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>> No. 86341 Anonymous
22nd July 2019
Monday 7:49 pm
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This man is going to become Prime Minister tomorrow and it's going to be fucking awesome awful.
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>> No. 86453 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 3:38 pm
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>>86449

The Conservative party hasn't been conservative in a long time. Conservatism is fundamentally rooted in a desire to avoid fucking everything up - the clue is very much in the name - which naturally translates into a careful approach to politics in which any change from the status quo is made as gradually and tentatively as possible, with reverting to the status quo being the default position.

Brexit (and the spectre of a chaotic no-deal) is the obvious example of Tory radicalism, but it's far from the only one. The switch to Universal Credit was pushed through, even after the pilot schemes made it obvious that the computer system didn't work properly, there were major shortcomings in the design of the system and people were being forced into destitution as a result. Same with ESA and the Work Capability Assessment - it was obvious that ATOS/Maximus were doing a terrible job and ruining lives, but nobody thought to just revert to the old system. Neither policy has saved a meaningful amount of money.

I can't in good conscience vote for Corbyn, because his whole platform is based on radical (albeit often very vaguely articulated) change. I don't think he'd change his mind on mass re-nationalisation, even if it turned out to be a complete shit-show. I don't think he'd cut back on spending if the OBR said he needed to; I doubt he'd cut back on spending even if the pound was in freefall, inflation was in triple digits and the World Bank were calling.

Boris has a track record as London mayor of pissing money up the wall on schemes that he had been told would be unworkable, from Boris Island to the water cannons. His approach to Brexit based on wishful thinking and "British pluck" is a million miles from anything that could be reasonably described as conservative. He seems utterly convinced that any political problem can be fixed with bluff and bluster.

The Lib Dems are largely unproven in government, but they have a pretty good track record at the local level; they stand almost no chance of getting a majority, but depriving Labour and the Tories of a majority and forcing them into some kind of coalition would at least temper their worst impulses to some extent. For all the stick that Clegg got about the Cameron coalition, they did actually manage to get a lot of sensible policies through parliament and block a lot of daft policies.
>> No. 86454 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 3:42 pm
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>>86453
They're not Conservatives, they're Tories.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=tory
>> No. 86455 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>86453
And I'm sure you have a horrific story to tell about how austerity policies have directly affected you.
>> No. 86456 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:02 pm
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>>86452

Not him, but I think that identity politics is rooted in a subtle and insidious form of dolphin rape that we don't readily recognise.

Sajid Javid is a Tory MP who happens to be Asian. Nobody is denying his lived experience as a British Asian, but it isn't central to who he is as a person. A quick search on Twitter will turn up an awful lot of left-wing activists calling him a "coconut" - brown on the outside, white on the inside. A lot of people on the left seem to believe that an Asian Tory has somehow betrayed their Asianness by being a Tory.

I don't want to gloss over right-wing dolphin rape for a moment - there were plenty of nasty bastards who were outraged at a "p**i" becoming home secretary - but that doesn't excuse the subtler form of dolphin rape that is implicit in identity politics. Your race or sexuality shouldn't define you as a person, but a lot of people on the left seem to believe otherwise. If black politician says that gang members in Hackney need better male role models and a sense of personal responsibility, many people on the left cannot accept that they simply hold a different political opinion, but instead accuse them of betraying their ethnicity, of being an uncle tom, of expressing internalised dolphin rape. The content of their mind is devalued because of the colour of their skin.

I'm all for inclusiveness, which is precisely why I am made uncomfortable by identity politics. I've been in far too many rooms where BME and LGBT people have been patronised and othered by ostensible "allies". I've heard far too many conversations where someone has been made to feel less safe and less welcome precisely because of a patronising and hyper-sensitive attitude to diversity. We absolutely need to fight against all forms of bigotry, but we can't do that with an insidious form of bigotry that elevates categories of identity above personal choices.
>> No. 86457 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:04 pm
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>>86453
I bet the water cannons more than paid for themselves. £300k is fuck all to pander to his base and appear tough on unrest. It's hardly his fault that Theresa May placed the hooman rights of rioters above a deserved good hiding is it?

And after it emerged that May tried to hide intelligence from Boris as Foreign Secretary it's hardly unreasonable to view her refusal to okay the cannons as petty and politically calculated.
>> No. 86458 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:15 pm
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>>86457
>I bet the water cannons more than paid for themselves. £300k is fuck all to pander to his base and appear tough on unrest.
The money for them came out of the public purse so this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

>It's hardly his fault that Theresa May placed the hooman rights of rioters above a deserved good hiding is it?
They were also broken and not roadworthy.
>> No. 86459 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:19 pm
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>>86457

It might have been sensible to ask the home office for permission before spending 300 grand on them. It might also have been useful to ask the police whether they actually wanted water cannons - a key reason for the home office refusal was opposition from ACPO.
>> No. 86462 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:28 pm
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>>86447

I am not saying that at all. My statement is that it takes very few to pollute otherwise sensible movements of everyday labour voters.

