treatment for bollock cancer did something to his noggin. Either psychologically or physiologically he's changed quite profoundly. He's gone from being a happily married, comedy writing, remainer, to a sobbing divorcee-crusader against "gender ideology", concerned with the "debanking" of Nigel Farrage, a man he wouldn't pissed on if he was on fire a few years ago.
>> No. 41095 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 3:24 pm
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>>41094
>Yeah, all these actors hit the big time specically because of that work, but so what?
At a guess, he's sublimating his own feelings about everyone who distanced themselves from him onto JKR. If the children whose labour she profited from are bad, think how much more bad the adults who he worked with must be.
>> No. 41096 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 3:32 pm
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>>41091

That's not exactly what I was getting at, since he doesn't detail how many hours he spends per day on Twitter in the article, but he does describe having to speak to the police to defend himself based on his Twitter use, and then that incident being spun by a newspaper into an article about a "police caution". Wouldn't that experience make you emotional, or shape your views about the kind of society that you live in?

>He went from saying "I'm not sure that social attitudes towards evangelist christian korean youtuberism are particularly healthy or helpful" to "evangelist christian korean youtubers and their cheerleaders are all evil carpet-baggers" within a few years.

Not in that particular article, which seems quite measured. I haven't read all of his Twitter posts, but maybe Twitter doesn't bring out the best in people? What about the long history of hate figures that we have in British culture, and how we love to see (and spur on) a celebrity downfall? And none of this is relevant to the fact he's white and male, either, is it?

I don't accept your dichotomy of "either he's passionate or he's nuts", because he has been through a fucked up, weird experience -- I still firmly disagree with both of you lads. Consequences for your actions usually don't involve the full on blacklisting in your field.

I'm sure I've posted this elsewhere on .gs multiple times by now, but I am getting tired of debate by character assassination. Linehan is clearly still thoughtful enough to produce a reasonable article that rightly points out some pretty unhinged behaviour on the other side.

Linehan may well be a nasty piece of work, too, and I don't like the OP image that jokes about trans people being paedophiles (unsure if that comes from Linehan himself). I also don't like people who advocate for punching TERFs or anyone that justifies their nastiness by claiming membership of an oppressed class.

Basically, I am still stubbornly holding onto the idea that the purpose of public debate is to reach some sort of mutually shared truth and understanding of the world, rather than just to call eachother cunts and call them insane, or bigoted, or otherwise "other" if they disagree.
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1st October 2023
Sunday 3:35 pm
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>>41096
>Basically, I am still stubbornly holding onto the idea that the purpose of public debate is to reach some sort of mutually shared truth and understanding of the world, rather than just to call eachother cunts and call them insane, or bigoted, or otherwise "other" if they disagree.

What mutually shared truth can be achieved in this debate? Fundamentally one side is arguing for their right to exist, and the other is arguing for removing the other side from existence.
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1st October 2023
Sunday 3:59 pm
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>>41097

None, but fortunately that's not even a remotely fair characterisation of what anyone says on either side. You can't possibly believe that Linehan wants some sort of transperson genocide?
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1st October 2023
Sunday 4:22 pm
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>>41098
I regret to inform you that it was, in fact, a perfectly fair and accurate characterisation.
>> No. 41101 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 5:00 pm
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>>410947
>concerned with the "debanking" of Nigel Farrage

It staggers me that people don't care about this. We have it literally on record that his political views were taken into account and we've known for a long-time that being unpersoned is something that happens that even Gordon Brown went into the 2010 election looking to address. No I don't care about whatever weaseling caveats you want to throw in, the arguable defence of the bank is the costs attached to banking with politically exposed persons i.e. we've let the free market dictate access to a fundamental service since 9/11 and just forgot about the impact.

It's the ultimate litmus test of whether someone actually cares or is just out to score points for their team. Do people have a right to a bank account? Yes, obviously, or you can't live in a modern society.

>>41099
You can't just label everything as a genocide, lad. This whole Linehan thing started by someone uncovering a joke on a comedy show from the 00s.

