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>> No. 16797 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 2:22 pm
16797 New Adam Curtis films
>Out There, At the Mountains of Madness and Dream Baby Dream
>Curtis will make three iPlayer-only films exploring themes of hypocrisy, deception and corruption in contemporary Britain – Out There, At the Mountains of Madness and Dream Baby Dream – available from July.

PSYCHED! HYPED! Err, piped?

It's been 3 years since the last Adam Curtis film and in some ways a butt load (yes that much) of things have changed so I'm super duper excited about these films.
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>> No. 16798 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 2:30 pm
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Not strictly true. He did a thing with Massive Attack, of all things, last summer at the Manchester International Festival.
>> No. 16799 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 2:58 pm
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I hope he doesn't make me loath the Moon soundtrack again...
>> No. 16800 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 3:02 pm
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Is there any more information? I'm curious how At the Mountains of Madness has anything to do with those themes.

With that in mind, I just rewatched the "A Bicyclops Built for Two" episode of Futurama and one of the other races Alkazar is trying to marry appears to be Yith. Did anyone else see that?
>> No. 16801 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 3:48 pm
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>>16800

No.
>> No. 16802 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 6:14 pm
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>>16797

Thanks for this, OP. Very excited.
>> No. 16803 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 6:27 pm
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Yeah cheers, looking forward to this. Curious as to why it's iPlayer only though?
>> No. 16804 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 6:37 pm
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On recent sightings of Adam Curtis, he was interviewed for New Humanist magazine a few months ago. The article is online here if anyone is interested:

http://rationalist.org.uk/articles/4641/fail-better
>> No. 16805 Anonymous
6th June 2014
Friday 7:29 pm
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>>16803

Loads of stuff with niche appeal is going iPlayer-only. They have been doing comedy pilots like that for a while, which has worked really well. BBC research shows that when something becomes a word-of-mouth cult hit, it does so via iPlayer rather than via broadcast repeats. The BBC is starting to consciously split their output, based on the two distinct audiences of "passive" versus "active" viewers - the sort of people who sit down for an evening of telly and watch whatever is on, versus people who want to watch specific things and prefer to do so via streaming when it suits them.

The long-term plan is to abolish broadcast altogether and move to an online-only service. The BBC intends to become an institution that creates and archives media content, rather than a broadcaster. BBC Three will be the first to make that switch next year, because the young audience for that channel is very comfortable with technology.
>> No. 16806 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 3:55 pm
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Shouldn't this thread be in /boo/?
>> No. 16807 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 4:07 pm
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>>16806
It's about a documentary. Do fuck off.
>> No. 16808 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 6:06 pm
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>>16805
Cheers for the thorough answer. I was aware the beeb were moving a lot of stuff online but didn't realise the plan was to eventually go fully online. I guess it makes sense although I kind of like them being a "broadcaster" as well. Probably just my own sentimentalism.

I would fucking love it if they ever decided to actually put up their archive of stuff. The amount of amazing programmes and footage etc they must have is staggering. I guess that's often what makes Curtis docs so good though as well, in that he has access to all that old archive footage and knows how to use it to great effect.

BB3 can get to fuck for all I care though.
>> No. 16809 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 7:02 pm
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>>16808

The BBC already have the technology in place to make the full archive available on iPlayer. The archive and iPlayer are part of the same unified media platform, so it would just be a case of clicking a couple of buttons. Some of that content is sporadically released as part of a BBC Four Collection, as you can see at the moment on iPlayer with the Horizon collection.

The sticking point is the BBC Trust, the independent governing body of the BBC. Their rules stipulate that the BBC cannot unfairly compete with commercial companies, and it is the opinion of the Trust that a full release of the archive would unfairly undermine commercial sales of DVDs of back-catalogue programmes by other broadcasters. iPlayer has been handicapped in all sorts of ways because of this principle - there's no technical or legal reason why BBC-commissioned programmes couldn't stay on iPlayer forever once uploaded, but the Trust won't allow it. The BBC Four Collections are only permitted because of a special exemption in BBC Four's service license. I think it's fucking bullshit, but there you go.
>> No. 16810 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 7:38 pm
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>>16809
That sort of thing is a big problem for the Trust - that and thematic channels (e.g. the perennial request to hive off all sport to a dedicated channel). They don't want to do anything which might put the BBC at risk when it comes to their Charter or Ofcom. It may be worth remembering the circumstances of recent years:

* The Tories are in power. It's not entirely impossible that they'll be back in power next May. The BBC don't particularly like the Tories, and that feeling is mutual.
* They are already facing a tough financial settlement. The licence fee has been frozen. The FCO no longer funds the World Service. They are faced with the prospect of having to fund S4C's operations.
* Leveson. Mostly the fact that they weren't guilty and are already subject to controls, and everyone else is jealous that they "got off lightly".
* One word: Savile.

