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>> No. 94461 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 2:24 pm
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Boris Johnson outlines new 1.25% health and social care tax to pay for reforms

A new health and social care tax will be introduced across the UK to pay for reforms to the care sector and NHS funding in England, the PM has said.

Boris Johnson said it would raise £36bn for frontline services in the next three years and be the "biggest catch-up programme in the NHS' history". He accepted the tax broke a manifesto pledge, but said the "global pandemic was in no one's manifesto".

The tax will begin as a 1.25% rise in National Insurance (NI) from April 2022 paid by both employers and workers, and will then become a separate tax on earned income from 2023 - calculated in the same way as NI and appearing on an employee's payslip. Income from share dividends - earned by those who own shares in companies - will also see a 1.25% tax increase.

The UK-wide tax will be focused on funding health and social care in England, but Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will receive an additional £2.2bn to spend on their services. Mr Johnson said the proceeds from these rises would lead to £12bn a year going into catching up on the backlog in the NHS created by Covid, increasing hospital capacity for nine million more appointments, scans and operations.

The money will also go towards changes to the social care system, where a cap will be introduced on care costs from October 2023 of £86,000 over a person's lifetime. All people with assets worth less than £20,000 will then have their care fully covered by the state, and those who have between £20,000 and £100,000 in assets will see their care costs subsidised.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58476632
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>> No. 94462 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 3:07 pm
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Our national grifter will grift more money from people who cannot afford it in favour of taking it from people who can because he's a grifting worthless pile of dog shit.
>> No. 94463 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 3:26 pm
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Normally, I am almost universally in favour of higher taxes always. The government can use their size to bargain for better prices, and give me more than I would get otherwise for the same money. But really, truly, honestly, there is no way this isn't taking money from poorer people with jobs, and giving it to richer people without jobs. It's completely scandalous. It's like the bad idea you suggest at the start of negotiations which you know the other side won't accept, but nobody had a better idea so it wound up winning anyway. Kind of like Boris Johnson himself as Prime Minister.
>> No. 94464 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 3:46 pm
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>>94463
Higher progressive taxes I can agree with, but NI rates are regressive like VAT. Progressive tax is what is needed (add a 60% bracket at £150k+, I'm in that bracket), but sadly the government is a bunch of wankers and as log as FPTP is in place this island will always be a backwater tax haven.
>> No. 94465 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 3:58 pm
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>>94461 is that 1.25% of both ERS & EES NI?
It does seem to be a 'fuck the workers' to fund the retired kind of tax. I really hope it gives labour (or some opposition, at least) something to chew on. What did covid do to the elderly voter base? Fuck all, I guess.

>a cap will be introduced on care costs from October 2023 of £86,000 over a person's lifetime.

Right, I'll set up a care company, wipe my own arse for a while and bill myself an extravagant amount. Say, £80K over a year. Make sure it gets recorded in whatever spending register gets set up (of just bung someone a tenner to fiddle the record) and I'm all set. Although, by the time I'm old enough to need it, 'free' care will be an uber to the suicide booth and 50p for the slot.
Fuck's sake.
>> No. 94466 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 4:23 pm
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They should merge NI and income tax into one, especially rather than creating a separate tax altogether.

Maybe then more people will realise the difference in the marginal rate between a basic rate and a higher rate taxpayer is only actually 10%.
>> No. 94467 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 4:53 pm
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>>>94464

>Progressive tax is what is needed (add a 60% bracket at £150k+, I'm in that bracket), but sadly the government is a bunch of wankers and as log as FPTP is in place this island will always be a backwater tax haven.

Why don't you pay extra tax then? You can make voluntary additional payments to HMRC, it's easy.
>> No. 94468 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 6:36 pm
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One way to see this tax is that all workers pay it yet the beneficiaries are not pensioners but their descendants. The cap on care costs means that the well-off middle classes will be able to inherit most of the value in their parents overpriced houses rather than the state using that money to pay the care bill.
>> No. 94469 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 7:38 pm
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My mum has rung me up after the news today, wanting to put her and my dad's house in my name and my brother's name. I've told her I'll talk to her properly when I see her next, stop her from doing something rash.
>> No. 94471 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 8:28 pm
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>>94467

Can you actually?

