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>> No. 13533 Anonymous
21st July 2020
Tuesday 10:42 pm
13533 Tea for sleeping
I know there are a lot of new age/hippy sites with woo science around the drinking of tea from certain plants/combination of plants, but have any of you ever experienced a better night's sleep from having camomile, passion flower, or otherwise marked/branded tea that's supposed to help with sleep?

I've had periods where camomile sends me off in no time, other times where something with valerian root in it gives me an ease to sleeplessness, others where nothing works at all. There must be some sort of science behind it, something behind them being folk remedies taken on by people who type everything up in Papyrus. Don't get me wrong, I'll drink owt hot and proven potable and palatable, are there any particular hot brews that any of you lot swear by for a good night's kip?
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>> No. 13534 Anonymous
21st July 2020
Tuesday 10:55 pm
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>>13533

Warm things that aren't caffeinated relax me, I would assume that is more or less the science of it.
>> No. 13535 Anonymous
21st July 2020
Tuesday 11:08 pm
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>>13534
When I was a younglad I used to have a cup of regular blended tea in teabag with milk and a sugar, and that worked until I was 21 or so, it hasn't worked since, no matter how relaxing it might be, it's up while 3 or 4 hoping I get to bed before the sky turns.

Do you reckon because people read the side of a packet that claims Ancient Aliens gave camomile to the Ancient Egyptians to soothe their chakras or something, that that has an effect? Reading the list of side effects of any prescription drugs makes a few people itchy for no reason and psycho-somatically feel a kidney twinge, is that just a sort of placebo too?
>> No. 13536 Anonymous
21st July 2020
Tuesday 11:22 pm
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>>13535
I think Camomile and St Johns Wort both have fairly well known calming properties, without getting into chakra or ancient bullshit.

Tea has caffeine in it - much as I love it, I don't drink it after about 10pm. Lot's of people like a milky drink to calm down at that time of night, personally a prefer a tiny little Remy Martin.
>> No. 13537 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 12:29 am
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Valerian is a sedative but, like all health supplements, dosage isn't regulated and maybe that's for the best as sleeping pills aren't conductive to a good sleep. At the very least, if you need something like that then it sounds like a lifestyle problem that a magic cuppa won't fix.

I just have a cup of redbush a couple hours before bed and another in the morning what with it lacking caffeine.
>> No. 13538 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 12:49 am
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>>13536

>St Johns Wort

Be extremely careful with St John's Wort - it's a surprisingly potent antidepressant that interacts with a massive number of drugs. If you're taking anything else (prescribed or otherwise), ask your doctor or check the British National Formulary.

>>13533

The safest effective sleep aid is melatonin. It's a naturally-occurring hormone that plays a role in regulating your sleep-wake cycle. It's regulated as a medicine in the EU, but it's sold as a nutritional supplement in the US and you can perfectly legally import it.

Passiflora informata tea is probably safe and might work. Kava and Kratom do work and are reasonably safe in sensible doses, but they're now illegal under the Psychoactive Substances Act.

If you really need to sleep and don't mind possible drowsiness in the morning, take a non-selective antihistamine such as chlorpheniramine. If you really really need to sleep and don't mind getting a bit fat, ask your doctor for a mirtazapine prescription.
>> No. 13539 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 6:24 am
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>>13538
>It's regulated as a medicine in the EU, but it's sold as a nutritional supplement in the US and you can perfectly legally import it.

Any ideas on what this might be? I've safely used melatonin in the past, but understand that it might need regulation. Seems like a big disparity, though.
>> No. 13540 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 10:50 am
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>>13538
>ask your doctor for a mirtazapine prescription.

Just come off that as I was developing paranoia, which I had hitherto never experienced nor wish to ever again. The best thing about being on it though was being unconscious or extremely tired about half an hour after taking one, ideal for sleeping, and indeed the endless appetite which I used to monster through biscuits with.

>>13538

Incidentally, I have tried making tea with passion flower and it seemed to work, even though the flavour's certainly not something to write home about. I got a loose bag from a Polski sklep for a couple of quid when online retailers were actively taking the piss charging £5 for 20 bags while telling me about its supposed benefits in Papyrus.
>> No. 13541 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 12:00 pm
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>>13539

It's just a regulatory quirk. The FDA have a fairly loose definition of "food supplement", so a lot of stuff that would be a medicine in the EU is available over the counter in the US.
>> No. 13542 Anonymous
22nd July 2020
Wednesday 1:31 pm
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To be honest, anything active in chamomile, passion flower etc is not effective enough to be worth talking about (St Johns Wort is an exception, as mentioned). Generally if you're struggling with insomnia, the answer isn't to add another thing that causes sleep, it's to address what's causing the trouble sleeping.

With that said, kratom is still available online in the UK, from UK-based sellers. The Police apparently can't be fucked to arrest them, but I wouldn't count on that state of affairs continuing forever. I did not find it helped with sleep, quite the opposite.

Avoid anything with caffeine in the evenings, the advice is six+ hours before sleep.

Similarly, avoid sources of sugar (despite their marketing, Ovaltine and Horlicks are objectively a bad idea before bed) or anything else high in calories. Chocolate is doubly bad as it contains a reasonable amount of caffeine too. Eat early in the evening, don't have big meals before bed.

If you absolutely, 100%, life-or-death must sleep (for instance, at the end of three days awake, when your sleeplessness-induced paranoia and self-loathing is at "cruel and unusual human rights violation" levels), try Doxylamine Succinate. It's legal, though god knows I only need half of a 25mg pill to knock me right the fuck out. I probably don't need to warn not to use it every night, because you'll wake up feeling like you're emerging from the bleary mists of a coma.
>> No. 13543 Anonymous
23rd July 2020
Thursday 9:42 am
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>>13542
I find myself nodding off pretty easily if I eat loads of pasta or chips before going to bed. Weight gain isn't particularly a problem for me as I've always been a skinny whelp and I'm jumping about most of the day anyway.
>> No. 13546 Anonymous
23rd July 2020
Thursday 5:41 pm
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>>13543
Food is energy, so eating directly before bed is a bad idea.

If you sleep well regardless, then no worries. If you don't, though, moving meal times to early evening is probably a good idea.

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