Russian influencer Zhanna Samsonova, known online as Zhanna D'Art, has died in Malaysia after 10 years on a vegan diet.
A vegan chef who heavily promoted her love of raw foods on social media has reportedly “died of starvation” at the age of 39.
The Russian native Zhanna Samsonova — known online as Zhanna D'Art — has been following a vegan diet for more than 10 years, but for the last four has only consumed fruits, sunflower seeds, bean sprouts and juices, according to local newspaper Vechernyaya Kazan.
It's quite galling to see what was clearly a profound eating disorder called "veganism" because that's a more shocking headline. The most recent photographs quite clearly show her as being unheathily underweight, which is not a result of eating only plants. But hey, the way things are maybe we need a laugh or two? Who wants to see "Anorexia Nervosa Sufferer Enabled by Social Media Dies, Aged 39" in the papers? Not me, so I say bring on the yucks, enable my basest insincts, usher humanity into an age of black hearted schadenfraude!
I'm a non-vegan and non-vegetarian because meat and dairy just tastes too good to me, but I'll acknowledge that a vegan diet where you're not lacking the essential nutrients that your body needs is at least theoretically feasible. But that's not what this apparently was. It was anorexia masked as vegan extremism.
What is it with the children of communism and sunflower seeds? Chinese munch on them too. I was a little embarrassed once in the cinema when a Chinese girl pulled out a big plastic bag of them and started munching away.
>>40669 Next you'll be complaining about the big girls thread.
Imagine what your poos look like if all you eat is sunflower seeds. I pigged out on a bag of almonds from Lidl the other day and it had all those sharp white bits in it the next day that were a literal pain to crap out.
For women, there's also the phenomenon that their periods can cease under malnutrition. One of my exes had had her battles with anorexia before we met and she told me that at her worst, her periods stopped for almost six months. So you're not just depriving your body of what it needs, but you also effectively become infertile.
You were probably anticipating someone saying something like this, but I do feel like there's at least something of an argument that veganism is an eating disorder. At least, that is to say, I expect there are a lot of people who are attracted to veganism because they have disordered, pathological eating habits, not because they are making a sound and rational decision not to at meat.
What I'm saying is that I know vegan diets can be done healthily, but I bet the Venn diagram has a fuck of a lot of cross-over, know what I mean? For instance, my ex was vegetarian (not vegan, but it gets my point across) not because of any ethical objection to meat, nor any belief in dietary benefit, but purely because of an obsessive phobia of food poisoning.
Obviously this article is just using it to smear shit and bait clicks, but still. I don't think it's unhealthy to be skeptical of veganism, it is quite an extreme dietary choice.
There are many kinds of disordered eating. Extreme dietary restriction is obviously the most dramatic - raw vegan, all-meat paleo diets etc - but we've also got skyrocketing rates of obesity-related illnesses. It seems rather ironic that everyone knows what a balanced diet should look like, but so many people are eating themselves into an early grave for one reason or another.
>>40674 People respond in different ways to not being in control of their own lives. Some people obsess over minor areas such as food consumption to make themselves feel in control, others throw their hands up and abandon all notion of control which manifests itself as overeating and obesity. Anorexia and obesity are two symptoms of the same pathogen, and that pathogen is modern society.
>>40679 Who has blue hair? Costa? I don't mind a man being a woman and cats lying with dogs, but please just call him a he if he's now a he. I'm not being a pissant for the sake of it, I genuinely had to read what you wrote twice. Anyway is it that cartoon style picture your posted or is that a troll parody of a real person? Are people angry over a cartoon? I can't keep up anymore.
>>40680 >is it that cartoon style picture your posted or is that a troll parody of a real person? Are people angry over a cartoon? I can't keep up anymore.
Personally my annoyance is somewhere in how identitity politics is becoming identity marketing. The human experience as we know it is being turned into a mere commodity.
These companies don't care about you or your personal journey - they care about your money. To get your money they've reduced a person to mere masectomy scars and coffee.
What does that say? "Suffering a traumatic experience? With our coffee you can dance the pain away, just like this Corporate Memphis figure!"
This 'inclusion' doesn't alleviate the pain in your soul. It only convinces you to channel that pain into the corporate machine, for a mere short term affirmation.
>>40682 Nobody ever said we were a clever species. On the other hand and in absolute fairness some of the best minds in human history, or more accurately some of the best minds in the for sale bracket in human history have spent the last century perfecting marketing and advertising techniques, so it's little wonder they're so effective.
>>40680 >I don't mind a man being a woman and cats lying with dogs, but please just call him a he if he's now a he.
I use they all the time, but people have only ever picked up on it (admittedly solely online) since they/them pronouns took off. You might want to get your brain tested for worms because it sounds like they've wriggled their way in there whether you're aware of it or not.
>>40682 >Personally my annoyance is somewhere in how identitity politics is becoming identity marketing. The human experience as we know it is being turned into a mere commodity.