We've been here before. In the 90s, the BBC reprofiled its radio offering. There was a feeling R1 was inappropriately competing with ILR, and should go in a different direction. The R2 audience was quite literally dying out - the average age was into the sixties. They were criticised over their use of the spectrum, and had already had the R1 MW frequencies taken off them and handed to a commercial licensee.
>> No. 16811 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 7:54 pm
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>>16805
>The long-term plan is to abolish broadcast altogether and move to an online-only service. The BBC intends to become an institution that creates and archives media content, rather than a broadcaster
What makes you say this, if you don't mind me asking? It seems somewhat self-destructive, seeing as the license fee is only necessary for access to live broadcasts.
>> No. 16812 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 8:08 pm
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I don't like the idea of public institutions except where necessary, bit I do think the BBC does a reasonably good job. That said, I don't think it's worthy of the size and esteem it has at the minute. I don't know. A combined climbdown as well as making public their back catalogue would be an acceptable tradeoff for me.
>> No. 16813 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 9:52 pm
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>>16811

The Director General has said so himself during the BBC Three brouhaha. The BBC recognise that broadcast is slowly becoming obsolete, as viewers switch to on-demand services in increasing numbers. The transition might take many years, but it's inevitable.

The BBC has a deep strategic awareness of the importance of pre-empting and driving new technology rather than simply reacting to it. They completely missed the boat in the early days of the internet, hence the "beeb.com" domain name that they used for many years - nobody had thought to buy "bbc.com". They learned from that lesson and developed one of the most popular websites on earth and the world's best video on demand platform.

The BBC are painfully aware of the fragility of their existence given the current political climate, which is why they're refocussing on content rather than broadcast. As more and more young people abandon broadcast TV (and so become exempt from the license fee) the BBC want to be able to argue for their funding on the basis of the content they create, regardless of how that content is consumed. The model for this is Germany, where every household must pay the license fee, regardless of whether they own a television.
>> No. 16814 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 10:16 pm
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>>16809

>The BBC already have the technology in place to make the full archive available on iPlayer.

The means, but not the will.

"What about all those delicious boxset sales!" - Everyone at the BBC
>> No. 16815 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 10:21 pm
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>>16813
>where every household must pay the license fee, regardless of whether they own a television.
It would be the end of civilisation as we know it. Barbarians at the gates, philistines in the castles!
>> No. 16816 Anonymous
7th June 2014
Saturday 11:20 pm
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>>16814

The overwhelming majority of archive content isn't available on DVD. The BBC really do want to make the archive available, and anyway DVD sales aren't really their concern (that's done by BBC Worldwide, a completely independent company). As I said, the problem is the Trust.
>> No. 16860 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 1:26 am
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>>16810
> It's not entirely impossible that [The Tories will] be back in power next May

Yes it is!
>> No. 16861 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 2:43 am
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>>16860
Unless you're planning, or are aware of persons planning, vote fraud on a massive scale, I don't believe you're in a position to call it impossible, especially when all available data appears to contradict you.
>> No. 16864 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 10:59 am
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>>16861

I was going to make a post similar to yours but then I thought he's making a very clever joke about the conservatives not actually being in power now so they can't get 'back' in or something.
>> No. 16865 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 1:24 pm
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>>16861
If the Tories aren't back in opposition by this time next year I will come to your house dressed as the ghost of Margaret Thatcher, pull down your trousers and suck your cock until such a time as you ejaculate in my mouth. I will then put the video up on youtube and send the link to my parents and my nan.