My own take is that he's ultimately been caught in a vicious cycle on social media that has destroyed his life. Pushing away many people who you'd probably label genocide-enablers just because of how unhinged and myopic it's made him. The obvious treatment is a frank 'who gives a shit?' for everyone involved which would end all the culture war bollocks about purple bicycles and the Islamic speed of light that sucks the oxygen out the room.
>> No. 41102 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 5:01 pm
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"Trans genocide" isn't genocide, nobody's dying. Being trans is not a different race or species. If we didn't let them transform from men to women, they would still be alive. They would still exist. It's not nice, it's mean and unpleasant, but it certainly isn't fucking genocide.

I support trans people, but fuck sake stop using such a completely dishonest, hyperbolic misrepresentation of an argument. This shit is why everyone thinks you're delusional hysterical dickheads. Because you kind of fucking are.
>> No. 41103 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 5:44 pm
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>>41099
Oh joy, the wave of misrepresentation and polarisation of political viewpoints that has drowned every other shit-hole on the internet has finally come to sink .gs.

Please: a. Get some professional help for your victim complex, or 2. fuck off.
>> No. 41104 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 6:46 pm
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>>41096

>he does describe having to speak to the police to defend himself based on his Twitter use, and then that incident being spun by a newspaper into an article about a "police caution"

He doesn't say that in the linked article, but if he has said that, then it's bullshit. He was given a harassment warning by West Yorkshire Police in 2018 - that's not a statutory caution, but it's a formal legal declaration in which the police say "this person doesn't want any contact with you, so if you contact them again we're going to charge you". A harassment warning can be disclosed on a DBS check. I've only done a cursory search, but I didn't find any press articles referring to that as a "caution".

>he has been through a fucked up, weird experience

Crucially, of his own making. This isn't one of those incidents where someone is cancelled for a single off-colour joke or a thoughtless remark. He had literally years in which he could have come to his senses, backed away from the whole mess, decided that the game wasn't worth the candle and saved his marriage and his career. He didn't haplessly stumble into that fucked up, weird experience, he made a concerted effort over many years to dig himself deeper and deeper into it.

The ability to sometimes sound measured and reasonable doesn't mean that you haven't lost your mind. At his peak, Glinner was averaging more than 200 tweets per day, or about one every five minutes. He implied that Ian "H" Watkins was a paedophile on Twitter. He implied that David Tennant was a paedophile on Twitter. When he was inevitably banned from Twitter for a multitude of incidents like that, rather than going for a walk and having a think about whether this was all a sensible use of his time, he started his own social network. That does not strike me as the behaviour someone who is in full control of their faculties.

>I am getting tired of debate by character assassination

I don't think that Glinner's behaviour should necessarily be taken as a proxy for the broader debate on trans rights, but I do think we should stop paying attention to the kind of person who habitually characterises his opponents as paedophiles and Nazis. If we accept Glinner's basic argument - that this is a conflict between the rights of trans and cis women - then we should probably stop listening to a middle-aged bloke and start listening to the people who are actually affected by the issue.
>> No. 41105 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 6:55 pm
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>>41101

>We have it literally on record that his political views were taken into account and we've known for a long-time that being unpersoned is something that happens

Coutts offered to transfer Farage's account to NatWest, their parent company. He did not want an account at NatWest. He was not debanked or unpersoned, he just believed that he had a right to bank with a prestigious private bank that only gives accounts to the very wealthy, rather than the kind of bank that plebs use. Coutts did compile a dossier on Farage's political activity, which they are legally required to do under the Money Laundering Regulations 2017 (s.35).
>> No. 41106 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 7:40 pm
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>>41104
>I do think we should stop paying attention to the kind of person who habitually characterises his opponents as paedophiles and Nazis.

What about when that person is making more reasonable arguments? Do you think we should continue to ignore them on principle if they've ever shown other irrational behaviours?

>If we accept Glinner's basic argument - that this is a conflict between the rights of trans and cis women - then we should probably stop listening to a middle-aged bloke and start listening to the people who are actually affected by the issue.

