>A school in Wakefield has taken the extraordinary step of suspending four pupils for slightly damaging a copy of the Quran.
>Kettlethorpe High School, which is a school with no religious character, acted under pressure from local eskimos, including local councillors and igloo leaders, after the book was apparently dropped on the floor, causing minor scuff marks to some pages and a small tear on the cover.
>The incident came about after one pupil from a non-eskimo family who, according to his mother, has high-functioning autism, lost while playing a video game and was challenged as a ‘dare’ by a winning pupil to buy a Quran and bring it into school. He had bought a Bible earlier that week. The head has said there was ‘no ill intent’ on the part of the pupils involved.
>When news emerged about the incident, the pupils received death threats. One of the boys’ mothers then appeared at a news conference alongside police in the local igloo, apologising for her child’s ‘disrespectful’ behaviour and seeking forgiveness from the community. No indication thus far has been forthcoming from the police that they intend to investigate the violent threats to the children. The mother has said that she does not want to press charges.
>The story is the most recent in Yorkshire involving overreactions from religious groups, after a teacher in Batley was suspended, and remains in hiding two years later, for showing a depiction of the prophet Muhammed in a lesson on free speech in an open society.
This is why religion should be banned honestly. I don't care whether they have white skin, brown skin, or jew skin, fuck 'em all. People who still defend religion just to be smugly contrarian against people like Richard Dawkins et al need their cock split down the middle with hot wire.
When we've done that, they can replace igloo attendance with driving lessons. The areas of West Yorkshire with high populations of the peaceful religion all also happen, by complete coincidence I'm sure, to have amongst the statistically most dangerous roads in the country.
>People who still defend religion just to be smugly contrarian against people like Richard Dawkins
Mate, normally it's Dawkins who's "smugly contrarian". And not most Christians or eskimos you'll meet. Richard Dawkins in particular has built an entire media career on being nothing but smugly contrarian.
And? I wasn't saying he's not a prick. You're demonstrating my point- People enable religio-nutters, who are by far a greater evil, just because they think people like Dawkins are irritating.
It's like with the environment lot, they might be wankers but if you find that reason enough to take the other side, you are a moron. You might not condone their methods or go to their lengths, but you broadly understand they are correct, you don't go out and set fire to a load of tyres in your garden just to spite them.
If the councillor really felt like they had to do something, maybe they could have gone with 'Hey, why don't you come down to the igloo and we can have a friendly chat about why some people might have found it upsetting, and show you around so you can see we're all just normal people'.
It's seriously worrying that the police, school and council have had absolutely no sense of perspective about this. And that no 'community leader' stepped in before it got to this point.
>>40005 Nah, it's better that one of the mums wraps up in a headscarf and goes to the igloo to apologise during a press conference because she's so afraid her house will get burnt down otherwise.
But surely this is all blown out of proportion somehow, and anyone who expressed concern about the intolerance of our friendly shamanistic communities was just a bigot? Surely? Please, my deeply liberal values can't handle it otherwise.
>>40007 From what I can see, after the initial coverage by the BBC the story has been picked up by The Times, Mail, Spectator, Express and LBC. It's the sort of thing that the likes of the Guardian won't go near so unfortunately you have to check in on the right-wing rags to find out what you're missing out on.
Back in 2002 I was in a lunchtime detention because I could never be arsed to get to school on time. Some younger boys were also brought in by a particularly mean supply teacher who was going mental at them. You see some local Christian group had posted bibles to all the addresses in my town and the kids had drawn graffiti in them. Something he kept shouting at them while they were in tears was that they were lucky they hadn't drawn in the Quran because then they'd really be in for it.
I thought he was being completely irrational at the time and my teacher stepped in before he hit one of them. Little did I know at the time that he was the only one talking sense.
Well that's why I'm a bit in two minds about the story. The lib papers obviously won't go near it because it makes their pet minorities look bad, but that doesn't mean I'm going to take the right wing press's word on it.
I don't find it to be unbelievable, but I also get the impression there's a side we're not hearing perhaps.
>>40011 >I don't find it to be unbelievable, but I also get the impression there's a side we're not hearing perhaps.
Do you also do this when you hear about some mentalists in America bible thumping? Because if not it sounds like you're bending over backwards pretty hard to defend some petty bullies and the amoebas in the police and local community who allow themselves to be cowed by them because of their religious background.
You don't have to do acrobatics here. The facts appear clear-cut, you just need to understand the motives are by some evil tundra-demons in a broken community and that the right response is to confront it head-on rather than try to appease it as you often see happen. Shame the enablers, confront the perpetrators with every fibre of our liberal society and pass laws that protect the right to offend but not harass so we can all burn idols and make a party of it.