I would bet my life savings on it. I would gamble my soul. There is more chance of Kevin Webster's daughters begging me for a threesome than of David Cameron still being prime minister in 12 months time.
>> No. 16866 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 1:36 pm
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>>16865
Are you going to explain why you don't think they have a chance when, again, all available data appears to contradict you?
>> No. 16867 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 3:24 pm
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>>16866

UKIP.
>> No. 16868 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 4:59 pm
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>>16867
What's that meant to mean? UKIP won't take any seats, and Cam isn't far behind in the polls at all, even with UKIP taking 10-18% in them. Consider the fact that maybe half of those will go back to the Tories come the general election, especially so in the contested seats.

I'll repeat I think we'll end up with the Tories winning a majority. A hung parliament is unlikely thanks to the Lib Dem implosion. I think we'll see UKIP winning two or three seats, and replacing the Tories in the north as the 'main opposition' to Labour.

I also think it's feasible that we'll see the Tories with the most votes (I'm almost certain they'll get the most votes, seats are another matter) but with Labour getting the most seats, which will be a very interesting situation from a constitutional point of view.
>> No. 16869 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 5:07 pm
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Do you mind keeping it in the giant bloody /pol/ threads already?
>> No. 16870 Anonymous
11th June 2014
Wednesday 5:13 pm
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>>16869
Quite.
>> No. 16872 Anonymous
12th June 2014
Thursday 12:47 am
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... So uhm... Adam Curtis, eh?

I was reading his blogs a bit, and he seems like just my sort of chap. An equal dose of rational realism and tinfoil-hatter paranoia.

Can anyone fill me in on his older films, and where I can find them?
>> No. 16873 Anonymous
12th June 2014
Thursday 1:25 am
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>>16872
http://thoughtmaybe.com/by/adam-curtis/

The Power of Nightmares onwards is where his style and technique really came into its own for my money.
>> No. 16874 Anonymous
12th June 2014
Thursday 1:37 am
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>>16872>>16873

Ahh, but don't shun The Mayfair Set. Highly recommended.
>> No. 16892 Anonymous
15th June 2014
Sunday 9:04 pm
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So how seriously can I take this bloke?

I watched a couple of his films, including "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace", and whilst I found a good portion of it resonated very strongly with my worldview, it did feel a bit like listening to that bloke at the pub who reckons he was in the secret service and doesn't use any form of modern technology.

He says things you want to believe, but how do we know his information is reliable? It's just presented as fact. Or is it meant to be some sort of satirical semi-fiction? Or is it something way more artistic and avant garde than that, even, where it doesn't matter about the truth behind it but simply that it makes you think?

I might be out of my depth here.
>> No. 16893 Anonymous
15th June 2014
Sunday 9:58 pm
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>>16892

Curtis studied politics as an academic, but I think he deliberately creates his films so that they can be meaningful to a mass audience. The arguments are sincere, but the way in which he chooses to make those arguments is very deliberately designed to elicit an emotional reaction. A lot of his work is about opposing systems that are wrongly viewed as inherently objective, and if you read his blog he has been somewhat critical of documentaries that attempt to be completely objective. What he creates in his work is an alternative narrative of history, with emphasis on the narrative.

It's a consistent and worthwhile viewpoint, but I'm not sure whether you'd class that as art, commentary, history, journalism, or whatever else.
>> No. 17034 Anonymous
5th July 2014
Saturday 6:48 pm
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So was there any more news on this? July is here and I haven't seen or heard anything about these films.
>> No. 17035 Anonymous
5th July 2014
Saturday 7:21 pm
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>>16809

They do indeed, and it's quite an exciting idea that they would stop filling up airspace with endless repeats of old shows and just stick them online for old people to peacefully vegetate infront of.

I had (maybe still have?) access to BBC Redux through an employee and it was fucking amazing - so much old/random shit and no 7 day lifespan to stress you out or make it ethereal.
>> No. 17036 Anonymous
5th July 2014
Saturday 7:30 pm
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>>16892

Well you would be a complete mug to ever trust a tv documentary as objective fact. He has some interesting views, certainly some that I concur with, but it's really just a fairly intellectual and thoughtful man trying to explain his world view. The causal links, motivations and relationships of things he tries to connect are absolutely not there in a quantifiable way, but his points seem to make general sense and are at least thought provoking. You will always be able to take away some new and interesting information, and be entertained and challenged.

