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>> No. 84895 Anonymous
9th February 2019
Saturday 8:13 am
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Jimmy Saville: My new Brexit party stands ready to defend democracy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/08/new-brexit-party-stands-ready-defend-democracy/

'Thousands of Tory party members' to defect to Jimmy Saville's Brexit Party as it gets official approval

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/08/thousands-tory-party-members-defect-Jimmy-Savilles-brexit-party/

Rebel Labour MPs set to quit party and form centre group

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/rebel-labour-mps-set-to-quit-party-and-form-centre-group
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>> No. 85193 Anonymous
7th March 2019
Thursday 9:12 pm
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>>85188
Appropriate post number, m7.
>> No. 85194 Anonymous
7th March 2019
Thursday 10:34 pm
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>>85192
"Well blow me down lads, did you know racist tropes are different depending on the race? And that people subjected to dolphin rape are capable of perpetuating dolphin rape themselves? This changes everything!"
>> No. 85195 Anonymous
7th March 2019
Thursday 10:45 pm
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>>85183
I mean if you read the article it isn't particularly surprising. It'll be the same standard complaints signal-boosted by people who've heard of the complaints. I'm not saying anti-semitism doesn't exist or isn't a major problem in the Labour party, but this headline doesn't actually mean very much about it either way.
Article with the words you should be reading like a lawyer to moderate your expectations:
The labour party may have unlawfully discriminated... The [EHRC] said it was considering launching a formal investigation. The action comes in response to complaints from a number of organisations and individuals... (as opposed to coming from the EHRC following up on it's own suspicions or preparing to take action against the blindingly obvious.)

Now for the jokes: Wouldn't it be funny if there was an actual conspiracy between the EHRC and Momentum, whereby the EHRC will launch the fullest most serious investigation possible and then go "Actually there aren't any Antisemites in the Labour party. None. The worst we've found is a guy who gave El-Al a 3* review on Google."
>> No. 85196 Anonymous
9th March 2019
Saturday 12:07 pm
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>>85195
The fact that the EHRC are even having a look is bad enough.
>> No. 85220 Anonymous
14th March 2019
Thursday 10:25 pm
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Err, now what?
>> No. 85221 Anonymous
14th March 2019
Thursday 10:27 pm
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>>85220

My money's on squeezing out a second referendum.
>> No. 85222 Anonymous
14th March 2019
Thursday 11:34 pm
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>>85220
You know exactly what. May's going to push her deal through Parliament every week until they vote for it. We'll still be here in a year's time, at the end of our extension, having Meaningful Vote no. 54.
>> No. 85231 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 9:11 am
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>>85222
I only learnt yesterday that she is indeed intending to have a third vote on her historic failure of a deal next week, which is a move so insane I can think of at least twenty personality defects it might be chalked up to.
>> No. 85232 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 9:30 am
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>>85231
As to the Conservative Party, I am beginning to change my view of the big problem. I’ve always said it was the referendum result; and joked that although Theresa May obviously isn’t any good, the Archangel Gabriel could not have salvaged much improvement on the awful deal she’s hawking to her scared and exhausted Tory troops.

But as the months have ground on I’ve been at first shocked but finally persuaded that not Brexit alone, but also she personally, is the problem.

Time and again I’ve protested that she may not be the answer but she didn’t create this mess: she’s just an unimaginative, unremarkable, perhaps wooden but dogged politician, overly cautious and rather shy. Time and again my informants — MPs, former MPs, civil servants, special advisers — tell me, eyes flashing, that I’ve got it wrong and the public have it wrong, and she’s so much worse than that. She’s not normal. She’s extraordinary. Extraordinarily uncommunicative; extraordinarily rude in the way she blanks people, ideas and arguments. To my surprise there is no difference between the pictures of her that Remainers and Brexiteers paint.

Theresa May, they tell me (in a couple of cases actually shouting) is the Death Star of modern British politics. She’s the theory of anti-matter, made flesh. She’s a political black hole because nothing, not even light, can escape. Ideas, beliefs, suggestions, objections, inquiries, proposals, projects, loyalties, affections, trust, whole careers, real men and women, are sucked into the awful void that is Downing Street — and nothing ever comes out: no answers, only a blank so blank that it screams. Reputations (they lament) are staked on her, and lost. Warnings are delivered to her, and ignored. Plans are run by her, unacknowledged. Messages are sent to her, unanswered. She has become the unperson of Downing Street: the living embodiment of the closed door.

