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>> No. 5907 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 6:50 pm
5907 Watches
I was sure we had a wristwatch thread, but maybe the topic just came up elsewhere. A relative of mine has just offered to get me a watch for Chrimbo, with a budget of up to 120 quid-ish. I'm in over my head so I thought I'd ask for some advice. I've narrowed down my options but only slightly.

First option is a fitness watch. I bought a £20 quid Fitbit knockoff a year ago that inevitably broke and whose heart monitor was a bit shit, but is the extra Fitbit functionality worth paying four times the price? I actually quite liked the look of it, but I wouldn't feel great wearing it on a date.

Next option is just a classic Casio digital watch, but will I look like a complete tryhard arse wearing one? I have no idea what the fashion protocol is here. And I suspect that women would be rather put off by it. Which is a vain concern admittedly, but vanity has to be at least a small factor in this decision somewhere.

Lastly, and probably my preferred option, is just a classic analogue. Absolutely nothing that has gold on it, and nothing that's the size of a dinner plate and adorned with lots of pointless doodads that clutter the face. I like silver, white and black minimalist styles that don't look too feminine if that helps - pic related is my sort of style, although the face is a bit large for my liking. Does anyone know of any decent brands in the £100 range? I'm getting good at identfying the Chinese knockoffs with vaguely-European sounding names, but it's a lot to sift through. If there's a British manufacturer in this range than all the better.

Apologies for having an unhelpfully large scope, I'm under a bit of time pressure since they want to order it this weekend. Any help is greatly apppreciated.
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>> No. 5908 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 6:54 pm
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That guy's wrist relative to his hand is unnervingly thin.
>> No. 5909 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 8:08 pm
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>A relative of mine has just offered to get me a watch for Chrimbo, with a budget of up to 120 quid-ish.

That's a bit bizarre. By the sounds of things you don't even particularly want a flash watch.

>And I suspect that women would be rather put off by it.

Women can jog on if they think they can lecture anyone on fashion, but yeah, there's no real point in a Casio. It gives off a slightly asparagus vibe and your Bin Laden-chic will inevitably end up collecting dust as it won't help pull any outfits together which is all today's watches are for.
>> No. 5910 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 8:20 pm
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>>5908

Do you think there's been some photoshop involved?
>> No. 5911 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 8:26 pm
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>First option is a fitness watch

They're worth it if you're planning to use it for all of its functions. The heart rate and so on will be much better on a pricier model, but unless you're actually interested in tracking your steps and sleep and all that then I wouldn't see the point in having one as an everyday watch.

Casio digital are wonderful and really go with anything. You certainly won't look like a tryhard wearing one, they are practical as well as stylish. I also wouldn't worry about what women think about your watch, most women (actually, most people) will barely notice your watch, especially an understated Casio digital. For what it's worth I just asked my girlfriend what make of watch I wear and what it looks like, and she got as far as 'it's silver?'

>classic analogue

Fossil are actually a very decent brand in this price range, so if you're wanting something like that then pursue that line, they do smaller diameter cases for sure (though as pointed out, I think that chap has exceptionally thin wrists) you should be able to find out the diameter easily enough.

A Seiko 5 or a Citizen eco-drive would be the two mainstay classics of the minimalist analogue styles - plug both of those into Amazon to see the ranges. If it was me, the one watch I'd want in this price range would be the Orient Mako, though you might not like the bezel with the numbers and such on it.

Really, a Seiko 5 is the smart choice here. It's a 'proper' watch and works well anywhere. There's a few variants so go nuts.
>> No. 5912 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 8:27 pm
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>>5910

Probably - men tend to buy larger watches, so making it look bigger is a conceivable marketing practice.
>> No. 5913 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 9:13 pm
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>>5911

Thanks for the feedback. I do fancy a watch, which is why it came up when she asked what I wanted. She's actually rather wealthy, and I somehow suggested the price range since I know she'd happily pay a lot more than that - expensive gifts make me feel guilty, something that would no doubt interest a psychologist.

Getting back on track, my eye was drawn to the Fossil brand and they're certainly my style. Thinking about it, what I'd really like is a watch I'd feel comfortable wearing on first dates and to formal affairs. A fitbit or Casio doesn't really fit the bill, so I think I'll make that a purchase of my own come January, as something for day-to-day wear. I imagine she'd prefer to give me something more personal anyway.

I was considering this one. It's by Skagen, who are predictably minimalist as a Scandi company, they're rather like Fossil in fact. What do you lads think? I know it's slightly above the price range but I guarantee that's not really an issue.
>> No. 5914 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 11:03 pm
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This is my personal favourite, insofar as that I've made a custom watchface for my smartwatch to mimic this.
>> No. 5915 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 11:25 pm
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I remember looking at that and liking it, I just couldn't get past the yellow second hand (it is possible to discuss your taste in watches without sounding like a nit-picking ponce?) and the fact that it has the same logo as my razor. I'm settling on two of them now, I'll post a comparison.
>> No. 5916 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 11:49 pm
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I like this one because it shows the date, but unlike most with this feature is only 5mm thick. The Skagen above is 8mm thick and 40mm in diameter - I don't have huge wrists so it might end up looking silly. It's impossible to tell online sadly. It's suitably minimalist, I like the sapphire background and it's also the cheapest, which is a factor for me at least.
>> No. 5917 Anonymous
15th December 2018
Saturday 11:51 pm
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Whereas this Skagen is exactly the style I want, but lacks a date option and doesn't have luminescent hands. It's a very, very nice watch though. And only 5mm thick, which suits me since I dislike chunky watches.

Which would you lads pick?
>> No. 5918 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 1:20 am
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>>5917
The Skagen. You use your phone for telling the time and date like a normal person would, goofball. Watches have become male jewellery.
>> No. 5919 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 10:00 am
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>>5917

I prefer the looks of the Skagen, but the lack of lume on the hands would annoy me greatly, but if you never find yourself looking at your watch in the dark i can't see it being an issue.
>> No. 5920 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 12:12 pm
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I found that having a smartwatch, even just for telling the time, reduced the amount of pointless fiddling I do with my phone - if I pull it out to check the time, I'll probably end up having a little scroll down Facebook too.
>> No. 5922 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 12:25 pm
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>>5920
I have a Samsung Gear Fit 2 as my first smartwatch. It's not hugely functional compared to others - by design of Samsung, because even though it can run apps perfectly well they market it as a fitness band - but fuck me is it comfortable. Normally watches dig into my wrist but with this baby's ergonomic shape I usually forget I'm wearing it. So fuck 'fancy' watches - it tells the time and it's really comfortable, that's all you need.
>> No. 5923 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 1:45 pm
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>>5922

A smallish watch with a NATO strap can be extremely comfortable. A NATO strap runs underneath the watch case, so there's little or no metal in contact with your skin. The Timex Weekender is an inexpensive classic.

https://www.timex.co.uk/weekender-stripe-38mm-nylon-strap-watch/Weekender-Stripe-38mm-Nylon-Strap-Watch.html?dwvar_Weekender-Stripe-38mm-Nylon-Strap-Watch_color=Chrome-Blue-White&cgid=weekender-shop-all#start=1
>> No. 5924 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 3:13 pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone, in the end I settled for the Bering.

I agree that the Skagen looks a little better, but looking through their reviews there appear to be a lot of QC issues, especially with later models. This apparently has become worse since Skagen was acquired by Fossil a few years ago. The Skagen 2-year warranty notably doesn't cover the glass, which is apparently liable to crack with little provocation. The model I'd eyed is particularly thin and with a large face, which is asking for trouble in that department.

In any case I like the luminescent hands and date display - I know I can use my phone for that, but I don't fancy whipping it out for anything that trivial - I'm getting a bloody watch after all.

On an unrelated note, I was under the impression that I had rather small wrists and measured them last night to discover they're over 7". Is that about normal size?
>> No. 5925 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 4:01 pm
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>>5924

It's pretty much dead on average. The fashion in recent years has been for absolutely massive watches, which makes a lot of men feel small-wristed for no good reason. My wrists are smaller than 6", which is a genuine nuisance if you're into watches.
>> No. 5926 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 7:49 pm
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My wrists are barely over 5.5" round.
Which is a bloody pain because I like watches. Even small dress watches look big on me.
>> No. 5927 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 11:18 pm
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I literally have a thicker cock than my wrists. That's not bragging, I just have pipe cleaners instead of arms.

Can I even manage to get a watch that isn't for kids?
>> No. 5928 Anonymous
16th December 2018
Sunday 11:19 pm
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>>5927
You could always wear the watch on your cock
>> No. 5929 Anonymous
17th December 2018
Monday 12:23 am
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>>5927>>5928
Is it thicker on the soft or just hard? Maintaining an erection for the entire time you're out of the house could be a serious ordeal.
>> No. 5930 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 1:11 pm
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>>5927
> I just have pipe cleaners instead of arms.
Are there any exercise routine to buff them up?
>> No. 5931 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 1:35 pm
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>>5930

Exercise won't make your bones bigger.
>> No. 5932 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 2:14 pm
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>>5925
Hmm, depending on how tightly I measure,somewhere between 7.5 and 7.75 inches. How do you spindly lads not break all the time? (maybe you're less clumsy than me, I guess).
inb4 'no such thing as big boned' tedious shitstorm.
My current watch is getting old, and the tritium glowy bits are becoming annoyingly dim after 15 years or so. I like the combination of clockwork and radioactivity, but Traser don't seem do do anythign any more with that combination, which isn't some glaring adventure type thing with garish tat all over.
https://www.traser.com/our-collection/active-lifestyle/p67-officer-pro/p67-officer-pro-automatic-black/
seems to be the most subtle, and it's not what I want, at all.
Ideally, I'd like hands, numbers and date, with glowy bits in useful places. Can live without the date.
Any suggestions from you lot?
>> No. 5933 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 2:32 pm
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>>5931 Exercise won't make your bones bigger.

Then how come my right wrist is substantially bigger than the left?
Might be too late to change it now, but I'd imagine that the habits of my youth made a difference.
>> No. 5934 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 2:47 pm
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>>5933
Pretty sure regular micro fractions can make bones bigger and harder over long periods of time. Something something Jackie Chan punching sand.
>> No. 5935 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 3:08 pm
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It's not a watch, but my mum gave me the early Christmas gift of a really thick, silver, bracelet and I have no idea why. It makes my wrist look tiny and I have no idea why she thought I'd like it, I think this is the year when I tell her "socks and pants are the only clothes you can buy me". Last year she got me a burgundy graphic t-shirt of a bird with the words "KAW!" over it.
>> No. 5936 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 4:01 pm
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>>5934

This is absolutely true. Bone structure can be considerably changed by activity. Resistance and "impact" type training not only increase bone density but also cross-sectional measures.

Note that tendons and other tissues can also thicken with activity. You'll normally notice a difference in the forearms between dominant and non-dominant hands.
>> No. 5937 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 4:40 pm
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>>5936

So what activities should I do to get hench wrists? Wanking obviously doesn't work because I do more than enough of that.

I don't see how there's much I can do really. I'm quite slim in general but not underweight. My forearms just taper inwards like a conical flask. There's no muscle on that part of your arm no matter who you are, and I'd have to be morbidly obese on the rest of my body before it started to go there.
>> No. 5938 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 4:41 pm
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>>5932

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Traser-p5900-506-33-11-Wristwatch/dp/B000NNY078?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_9

https://mwcwatches.com/collections/tritium-gtls-self-luminous-watches


If you've got cash to splash:
https://www.nitewatches.com/store/gb/
>> No. 5939 Anonymous
19th December 2018
Wednesday 7:58 pm
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>>5932

Tissot and Nite are the two brands that spring to mind when I hear 'tritium'. Nite in particular make very minimalist, but still quite lovely, military inspired pieces.

I think Mondiale also do trit watches but I can't be arsed to google it.
>> No. 5940 Anonymous
20th December 2018
Thursday 11:57 am
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Hmm, £175 for new lights, a (probably null) service and pressure test. Probably worth it to keep old faithful running - I like the battle-scarred look along with the pristine sapphire.
>> No. 5941 Anonymous
14th January 2019
Monday 8:13 pm
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Skagen have a number of watches in their sale, including refurbished hybrid smartwatches from £45.

https://www.skagen.com/en-gb/sale?cat=174&product_list_order=price_asc
>> No. 5942 Anonymous
14th January 2019
Monday 9:02 pm
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>>5941
There's nothing there that really appeals more than the one I'd eyed, and a few weeks on I'm very happen with the Bering. For once I made the right choice.
>> No. 5943 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 1:23 am
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>>5941
They have their full on smartwatch for £80.

I have my LG Watch Urbane but this looks far, far classier.

I'm tempted, but I don't really need it.
>> No. 5944 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 9:57 am
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>>5941
What features does a 'hybrid smartwatch' have?

Their website isn't very helpful.
>> No. 5945 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 11:05 am
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>>5944


>> No. 5946 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 11:45 am
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Hmm, strangely resistible. I really ought to be the target market for smart watches, but I think I'll stick to clockwork and ignoring emails.
>> No. 5947 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 4:50 pm
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>>5943
Got home to order it and they are already all gone. Fucks sake.
>> No. 5948 Anonymous
15th January 2019
Tuesday 6:24 pm
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>>5947
If it makes you feel any better, I just learned from today's episode of Couples Come Dine With Me that skagen is just the Swedish words for shrimps. A pretty awful name for a watch brand frankly.

Makes me even happier I picked the Bering, you never know when you're going to bump into a Swede who's longing for an excuse to sneer at lesser beings for their gauche fashion sense.
>> No. 6370 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 3:13 pm
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Bumping this thread because I am in need of a watch, but I haven't worn one in almost twenty years so I don't really know where to start. My budget is up to £150 but I'd probably be happy with something half that price. I'm looking for something simple and respectable looking rather than flashy style over substance, with a preference towards a leather strap and a white face.

Any suggestions, lads?
>> No. 6371 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 3:42 pm
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>>6370

The Timex Weekender range would likely suit your half that price budget, they are nice watches but tick quite loud - it will annoy you if you keep it in your bedroom.

For something closer to your upper limit, an Orient Bambino or a Seiko 5 (or Seiko Automatic) would suit. For me personally I'd strike somewhere in the middle with a Casio Lineage/waveceptor, but then you'd also have to find and fit a leather strap for that one.
>> No. 6372 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 4:59 pm
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>>6370

Skagen Signatur?

https://www.skagen.com/en-gb/products/signatur-brown-leather-watch/SKW6374.html
>> No. 6373 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 6:16 pm
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>>6371
Thanks, lad. I think the Seiko ones have the nicest looking watch faces but I read something the other day about them trading on reputation and having quality control issues these days.