For me I watch it for the incredible archive footage. It's absolutely astounding how many clips are in each hour of tv - and they are edited expertly to give a really visceral and emotional effect. It doesn't matter who or what is being focussed on, they will source every available clip or soundbite. The soundtrack too is utterly brilliant. Theres a bit in 'All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace' where he plays Kraftwerk - Radioactive which is just sublime.
>> No. 17095 Anonymous
21st July 2014
Monday 12:49 pm
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>>17034
Not that I know of. I hope I don't forget about it.
>> No. 17096 Anonymous
21st July 2014
Monday 12:58 pm
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>>16865

Pretty sure you will be able to bet your life savings on it down at the bookies. Go on then.
>> No. 17097 Anonymous
21st July 2014
Monday 1:08 pm
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>>17036

I've only watched The Century of The Self, and I couldn't really follow the logic of his argument. He started by going on about how Freud's theories were used to sell cigarettes to people and then jumps to claim that psychoanalysis is used by elites to control society but doesn't explain how or give any solid evidence of it. Well he doesn't really 'claim' it so much as present it as fact.

And from what I remember he re-used a lot of archive footage multiple times. He was especially lazy with the soundtrack, re-using the same cliched Arvo Part piece throughout, which is also featured in just about every documentary.
>> No. 17177 Anonymous
26th July 2014
Saturday 7:43 pm
17177 The new Adam Curtis film
Anyone know when its coming out, heard july, still no sign?
>> No. 17183 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 6:59 pm
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>>17177
Cutting it a bit fine, aren't they?

At least there was a new blog post from him on Friday about Boolean logic and other interesting stuff. Just in case you didn't know.
>> No. 17184 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 7:05 pm
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>>17183

Those lying Guardian bastards! I can't believe I made this thread, I'm such a fool ;_;
>> No. 17185 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 8:37 pm
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>>17183

I'm reading Curtis' most recent blog post and have just discovered that the 'Social Exclusion Unit' is actually a fucking real life thing. There's such a bitter irony in the name that it goes beyond any kind of satire or fiction. I'm bouncing off the walls, here.
>> No. 17186 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:10 pm
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>>17185
>There's such a bitter irony in the name that it goes beyond any kind of satire or fiction.
I know, right? How ironic that a task force set up to combat social exclusion would be called the "social exclusion task force", right? Whatever next, eh? Before you know it, we'll end up with a service tasked with fighting fires and rescuing people called a "fire and rescue service", or, God forbid, shops situated on street corners called "corner shops". Oh, the irony of it all!
>> No. 17187 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:18 pm
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>>17186

I think you missed what I was trying to say. The reason I find that name ironic is because a part of what the Social Exclusion Unit does is identify problem areas, neighbourhoods and try to predict future problems. That in itself socially excludes people.
>> No. 17188 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:20 pm
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>>17187
>That in itself socially excludes people.
Erm, no, but thanks for playing.
>> No. 17189 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:21 pm
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>>17187

Cancer screening gives people cancer.
>> No. 17190 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:26 pm
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>>17189
This. See also "recorded crime is increasing".
>> No. 17191 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:31 pm
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>>17187
>That in itself socially excludes people.
wot.
>> No. 17192 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:43 pm
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>>17189

I'm not clear on your point, but I'm reading it as: cancer is identified more in the present, and this is reflected statistically, but that doesn't necessarily mean cancer was any less prevalent before cancer screening, right? If I'm right in this, your opinion is that 'social exclusion' was equally as prevalent before the invention of the Social Exclusion Unit, then?

I'd say that what it means to be socially included is far more subjective than whether you have cancer or not. Having a section of government that considers you to a task for the Social Exclusion Unit will instill that you are somehow 'outside' from a very early age.