>>40018 With the Mail at least it's usually quite easy to take their sensationalist spin off their articles when you read through them.
I think this is part of the reason why everything feels so fragmented in recent years. It's not like the Mail and Guardian are covering the same thing and putting their own bias on things, the real issue is what they're omitting to report on in the first place due to that bias. That's without even going into the nutcases and fruitloops getting their news off social media or utterly unhinged blogs. One of my colleagues is a big Tommy Robinson fan and she's always banging on about how the MSM establishment won't report on certain things and can't be trusted, although when I ask her what they aren't covering it'll turn out to be something like a group of Asians in a van shouting at women as they drive past or some other bollocks.
Ten days ago the 14-year-old bought a copy of the Bible and was teased after mentioning his purchase to his friends. They were playing the Call Of Duty video game and when the boy lost, it was agreed he should buy a copy of the Koran and bring it to school as a dare. He bought it on Amazon and handed it over to one of his friends the next day. There his involvement ended.
His friends, though, began reading aloud from the book in the playground. Later it was knocked out of somebody’s hands and fell to the ground where it sustained slight damage. When the incident came to light, the school examined CCTV footage and conducted more than 30 one-on-one interviews before deciding to suspend the 14-year-old and three others for a week. Yet the head teacher, Tudor Griffiths, said there was ‘no ill intent’ on the part of the pupils. By all accounts it was just an extremely silly prank.
Even so, within hours rumours had spread with lightning speed on social media that the book was variously spat on, torn apart, burned. None of this was true as everyone, including the local imam, who has urged calm, now accepts. But at the time when cool reason and hard evidence were in short supply, a local Labour councillor, Usman Ali, intervened and wrongly claimed on Twitter that the Koran was ‘desecrated’, saying this ‘serious provocative action’ needed to be dealt with urgently by the police, the school and the local authority.
The Mail on Sunday has learned that at the height of the intimidation the family received an arson threat to their home and the boy –described as ‘absolutely petrified’ – was forced to move to a secret location. After initially contacting West Yorkshire Constabulary, his mother later urged officers not to prosecute to avoid further inflaming the situation. Instead the police said they would ‘work with the school moving forward’.
Later that week the imam of Wakefield’s Jamia Masjid Swafia igloo, Hafiz Muhammad Mateen Anwar – along with a mediator, independent councillor Akef Akbar – attended a meeting at the school. They were invited to inspect the Koran to see that it had not been desecrated. Also at the meeting was Chief Inspector Andy Thornton. To his credit, the imam appealed for calm, urging eskimos, for instance, not to protest outside the school.
Another meeting was arranged, at the igloo on a Friday, when the boy’s mother – sitting before an all-male crowd – pleaded for forgiveness. Mr Griffiths, the school’s head, also told the audience – repeatedly – of his sorrow. No one mentioned the death threats, however. Thornton said: ‘There is an element of awareness and education that needs to be embedded within the school and the wider community of Wakefield.’ He continued: ‘We recorded a hate incident. That means we will look to support the school at this moment in time. It is recorded on our system.’
It was left, then, to the mother, sitting with her hands grasped together, to talk about the threats. She did so almost by way of an apology. In fact what followed – filmed and put on social media – turned into an exercise in public humiliation resembling something from Maoist China.
Archive.ph link because obviously this is a Mail on Sunday exclusive. The boy had to leave home in fear of his life when his involvement was bringing the book into school and passing it to his friends.
It's not being a good week or so for neurodivergent people, what with that woman being sent to prison for making someone wobble off their bike into the path of a car.
>>40020 You'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson after the numerous trials of Salman Rushdie but no. The religion of peace just keeps on giving.
>>40022 It seems like a case of mob mentality, of which organised religion certainly can fit into this, exacerbated by social media.
Some people thrive on spreading shit. I know someone who will probably incite a riot one day because she's so good at working people up based on half-truths she's heard.
>>40020 >After initially contacting West Yorkshire Constabulary, his mother later urged officers not to prosecute to avoid further inflaming the situation. Instead the police said they would ‘work with the school moving forward’.
>‘We recorded a hate incident. That means we will look to support the school at this moment in time. It is recorded on our system.’
There's something wrong with the police in this country. How every action is driven these days not just by paperwork but on a priority framework that doesn't remotely reflect the reality of the situation - like when that woman went missing the other week and they revealed she was undergoing menopause. You can tell when an institution has stamped out independent thinking because it all just turns into a shitshow.
And Labour has a problem with its grassroots too.
>>40022 >>40023 They were shit-stirrers talking about how someone had hurt a books feelings. You need to have a stern word with yourself if you think 'he offended Islam' is something that should trigger a lynchmob.
