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|>>|| No. 92282
Perhaps the problem with Labour wasn't actually Jeremy Corbyn?
|>>|| No. 93938
I like how they conveniently neutered the free speech question to the degree that both answers can be interpreted as the same thing. And the the school history question isn't in line with any national debate. Suppose it doesn't matter so long as they can make it into the paper though and get more people signed up to watch ads for them.
If you use YouGov you're a patsy for corporate interests. There are ways to structure electronic engagement that Taiwan leads on, people need to stop thinking this is it.
|>>|| No. 93939
>There are ways to structure electronic engagement that Taiwan leads on, people need to stop thinking this is it.
Sorry, I don't really understand what you mean by this and it comes across as a very puzzling outburst. Could you explain further?
|>>|| No. 94139
>Keir Starmer’s closest aide, Jenny Chapman, is to be removed from her role as political secretary after significant criticism from MPs, but will move into the shadow cabinet taking responsibility for Brexit. Chapman’s departure is another major change to Starmer’s top team and follows a sideways move for Starmer’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, and the departure of his two most senior communications staff, Ben Nunn and Paul Ovenden.
>The move will be formally announced as part of a substantial shakeup of Starmer’s team after the Batley and Spen byelection on 1 July, the Guardian understands. That is likely to coincide with the arrival of Labour’s new director of strategy, the pollster Deborah Mattinson, who brings long experience, having previously worked for Gordon Brown.
>Labour sources say Starmer believes it is a natural moment for change, after a year in the leadership, and as Covid restrictions finally lift. However, the departure of Chapman and McSweeney’s move follow a series of complaints from MPs that Starmer’s office is aloof and uncommunicative. McSweeney will remain in the leader’s office but will focus attention on rebuilding the party machinery for the next general election.
>Despite a barrage of private criticism of Chapman from MPs, Starmer and his closest aides had seemed determined to defend her because of the key role she had played in his leadership campaign. Chapman had once said she would occupy his office until he stood for leader. MPs blamed her for the decision to make Paul Williams the Hartlepool byelection candidate despite his remainer credentials in the pro-Brexit constituency. Labour humiliatingly lost the seat last month. “I have never encountered someone so difficult to deal with and I went through the Corbyn years,” one senior official said. “Relations seriously deteriorated over the Liverpool mayoral selection and the Hartlepool selection.” They also blamed Chapman for some of the disastrous messaging around the reshuffle after the byelection loss, when briefings that Starmer was planning to sack his deputy, Angela Rayner, from her elections role were met with fury by her team.
|>>|| No. 94163
>who brings long experience, having previously worked for Gordon Brown.
Why does nobody ever hire experienced people who actually won? Both in Labour and the Conservatives there's this awful trend of going "Oh, we've got this adviser, he's really good, he was on the Clinton campaign" and I just think - why are you hiring these people? Why are you bragging that you've picked up someone with a track record of humiliating failure? When looking for a personal driver, you'd never go "Oh yeah, you've probably heard of him, he's the one who caused the 17 car pileup on the M6, so we know he's got experience with a car!"
And when I say pick a winner: for the love of god, no, not increasingly decrepit Blairite holdovers. Get on the phone to the ALP, who at least win state elections. Get on the phone to the Canadian Liberals if you must. Ideally, get on the phone to Ardern's team. If Labour has any hope whatsoever of winning the next election it's going to take another byelection and then nicking their strategy of anointing a new leader that people actually like 15 minutes before the election.
|>>|| No. 94168
Let's take this logic to its conclusion: Grab a shovel and meet me on the Isles of Scilly, we're digging up Harold Wilson. Like the Blairites he's actually won an election and is completely unaware of how the internet works, like the Brownites he's got a ready-made excuse for not being associated with the Iraq war, having been dead for 8 years when it broke out, and unlike either of them he's not associated with any of Labour's current utterly useless factions.
|>>|| No. 94211
>Labour has given the strongest sign yet that it has gone back on its new leader’s pledge that he would introduce free social care if his party won power, after a shadow cabinet member said such a policy would be too expensive.