I'll openly admit that whether you agree with what I'm saying hinges on whether you think that being treated differently is likely to make you behave differently.
>> No. 17193 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 9:51 pm
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>>17192
>Having a section of government that considers you to a task for the Social Exclusion Unit will instill that you are somehow 'outside' from a very early age.
U wot?
>> No. 17194 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 10:00 pm
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>>17193

Stop that.
>> No. 17195 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 10:11 pm
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>>17194
No, you stop that.
>> No. 17196 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 10:14 pm
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>>17194
>>17195

Both of you stop it or I'll tell Are Purpz.
>> No. 17198 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 10:24 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/v/hnTmBjk-M0c
>> No. 17199 Anonymous
27th July 2014
Sunday 11:02 pm
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To be honest I'm more curious as to the evident lack of self-awareness in writing an article with no reference to Paedogeddon with the title "NOW THEN".
>> No. 17213 Anonymous
31st July 2014
Thursday 6:28 pm
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Its the 31st wheres my Adam Curtis film you promised me.
>> No. 17214 Anonymous
31st July 2014
Thursday 6:30 pm
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>>17213

It's been delayed due to poor punctuation, sorry.
>> No. 17215 Anonymous
31st July 2014
Thursday 6:49 pm
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>>17214
Not everyone was raised with an error activated electrobuttplug up their arse.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 17216 Anonymous
31st July 2014
Thursday 6:53 pm
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>>17215
That is one of the access requirements for this site.
>> No. 17245 Anonymous
5th August 2014
Tuesday 12:03 am
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>>17199

Is it a lack of self-awareness?

Or is it a dig at the beeb?

The documentaries are late.
>> No. 17247 Anonymous
5th August 2014
Tuesday 1:01 am
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>>17189

I mean mammograms do use X-rays...
>> No. 18084 Anonymous
2nd November 2014
Sunday 8:20 am
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Guys, guys, guys! New blog

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/HAPPIDROME-Part-One
>> No. 18085 Anonymous
2nd November 2014
Sunday 8:43 am
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>>18084

Anyone else get the feeling his films turned into blog posts somewhere in production?

Always happy to see his output, but still a touch sad about it.
>> No. 18086 Anonymous
2nd November 2014
Sunday 9:04 am
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>>18085

That really warrants a heads up though, surely?

I'm worried you could be right though, as I can't see another time two blog posts came within a month of each other since 2012.
>> No. 18351 Anonymous
11th December 2014
Thursday 1:15 pm
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Bitter Lake, Jan 18th.

This time they mean it!
>> No. 18352 Anonymous
11th December 2014
Thursday 2:34 pm
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>>18351

I am vindicated! Yay!
>> No. 18354 Anonymous
11th December 2014
Thursday 5:34 pm
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>>18351
Lovely stuff.
>> No. 18357 Anonymous
11th December 2014
Thursday 6:05 pm
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>>18351

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/TRAILER-TRASH
>> No. 18397 Anonymous
15th December 2014
Monday 9:35 am
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>>18357
>It is also liberating - both because things can be any length, and also because it allows the audience to watch the films in different ways.

>The film is called Bitter Lake. It is a bit of an epic - it’s two hours twenty minutes long.

I am genuinely excited about this, it sounds like a brilliant concept. I've been craving something substantial very badly.
>> No. 18398 Anonymous
15th December 2014
Monday 9:39 am
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>>18397

I know right!

You know all those videos of absolute scum pretending to be really happy about the new Star Wars film, well I was actually like that when I saw the length of the new Curtis film.
>> No. 18470 Anonymous
29th December 2014
Monday 1:31 pm
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FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST IT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK AGAIN!

It's going up on the 25th now. I look forward to the second film, sometime in 2017.
>> No. 18474 Anonymous
29th December 2014
Monday 5:28 pm
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>>18470
Achilles and the Tortoise. FFS.

Might the reason be last-minute editing or some degree of editorial censorship? I don't see Curtis wanting to self-censor, but someone else might have had other ideas.
>> No. 18527 Anonymous
1st January 2015
Thursday 5:09 pm
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Adam Curtis has ruined natural history documentaries for me. There's a post on his blog about how conservative and regressive the suggested world view within them is, and now I'm watching Frozen Planet and I feel like I'm in They Live. Well, maybe I do, I've never seen They Live, not even since the last time I said I felt like I was in They Live.
>> No. 18529 Anonymous
1st January 2015
Thursday 5:59 pm
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>>18527
You should stop watching Frozen Planet and watch They Live. It's a classic.
>> No. 18531 Anonymous
1st January 2015
Thursday 8:17 pm
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>>18527
What's progressive natural history? It sounds awful.
>> No. 18532 Anonymous
1st January 2015
Thursday 9:37 pm
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>>18531
It takes more from richer periods with more interesting stuff than from poorer periods with less interesting stuff.
>> No. 18533 Anonymous
1st January 2015
Thursday 11:55 pm
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>>18532
What does that even mean?
>> No. 18534 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 12:16 am
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>>18533
That you have to ask only proves how deeply brainwashed you are.
>> No. 18535 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 3:11 am
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>>18531