And I am, finally, persuaded. Persuaded that Theresa May has not simply failed to unite two wings of my party, but that her premiership has driven them apart, into anger and despair; helped to turn a disagreement into a schism. Before healing becomes possible (one told me) she, and all who wait upon her and have surrounded her, must be hounded out of the party’s cockpit, and every trace of the era of her leadership expunged. Another, careless of the proprieties, told me the political massacre should be on a Rwandan scale. For the first time I understood the passion, if not the logic, behind the self-defeating challenge to her leadership the Brexiteers mounted last December.

I do not exaggerate the violence of the imagery into which her Tory critics fly at the very mention of her name. And perhaps because I’ve been so reluctant to believe this picture, you will now believe my report.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theresa-may-has-turned-conservative-discord-into-aschism-0btbdk80q
>> No. 85233 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 10:27 am
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>>85232
Remember back when ministers were calling her mummy and mayism was a thing?
>> No. 85234 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 12:05 pm
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>>85232

May has been tasked with the impossible. The ERG and the Labour Party set red lines that were incompatible with any deal the EU was prepared to negotiate. They are now demanding a new deal, after the EU have said that May's deal is final and non-negotiable.

May is simply the scapegoat for cakeism. Her deal is genuinely the best deal that could have been negotiated, because the EU would be total idiots to offer us a deal that's better than our current terms of membership. A majority of parliamentarians are unwilling to support that deal, either because they oppose Brexit on principle, because they expect a magic Brexit that has no downsides, or because they are deluded enough to believe in a "clean Brexit".

May's only substantive failure was to entertain those lunatics for far too long. She wasn't sufficiently frank about the realities of the Brexit negotiations until far too late. She tried and failed to deliver the impossible, rather than simply refusing to entertain it. She kept kicking the can down the road in the hope that eventually sanity would win out, but you can expect no such thing from the likes of Rees-Mogg, Bone and Chope.
>> No. 85236 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 12:07 pm
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>>85233
History will judge her better than her predecessors and successors. This whole fandango has made me (and lots of others I suspect) feel sorry for her, and respect the effort she has put in.
>> No. 85242 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 4:28 pm
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>>85232
I'm glad this absurd idea of her as the dogged and principled PM is finally, finally, beginning to fade. She's utterly boneheaded and is motivated foremost by ego, seemingly. The only positive from this mess is that the ensuing Conservative leadership scrap will make the red wedding look like a round of Splatoon.

>>85236
Lol.
>> No. 85244 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 6:03 pm
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>>85234
>May has been tasked with the impossible. The ERG and the Labour Party set red lines that were incompatible with any deal the EU was prepared to negotiate.

Theresa set those ridiculous red lines by herself. She wanted to definitely leave on the 29th. She wanted to leave the customs union. She wanted to end freedom of movement. Brexiters often said during the referendum that the Norway model was preferable. In short May is a fucking idiot. Why is May brown-nosing the ERG when there's a majority for staying in the custom's union and likely the single market?

What red lines have the Labour party set out? A custom's union? Workers' Rights?
>> No. 85245 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 6:23 pm
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>>85236
I have my doubts. First because a lot of unsavoury and farcical elements of the modern history are going to be stored forever by the internet. Secondly, because history was not kind to James Callaghan and he was a far more sympathetic character with circumstances even further outside his control.
She may get kinder judgements than Cameron and her likely-Tory immediate successor, but Gordon Brown seems like another figure who will receive more sympathy. Even amongst non-Labour people I regularly hear "Oh he would've been a good PM, shame the financial crisis ruined it for him." Brown himself seems to almost self-consciously try to manage his historical reputation in light of modern developments, positioning himself in a way rather at odds with his actual behaviour in government - but it will probably fly. I would go so far as to say people want to like Gordon.

I occasionally feel sorry for her (it must be said I imagine any personal premiership would go down much like hers, collapsable sign and all), but I have no respect for her efforts. I would rather prefer she simply go away like David Cameron has done.
>> No. 85246 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 6:36 pm
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>>85245
>I would rather prefer she simply go away like David Cameron has done.