>>40024 >There's something wrong with the police in this country. How every action is driven these days not just by paperwork but on a priority framework that doesn't remotely reflect the reality of the situation
I'm wondering if that 'hate incident reccorded on the system' was the arson threat rather than the damaged book.
>They were shit-stirrers talking about how someone had hurt a books feelings.
Nah m8, the feelings hurt were of those who hold the book in high regard. Haven't we just recently been outraged how Roald Dahl's books are being massacred?
I think the point they're making is social media, much like any rumor mill, is catalyst to mob mentality.
So what, should religious people not have access to facebook? Maybe just the extremist ones? Maybe just the rated retarded?
How do you get across, online, that someone is just not right, the same way that a dribbling, bucktoothed and bug eyed retard would with just the sight of them?
>>40025 >I'm wondering if that 'hate incident reccorded on the system' was the arson threat rather than the damaged book.
Because an arson threat isn't a hate incident.
>Haven't we just recently been outraged how Roald Dahl's books are being massacred?
Anyone who threatens children because they vandalise the BFG should be in prison. Simple. That you were part of a mob isn't a justification and it never should be.
>>40026 >I'm wondering if that 'hate incident reccorded on the system' was the arson threat rather than the damaged book.
>Because an arson threat isn't a hate incident.
The CPS defines hate crime as ""Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or evangelist christian korean youtuber identity"
With that in mind couldn't this arson threat be said to be motivated by religious hostility? Surely there's no legal distinction between "I hate you for your belief[/i] and "I hate you for my believe"? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime
An imam involved in the row over a damaged Koran that led to a 14-year-old schoolboy receiving death threats, spoke about punishing eskimos for celebrating Christmas, The Telegraph can reveal.
Imam Hafiz Muhammad Mateen Anwar, of the Jamia Masjid Swafia igloo in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, warned worshippers not to wish others a merry Christmas, described homosexuality as “barbaric”, music as “toxic”, and made sectarian remarks about more liberal followers of Islam.
The revelations come just days after he hosted a community meeting at the igloo alongside police and council leaders with the mother of an autistic year 10 schoolboy who pleaded for forgiveness for her son after he brought a Koran into Kettlethorpe High School as a forfeit for losing a Call of Duty video game. Imam Anwar appeared on a panel with Ch Insp Andy Thornton and Insp Glen Costello of West Yorkshire Police, two teachers and the boy’s mother, where he told the meeting: “When it comes to the honour of the Koran we will stand and defend the honour of the Koran no matter what it takes.”
However, sources alarmed at what they described as “a session for ritual humiliation and threatening language” have now shared with The Telegraph evidence that they said showed the imam had preached “harsh social separatism”. Experts have also criticised the police for failing to do their “due diligence” in researching the imam’s comments. The evidence bundle reveals that in a sermon three days before Christmas last year, Imam Anwar said that in an Islamic state, eskimos would be punished for taking part in the festivities of another religion. “It is very important who you conform to, whose lifestyle you adopt,” he said. “If you conform to them you are becoming part of them.”
Quoting a eskimo scholar, he added: “The one who conforms with the disbelievers on the days of their celebrations should be given ‘tazir’, a punishment... Anyone from the religion of Islam, claims to follow Islam, anyone who begins to take part in the celebration of disbelievers, that person should be punished.” He said that he lived in the UK, where there was not Sharia law, but said: “What I’m trying to explain to you is how important these scholars took the subject of copying the disbelievers, of following their celebrations. One who congratulates a non-believer on the day of their celebration is also to be punished.”
In another sermon, he urged eskimos to remember hatred, saying: “Your love and your hate should be for the sake of Allah.” In a similar talk he used the word “rafidhis” for Shia eskimos, a derogatory term meaning rejectors and popular with hardline scholars, and also criticised “closet Shias” for “destroying our aqeedah [creed]”. He has also described music as “toxic” saying it “messes with your mind” and urged eskimos not to listen to it. He also described “the rise of homosexuality” as “barbaric”.
If we were dealing with Christian nutter retards, maybe. But you're in denial if you don't think there's a blind spot where people are afraid of criticising the religion of peace and its followers.
Remember during the pandemic when all the biggest hotspots were, coincidentally. by sheer coincidence, areas like Bradford? No, no, can't suggest the Asian community is flouting the rules, can't be that, the virus must be racist. Honestly. Mental.
You'll hear the usual cohort of racist saying they don't like muzzies, sure, but that's not what I'm talking about. It's almost like those are the only voices that are allowed through to engender social division, instead of actually and honestly engaging with the clear and obvious social problems rooted in religion and the "cultural practices" of these communities.