Perhaps there isn't one, but I watched a thing with Gordon Buchanan where he spent a two months watching wolves. He keeps comparing the wolves to sort of an ideal family arrangement, and talking about how they're just like us. But 15 minutes later he realises that another pack has killed the runt of the group he's been watching.
>> No. 18536 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 5:04 am
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>>18534
Why don't you answer the question?
>> No. 18537 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 8:59 pm
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>>18474

I never thought to respond to this at the time. However, it's unlikely to be any sort of censorship given this first film is about Afghanistan. It doesn't seem like a topic that has much left to censor.
>> No. 18538 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 9:01 pm
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>>18537
There was a handover ceremony out there recently. I imagine it might be to give everyone time to get the hell out of Dodge first.
>> No. 18539 Anonymous
2nd January 2015
Friday 11:36 pm
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>>18536
Because I was being glib.
>> No. 18588 Anonymous
18th January 2015
Sunday 11:06 pm
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>> No. 18589 Anonymous
18th January 2015
Sunday 11:17 pm
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>>18588
I've often thought Curtis documentaries are much like 9/11 truth films. They're so cunningly edited that when you really scrutinise the material in retrospect you realise that it's all a bit much, but could easily be taken if off-guard.
>> No. 18590 Anonymous
19th January 2015
Monday 12:31 am
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>>18589

They're polemics rather than documentaries. Curtis isn't trying to impartially inform the viewer of a set of facts, but to advance a particular ideological perspective. I have no problem with that - indeed, I think that our culture is bereft of ideology - but it has to be borne in mind that his work is rhetoric, not reportage.
>> No. 18591 Anonymous
19th January 2015
Monday 12:41 am
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>>18588

"Oh, I'm a great big post modern wanker and anyone with an opinion is fool and ought to have their legs kicked bloody from out under them."

I'm just going to have to assume that the video is dripping with irony and he's actually a fan of Curtis. Still too post modern.

>>18590

How come people are always assuming documentaries are supposed to be impartial?
>> No. 18592 Anonymous
19th January 2015
Monday 1:19 am
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>>18590
I see him as quite socialistically minded myself, I don't have a problem with that, even though mine and his perceived politics may cross over. He put forward the idea of politics both Eastern and Western trying to rationalise the irrational, that will stick with me. Theories of economics have just proved to be that - we are in a theoryless age, Curtis can't help that, nor can Gideon (soon to be Balls).
Enjoy the Chopin lads, in his favourite key C# min
https://www.youtube.com/v/HHPXyBg5e8E
>> No. 18617 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 1:39 pm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gyz6b

They said it'd be here today. It's not here today yet.
>> No. 18618 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 2:04 pm
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>>18617
>2 hours, 17 minutes

I've not done this in a long time, really anticipated something. This should be interesting.
>> No. 18619 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 2:05 pm
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>>18618

Just realised as I was posting that this is the length of the film, rather than the time until it's available to watch.

I suppose I'll be F5ing a lot today.
>> No. 18620 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 4:57 pm
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Is it here yet?
>> No. 18621 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 8:24 pm
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>>18620

I've got Google alerts running on Adam Curtis. One picked up a time of 9pm, announced on a Twitter feed (@cubicgarden). Can't really verify, but apparently the bloke is a BBC employee or associate.
>> No. 18622 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 9:10 pm
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>>18620
>>18621

It's up now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake
>> No. 18623 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 9:11 pm
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It's up. Enjoy lads, I'm going to sit this one out until I'm a bit more clear-headed, probably tomorrow evening.
>> No. 18624 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 9:20 pm
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>>18622

Adam Curtis has a fever, and the only prescription is MORE BURIAL.
>> No. 18625 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 10:07 pm
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Fucking hell, I've got motion sickness.
>> No. 18626 Anonymous
25th January 2015
Sunday 11:52 pm
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I love how scenes are mixed and stitched together. Like the scene of the art student talking about a toilet in a museum in France, and how it is such a big deal, show right after a scene detailing how America and her allies tortured to death Afghans. That captured how I see most things.