>>86452

>I've always held that making people of different identities feel safe and included can do nothing but make a movement stronger. However you seem to be railing against so-called identity politics on the grounds that it makes organisations ineffective.

The issue is it takes time and effort to write up a proper thought out discrimination policy, when really it should be as simple as saying 'this organisation is against being a unreasonable to people'. most non business organisations are a hand full of people trying to manage a larger group of people on good will they don't have access to a lawyer and a public relations expert to handle these issues, they would much rather just focus on what goal they are trying to achieve.

And these things are a never ending source of contention and argument that distracts away from focusing on the intentions of an organisation.

>Can you provide some concrete examples of what you mean?

The most concreate example I can point to which you would have heard of is the 99% movement which spent less time dealing with the economic issues and message and more time making sure it was inclusive in a way that made it ineffectual.

I've also overheard a young adult privileged white girl complaining at a volunteer run convection that it didn't have a good enough discrimination policy whist standing in said convention, one which I have been the committee for previously. These people are very quick to complain how things are phlegmatic but they won't offer practical solutions because they know there isn't one. I would have spoken up about 'well you obviously feel comfortable enough to be here' but I'm sure they would write a blog post and attack the organization on social media afterwards because being confronted made them feel unsafe.
>> No. 86463 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 4:32 pm
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>>86462

How did you manage to delete-to-edit that post twice and still have so many spelling mistakes?
>> No. 86464 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 5:25 pm
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>>86458
They were made roadworthy and that is included in the £300k cost. What do you think new water cannon cost? Hint: it's going on six times as much.

>>86459
Cameron had given assurances that they would be licensed if more riots were to occur. It's better to have your preparations go to waste than be caught with your pants down.
>> No. 86465 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 8:23 pm
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>>86457
LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!
>> No. 86466 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 10:46 pm
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I was looking for that sketch of the scary Quakers and found this.


>> No. 86467 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 11:35 pm
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>>86466
Yeah Stewlee recently wrote for the Guardian on Boris, referencing his past two routines, and addressing the reader as 'dude' for some reason. I'm sure the latter is unbearably clever in some way that has gone over my head, or will be made clear in an extra feature when the column comes out on DVD.
>> No. 86468 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 11:51 pm
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>>86467
I read this post in his voice, it works quite well.
>> No. 86469 Anonymous
5th August 2019
Monday 12:00 am
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>>86467
I haven't read the piece, but Johnson did a whole bit about the acronym "D.U.D.E" in his leadership victory speech.
>> No. 86471 Anonymous
5th August 2019
Monday 1:31 pm
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>>86452
>I've always held that making people of different identities feel safe and included can do nothing but make a movement stronger. However you seem to be railing against so-called identity politics on the grounds that it makes organisations ineffective.

see

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>> No. 86472 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 11:09 am
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>>86471
I have, and I see no evidence that said organisation is ineffective in its aims as a direct result of asking people to use the right pronouns and so on.
>> No. 86473 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 1:25 pm
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>>86472

Well you've done 2 things there. The first is claiming up is down.

The second is to change the goal posts to just being about misuse of pro-nouns to dodge acknowledging the shit show caused by focusing too heavily on inclusiveness.
>> No. 86474 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 1:29 pm
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>>86473
POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE!
I find it difficult to comprehend words of more than three syllables. Can we please limit our usage of excessively polysyllabic words?
>> No. 86475 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 1:40 pm
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>>86474
I've got some bad news for you, sunshine. The PM is a master of sesquipedalian loquatiousness.
>> No. 86476 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 6:53 pm
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>>86474

If you went into the room and yelled that you might shit up the movement for a life time. They can only talk in Jargon.
>> No. 86477 Anonymous
6th August 2019
Tuesday 8:08 pm
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>>86473
Maybe try writing this post again so it's coherent? I'm still open to being shown how being inclusive makes a movement less effective.
>> No. 86504 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 8:58 pm
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Based on, well, fuck all really, I'm starting to think that Boris is going to actually pull WWIII out of the bag.
>> No. 86505 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 9:00 pm
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>>86504
>WWIII

Sorry, mods. I am not having that. We are not Septic. It'll be the Third World War, not World War Three.
>> No. 86506 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 9:04 pm
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>>86505
Fixed.
>> No. 86508 Anonymous
28th August 2019
Wednesday 10:42 am
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Seeing the anti no-deal writing on the wall, he's actually going to suspend parliament, the massive great big gimp.
>> No. 86511 Anonymous
28th August 2019
Wednesday 12:07 pm
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>>86508