>>6372
Skagen are one of the brands I'd been considering. Thanks, lad.
>> No. 6374 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 6:50 pm
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>>6370
Did the same thing a couple of months ago. like >>6371 said Timex's weekender and expedition ranges are definitely worth a look but they all have electronic backlights instead of luminous dials if that matters to you.

Citizen's Eco Drive range probably has something but they don't list everything on their website, especially the less expensive models so you're better off looking at reseller's sites. They're a bit more expensive than Timex but they're all solar powered and can apparently run maintenance free for over a decade as long as you don't over discharge the battery by leaving it in a dark drawer for months.

Fossil make some nice looking designs but people say the build quality can sometimes be a bit questionable, although it's hard to tell if it's a genuine issue or just watch collectors shitting on Fossil for being a "fashion" brand.

If you fancy something mechanical Seiko and Vostok make some good but not too expensive automatics in your price range.

Also you can get some really nice after-market leather straps so don't rule anything out just because of the strap it comes with.
>> No. 6375 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 7:30 pm
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>>6373
Only issues I've heard about with seikos is that the SKXs (now discontinued) had been having problems with misaligned dials.
>> No. 6376 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 9:00 pm
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>>6374
>Also you can get some really nice after-market leather straps so don't rule anything out just because of the strap it comes with.

That is a very good point, especially as I read something the other day that said you should always change the strap when you buy a watch so if you sell it on you can put the original back on to make it look in mint condition.
>> No. 6377 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 11:57 pm
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>>6375

I did see one of the more prominent (well, everything is relative) watch youtubers complaining about Seiko quality control in regards to the new lines of Seiko 5's.

However, I'd not let it put you off, provided you can be arsed to return a watch if you're not happy with it. I find watches are one of the easiest things to either have fixed under warranty, replaced or refunded with basically no drama - watch retailers are usually passionate about the products so understand the concerns, and everyone else is a megaretailer who has automated, no questions asked returns policies, backed up by the distance selling regulations.

It's a shame they seem to have been having issues, though, Seiko are perhaps my favourite watch brand.
>> No. 6378 Anonymous
19th August 2021
Thursday 11:36 am
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What do you lads think of the Casio duro watch? It's about £50 on Amazon but it'd have to be imported from America as it isn't sold here. My main concern is it looks massive.
>> No. 6379 Anonymous
24th August 2021
Tuesday 3:45 pm
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>>6378 here again.

I saw one in an antique shop earlier today for about £40. They are indeed fucking massive.
>> No. 6420 Anonymous
23rd November 2021
Tuesday 2:30 pm
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There's a perfectly good thread for you watch fags fellows here. All the more suiting that the board is labled /poof/.
>> No. 6423 Anonymous
3rd January 2022
Monday 9:26 pm
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You know what, I think I will go for a Duro. Which colour? I assume it'd be fairly easy to mod if I wanted a different colour bezel.

https://www.greatwatches.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/casio-mdv-106b-1a1v-mens-duro-200m-2021-watch-analog-200m-diver-brand-new

https://www.greatwatches.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/pre-order-casio-mdv-106b-1a2v-mens-duro-200m-2021-watch-analog-200m-diver-brand-new

https://www.greatwatches.co.uk/products/casio-mdv-106-1a-mens-duro-200m-2020-analog-200m-diver-sports-watch-brand-new
>> No. 6424 Anonymous
3rd January 2022
Monday 10:07 pm
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>>6423

I'd go for the pepsi dial personally (the red and blue), but it's all down to preference really.

You can indeed get bezel inserts, though a quick google suggests you'd have to order them from the US, and they'd cost about as much as the entire watch - though they're made of ceramic, which is a nicer, more scratch resistant material than the typical aluminium ones, so probably worth it.
>> No. 6425 Anonymous
3rd January 2022
Monday 11:06 pm
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Got a lovely solar powered and another kinetic Seiko for xmas.

Watch geek hapy.
>> No. 6426 Anonymous
3rd January 2022
Monday 11:18 pm
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I've ordered a chinese tourbillion, I'm quite excited for it as it's a little bit special despite being rather cheap.
>> No. 6427 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 12:17 am
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>>6425
The missus got me a Mr Jones Watch. They're novelty, I suppose, but they work with artists to make fun little watches with unusual cartoony faces. Attached is not the one I got, but the best example of what they do.

Given that I still check my phone for the time even when I'm wearing a watch, it's a nice gift and I'll wear it every now and then as an accessory.
>> No. 6428 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 12:29 am
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>>6427

I like these a lot. My friend has the sugar skull one, and it gets a lot of attention, it's a lot of fun. And it surprised me to find out they're automatic watches, I assumed they were overpriced fashion pieces, but in fact they're bang on the money for what they are.

I like this one a lot - the only reason I haven't bought it is because "MJW" is the initials of a very annoying colleague, and I don't want to think about him every time I look at my cool fun watch.
>> No. 6429 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:15 am
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I bought a Citizen Promaster Sky CB5000-50L watch in November. It ticked all the boxes for me, although I'd never spent over 300 quid on a wristwatch. It just seemed like an outrageous amount, when even a £50 or £100 watch can do the job very accurately. But I absolutely love my new watch and haven't looked back.

My Promaster is radio controlled and solar powered, so it's almost zero maintenance for decades. The lithium ion cell inside it can last well over a decade if you take the time to recharge it very regularly (the manual is very particular about that) with sunlight or artifical indoor light. From what you read on the web, even a single deep discharge can damage the cell so that it needs to be replaced.

I have always valued quartz accuracy over the prestige of owning a mechanical watch, and it seemed like a selling point even at 330 quid, for which you can already get a halfway respectable mechanical watch. I've always felt that there's no point even owning a watch if it can't tell time with the highest possible accuracy. Why spend (tens of) thousands on a luxury watch, when it's going to be off by five seconds every day.

My only niggle is that the stainless steel scratches very easily. I've had stainless steel watches before, so I knew what I was getting, but it's sort of more annoying on a watch that you've spent that much money on. For about 100 quid more, you can get the identical watch made of more scratch resistant titanium, which I tried on in a shop, but titanium being much lighter, it just felt like a cheap toy watch. I like the heavy feel of stainless steel on my wrist. It just feels more like I got my money's worth.
>> No. 6430 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 9:21 am
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>>6429
That looks really nice. I'm jealous of it being radio controlled, that's a neat feature.
>> No. 6431 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 10:12 am
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>>6429

>I've always felt that there's no point even owning a watch if it can't tell time with the highest possible accuracy. Why spend (tens of) thousands on a luxury watch, when it's going to be off by five seconds every day.

Even though I do own mechanical watches (and they're more like +5 seconds a week but your point is valid), I think a lot about how the 'best' watch I will ever own is this, a solar powered, radio controlled, near indestructible g-shock. It's as accurate as it could possibly be, waterproof, shockproof, and will live forever. Perhaps the only way it falls down is that I wouldn't wear it to a wedding, but then again, I probably could. It cost £89.

Of course the fascination with mechanical watches for me is that they're mechanical at all, I like the engineering that goes into them. Do I like that aspect enough to buy a 15 grand Rolex? Do I fuck.
>> No. 6432 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 12:25 pm
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>>6431

>Do I like that aspect enough to buy a 15 grand Rolex? Do I fuck.

Even if you see a luxury mechanical watch as an investment, as some people do, your timepiece is only going to maintain its value and be a profitable investment if you have it serviced regularly, ideally at authorised dealerships. Which is going to cost a good amount of money and will diminish your net profit if you actually decide to sell it one day. And you are going to have to wear it sparingly and effectively you'll need an additional daily beater watch. It's in a way similar to investing in a luxury classic car. Just buying a classic Jag, Merc or even a Ferrari isn't going to be a profitable investment if you keep it parked in front of your house as a daily driver and scrimp on the repairs.


>>6430

> I'm jealous of it being radio controlled, that's a neat feature.

I didn't really see that as a selling point at first, as even a Swatch Irony quartz watch which I had before is only off by about 20 seconds to half a minute a month, but in a tech geek kind of way, it's really neat to have. Can recommend.
>> No. 6433 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 12:47 pm
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You can pick up a Rolex replica that'd be indistinguishable to the majority of people for about £300 to £400, but I don't really see the point.

https://geektime.cc/product/submariner-41mm-126610-ln-black-ceramic-904l-steel-vsf-vs3235/

https://geektime.cc/product/yacht-master-42mm-226659-vsf-3d-black-ceramic-bezel-on-black-rubber-strap-vs3235/
>> No. 6434 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:09 pm
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>>6432

I was going to make the car analogy as I read you first sentence. I'm into my cars as well, and could afford a Ferrari if I really wanted one, but paying £3000 for an alternator would bring me much, much less joy than buying whole fucking Triumph for the same price. Similarly, a watch movement that can't be serviced by the young lad in the Watch Lab Express or Timpsons does not make me feel special, it makes me feel like a fool whose money was easily parted.

I admire Rolexes too, but I don't think I could ever buy a new one (not that you actually can, right now - there's waiting lists for years for some) because I just don't think they're that exciting of a watch company. They do some interesting things, but they do them in an extremely soulless way - horology is, to me, about handcrafted luxury, not using expensive lasers to etch stuff on your dials. But that's getting a bit too into it, I think.

I think Rolex in particular is desirable for many simply because people know they're expensive - like >>6433 says you can get a swiss made replica for a fraction of the cost with the exact same quality and complexity. I fully support anyone who wants to look like a flash git on a budget. I think most people like Rolex because it's baked into us that a Rolex means you've 'made it', though that's an extremely recent interpretation of the brand.

For me as a watch nerd I'd not buy a replica, but that's more because I know I'd enjoy a 'real' seiko for the same price more. I also don't like drawing attention to myself, I don't necessarily want people to know how much my watches cost - I've never posted a picture of any of mine here. I wear a £1600 Oris to work every day and not once has anyone noticed or commented on it, and I like it that way - I have seen people wearing Rolexes get into all sorts of horrific conversations like "how much did you pay for that" or "what do you do for a living" - no thanks.

I'm thinking about making my most expensive watch purchase, a Grand Seiko snowflake. They're about five grand, which I accept is ridiculous, and I'd be extremely embarrassed if anyone knew what it was or what it cost. But I think they're absolute works of art, at least as close as you can get to that in something made as a product.
>> No. 6435 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:17 pm
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>>6434
>I think most people like Rolex because it's baked into us that a Rolex means you've 'made it'
Who taught you all this?
>> No. 6436 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:21 pm
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>>6435
Big Clockwork.
>> No. 6437 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:29 pm
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>>6435

Rolex have always been considered exceptionally well made watches, but for the longest time they were affordable. Their dive watches were tools for working men, their dressier watches were just a cheaper way for a middle class salesman to get a luxury watch on their wrist than Cartier et al.

I can only imagine the Rolex marketing division did a lot of work to get them into films, onto celebrities, and then that hype fed into itself. There's no denying Rolex make good watches - everything they do is made in house, they source their own precious metals, grow their own sapphire, build everything to the most exacting standards. But none of that matters, not really, when you can just say "Steve McQueen wore this one, it's £20000"

The price of everything even remotely collectable seems to have shot up in the last decade - classic cars, watches, vintage clothes, all used to be relatively cheap fun for those with particular interests, but I suppose the advent of get rich quick investment apps and crypto and all that has given us the idea that everything is speculative, everything's going to be worth loads in x amount of years. And so people pay 10 grand for a used Milgauss, a watch that has (had?) an MSRP new of £3000 and everyone said was the runt of the Rolex litter five years ago. But now, now it's a future classic, you see. And you can't buy one because of the waiting list, so quick, buy mine.

It's shite. Buy what you enjoy, if you can afford it, and if it's not made of bricks, or has moving parts, don't expect to ever get your money back. Better yet, buy something you love enough that you'd not sell it unless you really had to. That's what I do, and I can't say I've ever regretted buying anything.
>> No. 6438 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:51 pm
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>>6435

The funny thing is that however that idea started, it's absolutely true now. A new Rolex on the grey market costs more than the average uk household income, and to get one at the AD, to even be on a waiting list for the big releases, you have to be a very valuable customer. So at least you have to have a notable amount of financial success to have a new one on your wrist right now.
>> No. 6439 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 1:51 pm
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>>6437

>The price of everything even remotely collectable seems to have shot up in the last decade - classic cars, watches, vintage clothes, all used to be relatively cheap fun for those with particular interests, but I suppose the advent of get rich quick investment apps and crypto and all that has given us the idea that everything is speculative, everything's going to be worth loads in x amount of years

It's fascinating actually, I've seen a video or two and read at least one article somewhere on the idea that we actually are seeing some sort of meta-speculation bubble that's affecting basically all collectibles markets.

You can see a concrete example in the retro games scene at the minute- Sealed copies of twenty five year old Mario games, for example, going for hundreds of thousands, millions in some instances. The dead giveaway is the involvement of a verification company that will give you a valuation and a certificate- If you dig up the backgrounds of the people running this company, it's the very same people who engineered the collectible comics bubble in the 90s in a very similar way. Nobody wants to pay £200,000 for a sealed copy of Mario 64 for the intrinsic value of the item itself; but people who want to magically turn their money into more money for free certainly do.

he question is, will the house of cards inevitably come crashing down as it has done in previous speculative bubbles, or has our economy reached such a point of self-parody that it really can carry on growing forever, based on the force of nothing but sheer make believe?
>> No. 6440 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:01 pm
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>>6439
Will Beanie Babies make a comeback?
>> No. 6441 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:17 pm
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>>6439

>will the house of cards inevitably come crashing down as it has done in previous speculative bubbles, or has our economy reached such a point of self-parody that it really can carry on growing forever, based on the force of nothing but sheer make believe?

From the ways I have seen people in my 90's JDM car groups talk about how a rusted, non turbo Skyline is worth 20 grand because of the 'prestige of Nissan' then I would say it's definitely the latter.

I think the fact that we're all on the internet, that we're all sat in little groups telling each other that yes, a 1991 MX5 with more rust than metal left on it is actually worth £5k, because they're getting rarer, you know, and besides, I bought one for £4.5k a year ago so they're definitely worth it, obviously. I just don't see how the bubble can burst without external economic influence, not when there's so many echo chambers that can inflate prices without even really realising that's what they're doing.
>> No. 6442 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:27 pm
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>>6438

Same sort of prices as an ape jpg then.

>>6438

There's a small plot-arc in the early episode of Succession where one of the middle-management spends a huge part of his salary on fancy watch for his boss/father-in-law as a birthday gift and it just gets off-handedly used as hush-money for the parents of a child who gets psychologically abused by one of the rich people, for fun.