I do recognise the need to hear the voices of those most affected and prioritise their accounts, but ultimately middle-aged blokes have mothers, can have daughters, or trans children, or realise that they are trans themselves, or might just care about others. I think there needs to be some measure of societal consensus about this, since sex very clearly runs through our biology and society. No (trans)man is an island, if you'll forgive the shit joke.

I am also a genuine believer in taking arguments on their merits. The person making them shouldn't matter, it's the search for truth that I'm most interested in. Linehan isn't wrong just by virtue of being Linehan. When someone is wrong, though, it's easy enough to point out in terms which don't relegate them to the other side. I don't even consider this idealistic, it's sort of necessary if we want to talk like grownups about anything.
>> No. 41107 Anonymous
1st October 2023
Sunday 8:17 pm
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>>41105
>Coutts offered to transfer Farage's account to NatWest, their parent company.

He was offered a customer bank account only AFTER he broke the news and found himself unable to get a bank account anywhere having received a letter with no details and why his bank account was now closed:
https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farages-bank-accounts-whats-it-all-about-and-whats-the-coutts-threshold-12915155

Which he rejected as it was too late and he needed a business account.

>He was not debanked or unpersoned
>Coutts did compile a dossier on Farage's political activity, which they are legally required to do under the Money Laundering Regulations 2017 (s.35).

The bank spent nine months collecting information on his specific case and and he had what has happened already to multiple people in the past. The work of the bank concluding that his views were "at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation".

>The dossier noted that “there is no evidence of regulator or legal censure of the client,” that he was unfailingly polite to staff and that he had recently been downgraded from a “higher risk politically exposed person [PEP]” to lower risk, and was on the way to being classed as no risk at all.
>Closing his accounts was not justifiable on a monetary basis because “the client’s economic contribution is now sufficient to retain on a commercial basis”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/coutts-records-undermine-claim-exiting-farage-not-political/

I certainly hope the bank doesn't close your account one day. It would be a shame if you couldn't keep paying your internet bill.
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1st October 2023
Sunday 8:55 pm
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The problem with Farage being unbanked is that I think he should be run over by monster trucks so I literally don't give a shit about it. I believe I said words to this effect when it first happened, but my position hasn't changed. He's an enemy.
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1st October 2023
Sunday 10:01 pm
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>>41108
Go back to your podcast, Alastair.
>> No. 41110 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 1:40 am
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>>41101
>It staggers me that people don't care about this. We have it literally on record that his political views were taken into account
Coutts is a private business. They're allowed to decide who they want to have as a customer. If they don't want to be associated with you because you're a frothing reactionary grifter, you can't force them to keep you on.

>You can't just label everything as a genocide, lad.
What do you call that thing where you actively try to remove a group of people from existence? You know, like many trans-hating bigots are literally on record advocating for. In the face of people whose only demand is literally to be left the fuck alone.

>My own take is that he's ultimately been caught in a vicious cycle on social media that has destroyed his life.
That's a shit take that fundamentally denies his own agency in any of this. He hasn't "been caught in a vicious cycle". He's a public figure who has done and said hateful things. and his reaction to it is more or less the Skinner meme.
>> No. 41111 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 2:07 am
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>>41107
>He was offered a customer bank account only AFTER he broke the news and found himself unable to get a bank account anywhere
We only ever had his word for any of that. He claims that he tried to get accounts with at least 9 other banks and was refused, which is funny because you have a right to a basic bank account, ironically enough as a result of EU law that landed shortly before we left. Even then, that was modelled after the pre-existing agreement that we had in the UK between government and a bunch of high street banks to provide basic bank accounts.

Even if we take him at his word, he could have approached any of the participating banks and got a basic bank account. If he did approach those banks and didn't come away with an account, it will have been because he declined the basic account because Don't You Know Who I Am. It's also worth noting that there are about a dozen private banks based in London, so it's possible that those are the ones he applied to and was rejected by. The business banking thing is slightly different, since some banks won't offer business services to people who aren't personal customers, and those that do typically require you have better than a basic account elsewhere.
>> No. 41112 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 2:27 am
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>>41110
>Coutts is a private business. They're allowed to decide who they want to have as a customer.

