I think we've fundamentally lost sight of when a joke ist a joke, however dark it may be. Yes, the Holocaust is rightly a taboo subject, but I think Jimmy Carr, if narrowly, kept it from being openly racist. It was still tongue in cheek enough to fall within his well known brand of humour. If you're just now taking offence at things he says, then where have you been the last 15 years.

Not everything that is poor taste should be illegal extremism. Comedians and others should have the right to be offensive. Within certain boundaries.

I feel like I need to stand-up for the man on the Clapham Omnibus here. I don't think that most people will care about Jimmy Carr and they absolutely don't want James Cleverly poking through their porn history.

The problem is that in our political life there's a disconnect because outside of a small sub-set of lawyers there isn't the mobilisation against the police state and to make it worse both of the mainstream parties lean authoritarian. Labour if anything will be worse but both use emotive stories to ram through draconian laws to make it look like they're doing something.

This is why you should all vote third parties in, so we can call a spade a spade and tell it like it is rather than what our lying ex-wives said in that courtroom about our drinking.

>>98447

>Labour if anything will be worse but both use emotive stories to ram through draconian laws to make it look like they're doing something.

I think the problem is their dogmatism and their respective beliefs in their own dogoodery. Both think they need to make the world a better place by forcing you to act and think the way they believe is right. Both advocate stifling conformism, which is filled with different things for Labour than it is for the Conservatives, but in the end, it's all the same end result.

I'm not sure I'll even bother to go and vote.

>>98448
Not to spurt our cunt-off reserves before the election but that's something I noticed in how Alastair Campbell couldn't work out what the difference was between Lib-Dems and Labour in his interview with Ed Davey. He had it clearly explained to him that Labour has an authoritarian tradition that Ed Davey doesn't agree with but even after years in New Labour the concept is completely alien.

And then there's the 'libertarian wing' of the Conservative party that is just about Thatcherism. Like the only thing anyone gives a toss about is the VAT on a pack of fags.

What was the old definition of extremism? I think I have seen the new one on the news, but maybe that was just a quote from a longer definition. Any definition is always going to require plenty of wiggle-room for things we haven’t thought of yet, and with that in mind, I don’t think the specific wording is ever going to be particularly newsworthy.

>>98449

>the 'libertarian wing' of the Conservative party that is just about Thatcherism.

And that's all they can come up with. Market radicalism, no less dogmatic than many of today's mainstream left-wing or Conservative political currents. And which didn't work so well 40 years ago, much as it wouldn't today.

Libertarianism also got us into this whole Brexshit mess we're in. Yes, it was originally simply a political power play move by Cameron, but he couldn't have done it without the libertarians in his party, and he has called himself a "liberal Conservative".

What a label that is anyway. The last thing that "libertarians" want is liberty and freedom for the average Joe like you and me. It's all a scam.

>>98451
What the Tory "libertarians" want is for the law to protect but not bind them, and bind but not protect everyone else.

>>98451
>What a label that is anyway. The last thing that "libertarians" want is liberty and freedom for the average Joe like you and me. It's all a scam.

Telling the government to fuck off sounds like a sensible starting point, it's just that the exceptions to this always seem to come from the side of regulating lives so you end up with generic neoliberalism. There's no social-libertarian counter or cross-party alignment to pushback the power of the state. You won't even see an ordinary liberal resistance. In a way the decline of libertarian wings has enabled the debate to be captured by the far-right.

The Libertarian Wing of the Conservative Party wants Singapore which, well it's mental.

>>98452
I think they're just retarded. It's young Tories that make up that side of the party.