I'm not trying to attack you all for it, you seem fairly self-aware of the surrounding issues. I'm just thinking out loud here - but to place so much value in an item seems to be just as much a sign that you haven't "made it", not to the top at least. It's a rented pineapple; a fancy car parked outside of a council flat. Again, not meaning to criticise either you or the council house owner for your lot in life, but the way the object is implicitly signalling support for a system that exploits and doesn't value either of you. You both worked or work hard to have the valued object but they're circus participation medals.
>> No. 6443 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:40 pm
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>>6442

No, I know that. It's why I wouldn't buy one. I grew up poor, so owning a Rolex really was something I saw as a huge statement of wealth and success, but as you point out, it's small fry, really. Even in the watch world, in terms of luxury watches, a Rolex is nothing, price wise, compared to a Patek or an AP. And yet you could wear a £230,000 chrono Nautilus and nobody would have a clue. Rolex are perhaps the Dolce or Lambo of watches, they're the ones you buy when you want people to know you've bought them.

But like you say, a used Rolex, most people with full time jobs could buy one, maybe outright, or maybe with a reasonable deposit and a 0% finance deal. But their name alone, at least where I'm from, is what you're really buying. But I don't buy watches because they're expensive. The majority of my collection are Seikos. I like interesting watches, I like well made watches. I will pay a fair bit if those two overlap. I don't plan on selling any, I cringe at the thought of ever flexing any of them, even to other watch nerds.

I genuinely believe there are watch makers, even big names you recognise, even ones owned by the Swatch Group or whoever, who genuinely care about the watches they make, and aren't just doing it for the money. Rolex is certainly not one of those, they are a self perpetuating nightmare of veblen goods, even if their watches are actually made as well as they can be made, it's just not the same thing.
>> No. 6444 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:50 pm
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>>6437

>The price of everything even remotely collectable seems to have shot up in the last decade - classic cars, watches, vintage clothes, all used to be relatively cheap fun for those with particular interests

Just as an example, I saw a Ferrari Testarossa once in a queue in front of me at a car wash, circa 2008. The owner told me he had just bought it the same day, and for just over £40,000. It looked in very good condition. Testarossas were one of the most infamous dream cars of the mid- to late 80s, not just for being on Miami Vice, but because they were the embodiment of 80s ostentation. And no posters of it that you had in your younglad bedroom growing up prepared you for how absurdly low and wide the car is when you are standing right in front of one. But I digress. In 2008, they were cheap as chips in relative terms, and nobody quite wanted them. 40 grand was an absolute steal, considering you were getting a flat-12 supercar Ferrari for your money, at a time when even an upmarket family estate car could be in that price range. Nowadays, a well-kept example of a Testarossa will set you back at least £100K, probably north of £120K for a certified concorso condition one. If it had a celebrity previous owner, we'll be talking silly money altogether.

> but I suppose the advent of get rich quick investment apps and crypto and all that has given us the idea that everything is speculative, everything's going to be worth loads in x amount of years

I'd say it's still the cheap money and expansive monetary policies of central banks. You still get almost no interest on your money if you park it in passive-income financial investments, so people have spent over a decade putting their money in all sorts of other things, whose prices have then gone up based on the laws of supply and demand, and have given investors astronomical returns, which then need to be reinvested and drive up prices all over again. It's now the new norm, as there are still untold sums pouring both into the luxury goods and the property market, because people think the boom will last forever, and because those markets obviously haven't run out of idiots yet who are willing to pay even more for an item than you did.

As bubbles go, they all burst eventually. We saw a sharp drop in property prices and all manner of luxury goods from classic cars to watches following the 2007/2008 meltdown of the global financial system, which goes a long way explaining why a nice Testarossa could be had for 40 grand, and the biggest danger is to assume that that sort of thing can never happen again. The monetary value of most things that have gone up in the current investment bubble is almost entirely subjective, their price tag can be £200K one day and £20K the following week.
>> No. 6445 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:57 pm
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>>6444
>Ferrari Testarossa

I always end up with this stuck in my head when I see its name mentioned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJC1bms0EVo

Then again, I struggle with the fact that Jeff is played by the same person who was Ray Von in Phoenix Nights.
>> No. 6446 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 2:59 pm
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>>6444

>As bubbles go, they all burst eventually

It's a real shame for someone like me, A shed dweller who accidentally now has enough money to buy my dream cars of the 80s and 90s, but simply can't allow myself to buy them at the ludicrous prices they're at now. Even if the bubble does pop, likely by the time it does, the cars will be rare by attrition anyway, and will naturally be more expensive as there's so much less of them.
>> No. 6447 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 3:06 pm
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>>6444
I'm sure this is what's happening to housing. It's the safest investment, so if you have 200 grand spare, you'd be a fool to invest in anything else. This results in me, personally, being specifically fucked over and I will never buy a fancy watch until I have a house first, so I'll leave you to your thread. I always get Sekonda watches because I like the name.
>> No. 6448 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 3:38 pm
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>>6447
House prices have been booming a lot longer than that. In the late 90s it became a lot easier to get a buy-to-let mortgage as the rules were relaxed and there was a large push to get rid of the stigma of being a landlord. The telly was constant property porn, which really fuelled the idea of seeing houses as being an investment rather than somewhere to live. The dot.com bubble and the financial crisis made many very wary about stockmarket investing whereas investing in a property feels safe as it's tangible; BTL also has the advantage of being able to use leverage. There's also the fact that the housing stock doesn't meet our demographics well enough; there's not enough bungalows for our aging population and a lot of family houses have been converted into HMOs to accommodate students and migrants.
>> No. 6449 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 6:51 pm
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>>6448

> The dot.com bubble and the financial crisis made many very wary about stockmarket investing whereas investing in a property feels safe as it's tangible


A lot of it depends on the envisaged time frame of your investment. Few people are in the business of flipping houses the way a lot of people buy and sell stock, but if you are, you can turn a loss on a property you've bought and want to sell soon. And with all the paperwork that comes with buying or selling a house, ordinary people almost without exception are in it for long-term ownership. Occasional market bubble bursts notwithstanding, it's almost impossible to sell a house you've bought for yourself at a loss, because you aren't forced to weather short-term fluctuations in resale value, as many people are who try to earn money with stocks.

Then again, ask somebody who has been living in their humble detached four-bedroom home in central London for decades if they see their house as an investment and if they feel wealthy for owning something that's worth the best part of a million quid on paper.

I'm not sure what's ahead for luxury watches. But when people start offering you completely silly amounts for your classic vintage jewellery or wristwatch, then it can be a sign that the market is topping out. You can only turn a pofit on something that is prone to market value fluctuations if you'll find the bigger idiot. Somebody who is stupid enough to buy the thing off you for more money than you paid. Markets crash when they run out of bigger idiots.
>> No. 6450 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 6:57 pm
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>>6449

>Then again, ask somebody who has been living in their humble detached four-bedroom home in central London for decades if they see their house as an investment and if they feel wealthy for owning something that's worth the best part of a million quid on paper.

Funny one that, because I would. But then, I can imagine to a Londoner the prospect of selling their million quid east-end mansion and moving up north to live in a much bigger house that cost a quarter the price, and living comfortably on the difference, is a lot like if you tell me that I could move to Poland and live like a king.
>> No. 6451 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 10:23 pm
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I shouldn't have looked at replicas. I'm now having to talk myself out of spending ~£250 on a Seamaster.

https://jtimewatch.net/product/seamaster-2018-diver-300m-vsf-11-best-edition-black-ceramic-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a8800/
>> No. 6452 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 1:27 am
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>>6450

>is a lot like if you tell me that I could move to Poland and live like a king.

There are places in some dirt poor shithole countries in Southeast Asia and Oceania where you're the fucking emperor with £25K a year. And you have picture perfect tropical beaches at your doorstep.

>>6451

And what will you tell people when they ask if that's a real Omega.

It's better to shop for a real watch that's in your budget than to pretend you splashed out on a luxury watch that would realistically break your bank.
>> No. 6453 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 1:40 am
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>>6452

>And what will you tell people when they ask if that's a real Omega.

Why can't he just say "yeah"? It's not like people will know. I collect watches and absolutely couldn't tell a replica from a real one, unless perhaps you let me wind it.
>> No. 6454 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 7:44 am
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By the way the real sign you've made it isn't a Rolex, it's how many ovens you have in your kitchen. Two is getting into top tax bracket, three or more is real money.
>> No. 6455 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 8:23 am
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>>6452
>And what will you tell people when they ask if that's a real Omega.

Oh, I wouldn't wear it outside. I don't want to be mugged because people think I'm wearing a Seamaster worth several grand.
>> No. 6456 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 12:53 pm
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>>6454

>it's how many ovens you have in your kitchen. Two is getting into top tax bracket, three or more is real money.

Hardly, when you can get a brand-name built-in oven from Curry's for under 500 quid.

I'd say an elaborate free-standing cooking range by a trusted premium brand name that spans at least five feet in width is the real sign of success. It means that not only were you able to spend over 1,000-2,000 quid or perhaps much more on an appliance, but you have enough room for it in your kitchen, and you have the free time to be a cooking enthusiast, as a cooking range like that is a complete waste of money if you only use your kitchen to reheat take aways after work.

It used to be that the size of your TV screen was a mark of your financial and professional success. Before 40'' TVs could be had for a song and became the insignia of council flat dwelling dolescum smoking fags all day while watching Jeremy Kyle, anything larger than about 30 inches would cost you some very serious money.
>> No. 6457 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 12:58 pm
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>>6456

Yeah, you can get a cheap oven, sure, but have you seen a working man's kitchen? You just wouldn't have the room. Beyond that, you only need two ovens if you have the space, and the social freedom, to entertain. I thought you lot were good at readong too much into class signifiers.

An aga is either old money, or someone who earns less money than I do but wants to pretend like they do, or they recently moved to a village and are leaning into it.
>> No. 6458 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 1:05 pm
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>>6457

>Yeah, you can get a cheap oven, sure, but have you seen a working man's kitchen? You just wouldn't have the room.

I had friends who lived in a two-bedroom rented flat for a while, and although they both had steady jobs, they were hardly top earners. And their kitchen was a bit on the small side. And yet, they had two ovens in it.
>> No. 6459 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 1:38 pm
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>>6458

They probably had won the lottery, but didn't want to tell you.
>> No. 6460 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 3:59 pm
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>>6456

>a cooking range like that is a complete waste of money if you only use your kitchen to reheat take aways after work.

Yes, that's the point. It's important to have all the accoutrements, actually using them is besides the point. The entire middle class lifestyle is built upon having signifiers like this regardless of if you actually have a practical use for them; or indeed, in the Big TV Debate, if you would have a practical use for them, but choose to deny yourself it.

Have you even noticed middle class people hide their washing machine, dishwasher, ironing board, clothes drying rack etc out of the way in a separate room? Normal people have these things out in the open in the kitchen, where they get used, because they are in use regularly. Middle class people prefer to pretend there's magic elves that do it all out of sight and out of mind, because it's undignified to show your guests (and by extension, the world) that you put your own clothes in your own washer, by hand.

Middle class people are scum.
>> No. 6461 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 4:05 pm
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>>6460
Wait... not having your ironing board on view makes you middle class?
>> No. 6462 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 4:19 pm
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>>6460

This post made me laugh. As a working class lad growing up with a few siblings in a busy little terraced house, I remember my mother doing what seemed to be tonnes of washing and folding laundry in the kitchen.

I'm now living in a refurbished flat where the washing machine and dryer are in a separate room. I think it's mainly because of the noise the machines make, but I'd actually agree people are far too precious about this sort of thing. If you're comfortable enough with people to invite them to your house...
>> No. 6463 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 5:27 pm
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>>6461
More importantly, there are two types of people in society: middle-class people, and the entirely different ones, their polar opposites, the "normal" people.
>> No. 6464 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 6:05 pm
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May I recommend this excellent article from 2009 about differences between working class and middle class life in Liverpool.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8223453.stm
>> No. 6465 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 6:26 pm
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>>6464
The food timing thing was a massive shock for me when I got to uni. Teatime for me was always 4.30 or 5, but I was regularly eating an hour or two before anyone else.
>> No. 6466 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 6:46 pm
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>>6464
I always get a tickle out of people identifying as "lower-middle class". It's like "I'm not one of them, honestly".
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5th January 2022
Wednesday 8:13 pm
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>>6466
I usually say that because I grew up fully working class, but it's a but incongruous to claim that now, given I am an additional rate tax payer who lives in a four bedroom detached house.
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5th January 2022
Wednesday 8:59 pm
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Being middle-class is our equivalent of when Americans talk about "white girls". They're everywhere, they're a massive demographic, and yet openly admitting to being one is absolute poison, like being a terrorist or a paedophile. It's ridiculous, but there you go.
>> No. 6469 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 9:21 pm
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>>6468

True enough, but you've got it backwards.

Americans talk about things like "white girls" because, much like their physically and symbolically mutilated cocks, they have had their class consciousness worn down to total numbness.

Truly there is no more a subjugated a people on earth than the American.
>> No. 6470 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 10:32 pm
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>>6469
Yanklad here, and I think I've mentioned before that "working class" over here is more or less only used for minimum wage workers and those living in poverty. It's very rare to hear anyone use the phrases "working class" or "blue collar" without them being disparaging.
>> No. 6471 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 10:38 pm
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>>6466

In fairness the reality is that most "middle class" people really aren't, they're just on the upper end of the wage slave scale and "aspirational" (read: delusional.)

I remember a sociology teacher introducing us to the concept by telling me and my sixth form classsmates that we were all middle class; and looking back, considering the kind of school I went to, either that showed she didn't have the faintest clue what she was on about or she was trying to intentionally brainwash us.
>> No. 6472 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 11:47 pm
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>>6470
Yeah, having lived in your lands for a while, I would like to suggest a translation. Working Class is a bit like Blue Collar, only many people are quite proud of it here. The Middle Class in the UK is kind of posh, and a bit hoity-toity, and very aspirational/acquisitive - not like your Middle Class at all. Most of us are reluctant to identify with that group of people.
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5th January 2022
Wednesday 11:51 pm
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>>6471

>In fairness the reality is that most "middle class" people really aren't, they're just on the upper end of the wage slave scale and "aspirational" (read: delusional.)


My theory is that large segments of the middle classes are in constant fear of social decline, and so they buy all kinds of expensive shit, more often than not on credit, just to assure themselves and others how truly middle class they are. It doesn't take much to fuck up your middle class existence and slip down to a kind of level where you have to move into a shit rented flat and stock shelves in Asda or man the graveyard shift at BP for a living.