>Thangam Debbonaire told female party members at a meeting last weekend that introducing free social care for disabled and older people would “give the Tories a stick to beat Labour with”, Disability News Service (DNS) has been told. She apparently claimed that such a policy would cost “£100 billion” and would cost more than the annual budget of the NHS. She also said that right-wing newspapers would attack the policy and that it would lose Labour the next election.
|>>|| No. 94213
I've said it a thousand times, but this is what irritates me most of all about these centrist types: they aren't even very good at politics on top of having no real beliefs.
Of course the Conservatives are going to beat you with sticks over this, they're going to beat you with sticks over everything the party does because that's how politics works and doubly so when it's the Tories. What policy does Debbonaire (Jesus Christ) think Labour could come up with that would make the Tories stand up in Parliament and say "wow, great idea, well done"? If she knows what this cost-free silver bullet policy is I'd love to know as it sounds like quite the boon to the public's and Labour's fortunes.
|>>|| No. 94238
>Angela Rayner has been forced to deny any immediate plans to challenge Keir Starmer for the Labour leadership, amid feverish speculation at Westminster as voters in Batley and Spen go to the polls.
>Labour still has hopes of winning the hard-fought byelection; but many MPs are already discussing what might happen if they were to lose it. The Guardian understands that allies of Rayner did make tentative approaches to potential supporters after May’s Hartlepool byelection, which Labour lost, and believed at the time they could have mustered the 40 MPs necessary to launch a challenge. But they insist she does not want to stand now, preferring to try to shape Labour policy, and they are concerned about the risk to her reputation if she wields the knife against a sitting leader.
I fucking hope not. I watched her being interviewed the other day and she said "in crued" instead of "accrued" because she's thick as pig shit.
|>>|| No. 94239
She'd be great. Thick, uneducated, incompetent at politics. Mildly socialist. I'd imagine her handlers would have a turnover rate measured in Hertz. Jezza as her deputy (or chancellor) for maximum japery.
If we're going to have an ineffective opposition, why not go the whole way, blow another few months on a divisive and destructive leadership campaign, then fuck up the GE.
god I'm depressed.
|>>|| No. 94240
How can one be 'mildly socialist'? Support some kind of timeshare arrangement between the workers and the capitalist class?
|>>|| No. 94241
Don't worry, if anything it will make the Tories massively overconfident so they try and push an unpopular yet necessary policy that collapses their support base. If you set yourself on fire and run around like a madman there's chance you can set others on fire who might burn more veraciously.
|>>|| No. 94242
Now you've got me imagining a timeline where Corbyn is defenestrated in 2016 so when the Conservatives throw in the dementia tax in 2017 or 2020, instead of opportunistically exploiting it Labour fumbles the issue trying to look "responsible." (after all, what if Labour said they wouldn't do anything similar and looked like they'd mismanage the public finances?) Perhaps even going so far as to explain, better than the Conservatives, why the Tory policy wasn't actually so bad and so isn't a major issue. (unlike Labour's fully costed plan for means tested kicks in the teeth)
|>>|| No. 94243
George Galloway is apparently going to pull it off.
|>>|| No. 94245
>George Galloway is apparently going to pull it off.
I'll be tuning into the Commons again then.
|>>|| No. 94252
I find trainwrecks entertaining. Am I to assume you took my interest in seeing the man explode in the Commons as an endorsement of his policy?
Do you consider yourself easily seethed or just stupid?
|>>|| No. 94254
Not to worry lad. Kier is acting like he stormed to a historic victory personally, by just over 300 votes.
|>>|| No. 94255
I, for one, look forward to our politicians returning focus to the issues that matter. Namely how we can make Londoners richer and to better represent their political beliefs over the commuter towns of Carlisle and Lerwick.
|>>|| No. 94257
"Batley and Spen: Labour is back after by-election win, says Starmer"
Ok Starmer, really grasping at the straws now.
|>>|| No. 94258
I saw someone call Galloway a carpetbagger on Twitter and thought it was a word filter.
|>>|| No. 94259
Go to bed George, see you at the next By-election (unless your own bitterness hasn't consumed you like something akin to necrosis before then).
|>>|| No. 94284
Not him, and Galloway is a cunt, but Starmer declaring Labour to be on some kind of resurgance, when they got their lowest vote share ever, when they just barely snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, is really stupid.