That's what the vast majority of people complaining about 'going woke' is all about. People generally don't mind actual progress, but the way the media and corporations ram it down out throats has completely muddied the waters. Did casting black hobbits solve racism?
Shocker. Companies and corporations do things for profit.
As disingenuous as image marketing often is, at least there can be no doubt in anybody's mind that it serves the purpose of increasing monetary profit. Ten to twenty years ago, it was all about the environment (and often still is), and now the big trend is marketing your product to the LGBTQA+ lot. All just to get people to buy. And in that respect, it's almost more honest than all the identity politics that really only goes on out of self interest or a feeling of entitlement and/or moral superiority, or just to channel someone's baseline anger at the world.
>Personally my annoyance is somewhere in how identitity politics is becoming identity marketing. The human experience as we know it is being turned into a mere commodity.
That's kind of what it has always been really. The crux of the matter right at the very core that makes it so repulsive to some and so attractive to others, whether they really know how to articulate it or not.
The key difference with modern, cynical identity politics, and what you might call the "real" identity politics of yesteryear about letting black people ride the same bus or letting women have their own bank accounts, is that nowadays it's all about self identification. Otherlad is kind enough to assume good faith in all the progress made up until the corpos took over and started exploiting it- But it was always designed to be exploitable, the ad men are the ones who started pushing us in that direction in the first place with this express purpose.
The reason Daily Maail people love to make fun of kids at schools identifying as cats and whatnot is because they see it as a laughable demonstration of the absurdity modern progressive ideology. Meanwhile, genuine blue haired vegan trender benders on the other side hate it because they think it is a demonstration of the absurdity of their ideology. But it's not. It's the reason the attack helicopter meme causes such ruffled feathers. It's the reason Rachel Dolezal went from hero to pariah. It's perfectly logically consistent with everything they believe in. If you can self-identify as a woman just because you feel like it, then why not as black, or as a cat?
Nowadays, you can be who and what you want, and you don't require other people to look at you and say "yeah, okay, that's what you are." You only have to declare yourself as (thing) and that's that. Identity is no longer a functional, tangible description of who you are and what you do, it is more like a teenage subculture. It's a group you join and a tribe you consciously subscribe to.
>>40686 Actually, and I'm not making this up, I used to use they/them all the time too, long before it kicked off. I always wondered why people looked at me like I was a nutter, I assumed it was because I looked and smelled a bit funny. It's only now I've seen and heard other people doing it I realise how utterly insane I must have sounded. I tended to use they/them in the classical sense, where the gender of the subject was unknown or nebulous, such as when the subject was unidentified or belonged to or was in fact a crowd which could have contained men or women, but still, normal people used he or properish nouns like "the crowd."
As for your accusation about my support for your bid for Beeston mayoral office, fuck off mate. You're not special, you're just a wanker who thinks he's different. That could describe any one of us of course, but in this case, on this day, it's they being the wanker.
>>40689 >As for your accusation about my support for your bid for Beeston mayoral office, fuck off mate. You're not special, you're just a wanker who thinks he's different. That could describe any one of us of course, but in this case, on this day, it's they being the wanker.
>The key difference with modern, cynical identity politics, and what you might call the "real" identity politics of yesteryear about letting black people ride the same bus or letting women have their own bank accounts, is that nowadays it's all about self identification.
More or less this. And to put a finer point on it, the move towards racial equality was just that. The idea that deep down we're all equal regardless of ethnicity or skin colour and deserve the same rights and the same kind of human dignity. And on a wider level, it was indeed about oneness, as cheesy as that sounds.
Now, with identity politics, it's mostly no longer about "all of us", but it's "us" against "them". My tribe against yours. My chosen gender or ethnicity or other minority denomination against yours, and all of us against the old white man. It's the opposite of equality. It's divisiveness. And I think that's part of why identity politcs is such a bad word and concept for many people. Because not only am I going to offend you if I don't get all the rules and courtesies right that you expect to be extended as part of your belonging to your tribe, but I'm given to understand that your tribe is superior to mine, and especially so if I'm an average middle of the road person who has never really thought much in those categories at all.
>>40691 As far as I can tell about actual identity politics these days is that if someone wants you to call them a lass then it's rude not to. I don't know why you lot are making a big deal of it, this is fairly basic humanist ideals. If some big business does the 'it's all about awareness' routine then you laugh at them as usual.
Honestly you lot start to sound like Pier's Morgan at times.
Because somebody accused OP of posting ragebait, and then used that as an excuse to steer the conversation towards other forms of ragebait, namely identity politics.
>>40696 Tell me more about how a story concerning a woman with an eating disorder who only ate durian and jackfruit for about seven years until she starved to death which has been spun as 'herpy derpy vegans' isn't ragebait.
I think we're all moving far, far away from the most important question in this thread. I don't know if it's because we're all too cowardly to address it or because we're all too thick to see it, but I have no such flaws. I will answer. And my answer is would.