True upper class, on the other hand, is above all that. You just know you are upper class and always will be, and the higher up you are, the less you will feel the need to show off your wealth, and just enjoy it quietly. Ostentation is something that the nouveau riche take part in as well as upwardly mobile new millionaires who recently made their fortune in a stroke of luck, but old money that has been wealthy for generations will downplay their wealth and underplay any and all class notions. Because unless you are exceedingly shit with money and gamble away or spend your inherited fortune and alienate all your upper class friends, there's never any real danger of you slipping down the social ladder into middle or lower class. And so you will not feel a big need for insignia to remind yourself that you're still a member of your social class, the way that middle class people do.
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6th January 2022
Thursday 12:11 am
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>>6473

I think the thing with being upper class is even if you're penniless, you're still somehow living a better life than any of us. Free to those who can afford it, and all that.
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6th January 2022
Thursday 1:26 am
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>>6474

>I think the thing with being upper class is even if you're penniless, you're still somehow living a better life than any of us.

That's another thing about upper class. It's at least theoretically possible that you are upper class but don't really have much money as such. It's the kind of environment you are born into and the upbringing you receive that makes you an upper class person. And perhaps knowing fellow upper class people who can somehow hold you over. When you're middle class, your social standing almost entirely depends on your work income. Once you're out of a job for longer periods of time, you run the very real risk of social decline, and it's unlikely that one of your fellow middle class friends will be able to help you out, besides attempting to get you a job at their company.

I read a story once about a second-rate, largely unknown struggling painter in the early 1900s who was born into a family of landed gentry but was an absolutely lazy sod and had almost no money of his own. He was doing illustrations and other occasional contract work to support his wife and kids, who were almost living like paupers. Except they were all enjoying free room and board at a friend's country manor who just liked having them around so that there was a bit of life at his residence. And that friend felt a strange kind of responsibility to keep somebody of his own kind from slipping down the social ladder.
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6th January 2022
Thursday 8:25 pm
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>>6475

That's largely why in those days, painters and musicians and so on often were upper class. It also shaped the market- Many of the renowned classical painters were essentially in service to just one or two wealthy patrons, and what we regard as great works of art today were often just extravagant custom home decor. In only a slightly different timeline we'd have paintings of aristocratic fursonas hanging in the Louvre.

Thing is much the same applied to science and engineering. Pioneers like Antoine Lavoisier only made the discoveries they did because they were wealthy playboy aristocrat nerds who could afford to sit around all day fucking around with their toys, and hang out having the 1700s equivalent of stoned "Dude, what if we're all, like, in a computer, man?" conversations.

They were clever lads, too, don't get me wrong- But it makes you wonder how far we might have progressed if the social hierarchy had been less rigid (obviously it's still far from perfect) earlier on in history. The Romans had at least a notional idea of meritocracy, but feudalism and the early days of the industrial revolution probably squandered a locking people into such rigid lots in life.
>> No. 6477 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 8:53 pm
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>>6476
>That's largely why in those days, painters and musicians and so on often were upper class.

It's also why nowadays, most writers and authors are posh; most make so little money that unless you're already wealthy, you can't make enough to live off.
>> No. 6478 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 8:55 pm
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>>6476

In many ways, it would have been exceedingly difficult in those days to be a lowly wage labourer and also an explorer and natural philosopher. Nowadays, with government instututions and programmes in place that make it more than just theoretically possible for a working class child to go on to become a professor of theoretical physics, it's not immediately obvious that intellectual pursuits, with few exceptions, were the preserve of the wealthy who could afford to do fuck all else all day long. Even Charles Darwin was from a quite well to do upbringing, his father being a banker and financier, and Darwin could afford to just go on a years-long science voyage where he didn't have to work for a living aboard his ship, and had all day to pore over collected specimens and formulate his theories.
>> No. 6479 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 11:40 pm
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>>6475
>When you're middle class, your social standing almost entirely depends on your work income
>Once you're out of a job for longer periods of time, you run the very real risk of social decline

See, there I disagree with your definition of middle class. Having a good or well-paying job alone doesn't make you middle class, it just makes you better off. If you are still dependent on working for your lifestyle, then you're of the working class.

When asked for a definition of middle class, I'll always point to my partner's parents, who each had objectively average jobs (owned a furniture shop, and worked as a personal assistant), but who also own a handful of commercial properties around the city they live in. They retired from their day jobs well before the formal retirement age, and have been living not just comfortably but profitably without lifting a finger except to ring a maintenance guy to fix a door every now and then, and occasionally negotiating a new lease. They're in their mid-60s now and haven't had a care in the world since the mid-2000s, that's what I'd call middle class.

The idea that just getting a higher income elevates you to another social class, I think, is just vanity.
>> No. 6480 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 11:44 pm
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>>6479

>The idea that just getting a higher income elevates you to another social class, I think, is just vanity.

Yet everything you described of the parent's success was down to money.
>> No. 6481 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 11:59 pm
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>>6480
Money, not jobs.
>> No. 6482 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 11:59 pm
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Got one of these today as a present for someone - titanium and kinetic, very lightweight, great for 200 notes.
>> No. 6483 Anonymous
7th January 2022
Friday 12:02 am
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>>6482
And I also got this for myself, which I like very much.

My clock collection is coming along nicely. I have found a source of very very large LED units from China (think the things they use to make the price signs on a petrol station) - ie about 12 inches tall. Gonna make a YUGE version of this.
>> No. 6484 Anonymous
7th January 2022
Friday 1:59 am
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>>6482

Good choice. Nice looking watch.
>> No. 6485 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 10:22 am
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What do you lads think of Spinnaker watches? I was considering getting one for ~£200 when I get a bonus in a couple of months.

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/hunley-woodland-green-sp-5102-03

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/fleuss-lagoon-green-sp-5055-0c

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/hydrofoil-panda-black-sp-5086-11

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/wreck-oxidized-blue-sp-5089-02

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/hull-arctic-blue-sp-5088-02

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/wreck-rust-brown-sp-5089-22

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/croft-mid-size-nomad-sp-5100-02

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/croft-sand-black-sp-5058-05

https://spinnaker-watches.co.uk/collections/all/products/bradner-pacific-blue-sp-5062-22

You can ignore the listed prices because they generally have 25% off at some point.
>> No. 6486 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 3:03 pm
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>>6485

Not really my thing, but you're getting a decent movement at a fair price.
>> No. 6487 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 3:43 pm
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Well, if we're talking clocks i general: feature wise a Junghans Mega Alarm with it's 24h snooze. It's a bank holiday? Hit that button. Took the day off? Hit that button. No need to disable your scheduled alarms, no need to disable noithing. Just tomorrrow no alarm? One button.
>> No. 6488 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 5:12 pm
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Thanks. I really wanted a Geckota C-04, even if it looks a bit like a knock-off Breitling, and I should have picked one up when they were reduced to ~£100 a few months ago but they've now all sold out.
>> No. 6489 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 6:15 pm
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For a while I've been interested in getting a G Gerlach watch which is a Polish brand, I think they've got a bit more character than a lot of the Swiss and Japanese watches available right now, although their website can be a bit clunky.

http://sklep.gerlach.org.pl/index.php?route=product/product&path=82_74&product_id=82
>> No. 6490 Anonymous
8th January 2022
Saturday 6:43 pm
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>>6489
Looks nice, but you'd probably have an £80 customs charge on top thanks to Brexit.
>> No. 6491 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 10:48 am
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This is a Vostok Amphibia - they're Russian and very cheap (under £100).

Rather like the look of them, and slightly surprised it's taken me this long to find nice Russian watches.
>> No. 6492 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 11:03 am
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>>6491
I prefer the look of the Komandirskie, even though it's just your bog standard diver's watch with added cryllic.
>> No. 6493 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 11:21 am
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>>6492

I'd have to go with a K-43. The included leather strap is a bit nasty, but it'd look fantastic with a NATO strap. Subtle cold war chic.
>> No. 6494 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 11:29 am
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>>6493

There seems to be something a bit contradictory about a Russian design with a "NATO" strap...

I'm joking, as I agree it would look good regardless.
>> No. 6495 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 11:35 am
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It's pure ally.

https://charliecharlieone.com/the-meaning-of-ally-allyness-and-allyness-saves-lives/
>> No. 6496 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 11:36 am
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Got to agree, that's a lovely face and a nasty strap. Can't stand leather straps on watches, they fall apart/go stinky/break too easily.
>> No. 6497 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 12:42 pm
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That's because those straps are made of composite leather. They will be layers of materials, of which most won't be real leather. Compared to an expensive leather strap that will made from one solid leather piece.
>> No. 6498 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 2:29 pm
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Amphibias are great, especially for a sub-£100 automatic. I love how customizable they are.
>> No. 6499 Anonymous
15th January 2022
Saturday 9:52 pm
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Love the look of these too and they're quite reasonably priced.

Zalsach. It's a watch for blind people.
>> No. 6500 Anonymous
15th January 2022
Saturday 10:01 pm
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>>6499
They remind me of the puzzles you'd get in a Christmas cracker.
>> No. 6501 Anonymous
17th January 2022
Monday 12:34 pm
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>>6498
This is a CWC SBS - the official watch of the SBS, Marines and Special Forces - waterproof to 300m. Nice looking watch, but not sure it's worth 600 quid more than the Amphibia.

Interesting story in the rags today about a sailor who got caught nicking them from Naval stores and selling them on eBay.
>> No. 6504 Anonymous
4th February 2022
Friday 10:42 pm
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I'd quite like a Casio EFM-100, but they're an older model so they're not easy to find on sale.
>> No. 6505 Anonymous
10th February 2022
Thursday 10:57 pm
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I've started to be annoyed at how inaccurate my automatic watches are. My most accurate one is still about 3 seconds a day fast, which doesn't sound like much, but when I'm at work and trying to time stuff against GPS controlled chronometers, it's beginning to grate on me - I still love a mechanical movement for the engineering feat they are, but at work, I'm constantly reminded of their inaccuracies.

The simple solution would be a radio controlled watch, but I don't want to wear a rubber/plastic G-shock at work, and all the metal Gshocks and also the Citizen radio controlled offerings are far, far too busy for my liking. I'd kill for something like the Promaster Tough, but radio controlled rather than basic eco drive. That's all I really want, accurate, legible, and doesn't look too silly when I dress smart-ish.

The other, much more daunting option is the world of high accuracy quartz. Grand Seiko sounds like a lot of fun, but there's not much chance of me seeing one in real life before I buy it. I could definitely see the appeal of having a watch that's accurate to within ten seconds a year, and most are reportedly much more accurate than even that. The finishing on the couple of GS I've seen in real life are amazing too, but they're not cheap. Nearly 3 grand for their quartz GMT is insane, considering I've never spent more than £1000 on even a swiss mechanical.
>> No. 6506 Anonymous
10th February 2022
Thursday 11:01 pm
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>>6505

I should add that I still don't need a hyper accurate watch, because smartphones exist, but it'd be fun if I could. I think it's the next level of watch nerdery to want "the best" quartz you possibly can get.
>> No. 6507 Anonymous
10th February 2022
Thursday 11:30 pm
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>>6505

The Casio Oceanus T200S ticks all your boxes - solar, radio disciplined, clean dial, elegant case.

It's a Japan-only model, but the radio time system works worldwide and they're readily available to import via Chrono24 or eBay.
>> No. 6508 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 1:11 am
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Casio Unisex Black Resin Strap Watch. £7.99 at Argos.

What say you lads? Do you have a measure of respect for one of the cheapest, no-frills, functional watches on the market?

Personally I think it looks a lot smarter than one of those tacky hunks of metal you get with luxury watches.
>> No. 6509 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 1:29 am
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>>6508

Pleasingly minimalist, but still quite cheap and nasty.

I've got no interest in massive military and diver watches, but a fine dress watch is a thing of joy.
>> No. 6510 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 1:42 am
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My dress watch is a nice Tissot Visodate that my parents got me for my 30th.
>> No. 6511 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 8:48 am
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>>6508

My grandad wore a similar one quite often, so it carries a certain charm for me.

Minimalist is fun, but whatever Casio make their cheapest straps out of is very uncomfortable to me.

Of course most watch nerds will bang on about the F91w if you let them. And rightly so. Watch collecting as a hobby can get a bit out of hand, so having a (less than) ten quid Casio that does everything you could actually want a watch to do, can be quite grounding. Plus Bin Laden had one, so there's celebrity chic there too.
>> No. 6512 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 9:14 am
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I think I marginally prefer the Lorus equivalent for about £16.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8907129

You won't really go too far wrong with a Casio, Lorus, Pulsar or Sekonda watch if you're on a budget.
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11th February 2022
Friday 10:30 am
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>>6510

Pukka.

>>6512

A Timex Weekender is about £40 if you shop around.
>> No. 6514 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 12:54 pm
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>>6505

>The simple solution would be a radio controlled watch, but I don't want to wear a rubber/plastic G-shock at work, and all the metal Gshocks and also the Citizen radio controlled offerings are far, far too busy for my liking. I'd kill for something like the Promaster Tough, but radio controlled rather than basic eco drive. That's all I really want, accurate, legible, and doesn't look too silly when I dress smart-ish

I'm the lad who just recently bought a radio controlled Citizen Promaster Sky Eco Drive CD5000-50L.

After about three months of owning it, I can honestly say it's the best watch I have ever had. It is just a very well made watch and goes with casual wear same as a proper black suit and tie. The Promaster Chronos all have kind of a "busy" dial going on, that's true, but Citizen also have a host of more simple watches that are still radio controlled and eco drive.

Take the CB0010-88L, for example. It still commands its kind of price, but it looks tidier than my Promaster, and honestly, looking at it now, I am feeling tempted to buy one as a second watch the next time I can afford to just blow 260 quid on a watch I don't really need.
>> No. 6515 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 3:57 pm
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>>6514

See this is what frustrates me about Citizen, and all the other japanese watch companies - this watch is exactly what I'm after, yet is not listed on the citizen.co.uk website, or, if it is, it's hidden somewhere that isn't obvious. I get that they make so many watches that they can't market them all, but just give us an obscure website with an official full range catalogue.

They have them on UK amazon so they're not JDM only, either. I'm a little tempted by the pricier titanium version, but either way, thank you, I think you've saved me about two grand.
>> No. 6516 Anonymous
11th February 2022
Friday 5:57 pm
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>>6515

That watch just popped up on a random google search I did for my above post, I had no idea about availability in the UK.

That said, I don't see any reason why you couldn't order a Citizen watch from some mainland European retailer and get the full warranty, just because Citizen don't list that model on their UK web site catalog. There are videos on youtube where people have ordered a Citizen watch directly from a Japanese retailer and still got the complete extended warranty.

It is a handsome watch. I'll make a mental note to get back to it the nex time I've got £260 to spend frivolously.

Don't get a titanium watch, I tried one on at a jeweller's and they feel like a children's toy on your wrist. In any case, not like something you've just spent several hundred quid on and got your money's worth. Even if titanium itself as a case material makes the watch somewhat fancier than stainless steel.
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11th February 2022
Friday 6:06 pm
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11th February 2022
Friday 6:14 pm
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>> No. 6519 Anonymous
27th February 2022
Sunday 11:33 pm
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>>6428
I finally unboxed this last night and wore it out for the first time - attached is the one she got me, albeit with a black strap since I didn't have any watches that aren't gold/brown.