Pretty sure this is the general sentiment at the moment, at least it's been all I've encountered and I have to agree. People are pissed, understandably. She doesn't give a damn about us anyway.
>> No. 85247 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 6:49 pm
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>>85246
Exactly. She gave it a go, and it didn't work out. Now she's just outstaying her welcome. Pic very much related.
>> No. 85248 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 7:09 pm
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>The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), which has 10 lawmakers in parliament, is close to changing its position for the first time after receiving a promise that the government would put into law a requirement that there be no divergence between Northern Ireland and Britain, the Spectator magazine said. A cabinet minister involved in the talks with the DUP told the Spectator the chances of the party backing the government’s deal were around 60 percent.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu/may-could-win-backing-of-northern-irish-kingmakers-in-third-brexit-vote-report-idUKKCN1QX0JG

Third times a charm I guess.

>>85236
>This whole fandango has made me (and lots of others I suspect) feel sorry for her, and respect the effort she has put in.

This is the opinion I've been encountering everywhere. Unless you're talking to a ideologue they will generally follow the thought that she's had an awful job and Cameron dropped her in it.

Corbyn will have it far worse because not only is his track record abysmal but the party itself will want him swept under the rug because of anti-semitism.
>> No. 85250 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 7:14 pm
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>>85245
>shame the financial crisis ruined it for him

Shame he helped make it worse by bailing out banks that should have been left to go bust, more like.
>> No. 85251 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 7:31 pm
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>>85248
>Unless you're talking to a ideologue they will generally follow the thought that she's had an awful job and Cameron dropped her in it.

She wasn't forced to become PM.
>> No. 85252 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 7:48 pm
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>>85250
Dropped your SWP card, lad.
>> No. 85253 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 8:05 pm
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>>85252
"Let the banks go bust" would seem more Libertarian party than SWP. SWP would be "Shame he didn't nationalise all the banks properly", surely?
>> No. 85254 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 8:23 pm
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>>85252>>85253
Exactly right. I work in an investment bank; much nearer Libertarian party than SWP in a million years.

The right thing to do during the banking crisis would be to let the fuckers who fucked up go bust - not bail them out and try to be a hero/saviour, as Brown tried to do. Or, as you say, go the other way and nationalise everyone.
>> No. 85255 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 8:44 pm
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Nobody else seeing the Tesco Value Brexit bus in the news?
>> No. 85256 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 8:54 pm
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>>85255

Would.
>> No. 85257 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 9:05 pm
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>>85254
>let the fuckers who fucked up go bust
You seem to have a surprisingly poor grasp on how banks actually work for someone that works in one. The consequences of a retail bank failure are severe, and go well beyond shareholders losing their shirt.
>> No. 85258 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 12:20 am
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>>85251
And I once had a dog.

>>85255
>As Mr Saville arrived, counter protesters let off a flare in the EU colours, with shouts of "exit Brexit".
>There have been reports of scuffles and angry rows between some marchers and counter-protesters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-47595598

I'm still not convinced counter-protests should be a thing. It is by definition turning up at someone's else's party just to cause trouble when you could just as easily make your point somewhere else. Even in a best case scenario it will just be two sides shouting at one-another like idiots.

>>85256
It's shallow but I suddenly don't give a damn about access to the common market if there's cute girls involved. One day someone will properly learn to weaponize this and politics will be finished.

>>85257
Not him but I think the moral hazard could be far more severe down the line. If your entire business model is built on bollocks then you go bust, that is a rule capitalism needs to function. The way things have turned out we've ended up with massive public debt but what exactly has it achieved? The state's done nothing to punish the wrongdoing while the markets were neutered through the action of shovelling money.
>> No. 85265 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 7:22 pm
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>>85258
>Im still not convinced counter-protests should be a thing

Then how would angry Mohammedan yoots and simpering pansexual art students anti-fascists make the EDL aware their presence isn't wanted?
>> No. 85266 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 7:23 pm
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>>85258
Does any kind of protesting work? Let alone counter ones.
>> No. 85267 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 7:54 pm
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>>85266
Given your post comes days after the Algerian president, Abdelaziz Bouteflika, said he wouldn't run again, following mass protests against him running for a fifth term, I'd say yes, yes it does. Even if it doesn't result in direct and immediate change it can still focus people's attention on a cause and establish popular sentiment. For instance the student protests against tuition fees made it clear how young people felt about those changes, which is something that's important to display in terms of future policy making. The same goes for the anti-fracking protests in Lancashire. Indeed, something like that might hardly have made the news if not for the protests against it.
>> No. 85268 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 8:15 pm
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>>85265
Well, they could have a lovely day at the seaside instead. Who could possibly smash up a bus-stop when you have a 99 in your hand? What better way to get noticed by the news than having your counter-protest involve building lovely sandcastles?