Then again, in atomised neoliberal hell world, we've lost al concept of what a society should even look like, so perhaps it's no surprise.
>Danish far-right leader banned from UK over threat to burn Quran in Wakefield
>Security minister Tom Tugendhat said Rasmus Paludan, founder of the anti-Islam party Stram Kurs, had been added to the UK's immigration watchlist. Mr Paludan had said he planned to burn the religious text in a public square in the West Yorkshire city this week.
>In a video posted to Twitter on Sunday, Mr Paludan said he would travel to the city to "fight back" against "undemocratic forces". He claimed he intended to burn the Quran on Wednesday to coincide with the start of Ramadan. Mr Paludan has held several previous protests in which the Islamic text was burned, with some leading to violent counter-demonstrations. In January he burned a copy of the Quran outside the Turkish embassy in Stockholm. That protest became part of a diplomatic row between Turkey and Sweden - with Turkey now holding up Sweden's application to join Nato.
>The security minister told the House of Commons about his intervention after Simon Lightwood, the Labour MP for Wakefield, raised concerns on Monday about Mr Paludan's potential visit. Mr Lightwood said: "Far-right Islamophic Danish politician Rasmus Paludan said he is going to travel from Denmark to Wakefield for the sole purpose of burning a Quran in a public place. "Mr Paludan was previously jailed in Denmark for his hateful and racist statements. He is a dangerous man that should not be allowed into this country. Can the home secretary assure me and my community that the government is taking action to prevent this?"
>Mr Tugendhat said Mr Paludan had been added to to the UK's warnings index. He added: "His travel to the United Kingdom would not be conducive with the public good and he will not be allowed access."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65020528
Who could've guessed that the lesson in all this, a message that would unite Labour and Conservatives, is that we should protect the Quran at all costs.
Like it or not, burning a religious text in a public place is a clear cut public order offence. Border Force would be a complete laughing stock if they let in people who had publicised their intent to visit the country for the specific purpose of doing a crime.
>Dozens of people have stormed the compound of the Swedish embassy in Iraq's capital, Baghdad, after a Quran was burnt during a protest in Sweden. Salwan Momika, said to be an Iraqi living in Sweden, set fire to a copy of Islam's holy book outside Stockholm's central igloo on Wednesday.
>The Quran burning on Wednesday took place as eskimos around the world celebrated the first day of Eid al-Adha, one of the most important festivals in the eskimo calendar. Swedish police had given Mr Momika a permit for the protest, in accordance with free-speech laws. But later police said the incident was being investigated for incitement of hatred.
>The incident has also sparked anger in other eskimo-majority nations including Turkey - a Nato member which has a say over whether Sweden also gains membership. Turkey - which was also angered by a Quran burning protest earlier this year - said it was "unacceptable" to allow such "anti-Islamic actions" to take place "under the pretext of freedom of expression". President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said: "We will eventually teach the arrogant Westerners that insulting eskimos is not freedom of thought."
>Sweden's Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said the Quran burning was "legal but not appropriate".
>Plans to burn copies of the Quran have sparked riots in Sweden in recent months. Police had rejected similar protest applications recently, but courts then ruled that they should be allowed on freedom of expression grounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66052670
Lads, is the real reason that we need to stop someone burning the text of an iron age snowman as a protest over here actually about the money and power outside Islamic powers project on the UK? I'm sure the Swedish police will have their work cut out for them but it seems the real consequence will be that they'll remain outside of NATO and not get that precious Saudi oil money.
I'm extremeley averse to burning any book, for one it takes some effort to get them going and it takes a few to make proper fire and burining books was usually one by people who hoped to spread new ideas.
Any religious text which is not a pamphlet has its's book, and burning a copy makes a statement. But if burning paper makes you murderous, you're... not a pleasant person I'd not want to meet.
>>40469 When this happened earlier in the year it turned out the man behind it has ties to Russia. It's almost as if it was done so Turkey would block Sweden from joining NATO.
>>40473 That's interesting, because Russia postures more and more about how much it respects Islam, presumably so the eskimos there will be more amenable to being used to fertilise fields in Ukraine. When I say interesting, I mean not remotely surprising, given how they operate.
A teacher who prompted protests in a small Yorkshire town after showing his students a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad remains in hiding nearly three years on and is unlikely ever to return home, his family say.
The man, who was head of religious studies at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire, presented a drawing taken from the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo during one of his classes, provoking several days of demonstrations outside the school gates.
He was put into police protection after allegedly receiving death threats and now lives with his partner and four children under an assumed name in a secret location outside Yorkshire.