Not him, but one person paying another couple of hundred quid extra a month to NI is astronomically not the same as everyone who earns that much having to do it, but you already knew that.
>> No. 94472 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 10:51 pm
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>>94469
Make them pay market rent on it, then when they need shifting to a care home point out that they don't have any assets and therefore shouldn't have to pay out of pocket. Then you get yourself a free house to live in or sell.
>> No. 94475 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 11:33 pm
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>>94471
Not him but what happens is you buy debt that is cancelled. Or give the DMO money which it then uses to buy back and cancel gilts. https://www.dmo.gov.uk/responsibilities/public-sector-funds-crnd/miscellaneous-accounts/donations-and-bequests-account/

Annoyingly you don't get anything for it. Tight gits, I'd chuck 'em £20 if they gave me a certificate or a letter of thanks.
>> No. 94477 Anonymous
8th September 2021
Wednesday 7:10 am
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>>94472
Too much fannying about. I'm going to tell them to sever the tenancy on their house and have each 50% share passing to me and my brother in their wills.
>> No. 94478 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 10:09 am
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I think what gets overlooked in the debate about social care is that the council will only pay for you to live in a shitty local authority care home. If you want anything better than this and would rather be sent to a good quality care home then this is coming out of your own pocket.
>> No. 94479 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 7:11 pm
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>> No. 94480 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 7:18 pm
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>>94479
If you don't know you can post images on an imageboard I'm quite certain the NWO has all but won already. You're not exactly JC Denton.
>> No. 94481 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 7:26 pm
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>>94480
This board has a file size limit of 1MB.
>> No. 94482 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 7:39 pm
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>>94481
Broken britfa.gs.
>> No. 94483 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 9:37 pm
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>>94479

MY GOD, HUNDREDS OF MAJOR COMPANIES ARE LINKED TO AN ANNUAL MEETING OF RICH AND IMPORTANT PEOPLE. NEXT YOU'LL BE TELLING ME THAT RICH PEOPLE GIVE MONEY TO POLITICAL PARTIES.
>> No. 94484 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 9:57 pm
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>>94483
It's also hopelessly out of date. Some of those companies don't even exist anymore.
>> No. 94485 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 9:57 pm
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is there any good reason not to scrap national insurance and up income tax to make up the shortfall?
>> No. 94486 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 9:59 pm
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>>94485
By doing it this way, employers and self-employed also have to chip in.
>> No. 94487 Anonymous
9th September 2021
Thursday 10:02 pm
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OPs image makes me nervous because it looks like they're going to try talking to me. I bet the last Tommy on the end is one of those men who will mumble a question at you.
>> No. 94493 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 11:26 am
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>>94487
Imagine spending the rest of your days just sat in a stale room with a bunch of other old biddies, just waiting for the sweet release of death.
>> No. 94494 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 11:50 am
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>>94493
I hear it's not so bad for blokes. Old people are basically drug-addled swingers and men (especially men who can still drive) are in high-demand. Whether getting gangbanged by 80 year olds is enjoyable I don't know but I presume getting tossed off by a care-worker isn't an impossible ambition.
>> No. 94495 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 12:02 pm
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>>94494
I have read before that STIs are relatively high in old people because they don't always bother with protection due to women no longer being able to make a baby, but I'm sure I've also read that rape and sexual assault in nursing homes is a lot more common than people think.
>> No. 94496 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 12:37 pm
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>>94494
>>94495
I'm curious, are old people the bees knees once you get to a certain age? I know you take what you can get but does your perspective and preferences continue to mature. Particularly as you're spending all day surrounded by old people.
>> No. 94499 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 6:09 pm
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>>94496

People tend to remain attracted to people their own age or thereabouts, yes. I didn't want to fuck my teacher when I was 15, but now I'm about the age she was, all I want is to find a nice lumpy maths teacher to suck me off.
>> No. 94500 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 6:37 pm
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>>94496
I think it's a combination of reaching the age where you stop being held back by worries about what other people may think of you and realising you don't have long left so might as well make the most of it.