>>85266
It gets people out the house and that's the important thing.
>> No. 85269 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 8:38 pm
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>>85268
>Who could possibly smash up a bus-stop when you have a 99 in your hand?

Just use your feet. Are you daft?
>> No. 85276 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 5:07 pm
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>The leader of the new pro-Brexit party backed by Jimmy Saville has abruptly resigned, after the Guardian asked her about a series of deleted anti-Islam Twitter messages sent from her account before she took on the role.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/20/leader-of-pro-brexit-party-catherine-blaiklock-resigns-over-anti-islam-messages
>> No. 85277 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 7:13 pm
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>>85276
Yeah, I read that earlier.

>“I want my country back. I want seaside donkeys on the beach and little village churches, not acid attacks, mobs and mosques.”

Indeed.
>> No. 85278 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 8:28 pm
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>>85276
Quelle surprise.
>> No. 85288 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 10:13 pm
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>>85277
>I want seaside donkeys on the beach

Weren't those done away with years ago for animal welfare concerns?
>> No. 85292 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 10:34 pm
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>>85288
No, I think they just banned fat kids from riding them.
>> No. 85293 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 10:36 pm
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I too would like my country back from these fucking Brexit cunts that are intent on stealing it away from us in the name of "taking back control".
>> No. 85294 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 10:36 pm
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>>85288
No they're still around. https://www.westondonkeys.co.uk/
>> No. 85295 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 11:09 pm
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>>85293
Whose 'us'?

>>85294
>Discounts available for Schools or Children's Parties.

Imagine how much of a cunt you'd have to be in this life to come back as a donkey.

I remember when I was 6 I got a donkey ride and took a shine to him, petted him as he went around the circuit and that - he stopped though and everyone yelled at me to kick my friend to get him going again. I did it in the end but I could tell I wasn't his mate any more and that he'd rather not be walking around in circles all day.
>> No. 85296 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 11:51 pm
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>>85295
>Whose 'us'?
The 65 million or so of us not named Arron.
>> No. 85297 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 11:53 pm
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>>85296
You mean the 16 million people who voted remain as opposed to the 17 million who voted leave?
>> No. 85298 Anonymous
21st March 2019
Thursday 12:38 am
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>>85297
If I'd meant that, I'd have said that.
>> No. 85371 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 1:53 am
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>>85297

I love it when people cite all those who didn't vote at all in the number of people who didn't vote Leave.

No, sorry, they don't count. If you have a free vote and you don't use it, that's your right but you then by default don't count.
>> No. 85373 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 2:32 am
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Imagine living in 2019 and still thinking the 2016 referendum was a legitimate expression of democratic will.
>> No. 85380 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 9:37 am
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>>85373
Still baffles me that even now all this isn't talked about or gotten in to, despite that it's all been in the news and the available information is out there. Weird that.
>> No. 85381 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 10:22 am
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>>85380
Most people who aren't melodramatic fishwives don't give too much of a shit about super secret clandestine funding paying for... a bunch of adverts on Facebook.
>> No. 85382 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 10:36 am
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>>85381
Good job that advertising, propaganda and news articles that are outright lies presented as fact never had an impact on anyone. It's why the advertising business never made any money.
>> No. 85383 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 11:01 am
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>>85381
>melodramatic fishwives
If you think someone's a cunt, call them a cunt, don't chat shit, you cunt.
>> No. 85385 Anonymous
24th March 2019
Sunday 11:42 am
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>>85382
I don't think I've ever seen criticism of the content of the material on Facebook, just the funding. It's no worse than Cameron using taxpayer's money to give everyone a Remain propaganda brochure or when the Guardian used to run campaigns during the US elections to get British people to phone Americans and tell them why voting for Bush was wrong, but they tend to get a free pass from those who agree with the end goal.

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