It's exactly the kind of arrogance that led so many (stupid) people to vote for Galloway. Labour should be showing some humility and seeking to address the issues that alienated the voters of Batley and Spen from them. Instead Starmer appears to be treating the previous by-election losses as just anomalous blips in an otherwise perfect record.
|>>|| No. 94285
People like backing winners. Starmer and Labour need to start sounding like winners because all they've really done so far is talk about how people have been right to abandon Labour because they'd been taken for granted for too long, which has been massively unpopular because he's coming across like a right loser.
Labour also need to stop with the massive infighting. It's been funny watching the mental gymnastics by Corbyn supporters online before and after election day but this sort of shit is electoral kryptonite. Take the win, learn the lesson that local candidates are better than parachuting in some wonk and fucking build on it.
|>>|| No. 94287
Carbetbagger is a fine insult that has been hideously co-opted by our benevolent masters.
|>>|| No. 94288
>seeking to address the issues that alienated the voters of Batley and Spen from them
Swing voters are notorious for voting for who Sandra down the pub thinks looks least like a paedo. I don't think there is much more to it than Galloway wore a nice hat and purred like a kitten on Big Brother once after calling Micheal Barrymore a Jakey carpet-bagger.
|>>|| No. 94311
Keir Starmer is preparing to support a purge of far-left factions that were vocal supporters of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. After 15 months of being party leader, Starmer is expected to support a proposal before the party’s governing body on Tuesday to proscribe four named groups.
The proposal, first reported in the Daily Mirror, has angered leftwing members who believe this may be part of a wider purge of the party. Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee will be asked to proscribe Resist and Labour Against the Witchhunt, which claims antisemitism allegations were politically motivated, and Labour In Exile Network, which expressly welcomes expelled or suspended members. Socialist Appeal, a group that describes itself as a Marxist voice of Labour and youth, would also become a banned group. Anyone found to be a member of any these groups could be automatic expelled from the Labour party.
|>>|| No. 94313
You know who else had widespread purges after becoming leader of his party? Stalin. What a bloody hypocrite.
|>>|| No. 94314
Expelling the first two for antisemitism is an easy sell, fair enough, but getting rid of the completely irrelevant Socialist Appeal feels like sad middle aged NOLSies trying to roleplay as Neil Kinnock by attacking the few remaining coffin dodgers who opposed him the first time around.
|>>|| No. 94315
Lad, it's from the IEA and talking about children having socialist political beliefs.
|>>|| No. 94325
I actually remember John Prescott warning that the party was facing bankruptcy in 2010. As far as I can tell their finances have been in dire straights since the Iraq War, although there's no chance they'd go bankrupt it does make you wonder of the continual pressures that's been having behind the scenes.
|>>|| No. 94327
They need to stop pissing it away on legal action resulting from infighting.
|>>|| No. 94328
I know it was to skirt the rules on declaring donations, but Blair was still a right idiot to sell honours for loans at commercial rates of interest rather than for cold hard cash when the party was broke. Not like Lloyd George, a proper crook who not only sold honours, but let the money rest in his own account and used it quite successfully for factional purposes.
|>>|| No. 94329
>another paid £12,500 to have home-cooked dinner with the environment secretary, Michael Gove, and his wife, Sarah Vine.
Being a rich political donor must be hard. You can't just give money to get your back scratched, you end up getting all sorts of dinner party invites and have to spend time hobnobbing with leaders.
|>>|| No. 94330
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if I gave, say, three grand to the Green Party instead of spunking it on Bitcoins that immediately lose 60% of their value. Would they just accept it? Or would I get a favour in return? If I just donated it for fun, would they ring me up and ask me if I want anything? If I donated it to Labour instead, would the local Labour MP help me get some land to build a house on?
|>>|| No. 94335
A large plot of wasteground that I can build a mansion on. There are plenty around here. I would happily pay 10 grand straight into an MP's pocket to receive such a thing, and nobody else wants them (or at least, they haven't had this brilliant idea).
|>>|| No. 94342
You could throw it my way. I can't guarantee any political favours, but you'll definitely get an intimate dinner for two at a Harvester of your choice (from a list of two).
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