Shouldn't we be doing something about this? Anything at all? It's completely undemocratic and basically a coup by the fucking goblin himself.
>> No. 86524 Anonymous
28th August 2019
Wednesday 7:39 pm
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>>86511
Given that the lads in Cheltenham will know your plans of revolution before you've even decided to revolt, what exactly do you think you'd be able to do?
>> No. 86525 Anonymous
28th August 2019
Wednesday 7:47 pm
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>>86511
There are protests up and down the country, or so I'm told. There's even one in Chester. Or we could just start... no, sorry, can't post that, it's criminal offence.
>> No. 86529 Anonymous
28th August 2019
Wednesday 9:55 pm
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Let's all write sternly worded letters instead.
>> No. 86823 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 6:14 pm
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If I was going to try and get around this law requiring me to write a specific letter to ask for an extension on the 19th of October, I would have a short break to John O'Groats and then when I have to write the letter (at 23.55) I would give it to a fat man to hand deliver to Tusk, and the fat man would start walking there. We'd be out of the EU before the letter even arrives!
>> No. 86824 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 7:23 pm
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>>86823
So you have the cunning and legal understanding of a young schoolboy.
>> No. 86825 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 7:43 pm
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>>86824

Which school though? Eton?
>> No. 86827 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 7:57 pm
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>>86825
More like Moreton School.
>> No. 86828 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 8:13 pm
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>>86824

Perhaps you could explain why it wouldn't work?
>> No. 86829 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 8:16 pm
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>>86828

For the same reason that if I paid my electricity bill by setting off a cheque as a message in a bottle on the day it's due, I'd probably still get my power cut before SSE fishes it out of the sea on their end.
>> No. 86830 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 8:32 pm
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>>86828
Section 1 subsection 4 of the Surrender Act 2019, sometimes referred to as the Capitulation Act, states that "The Prime Minister must seek to obtain from the European Council an extension of the period under Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union ending at 11.00pm on 31 October 2019" before it goes on to specify the method of communicating this.

On the face of it, sending a letter that he knows, as an assumed reasonable person, cannot arrive in time does nothing to discharge his duty to seek an extension. We needn't examine how courts effortlessly swat away these puerile word games, because he failed to defeat the letter of the law, much less the spirit.
>> No. 86832 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 9:27 pm
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>>86830

The Prime Minister must seek to obtain from the European Council an extension of the period under Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union ending at 11.00pm on 31 October 2019 by sending to the President of the European Council a letter in the form set out in the Schedule to this Act requesting an extension of that period to 11.00pm on 31 January 2020 in order to debate and pass a Bill to implement the agreement between the United Kingdom and the European Union under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, including provisions reflecting the outcome of inter-party talks as announced by the Prime Minister on 21 May 2019, and in particular the need for the United Kingdom to secure changes to the political declaration to reflect the outcome of those inter-party talks.

There's absolutely nothing here that says he must ensure that the letter reaches the recipient in time. It says he must "seek to obtain...an extension... By sending... A letter".
>> No. 86833 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 9:30 pm
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>>86832
And they're under no obligation to agree the extension, either.
>> No. 86835 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 9:59 pm
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>>86832
>There's absolutely nothing here that says he must ensure that the letter reaches the recipient in time.
Gidden v Humberside, m7.
>> No. 86836 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 10:10 pm
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>>86835

That's a judgement that any act specifying that a document should be served by post should be considered to have been delivered in the due course of post.

However, Benn Act says he must "send a letter" but has no actual requirement that Mr Johnson uses the postal service to send it, or specify a time limit for when the European Commission should have received said letter.
>> No. 86837 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 10:14 pm
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>>86836
>That's a judgement that any act specifying that a document should be served by post should be considered to have been delivered in the due course of post.
You might want to read it before commenting, m7.
>> No. 86838 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 10:18 pm
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>>86837

Maybe instead of being cryptic cunt you could actually use your words?
>> No. 86839 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 10:26 pm
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>>86838
The authorities attempted to serve notice during a well-advertised postal strike. It was delayed by the strike, and accordingly it was not served.

If Johnson attempts to send the letter by some way calculated not to get there, then in the eyes of the law he will not have sent it.
>> No. 86840 Anonymous
25th September 2019
Wednesday 11:55 pm
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>>86839

It will have been calculated to get there, hand delivered by a courier who is walking directly. The summons in your case was required to come within 14 days, the Benn letter has no similar requirement.
>> No. 86841 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 12:14 am
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>>86840
Contrary to popular belief, the plot of Air Bud is not an accurate summary of legal practice.
>> No. 86843 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 1:33 am
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So this is what the finest educational establishments in the country are turning out?
>> No. 86848 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 4:24 pm
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>>86843

"What would you like for supper, dear?"

"Well, myself- that is to say, I, will not commit to a potentially catastrophic outcome before weighing up all the options that are on the table."

"But I haven't even put out the plates and cutlery yet."

"Then I will answer that question when the time is right."
>> No. 86856 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 7:58 pm
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The no deal has been part of his plan all along. Why bother fucking around negotiating at all? Just plan for the worst, hope for the best and stiff upper lip, etc.
>> No. 86857 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 8:19 pm
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>>86856
I look forward to your next article in the FT, m8.

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