>>94499
>I didn't want to fuck my teacher when I was 15

You clearly weren't taught German by Mrs Russell with the delightly large chest.
>> No. 94501 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 7:13 pm
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>>94500

I still daydream about Ms Sherbourne's massive rack. I needed a lot of help with my work that year.
>> No. 94508 Anonymous
10th September 2021
Friday 10:49 pm
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My science teacher who was 5ft tall in high heeled knee high boots and had big bulging eyes like Dobby the house elf, but in a sexy way. I'm only attracted to women older than me. As someone in my late 20s, 40-55 is ideal range for me.
>> No. 94509 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 12:41 am
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>>94508
I had Mrs Dickinson, similar height but solid features, bit of a hard Essex accent which was a turn on for us southern as fuck fairylads. There was an actually fit trainee teacher and I can't remember her name, so I don't know what to make of that.

When all's said an done, I'd probably be willing to go up to Joan Collins level of tarted up but saggy as owt. Nina Hartley will probably get me going for the next couple of decades. Is that bad?
>> No. 94510 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 3:42 pm
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Here we have it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1015736/Build_Back_Better-_Our_Plan_for_Health_and_Social_Care.pdf

Only 'personal care' costs are capped, meaning the 'hotel style' costs are excluded from the cap.

This means it's likely only around £400 of the average weekly care costs of £680 would count towards the cap, so you are talking being in care for over four years before you'd reach the cap.

If you're self funding and paying £1,000 a week for care then it's still only the £400 a week or so local authority rate that counts towards the cap, meaning you'd actually pay over £200k before you reached it in four years.

The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

https://www.independentage.org/news-media/press-releases/cost-of-average-length-of-stay-a-residential-care-home-equivalent-to-26
>> No. 94511 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 4:45 pm
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>>94510
>The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

This has got to be the shittest bit of getting old.
>> No. 94512 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 4:46 pm
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>>94510
The purpose of this is to build on the fact that your live-in home doesn't count towards your assets - so presumably the 'hotel style' costs (which isn't referenced in the document?) don't apply for the target. It's for the care worker to pop in and do whatever that woman did who used to visit my nan (sponge baths? tea? etc.)

I could be wrong but I feel like you're reaching too much on this. What you need to do is plough for longer and deeper into how I pay enough tax.

>The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it. The 'average person' likely won't need most medical treatment on offer but we still have an NHS paying for it. Go ahead, go into your nearest hospital and ask if you can play with the defibrillator - they told me to piss off. Fat chance I'll ever get a go on those new hospital beds I'm going to have to pay for while we're at it.
>> No. 94513 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 9:29 pm
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>>94512
>The purpose of this is to build on the fact that your live-in home doesn't count towards your assets - so presumably the 'hotel style' costs (which isn't referenced in the document?) don't apply for the target. It's for the care worker to pop in and do whatever that woman did who used to visit my nan (sponge baths? tea? etc.)

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. People who are worried about having nothing to pass on to their kids because their wealth has been used to pay for care fees are those who have to go and live in a residential home, not those who can manage with domiciliary care that is partially met through attendance allowance.

Point 37a of the document states that the cap is on personal care costs and covered further in point 38.

From October 2023, the Government will introduce a new £86,000 cap on the amount
anyone in England will need to spend on their personal care over their lifetime. This
will be a seismic change in the way we pay for care and will deliver a core
recommendation of the independent Dilnot Commission. It will be implemented using
legislation already in place under the 2014 Care Act, which introduces the independent
Dilnot Commission’s social care charging reform. As a result of this new cap, people
will no longer face unpredictable or unlimited care costs.


Point 43 mentions.

People may choose to “top up” their care costs by paying the difference towards a more expensive service, but this will not count towards the cap.

Actually, here's a Telegraph article pointing out the same thing:-

>The new lifetime social care cap of £86,000 has been branded “misleading” by providers because it fails to cover food and accommodation for care home residents.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/07/misleading-social-care-cap-does-not-cover-care-home-food-accommodation/

Similar with iNews:-

>Perhaps the biggest hole in the Government’s proposals is the fact that the major costs outside “personal care” are not counted as part of the £86,000 cap. This means that what are known as “hotel costs”, such as accommodation, food and cleaning – estimated at between £10,000 to £12,000 a year – will have to be paid for on top.

https://inews.co.uk/news/social-care-plan-flaws-government-fix-system-sell-homes-costs-1189224/

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