Hello American tourist! In Britain a bank is absolutely providing a public function under the Human Rights Act and it's been shown following the news that both the government, the bank and in broader public opinion that a bank provides a public function.

This means it actually can't arbitrarily decide who they want to have as a customer. I hear they must even give bank accounts to women these days.

>[various noises I'm not doing a tedious point by point for]

Graham Linehan isn't advocating trans genocide - your point is irrelevant hysteria based on 'like many trans-hating bigots'. We're hypothesising on what caused this whole show to happen as you would when looking at anything else going on in other people.

It will be interesting to see just what even counts as trans genocide at this point. Does it work the same way as the 'straight genocide' movement you have in the US?

And I said cycle because he's peddling himself along, geddit? We like to have our fun here.
>> No. 41113 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 2:42 am
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>>41111
Evidently things didn't work as you like then as even the debate in the HoL had multiple accounts of peers and their partners finding themselves without bank accounts or being unable to access monies. Now even the FCA is launching a review on how PEP reviews are conducted, despite this obviously only being part of the story as the bank in question did conclude in its own notes on its position as an 'inclusive organisation' being part of the judgement.

Perhaps it's possible that even venerable institutions like banks may fuck it up sometimes and even break the law.
>> No. 41114 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 9:08 am
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>>41112
>Hello American tourist!
Swing and a miss, lad.

>In Britain a bank is absolutely providing a public function under the Human Rights Act
No, consumer rights do not fall under the Human Rights Act. The EU's right to basic banking is defined under ordinary EU law, same as flight compensation and fair trading. The rules lay out the scope of basic banking services, and the member state governments have to ensure they are provided. In the UK, that is fulfilled by the basic services agreement that the government already had with the retail banking sector for years before that, which was the model that the EU based this rule on. You can go to any bank participating in the agreement and get a basic bank account, no matter who you are. If Farage had approached any of these banks, he will have been offered one at the bare minimum. If he approached them and didn't come out with a basic bank account, it'll be because he said no.

>This means it actually can't arbitrarily decide who they want to have as a customer.
Nope. Not only can they refuse to serve you for any reason, or no reason at all, in some cases they may be obliged to refuse you. They are still private businesses, and have a right to decide who their customers are. If they're part of the basic banking scheme, they have no obligation to provide any service to you above and beyond what that scheme requires, and if they're not part of the scheme they have no obligation to provide any service to you whatsoever.

Now go be a reactionary tit somewhere else.

>We're hypothesising on what caused this whole show to happen as you would when looking at anything else going on in other people.
We know exactly what caused this whole show. He decided he doesn't like trans people (at least those that don't fit his idea of what a trans person should be) and was going to spend all his waking hours complaining about them; meanwhile other people he was associated with decided that that wasn't okay and that they no longer wanted to be associated with him. It turns out most people don't like it when you start acting like a massive bellend, which is probably why you don't have any friends either.
>> No. 41130 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 10:26 pm
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>>41114
>No, consumer rights do not fall under the Human Rights Act

They do. Specific circumstances, in the case of the bank in providing essential services, are an absolute cornerstone of how the disabled can access banking services for example despite them being private bodies. It's folly to have a one or the other approach to European institutions and especially when it comes to fundamental rights.

>You can go to any bank participating in the agreement and get a basic bank account, no matter who you are. If Farage had approached any of these banks, he will have been offered one at the bare minimum. If he approached them and didn't come out with a basic bank account, it'll be because he said no.
>Now go be a reactionary tit somewhere else.

Bootlicking. And for a fucking bank that caters to the elite no less that has already apologised and said itself that it was wrong.

Now how about you stop screeching for five minutes and sit down and think about what we're talking about with Linehan and why having a bank, on it's own meeting notes, debank someone for arbitrary reasons (not PEP) and what a dangerous abuse of power that is.
>> No. 41131 Anonymous
2nd October 2023
Monday 11:10 pm
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Heh. It's one of my favourite features of identity politics rad-libs when they go "but but PrIvAte BuSiNeSsEs!1" and start defending mega-corps for trampling on the principles of basic human rights.