The quality of the manufacturing is staggering, and on this particular piece they chose to layer the artwork by having the foreground be painted onto the inside of the glass with the background on the face. That leads to a really nice effect, since you get the Fresnel reflection from the front of the glass, but only from the exposed parts of the back i.e. where the tiger isn't. They could arguably have done something more impressive with the motion, but the artist waxes lyrical in her vignette about how the theme of the artwork is Henri Rousseau camouflage, so it was an intentional move to bury the numbers.
>> No. 6520 Anonymous
28th February 2022
Monday 1:12 am
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I don't want an Apple Watch because I can't stand the idea of having something that I can't wear all day/night without charging every day (or week). When they get it to a month or so, I might bite.

But I am slightly taken with the vast array of Chinese smart watches that are coming on the market - they are ridiculous cheap - the ones pictured here are just over £20. I'm quite sure they'll be shit, but it's interesting and probably worth a twenty quid aliexpress/banggood punt.
>> No. 6521 Anonymous
28th February 2022
Monday 2:07 am
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>>6520

Don't buy a no-name Apple Watch lookalike, they're nearly all complete shite.

Xiaomi and Huawei do reasonably cheap smartwatches that aren't useless.
>> No. 6522 Anonymous
3rd March 2022
Thursday 7:12 pm
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>>6429

You have finally inspired me to buy a Promaster, but of course being the awkward, picky cunt I am I ended up deciding on a japan only model, the PMV65-2271. I was quite tempted by yours, or at least the black dial version of yours, the CB5010, but one of the reasons I wanted a Promaster sky is because I will actually want to use the UTC dial, as an aviationlad, and having only one marked number on the dial I felt would make it difficult, if not impossible, to read at a glance. I was worried the whole watch would be tough to read, but finally seeing a similar Promaster in real life, this isn't the case at all.

I like the digital display, too - it means I can effectively track three time zones at once, which again is something I will actually, justifiably use. It appears to be the same module as the UK market 'navihawk', which I've always fancied, but IMO this one looks much better all round. Plus it's titanium, which I enjoy. I know titanium watches can feel cheap because of the lightness, I've had a couple before, but ultimately something scratch resistant is the better choice for the environment I'll be using it in.

If I win the customs lottery, it cost about £450. If I don't, it'll probably be closer to £600, but I'll still be quite happy with that price, for a perpetually accurate, tough coated titanium watch. I might even end up using the bezel for statute to nautical mile conversions once in a blue moon, further justifying the frivolous import.

The problem with Citizens, of course, is that they make so many variations, often obscured by the markets they choose to launch them in, that I will inevitably find something else they made that suits me even more. For example, I envy yours for the metal bezel, it looks so much more rugged. They probably make something with the module I want in a case with a metal bezel, but I failed to find it.
>> No. 6523 Anonymous
3rd March 2022
Thursday 9:19 pm
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>>6522

Good on you lad, that's a handsome looking watch.

Citizen have a few of those with the additional LCD display, but for my purposes, it seemed slightly much. I really just need the time and date, and it's nice to also have a stop watch. The alarm is a bonus, although it's a bit tedious setting it, at least on my watch, because say it's 11 pm and you want to set your alarm for 7 am, then the hands have to go all the way round to the desired alarm time, and then when you've set it and go back into time mode, the hands have to travel all the way back to your actual current time.


>but ultimately something scratch resistant is the better choice for the environment I'll be using it in.

Steel watches always seems to be scratch prone, I've also had that problem on numerous Swatch Irony stainless steel watches, and Swatch aren't known to use low-quality steel despite their good overall affordability. I'm sure titanium has its practical advantages, but I just didn't like the light toy watch feel of it, as I've said before. With my Citizen watch now, I tend to take it off when I know I'll be doing something where the watch would be exposed to scratch hazards, e.g. when I'm working on my car or in the shed.

>For example, I envy yours for the metal bezel, it looks so much more rugged.

I've tried to get my head around how you do fuel calculations with it, but so far, I am only using the red mark at the top of it like you would use a dive watch bezel.


But anyway, I'm sure you'll enjoy owning your Promaster. I'm very happy with mine. It hits the spot for me as a watch that's attractive to look at, has a few nifty functions, is rugged enough to wear as a daily beater, and which gets at least a little bit of respect from watch connaisseurs as a halfway serious piece of kit, unlike many fashion watches that cost roughly the same but are far inferior.
>> No. 6524 Anonymous
3rd March 2022
Thursday 10:05 pm
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>>6522
Where do you shop for Japanese only models?
>> No. 6525 Anonymous
4th March 2022
Friday 1:20 am
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>>6522
How is that remotely readable? It's just a jumbled mess of text and markings.
>> No. 6526 Anonymous
4th March 2022
Friday 8:14 am
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It's too busy for me, but I can kind of appreciate it. I imagine it's the type of thing pitched at autists and those who fantasise about joining the TA.
>> No. 6527 Anonymous
4th March 2022
Friday 11:02 am
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>>6523

I'm looking forward to trying it on. I'm starting to think I'm not so much of a watch collector as I am just looking for the "one watch" that can do everything I want it to. This might be it. I'm getting quite bored of having to wind and set automatic watches.

>>6524

I wish I knew. I found this one completely by accident when looking at prices of a different Citizen. For buying, Chrono24.co.uk is an excellent way to buy watches that you already know exist, but I don't think you'd have much luck browsing for JDM models there. I think there's a japan specific watch site, sakura watches or something, but I've not really looked into it.

>>6525

Photos of watches are often quite misleading, in real life the hands and hour markers stand out much more. It's never going to be as legible as a clean, sterile dial, but it's not difficult.

>>6526

I suppose this one in particular is aimed at japanese men who want to pretend to be a pilot, so I can't say you're too far off.
>> No. 6528 Anonymous
4th March 2022
Friday 12:16 pm
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>>6527

>Photos of watches are often quite misleading, in real life the hands and hour markers stand out much more. It's never going to be as legible as a clean, sterile dial, but it's not difficult.


Legibility is key to me as well. I want to be able to tell the time at a split-second glance without much fuss. Especially now that I'm getting to be an oldlad who is increasingly farsighted, too many bits and bobs on a dial and hands that don't instantly stand out just make it difficult to work out what time it is without straining or putting on your reading specs. The CB5000-50L is still instantly legible, mainly thanks to the broad white/lume coloured hands against a darker background with not too much going on. But if you look at watches like the CB5034-58L or the CB5840-59E, their dials are really a bit all over the place, and personally I would struggle to get basic fitness for use out of them.

https://www.citizenwatch.co.uk/promaster-navihawk-a-t-cb5840-59e.html

https://www.citizenwatch.co.uk/promaster-perpetual-chrono-a-t-cb5034-58l.html


Looking at their web site now, I have to say I quite like the
BN0191-55L. Maybe if I'm in the market for a diver watch at some point, that's one I could envision buying.

https://www.citizenwatch.co.uk/promaster-diver-bn0191-55l.html
>> No. 6529 Anonymous
4th March 2022
Friday 4:25 pm
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>>6489
Polski currency has dropped by about 10% recently. If this war carries on you might be able to get a G Gerlach watch much cheaper than usual.
>> No. 6530 Anonymous
5th March 2022
Saturday 8:28 pm
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Think it's worth buying a broken watch and trying to get it repaired? For example:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175178662236

I believe it was around £200 new but they've all sold out.

https://newmarkwatchcompany.com/newmarknp/
>> No. 6531 Anonymous
5th March 2022
Saturday 10:31 pm
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>>6530

Quartz watches are rarely worth repairing, especially in that kind of price range, both new and used. There's also rarely any point tying to fix a broken quartz movement, so it's best to just get a new movement and swap it out.

Your watch apparently had the Seiko VK64 SII movement, which is still available online.

https://perrinwatchparts.com/products/quartz_watch_movement_sii_vk64

$26 isn't bad, and you can't really go wrong with a Seiko movement. Any skilled watchmaker can swap out a quartz movement for you, but with parts and labour and the £23 or more for the watch plus p&p, you're almost going to pay what the watch cost new. Unless these watches are super rare, I would just wait till a working example pops up on eBay. Much less hassle.
>> No. 6533 Anonymous
11th March 2022
Friday 9:17 am
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>> No. 6534 Anonymous
11th March 2022
Friday 1:02 pm
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>>6533

What a smug cunt. I hope someone nicks it.
>> No. 6535 Anonymous
11th March 2022
Friday 7:55 pm
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>>6534

It would be such an easy 20 grand. I don't think I've ever met a watch collector I couldn't just threaten into handing it over.
>> No. 6536 Anonymous
11th March 2022
Friday 8:15 pm
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>>6533

As dive watches go, the basic arrangement on the dial looks as unremarkably pleasant as many others. But I never liked the colour green on a wristwatch.
>> No. 6537 Anonymous
11th March 2022
Friday 8:40 pm
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I think I could make an exception for the new Seamaster.
>> No. 6538 Anonymous
12th March 2022
Saturday 11:03 am
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Do you watchlads have any recommendations for good books on the topic? I'm starting to get fairly enthusiastic about my small-but-growing collection, and a fairly developed idea of my tastes, but it would be nice to have some context.
>> No. 6539 Anonymous
14th March 2022
Monday 7:19 pm
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I made it about a minute in before giving up. YouTube reviewers are weird.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-CD8LyyiM
>> No. 6540 Anonymous
14th March 2022
Monday 9:06 pm
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>>6539

I'd honestly spend 100 quid more and get something like a Seiko 5 instead.

https://www.seikoboutique.co.uk/product/seiko-5-sports-4/

You'll struggle to get respect from watch connoisseurs for buying a watch by a largely unknown brand for 150 quid that tries to look like a Rolex. But Seiko is a highly trusted name with a reputation, which has very good watches in that kind of price range.
>> No. 6541 Anonymous
14th March 2022
Monday 9:31 pm
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>>6540
You can get a Seiko 5 for much less than that. John Lewis had them reduced to £125 around Christmas and they sometimes drop to £140 - £160 on Amazon or H Samuel.

I'm not interested in buying a Dapix watch but I was looking at what they offer earlier, I think having a Romanian watch could appeal to the type of person who likes obscure makes, and it led me to that video. I think he stumbled over almost every word he said.
>> No. 6542 Anonymous
15th March 2022
Tuesday 6:17 pm
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>>6541

I'm still not tempted to buy a mechanical watch in that price range tbh, because any servicing you'll have done will likely exceed the watch's value.

That's true for a quartz watch as well, mind, but with low- to mid-range quartz watches, you kind of accept that they're an instant writeoff the moment you put them on your wrist for the first time. I've had my Citizen Promaster for four months now and it has suffered a few scratches here and there although I always make sure to take it off when I do any kind of manual labour where it might get damaged, but if I really wanted to flog it, I'd be lucky to get 50 to 75 quid for it on eBay, and even then probably only from somebody drunk-buying it on a lonely night in.
>> No. 6543 Anonymous
15th March 2022
Tuesday 8:53 pm
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>>6542
>the watch's value

Value is a subjective measure - I would suggest that one doesn't collect watches for their intrinsic value, although lots do.
>> No. 6544 Anonymous
20th March 2022
Sunday 7:04 pm
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Talking of value - this watch is nice, but I wouldn't pay 32 grand for it.
>> No. 6545 Anonymous
21st March 2022
Monday 12:49 pm
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>>6544

Non-standard dials are always kind of an acquired taste. To me, fitness for use always comes first. Even on an expensive luxury watch. Although I don't think I'd ever pay 32K for a watch to begin with.

Because financial risk from accidental damage also limits fitness for use. For example, you wouldn't use a vintage Ferrari as your everyday beater to do your shopping rounds in. Even if you're in the kind of income (or wealth) bracket where replacing a bumper on your 328 GTS at a licenced dealer is nothing to you.
>> No. 6546 Anonymous
21st March 2022
Monday 8:14 pm
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>>6544
I actually quite like that idea. I'm going to implement it on my smartwatch and see how it is.
>> No. 6547 Anonymous
22nd March 2022
Tuesday 9:38 pm
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>>6546
I've got it on my watch now, albeit without the date ring because it was too busy.

I'm finding myself having to stare at it to read the time, but maybe it'll become easier.
>> No. 6548 Anonymous
22nd March 2022
Tuesday 11:40 pm
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>>6547
That's neat, well done - and yes, I also struggled to actually read the time off it quickly, which is probably a failure.

I can't quite figure out what the smaller dials do.
>> No. 6549 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 1:00 am
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>>6548

>I can't quite figure out what the smaller dials do.

Top left is the seconds, the one at 9oclock is the oil temperature (no, really) and the last one is the day of the week, Saturday and Sunday being marked in orange.
>> No. 6550 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 1:31 am
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>>6549
In my case, I've repurposed the oil temperature dial to battery %.

I have a feeling I won't be sticking with it too long, though. The lack of fixed position for the hours means it really isn't easy to even get used to, as cool as it looks. I think I might experiment with it and put a more traditional clockface on whilst still retaining the moving elements. I enjoy making my own watchfaces, and usually go for railway/public transit inspired (or copied) faces. The entire reason I got a smartwatch was because I wasn't paying £500 for the Mondaine Swiss Rail watch that didn't even have the correct movement.
>> No. 6551 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 7:28 am
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>>6550
>The entire reason I got a smartwatch was because I wasn't paying £500 for the Mondaine Swiss Rail watch that didn't even have the correct movement.

What movement should it have?
>> No. 6552 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 10:23 am
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>>6551
Circular, generally speaking.
>> No. 6553 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 10:27 am
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>>6551

I assume he means the jumping minute hand :



Mondaine do actually make a movement which replicates this called Stop2Go for the watches, now. You can get a quartz version for a couple of hundred.
>> No. 6554 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 5:44 pm
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>>6553
Iirc, the Stop2Go isn't a perfect recreation -- I don't think the minute hand jumps forward. I may be wrong on that. But the s2g was about 400 in 2015 when I first got my smartwatch
>> No. 6555 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 7:02 pm
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>>6554

I was definitely wrong about the price, they do seem to be exactly as expensive as you said, but the movement does at least seem to act like the real one. That's still a lot for what it is, and I'd worry about it needing specialist servicing.

https://youtu.be/LJwPOBoy3V8
>> No. 6556 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 7:39 pm
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>>6555
That's it. The Stop2Go doesn't have a smooth sweep for the second hand, the real thing does. For half a grand, I'd expect that.
>> No. 6557 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 7:47 pm
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>>6553
This conflicts with my Swiss stereotypes. Why does the second hand hang at the top? Surely that means the second hand isn't actually travelling per second, and in fact is ticking every 1.017 seconds?
>> No. 6558 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 8:28 pm
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>>6557
The design was developed in the 1930s, if I remember correctly. The second hand is on a free-running AC motor, and is held at the top until a pulse from a central clock is received. This means that all clocks in a station are synchronised.
>> No. 6559 Anonymous
23rd March 2022
Wednesday 9:14 pm
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>>6556

>For half a grand, I'd expect that.

In fairness, to have a quartz movement with a relatively (for quartz) high beat rate of 4 per second, AND the unique jumping minute/stopping seconds feature, they're doing exceptionally well at that price. A smooth sweep quartz is incredibly power hungry, so I think they probably made it as smooth as is feasible.

Even at twice the price or far beyond, for a basic three hander automatic, you'd usually only be getting an 8 beats per second sweep, which is smoother, but not enough to fool the eye completely. The only real smooth sweep movements are electric, which obviously includes the real rail clocks, but in watch form, I can only think of the Bulova/Accutron electrostatic movement, which come at a considerable premium.

Not saying you should change your mind, by the way. Your smartwatch is definitely the right decision here.
>> No. 6560 Anonymous
26th March 2022
Saturday 4:39 pm
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Lots of scalpers about and kerfuffles breaking out for the launch of the Swatch and Omega collaboration, but I'm fairly certain it's not a limited issue and they'll be launching online next week.

https://www.swatch.com/en-gb/bioceramic-moonswatch.html
>> No. 6561 Anonymous
27th March 2022
Sunday 2:56 am
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>>6560

Swatch have confirmed to many who have asked that it's not in any way limited edition, and they will be making them available at large soon enough.

I think this hype might make them quite hard to come by even in normal production numbers, like we saw with the "casioak" last year.

I really like them, though. If I can ever get the grey one I will. The best thing about this launch though is how many watch "enthusiasts" are thoroughly furious at the idea, saying things like Omega have devalued their "real" speedmaster, or that it's somehow bad to sell a watch at a low price, calling it a "kids watch". All they're doing is proving what we all knew, that they don't actually care about horology at all, just that they have a watch that is identifiably expensive, and now they're worried people will think they have a £200 watch on instead of a £4000 one. Fucking hilarious.
>> No. 6562 Anonymous
27th March 2022
Sunday 6:26 am
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I'm a little on the fence about getting one. I think I'd have to see one in the flesh, which I couldn't be arsed to go to London for, because my concern is that the bioceramic (plastic) crown and pushers do make it look a bit like a Happy Meal toy.

That said, I don't like the pale blue one but the child in me is tempted to own a watch with 'MISSION TO URANUS' engraved on the caseback.
>> No. 6563 Anonymous
27th March 2022
Sunday 12:28 pm
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>>6562
I'm really tempted. My mate has an Apollo 11 50th anniversary Moonwatch in blue, and the Mission to Neptune MoonSwatch looks just like it, albeit 40× cheaper. It's a nice watch and a good opportunity to wind him up.
>> No. 6564 Anonymous
27th March 2022
Sunday 3:36 pm
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>>6563
I'm leaning towards either Earth, Moon or Pluto, possibly even Saturn or Mercury, although it'll most likely be dictated by whatever is in stock.
>> No. 6565 Anonymous
28th March 2022
Monday 3:46 pm
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>>6370
>I haven't worn one in almost twenty years so I don't really know where to start. My budget is up to £150 but I'd probably be happy with something half that price. I'm looking for something simple and respectable looking rather than flashy style over substance, with a preference towards a leather strap and a white face.

I've finally made my mind up and gone for a Seiko 5. Can you lads recommend a different (non-metal) strap for it?
>> No. 6566 Anonymous
28th March 2022
Monday 6:01 pm
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>>6565
I'm a fan of Nato straps, but that watch probably leans a bit towards the smart side so maybe a leather strap would suit it better.
Depends how much you're willing to spend really. If you really want to do a deep dive there's all sorts of boutique brands but you're looking in the range of £50.
You can get cheap ones but the leather is naff and will crack and split in no time at all.

This is a really good place to start:
https://www.watchobsession.co.uk/collections/view-all-watch-straps
>> No. 6567 Anonymous
28th March 2022
Monday 6:03 pm
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>>6566
Ignore what I said about £50 I mean thats a benchmark for a good but not overpriced one. You can easily spend £100 on a really good one. Decent ones probably start around 20-30 and any less than that isnt worth it.
>> No. 6568 Anonymous
29th March 2022
Tuesday 10:19 am
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Thanks, lad. I've seen one with a Nato strap and it definitely didn't look right.

How easy is it to change the strap on a watch? It arrived this morning metal bracelet is too long so I'd need to take some links out of it if I ever wanted to wear it anyway; I bought it from Watch Nation for £95 and they only offer free adjustments when you spend over £100.
>> No. 6569 Anonymous
29th March 2022
Tuesday 10:25 am
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https://www.wikihow.com/Change-a-Watch-Band
https://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Watch-Band-Links
>> No. 6576 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 1:07 pm
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So what do you two think of the new Moon Swatch then?

I think it's pretentious nonsense. For 200 quid, you can get a far better watch from a respected watch company, probably without a chrono function, but still better quality than a Swatch that tries to tell you it's somehow an Omega. And that's not even addressing the huge markup that flippers on eBay are asking right now while the first batch is out of stock.

https://www.swatch.com/en-gb/bioceramic-moonswatch.html

Some youtube reviewers have said that the "bioceramic" case, which is apparently 75 percent mineral and 25 percent castor oil, has a very plasticky feel to it which doesn't strike you as being ceramic at all. The strap's material and stitching is apparently also subpar for a £200 watch.
>> No. 6577 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 1:28 pm
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>Some youtube reviewers have said that the "bioceramic" case, which is apparently 75 percent mineral and 25 percent castor oil, has a very plasticky feel to it which doesn't strike you as being ceramic at all.

Swatch have said all along that bioceramic is a plastic compound, so that shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, I'd have to see them in the flesh because my concern is they look a bit like a Happy Meal toy.
>> No. 6578 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 1:52 pm
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>>6577

>Swatch have said all along that bioceramic is a plastic compound

It's probably some sort of high tech material where loads of research and engineering went into it, but if it's still plastic, at the end of the day, why not call it that. The word "ceramic" sort of elicits wrong ideas about what it really is.

So you then also have to justify asking 200 quid for what is essentially a glorified plastic watch.

You can get a stainless steel Seiko quartz chronograph for less than 200.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiko-Analogue-Japanese-Stainless-SSB377P1/dp/B08DKYKCFT/
>> No. 6579 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 2:03 pm
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It's essentially a portmanteau of "bio-source plastic" and "ceramic". The composite material is two-thirds ceramic powder and one-third plastic derived from castor oil. Again, I'd have to see it in the flesh.
>> No. 6580 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 2:38 pm
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How are you lot at watch, erm, troubleshooting? Probably not watch repair; I doubt I'll do it myself. I have a Sekonda watch which I got for Christmas but it probably cost around £50-£70, and it keeps running slow or stopping. However, I replaced the battery a couple of months ago. Could there be something else wrong with it? I have never had another watch act like the battery's going flat after such a short time.
>> No. 6581 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 3:03 pm
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A mate of mine did his EngD on very similar materials, colloidal particles of minerals and clay dispersed in polymer matrices, though the interest there was for new insulating materials for the national grid. I visited his lab one time and he had me put a small chunk of a sample up against my lip, it was pretty remarkable how much it felt like a proper ceramic mug, despite the relatively low wt. % of rock/mud in it.

All this to say, it's a bit aloof to write off this material as "just plastic", but it's also slightly dishonest of companies to market it as not plastic.
>> No. 6582 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 3:47 pm
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Not much you can do, or should do in terms of repairs to a £70 watch. You could try to find out the caliber it uses, which is probably inexpensive, and then buy it online and have a watchmaker swap it out for you.
>> No. 6583 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 4:13 pm
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If you got it for Christmas is it still in warranty? You could try Sekonda direct. Failing that, Timpsons.
>> No. 6584 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 8:11 pm
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>>6581

>but it's also slightly dishonest of companies to market it as not plastic

I think that was my point. When you think of ceramic, you probably think of all kinds of things from your coffee mug to ceramic brakes or even ceramic dental fillings. It doesn't occur to you that some sort of newfangled plastic can also count as ceramic.
>> No. 6585 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 8:39 pm
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>>6584
>It doesn't occur to you that some sort of newfangled plastic can also count as ceramic.
Because it's not
A plastic filled with bits of ceramic is a composite. Not a "ceramic". It'll have a lot of properties that a plain plastic doesn't, but you'll still be able to burn it or melt it or dissolve it in a solvent.

Misleading marketing is absolutely rampant when it comes to materials because you can easily just slap a (TM) on the end and then no one can sue you for false advertising.
>> No. 6586 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 10:19 pm
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>>6585
>you'll still be able to burn it or melt it or dissolve it in a solvent
Well, you'd be able to burn, melt of dissolve a third of it, since that's how much of it is polyurethane. The remaining 2/3, based on a cursory glance in the literature, is probably silica, which certainly won't burn, melt below 1500 degrees, or dissolve easily in a solvent.
>> No. 6587 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 10:24 pm
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All of which is irrelevant for practical purposes, like a "bulletproof" vest that's only bulletproof in 2/3 of the area it covers.
>> No. 6588 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 10:41 pm
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>>6586

Why didn't they just make the case out of pure ceramic then. If certain ceramics are durable enough to be the brake rotors of high-performance sports cars or be used for dental crowns (I have a tooth-coloured full-ceramic crown on one of my molars that has been in my mouth for over ten years and shows no signs of wear whatsoever), then surely you can make a watch case out of pure ceramics that will last at least as long as Swatch watches normally last.

Swatch's own ETA movements aren't that long lasting, btw. I've had loads of different Swatch quartz watches over the years, probably close to fifteen or twenty, and at some point, they all just started going slow despite brand new batteries. Some worked fine for five or six years before problems occurred, but eventually, they always did. I have no older Swatch quartz watch in my collection that doesn't suffer from this problem.

Swatch watches being service free with no removable back plate besides the battery slot and therefore no real way to get to the movement and give it a clean or an oil-up, it underlines their original stated purpose of being throwaway fashion items. Which is more or less fine when you pay 60-70 quid for one of their entry-level models, but I'm not sure it's forgivable when you expect customers to pay £200. When even the most basic £50 high street fashion watch from other brands is usually rudimentarily serviceable.
>> No. 6589 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 10:44 pm
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>>6587

This is a wild digression, but that is pretty much how modern "bulletproof" vests work. Ballistic vests used to be massive bulky contraptions that tried to cover your entire torso in layers of Kevlar fabric. It turned out to be much more effective to bin the kevlar and use a smaller rigid plate that just protects the vital organs.

Getting shot in the shoulder is no fun at all, but it's better than having to waddle around a battlefield like the Michelin man. A bulletproof vest seems like the last thing you'd apply a "less is more" philosophy to, but extra protection just isn't worth the extra weight and bulk.
>> No. 6590 Anonymous
12th April 2022
Tuesday 11:03 pm
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>>6587
Certainly, yes, you'll fuck up your MoonSwatch if you leave it in a puddle of acetone.

>>6588
In this case, because machining ceramics is difficult and expensive. A composite like the bioceramic™ can be moulded like a polymer, and the ceramic component boosts its hardness up enough that they can do a final lapping/polish on it for a nice finish that you wouldn't be able to achieve with pure polymer, with the further added bonus that it doesn't have the brittleness of pure ceramic.

Ceramic watch cases do exist, you can get a ceramic Moonwatch, but in this case they probably wanted to put a Swatch flair on it, being that they're a brand best known for cheap plastic watches. You do also have to be careful of what Actual Masters lad mentioned, that something saying it's made of ceramic could mean any manner of things, including a polymer-ceramic composite.
>> No. 6591 Anonymous
13th April 2022
Wednesday 2:49 pm
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>>6589
This provoked me into spending an hour reading about modern body armour. Interesting stuff, US soldiers in the late-noughties were suited up like knights.
>> No. 6592 Anonymous
13th April 2022
Wednesday 3:01 pm
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>>6591

I suspect if I were a soldier, the one thing I'd really want is a bullet proof jockstrap.

I don't mind the idea of taking a bullet through the leg, arm, or shoulder, as long as my vitals are protected. But I'd rather be killed than shot through the bollocks.
>> No. 6593 Anonymous
13th April 2022
Wednesday 5:14 pm
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>>6592

British soldiers in Afghanistan were issued with ballistic groin protection, but it wasn't to stop you from getting your bollocks shot off. The problem was land mines and IEDs. Getting your legs blown off is highly survivable, because you can stop the bleeding almost immediately with a tourniquet. Getting shrapnel in the groin has a very high fatality rate, because if your femoral artery is severed you'll bleed out in a few minutes.

The pelvic protection system was reasonably effective when actually worn, but nobody liked wearing it because it chafed the fuck out of your thighs.
>> No. 6594 Anonymous
13th April 2022
Wednesday 6:47 pm
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>>6586
>Well, you'd be able to burn, melt of dissolve a third of it, since that's how much of it is polyurethane.
And you definitely wouldn't have anything that resembled a watch at the end of it.

>>6588
>Why didn't they just make the case out of pure ceramic then.
Because it's obscenely expensive. Simple shapes like rings and discs can be reasonably cheap to make out of ceramic so often features such as the Bezel inserts on dive watches will be made out of ceramic on higher-end watches, but to make an entire case out of ceramic is mental. Ceramic is also one of those things where it's cheap if you're making the same shape in thousands or millions, but not if you're making small quantities, for example your kitchen tap probably has a few little ceramic washers in, and it's cheap as fuck because there's only a handful of different types of those washers for every single tap sold around the entire world. The same applies to watches, something like the ring in a bezel usually wont be made in house by the watch maker, they'll order it from another company that's making them in huge quantities who can just take a standard sized ring off the shelf and machine in whatever lettering and profile is wanted.

As >>6590 says there are brands like omega making ceramic watch cases in the multi-thousand pound range. It can work if the company is big enough to put in a massive investment in tooling to produce near-net-shape blanks that need a minimum of machining and polishing to reach the end result, but producing those sorts of complex ceramic shapes in small quantities doesn't make any sense at all unless you're already selling money-is-no-object monstrosities for footballers and oligarchs.
>> No. 6595 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 12:04 am
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My full-ceramic crown on one of my back teeth cost me close to 500 quid ten years ago. A gold one probably would have cost around 150 to 200. I was told that the production process of ceramic crowns is very intricate and time consuming, or something. Apparently the main constituent minerals cost pennies in that kind of quantity, but turning them into something that looks identical to your teeth isn't that straightforward.
>> No. 6596 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 12:30 am
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At 10 years ago, it would have either been made by hand by a dental tech meticulously filing a piece of porcelain to the right shape, then probably sand blasted smooth at various grits until it was nice and shiny, or it might have been made by CAD/CAM. The latter would obviously be cheaper, but I'm not sure by how much, considering the bits in the machine need to be diamond coated.