Not only is it massively cognitive dissonance but completely hypocritical. You're standing up for a bank because they booted Evil Brexit Man, but you weren't standing up for that bakery who refused to do the gay couple wedding cake, were you?
>> No. 41137 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 12:26 am
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>>41130
>Specific circumstances, in the case of the bank in providing essential services, are an absolute cornerstone of how the disabled can access banking services for example despite them being private bodies.
No, they're private bodies and they're not carrying out state functions or exercising state power, therefore the Human Rights Act might as well be in a different postcode. People not wanting to associate with you because you chose to be a grifting cunt does not constitute a rights violation. (See also: Russell Brand)

>Now how about you stop screeching for five minutes and sit down and think about what we're talking about
"What we're talking about" is how people who decided to be cunts discovered the hard way that nobody likes a cunt. That's why you don't have any real friends.
>> No. 41143 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 6:07 pm
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He's done it again.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/graham-linehan-dropped-agent-attacking-070121173.html
>> No. 41144 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 6:15 pm
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>>41143
>The event Linehan was speaking at on Sunday was hosted by the Institute of Economic Affairs and the TaxPayers’ Alliance
I want to pilot an Atlas mech right through Tufton Street.
>> No. 41145 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 7:34 pm
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>>41143
I wish I was so cancelled I'd get platforms at places like the conference for the governing political party.
>> No. 41146 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 11:37 am
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>>41145
I imagine it's a long way from the privileged position you're implying and there's very little stopping you from organising a panel there. That's certainly the impression mainstream journalists are trying to give by calling it a fringe event.

Not covered in that story is the fact that initially he was denied entry to the conference entirely, allegedly based on police advice, until the party chairman intervened.
>> No. 41147 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 1:20 pm
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>>41145
I'd be careful what you wish for.

>> No. 41148 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 2:06 pm
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>>41147

I should really try going on the pull at a Tory event. I feel like I'd be well above average, purely because I don't look like I'm just about to have a heart attack.
>> No. 41149 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 2:59 pm
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>>41148
All the younger lads are going to be the most horrible kind of Oxbridge scum you can imagine too, so I think you're onto something.
>> No. 41150 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 4:20 pm
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>>41148

Do you reckon Tory birds like a bit of rough, working class northern cock?

I'm sure they'd love a good firm seeing to from a bloke who doesn't even have a degree, to them you're a savage brute, almost more like an animal, and they can't help gushing over it. But in a longer term romance, you've got no hope, unless she really, really wants to get back at daddy.

Sigh. Is a rich posho mummy dom who'll look after me really asking all that much in 2023?
>> No. 41152 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 5:30 pm
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>>41150
I bet if you tighten one door hinge for some of them they'd immediately see you as some kind of sexual Tyrannosaur. You will have to reconcile being a "savage brute" and wanting "mummy to look after you", because those sound like two diametrically opposed desires.

But hey, why can't men marry into money? I bet if we try really hard we could. There's no way Sunak et al eats pussy, half of them probably can't even have sex without crying because of public school trauma.
>> No. 41153 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 5:43 pm
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You two have become so preoccupied with your wank fantasy that you have neglected to consider Lee Anderson.
>> No. 41154 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:04 pm
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>>41153

What does The Captain have to do with this?
>> No. 41155 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:07 pm
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>>41150>>41152

These theories are accurate, you just need to find a tory bird who hates her parents enough to want to use her trust fund to buy you a brand new transit van.
>> No. 41156 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:10 pm
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>>41153

Firmly in the "looks like he's just about to have a heart attack" camp.

>>41155

Yeah, but any Tory bird who hates their parents that much won't be at the party conference - they'll have changed their name to Sunbeam and they'll be finding themselves in Goa or some shit.
>> No. 41157 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:44 pm
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>>41146
>Not covered in that story is the fact that initially he was denied entry to the conference entirely, allegedly based on police advice, until the party chairman intervened.
Getting into a conference that the police said you weren't getting into sounds like not a very long way from a very privileged position.
>> No. 41158 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:48 pm
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>>41147
She's on stage but doesn't have a mic. She also looks like she doesn't actually know the words to Angels. It's the English equivalent of John Redwood 30 years ago.

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