There's no wonder that a lot of the research on composites of ceramic powder and castor oil-derived polyurethane was done by dentists, it would be a real life saver if they could just have you chomp down on a mould and then pour a two-part mix in, pop it out and clean it up.

>>6594
I was surprised to see that Nixon, the fine purveyor of watches for fans of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, have a watch with a ceramic band.
>> No. 6597 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 12:02 pm
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>>6596

AFAIK the process in widespread use is based on sintering. The old analogue process was basically lost wax - cast an impression, hand-carve a wax model of the restoration, create an investment mould, burn out the wax and inject the ceramic into the mould using a high pressure furnace.

The more modern approach is based on 3D scanning of the patient and 5-axis milling of partially-sintered ceramic blocks that undergo a final firing to achieve full mechanical properties.

The advantage of the CAD/CAM approach is a reduction in laboratory labour and improvements in lead times. Rather than sending an impression off to the lab and bringing the patient back in when the restoration is ready, the whole process can be completed with the patient still in the chair. The disadvantage is capital costs rather than running costs - the burrs and ceramic blanks aren't particularly expensive, but you're looking at spending close to six figures for the equipment, software and training.
>> No. 6598 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 2:47 pm
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I've got an email from Christopher Ward about their latest collection. Do they change their logo almost every year? They can't seem to make their minds up.
>> No. 6599 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 7:29 pm
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>>6598

I'm glad they seem to be dropping the awful plain text logo of the name.
>> No. 6600 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 8:26 pm
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The old logos were smart and sophisticated.

I remember when they switched to the plain text "christopher ward", and the marketing guff at the time of the change was basically "As a British watch company its very important that our logo says something about the company so we're switching the font to helvetica because it's Swiss".
I'd been eyeing up getting a trident for ages, then they did that and it put me right off them.
>> No. 6601 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 9:50 pm
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IIRC, they had to change from the original because they were threatened with legal action.
>> No. 6602 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 10:03 pm
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>>6600

>I'd been eyeing up getting a trident for ages, then they did that

Yep, the trident c60 might be as close to a 'perfect' dive watch for me as you can get, except that plain text logo. The older "Chr.Ward" text was much better, I don't know who on earth decided the new text was better. It looks like when people get their names printed on their pens and stuff, by cheap eBay sellers.
>> No. 6603 Anonymous
21st April 2022
Thursday 10:20 pm
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Actually wait that new logo is just the swiss fucking flag.
Its made in switzerland the same as nearly every other fucking watch on the market, the point of the brand is meant to be that the designers are in London, how does it make sense to use switzerland as a selling point
>> No. 6604 Anonymous
22nd April 2022
Friday 1:04 am
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It's an attempt to jam a Swiss and English flag side by side, the designer's website confirms:
https://www.01134.co.uk/christopher-ward/

They also won a D&AD Wood Pencil award for the rebrand.
>> No. 6605 Anonymous
23rd April 2022
Saturday 8:04 pm
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If the leaks are to be believed, Seiko are launching GMT versions of the 5 Sports watches later this year.
>> No. 6606 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 7:53 pm
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The Mrs is lusting after a ladies Yachtmaster for just over 4 grand, with box & papers.
Half of me is screaming 'it's a fucking watch', the other half thinks it's possibly not a terrible idea, partly based on you lots' ramblings. It's her money, I've done worse over the years.
Any advice?
Not the actual watch.
>> No. 6607 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 8:04 pm
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>>6606

If you can just blow four grand on a watch, then you're not pissing it up the wall with a Rolex, either new or in good condition.

Then again, like a luxury car, it will only keep its value with regular authorised service, so it's a gift that keeps on taking.

There are plenty of other highly respected watchmakers that sell similar watches for half. Rolex does offer impeccable quality, but you still also pay for the name. Which, in the case of Rolex, also still comes with its fair share of implied ostentation. Brands like Omega or Breitling have similar weight in the watch enthusiast world, but the average person spotting one of their watches on your wife's wrist will have much less of an idea what you paid for it.
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25th April 2022
Monday 8:39 pm
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Has she shown interest in watches before? Try and convince her to get a Di Renzo watch instead:-

https://direnzowatches.com/drz-05/
>> No. 6609 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 9:04 pm
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She's been trying to get me to buy one for ages, but I'm immune to the brand, and am still very happy with my aging traser lump, even though the tritium's wearing out before the clockwork. I've never had a watch last this long before, and it's my first with proper sapphire, which has taken a stupid amount of abuse without scratching at all. I also have many other things I'd want to buy before spending that much on a watch, investment or no.
That Di Renzo is quite nice.
>> No. 6610 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 9:34 pm
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>>6609
I'm with you, Rolex doesn't really do anything for me. It's purely a status symbol.

>That Di Renzo is quite nice.

It reminds me of the G. Gerlach navigator posted earlier in the thread by someone else. I'll probably get a navigator as my next watch, although I'm worried there'll be a hefty customs bill thanks to Brexit, because I don't think I'll have the budget for the Second Hour giant stride when that is back in stock.
>> No. 6611 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 8:30 pm
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>>6606

If you can afford it (and I highly doubt either of you would be considering it if you could not), then a Rolex is never a bad purchase, though you are almost definitely buying at the top of the market right now. Having said that, the ladies pieces will invariably keep a more stable price than the more popular men's offerings, so I wouldn't be that worried.

They do need to be serviced and they will have you over a barrel for that, but in theory this needs to be done perhaps once a decade.

As others say, you can perhaps get a LOT more watch for 4 grand, especially in ladies sizes, from lesser known companies, though honestly they will likely not retain their value like a yaughty would, though if she has no intention of selling it, I suppose that's irrelevant.

We've already had the Rolex debate so I won't rehash it - if she wants this watch, she wants this watch, and Rolex are by no means bad watchmakers, indeed they are excellent, but the name does add a fair bit to the cost of it - this is either a good thing or a bad thing, and is entirely dependent on your own philosophy.
>> No. 6612 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:11 pm
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Can you lads recommend a suggest and relatively inexpensive watch maintenance kit? It's more for changing straps and removing links than anything.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Repair-Eventronic-Professional-Spring-Carrying/dp/B071P7B672/
>> No. 6613 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:56 pm
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>>6612

If you just need a bracelet pin remover, try Cousins.

https://www.cousinsuk.com/category/bracelet-adjusting-tools
>> No. 6614 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:00 pm
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>>6612

That one seems fine enough. The one I got a year or so ago :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01M7RJXEE

Is also adequate, it has done a surprising amount of jobs over that time.

The one issue I'd have with the one you linked, is that it doesn't appear to provide any spare pins for the link remover tool thingy - this to me is a must, as you WILL bend that pin eventually.
>> No. 6615 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 11:40 pm
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The lad at the till at Asda the other day was wearing pic related Boss chronograph.

It may be overpriced junk from an enthusiast's point of view, but I have to say visually, they did well with that one. Although it wore a little big on teenlad's wrist.
>> No. 6616 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 6:36 am
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>>6615
The last time I got told I smell nice was when I'd ran out of deodorant and had to borrow my son's Lynx. People are fairly simple creatures; if it looks good or it smells good that's all there has to be to it.

All that really matters is whether you're happy with it, unless you're doing it for validation. Most people aren't watch enthusiasts and a number of those act like serious collecting means blowing tens thousands premium brands. I'd rather have a G-Shock than an AP Royal Oak.
>> No. 6617 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 10:25 am
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>>6616

Absolutely. This ties in to the "does mcdonalds taste nice" debate too. Everything people like on instinct is engineered to appeal to as many people as possible.
I think hobbyists and collectors can lose sight of this fact pretty quickly. I was on a fragrance enthusiasts forum the other day, trying to find some info on a gift for someone, but anyway, their whole entire deal seems to just be that they're confused that 'basic' and 'common' aftershaves like One Million always get compliments, where their expensive muskrat secretion, limited edition designer bottle does not. Even on the high end, they lament, it is only the flagship, the most basic offering that everyone likes.

I think once you decide to define yourself as a collector of anything you tend to start to look for the niches, the weird extremes, to make it your own. Which is understable, but when it comes to fashion accessories like watches and aftershave, wondering why everyone just wants you to wear Aventus and everyone on earth can spot a Submariner on your wrist, but not a JLC worth ten times the price.

I'll admit I learned this the hard way, years ago when I was in my mid twenties, I bought a Tudor Pelagos. I stomped off to work in it, and spent the entire day being disappointed that not one person noticed my extravagant display of wealth. I was desperate for people to aknowledge I had three and a half grand on my wrist, and realised that I had bought it for all the wrong reasons. I returned it within the week.

Now I'm in my thirties, wear a £400 Citizen to work, and people notice it all the time, because it's not a weird, minimalist dive watch that you have to explain the backstory of. But conversely I am really starting to wish I had a Pelagos again because it was the most practical, legible and forward thinking luxury diver I've seen, and the fact nobody would know what it is, is a massive plus to me now.

Like you say, If i really wanted my watch choice to draw attention, a G-Shock in a wild colourway is the obvious choice. And you don't have to insure it, worry about it, or baby it.
>> No. 6620 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 3:03 pm
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I am a complete watch noob and after browsing the Citizen website I've found this, which I love the look of. Is it any good?

https://www.citizenwatch.co.uk/ca0805-53x.html
>> No. 6621 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 3:13 pm
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>>6620
I'm not really a fan of chronographs, but you won't go too far wrong with Citizen. You can get similar watches, without the camo, for a fair bit less. For example:

https://www.hsamuel.co.uk/webstore/d/1053957/

https://www.hsamuel.co.uk/webstore/d/1686704/
>> No. 6622 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 4:25 pm
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>>6620

Citizen Promaster watches in the sub-£500 category, including the Nighthawks, enjoy a very good reputation in terms of technology and value for money. They're not as highly regarded as Seiko by watch enthusiasts, but they are still a good choice.

If 380 quid is your budget though, I would look for a radio controlled model on sale somewhere. I bought the CB5000-50L last November and paid around £330 for it, and that feature is really nice to have. Also, I would always go for a sapphire crystal. Not saying a mineral crystal is a bad choice as such, but sapphire just gives you that extra bit of scratch resistance.
>> No. 6628 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 10:31 am
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Do you reckon Discovery Japan is legit? There's a few watches on there I've got my eye on.

https://www.discovery-japan.me/category/select/pid/17346/

https://www.discovery-japan.me/category/select/pid/17344/
>> No. 6629 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 10:56 am
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>>6628

I haven't used them personally but I plan to - I know they're adverts, but both Techmoan and Just One More Watch have endorsed them in the past, which to me feels like a good sign.
>> No. 6630 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 11:23 am
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What's the finacial incentive to collect watches? Rarity and resale to enthusiasts? Besides fine craftmanship I can't tell what's actually valuable about them.

>>6621
>Super effective on water-type!!
Puts me in mind of the sort of thing you'd find in a arcade penny pusher.
>> No. 6631 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 12:05 pm
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>>6630
I just like watches/clocks and don't intend to resell any of them. The value is personal.
>> No. 6632 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 12:56 pm
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>>6628

Pikachu is rubbish though. If they had a Charizard or Kadabra one I'd be interested.
>> No. 6633 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 1:30 pm
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They made chronographs for the Kanto starters, but they're too garish for me. The nicest looking one is the Eevee watch, but I'm not enough of a ponce for that.
>> No. 6634 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 3:31 pm
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If I could commission a couple of watches with a fat Lopunny on them I could bilk you pair for tens, if not dozens, of pounds.
>> No. 6635 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 3:35 pm
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>>6633

Agreed. And red is not a good dial colour in most cases.
>> No. 6636 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 4:21 pm
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>>6634
Is Etsy not full of people hamfistedly painting bespoke watch dials and hands?
>> No. 6637 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 6:30 pm
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Watch kit came today so I could finally start playing around with my Seiko 5.

The first thing I did was remove the pin from the clasp, which flew fuck knows where due to the spring mechanism, so I had better access to the back of the case. Played around with the links to make sure I could adjust them if need be before putting them back on and removing the metal bracelet; only bent one pin and blunted the fork end of the spring bar tool along the way. At least putting on the new strap was a piece of piss.
>> No. 6638 Anonymous
6th May 2022
Friday 6:21 pm
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Got an email from Dan Henry to say their latest watch, the 1945, will be launching 5pm on Thursday.
>> No. 6639 Anonymous
6th May 2022
Friday 7:19 pm
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>>6638
Missed a trick by not waiting until 7:45.
>> No. 6640 Anonymous
6th May 2022
Friday 7:42 pm
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>>6639
They're an American brand, so most of their audience will be unfamiliar with 24 hour clocks.
>> No. 6641 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 2:53 pm
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The more I watch videos on youtube by watch dealers and self-proclaimed experts and aficionados, the more I wonder what the real appeal of mechanical watches is to those who prefer them over quartz.

To me, it just seems almost unreasonable to potentially spend loads more money on a watch technology that even at the best of times will be off by two minutes a month. I do understand the fascination of having a fully mechanical timepiece, but why go through the trouble of buying a relatively inaccurate technology that also needs somewhat frequent servicing to maintain even that limited accuracy, when you can have a much more worry free, less expensive and more accurate quartz watch.

I'm absolutely loving my radio-controlled Citizen Promaster quartz watch which I bought last November. It's pin-point accuracy was a huge selling point to me and it still is, and I couldn't imagine trading it in for a mechanical watch.
>> No. 6642 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 3:16 pm
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>>6641

I sort of get it, and sort of don't. I really, really like the intricacies of a tiny clockwork machine, and I do understand the appeal of owning something fully mechanical. If you're into 'watches' as a concept, then logically you'd want to own the heritage too.

But on the other hand, quartz is just as much a part of watch history. We're at the stage still where quartz is seen by 'horologists' as an evil, corporate invention that ruined the magic of watches, but actually it's a fantastic, ingenious technology that massively improved the accuracy and affordability of watches, and more than likely quartz is the only reason watches survived the digital age at all. I think in 10 to 15 years, 90s quartz will but just as revered.

Not to mention that although quartz is seen as this cheap, mass produced thing, it's not like the Seiko NH35 or the ETA 2824 (or Sellita SW200) isn't the heartbeat of 80% of the watches that enthusiasts bleat about anyway - any 'hand made' movement is expensive enough to be entirely out of reach to almost anyone anyway.

For me, I like quartz/radio controlled for work when I'm actually doing the part of my job that requires relatively precise timing, but I will never not enjoy staring at the tick of my Oris Aquis outside of work. But I think Oris is about as expensive as I'd ever go now. It's still a ludicrous price for a watch, but £700 for it second hand is very reasonable for a swiss diver in this mental hobby.
>> No. 6643 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 3:21 pm
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>>6641

Same reason people still listen to vinyl records or drive classic cars I'd imagine.

There's an intangible pleasure that goes beyond the immediate functional purpose and objective qualities of the thing itself, which is often even more important, when you really think about it, than the strictly rational reasons for owning a thing or performing an activity. We are not rational creatures, we are much more emotionally and symbolically driven than we like to think.

Zizek calls it "surplus enjoyment", I seem to recall.
>> No. 6644 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 7:25 pm
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>>6641
I think that goes for any hobby. There'll always be those who take it too far or disappear up their own arseholes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZK8Z8hulFg

I like automatic watches because I like the way you can watch the movement spin around through the back.
>> No. 6645 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 10:11 pm
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>>6643

>Same reason people still listen to vinyl records or drive classic cars I'd imagine.

Quartzlad again here. While I was a complete convert to MP3s as soon as Napster came along and never looked back, classic cars are different from watches to me. Because even a 60 year old car can reliably get you from A to B. It may rattle and squeak a little more than your Tesla or late-model VW Golf, but basic fitness for use isn't limited by the fact that a 1960s car had a carburettor and drum brakes.

Whereas a mechanical watch has its fitness for use at least somewhat limited by the fact that it's only moderately inaccurate. Even the most basic Swatch watches I've owned were usually off by no more than 15 seconds per month, and some mechanical watches costing considerable money can almost manage that in a day. Which essentially means that it won't even show midnight accurately on the same day that you've last set it.


>>6642

>For me, I like quartz/radio controlled for work when I'm actually doing the part of my job that requires relatively precise timing

I was at my orthopedist's the other day and I noticed that he had an expensive looking mechanical watch on his wrist. I was unable to make out the brand and was afraid to ask because he seemed in kind of a hurry while he was seeing me. But it struck me as a bit noteworthy that somebody heading a visibly very busy doctor's office didn't seem to see the need to have a watch that allowed him to keep precise time.
>> No. 6646 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 10:32 pm
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>>6645
How often, really, do you need to know the precise time to the second? As much as it's frustrating because there is a precisely correct time, the world simply doesn't work that way.
>> No. 6647 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 10:41 pm
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>>6646
He's got to rationalise his radio-controlled Citizen Promaster quartz watch somehow.
>> No. 6648 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 11:11 pm
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>>6647

Don't need to. Hands down the best watch I've ever had.
>> No. 6649 Anonymous
8th May 2022
Sunday 11:25 pm
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>>6645

To be clear, I work in aviation. I don't 'need' my watch to be any more accurate than a couple of minutes either way in reality, because my planes have ACARS and GPS so will always report accurate time themselves. By having an atomic controlled watch, I can save the occasional hassle of having to change a report slightly when the planes time disagrees with me or one of my dispatchers or controllers.

I think anyone who actually needs millisecond accuracy already has a far more reliable timing system, and then maybe a casio as backup. Diving I suppose is the most obvious example, who on earth is using their Submariner for compression timings when dive computers exist?
>> No. 6650 Anonymous
9th May 2022
Monday 12:25 am
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>who on earth is using their Submariner for compression timings when dive computers exist?

There was a time when your life near enough depended on a reliable dive watch during decompression, but those days are clearly behind us. And Rolex as such from its beginnings actually had a strong toolwatch tradition.

I read an article a while ago which argued that the need for a wristwatch as such has never been as small as today with all the many other ways of reliable time telling that are all around us all the time, but that at the same time, the demand for well-made watches has never been as high as nowadays.

It was probably vital to have a good timepiece on your wrist in a trench in WWII or on board a bomber, or indeed as a diver and probably in a whole host of other professions, but even the lowliest office worker today has a system time in the bottom right corner of their computer screen. Even supermarket tills show the time on their screens.

In that respect, maybe wristwatches are an obsolete piece of technology altogether, quartz and mechanical alike. But a handsome looking watch to me is still a statement.
>> No. 6651 Anonymous
9th May 2022
Monday 1:02 am
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>>6650

>It was probably vital to have a good timepiece on your wrist in a trench in WWII or on board a bomber

Lots of attacks and manoeuvres went awry precisely because of poor timekeeping. Officers would have a reliable watch, but what was vital is that they synchronised them with each other, and with operations on as large a scale as those, they often didn't get chance or didn't bother.

By WW2 radios were more common so it wasn't as big of a problem, but there were cases in WW1 where battalions started their attacks as much as ten minutes out of sync, which you can imagine the consequences of. Battles in those days were planned to a timetable, because there was no way of keeping in contact with command once the fighting had kicked off. You start charging over the top under the assumption your artillery has already moved forward, or that the other lot supporting your flanks are already on their way to back you up, except your watch was five minutes early.
>> No. 6652 Anonymous
9th May 2022
Monday 1:26 am
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>>6650

I think a lot of people, well, men, forget or refuse to acknowledge that a watch is jewellery. It's got a bit of functionality, a bit of mechanical intrigue built in, because plenty of men would reject entirely a wrist adornment that does nothing but just look nice. But a watch ticks and tells the time, so it's not frivolous - it's a tool! How much we choose to pay for that tool is where the rabbit hole starts, but I feel like that's the basic idea, it's why watch marketing is nearly always what environment the watch is supposed to be built for - diving watches, pilots watches, the Rolex Explorer II is for cave exploring - thats the idea they're selling us. Tools for different applications.
>> No. 6653 Anonymous
9th May 2022
Monday 11:40 pm
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>>6652

It's about selling a lifestyle. I'm willing to bet that very few people who spend considerable money on a dive watch will actually ever use it for its intended purpose. It's probably the same with pilot or flieger watches. I know I'm not a pilot, and never will be, but I like the idea that my Promaster was conceived as a pilot watch, and that Promasters actually enjoy some amount of recognition in the aviation world, at least in the sub-£500 category. The idea is that you've got a piece of kit that's associated with adventure. With something that is more than your humdrum day-to-day life. And even if it's "just" a dress watch, that, too, can sell a lifestyle.

A bit like loads of people who drive a 4x4 but will probably never actually take it offroading. It's about pretending to yourself that you're partaking in some sort of rugged, adventurous lifestyle, when you're really anything but, and your 4x4 is really just a glorified people carrier in daily life.
>> No. 6654 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 6:28 am
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>>6653
Are you really sure you're not trying to justify your purchase? You sound like you're trying to convince yourself more than the rest of us.
>> No. 6655 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 7:32 am
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>>6653

Rolex still make the Milgauss. Even back in the day, there were perhaps a few dozen people in the world who needed a watch that could withstand high magnetic fields. Still, there's something delightful about wearing a piece of precision engineering that was specifically made for a handful of scientists and engineers who worked on particle accelerators or hydroelectric generators in the days before quartz.

Manufactured objects have functional and aesthetic value, but they also have narrative value. There is a story behind their creation that says something about the people who created it and the world it was created into.

The Toyota GR Yaris is a very fast hatchback, but there are lots of very fast hatchbacks in the world. The GR Yaris is a homologation special, a production car made for the sole purpose of subverting the rules of motorsport. You say we need to base our competition car on an ordinary production car? Fine, we'll build a production car that was designed from the ground up to be a good base for a competition car, even if we lose money on every unit.

That's a totally absurd reason for something to exist, but it's also profoundly meaningful. You can drive to the shops in something that speaks to the fundamental oddness of human nature. A homologation special is a completely pointless waste of effort and ingenuity, but so is a song or a novel or a painting.
>> No. 6656 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 10:33 am
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>>6654

Lad. 330 quid was not a financially crippling purchase to me that I need to go around justifying to random people on .gs.

>>6655

Homologation cars have been hit and miss in the past. The Renault 5 Turbo was an absolute beast of a car, as were the Peugeot 205 T16 and the Audi S1 Sport Quattro. But at times, homologations were less exciting cars, such as the Audi Quattro Competition, which was a homologation of Audi's 1994 STW championship entry. It had a two-litre, 140-hp 16V engine. A good friend in the Netherlands had one a few years ago, and it was very sluggish at lower revs with the permanent all-wheel drive and really only came into its own between 3500 and 5000 rpm, which meant that for daily driving, you were almost better off getting a bog standard Audi 80 2.0E which the Quattro Competition was based on.
>> No. 6657 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 1:32 pm
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>>6656
>Lad. 330 quid was not a financially crippling purchase to me that I need to go around justifying to random people on .gs.

Yet here we are. Did someone say your Nighthawk looks like it came out of a Kinder egg and it hurt your feelings?
>> No. 6658 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 2:14 pm
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My last watch was a Casio F-91W. I've gone through at least three of them. Real good value for money. I got a Tissot Sea Touch for my 18th many moons ago, but it needs a battery change and a new strap (original strap was too big for my weedy wrists so had to be altered, but now my current grown man wrist is too beefy). I imagine the cost of new battery and new strap would be much higher than using a series of Casios.
>> No. 6659 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 2:20 pm
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>>6658
You can get watch straps fairly cheaply. Geckota always seem to have something on sale:

https://www.watchgecko.com/other/special-offers
>> No. 6660 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 3:04 pm
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>>6657

It's not a Nighthawk. Not that it's probably of any relevance to you. Nighthawks, while also part of the Promaster Sky range, all have black or dark grey dials, and often some additional features that are geared to aviation, like dual time zone displays. My dial is blue.
>> No. 6661 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 3:10 pm
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>>6660
One of the Blue Angels watches?
>> No. 6662 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 3:35 pm
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>>6661

The Blue Angels ones generally also have black dials. They're pretty nifty watches, but they've just got too much going on on their dials. I wanted a watch with instant split-second legibility, and the Nighthawks and Blue Angels dials are usually just too busy for that. My CB5000-50L also has a lot going on, but it's still very legible.
>> No. 6663 Anonymous
10th May 2022
Tuesday 5:58 pm
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>>6653

I'm not sure I've ever seen a pilot actually wear a pilots watch. There's a great many functions on them that just don't make that much sense for a commercial pilot, certainly not short and mid haul ones like I work with.

World time? Who cares, you're on the ground for an hour, and the entire aviation industry uses UTC time. Chronograph, countdown/count up functions? If between your flight instrument panels, your kneeboard (aka iPad) your phone, and so on, you can't find a working timer, then you have bigger problems. Slide rule? If a modern airliner pilot is in a situation in which they need a slide rule, the microscopic one on their wrist will likely be unsuitable for the task. And if I ever saw a pilot on the ground trying to earnestly calculate their specific fuel weight with their watch, I'd get them sectioned.

All this to say that I like this style of pilots watches, but I suspect they're only called pilots watches because that sounds cool to the majority of people who do not realise that pilots are deeply uncool.
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10th May 2022
Tuesday 7:24 pm
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>>6663

A lot of GA pilots have been buying Garmin D2s, but that's more of a smartwatch that happens to be a backup navigation system.

A pilot's watch might have been genuinely useful item back in the 60s, but it's pretty much just wrist bling now.
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10th May 2022
Tuesday 11:36 pm
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>>6664

>A pilot's watch might have been genuinely useful item back in the 60s, but it's pretty much just wrist bling now.

It's hard to think of any profession where a toolwatch designed for that profession is still essential nowadays.

That said, the Breitling Navitimer is still touted as being AOPA certified.
>> No. 6666 Anonymous
11th May 2022
Wednesday 6:26 am
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>>6665

I don't think any watch could be considered essential to a job now, let alone one designed for a specific profession.

I suppose if you want to get technical, the wristwatch as we know it (I'm conspicuously ignoring the decades of bracelet watches preceding this) was designed for soldiers to wear to war, and a modern soldier still needs a watch to do their job?

Tudor would probably argue that their Pelagos FXD is actually, currently used by the Marine Nationale for their very specific underwater navigation exercises. But in reality, all these divers are doing is timing their swims - so any waterproof watch with a bit of lume and a count up bezel (or, indeed, a casio with a stopwatch function) could do that.

Incidentally the FXD is a great example of what we're talking about here - that watch appeals to me because I love the idea of a watch that's built for a specific purpose. Fixed bars, a specialised bezel, the phrase "built to the specifications of the marine nationale", I won't pretend I'm not enamoured by that sort of stuff, even though I know very well it's all marketing. If I actually DID do tethered partner, shallow dive combat navigation, I'd probably actually want to wear a G-Shock, but the idea of doing a cool man job with the cool man watch, speaks to me in ways I can't quite articulate. Again, I know I'm being marketed at, but I can't help it sometimes.

Anyways, the Pelagos FXD is blue, so I don't want it.
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11th May 2022
Wednesday 12:52 pm
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>>6666

>I suppose if you want to get technical, the wristwatch as we know it (I'm conspicuously ignoring the decades of bracelet watches preceding this) was designed for soldiers to wear to war, and a modern soldier still needs a watch to do their job?

Apparently, military watches are still a thing. Probably with good reason, because all your electronic combat equipment could fail or be damaged in combat, including electronic helmets that some troops wear nowadays, but for a military-spec wrist watch to fail, you'd probably have to have your arm shot off, in which case you'll have far bigger problems than being late for an ambush.

https://www.thesoldiersproject.org/what-watches-do-the-military-use/
>> No. 6668 Anonymous
12th May 2022
Thursday 7:21 pm
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The new Dan Henry watches are hideous.
>> No. 6669 Anonymous
13th May 2022
Friday 3:43 pm
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Bought the cheapest watch I could find to stick on me bike. Not bad at all for £4.76. I might even start wearing it if I develop a penchant for jewellery.
>> No. 6670 Anonymous
13th May 2022
Friday 8:38 pm
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>>6669
Are you sticking it on your wrist as you ride the bike? Or on the bike itself?
>> No. 6671 Anonymous
13th May 2022
Friday 8:42 pm
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>>6669

I don't know if you mean motorbike or bicycle, but if the latter you should have bought one of these hilarious items.
>> No. 6672 Anonymous
19th May 2022
Thursday 9:42 pm
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Christopher Ward are starting to stock older models with the newer logo.
>> No. 6673 Anonymous
19th May 2022
Thursday 10:02 pm
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>>6669

200 metres water resistance sounds like a bold claim for a watch that was less than five quid. Then again, for that kind of money, who cares.
>> No. 6674 Anonymous
19th May 2022
Thursday 10:25 pm
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As is 'Japan Movement'.
>> No. 6675 Anonymous
19th May 2022
Thursday 10:45 pm
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>>6671

It's like a hipster Garmin. Bonkers.
>> No. 6680 Anonymous
25th May 2022
Wednesday 9:50 pm
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TK Maxx have a Mondaine smart watch for £150, although it's not my cup of tea.

https://www.tkmaxx.com/uk/en/men/accessories/watches+jewellery/mens-watches/multicoloured-helvetica-smart-watch/p/76635260

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