Overall 9/10.
>> No. 18627 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 12:05 am
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Well that was bleak as fuck. Still rather enjoyed it, kind of liked the more sparse style in regards to his narration. Some of the footage and juxtapositions made me actually gasp or say "fuckin hell!" out loud the little girl who'd been severely injured by some sort of blast and her dad followed by the soldier playing with the bird stands out. Which I guess is good.

I don't really watch Curtis docs (hard to even consider that a traditional documentary) for any sort of coherent narrative, I guess that's sort of the point though. That in a world of ever increasing complexity there really are no simple coherent narratives, and I think it managed to reflect that rather well. It did leave me feeling slightly more depressed about how generally fucked up everything is but that is par for the course with Mr Curtis.
>> No. 18628 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 1:26 am
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My internet has gone to absolute shit, it's at 1998 levels right now. At least it's stable I guess.

Get away from my wifi GCHQlad! It wasn't me who pranked your boss.
>> No. 18629 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 9:29 am
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What the hell am I watching? I'm at about 55 minutes and it's been about 10 minutes of content and 45 minutes of fluff.
>> No. 18630 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 9:58 am
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>>18629
I have to agree. I couldn't make it through the whole thing since it felt like being subjected to a particularly brutal holiday showreel.
>> No. 18635 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 7:55 pm
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So, are there going to be two more? Or is this it?
>> No. 18642 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 9:13 pm
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>>18635
Think that's it. Will have to make do with the occasional blog post for a couple of years
>> No. 18643 Anonymous
26th January 2015
Monday 9:34 pm
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I enjoyed it, as i do every curtis documentary. But
>the americans are in bed with the saudis
>saudi arabia is the factory floor of fundamental Islam
>afghanistan is a quagmire of tribal rivalry
>politicians like to simplify conflicts in order to sell them to the public
It's hardly ground breaking stuff. It is nice to see it all collated into one piece of film though.
>> No. 18645 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 2:32 am
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>>18629
>>18630

That's because you're reading it wrong. It's not fluff, it's there for a reason. There's a trend in contemporary documentary makers ("proper" ones not Ancient Aliens or any of that other rubbish) to more and more simply present footage without narrating it. To present noumenal* film and allow you to make sense of it yourself, so they're not dictating to you their interpretation. It's an attempt to be more honest, to show you as much of the whole picture as possible without introducing bias. Admittedly that has problems of its own but it's the way things have been going.

*Am I using this word correctly? I'm trying to learn it.
>> No. 18646 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 12:11 pm
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I think Curtis is, to quote Doug Stanhope, outta shit. He's just repeating himself and filling the space with stock footage. The film wasn't exactly bad, but as the other lad said it was about 5 minutes of interesting content followed by about half an hour of shaky cam recordings of people running about screaming and Carry On clips. He could have made the same points with just as much impact in 45 minutes instead of 2 hours.
>> No. 18647 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 1:21 pm
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>>18645
>so they're not dictating to you their interpretation.
They're communicating it more subtly. There is still the conscious choice to include that footage, and also more importantly to not include other footage. As is so often the case, you may find biases more in what isn't shown than what is.
>> No. 18648 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 5:13 pm
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Now I know why any of those footages were never shown anywhere in the media. People like >>18646 and >>18629 will never like it, so that's why we have these simple narratives of good and bad.
>> No. 18649 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 6:02 pm
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>>18648
Christ, lad, Curtis isn't Jesus and parroting what he says just makes you look like the kid at school who thought he knew everything about the US government because he watched Zeitgeist.

There's a difference of being shown these videos in the context of a news report where you expect to see them and having them bombarded at you for two hours and seventeen minutes when you expect someone to tell you a story of why things happened.
>> No. 18650 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 7:10 pm
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>>18649
The videos explained why things happened. But of-course, those brought up on Big Brother and 24 News-for-dummies will have problems viewing them.
>> No. 18651 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 7:26 pm
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>>18650

I nominally agree with what you're saying, but being a twat isn't going to convince him.
>> No. 18652 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 7:48 pm
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>>18650
> The videos explained why things happened.
Yeah that video of an army chap trying to secure the loan of a photocopier changed my worldview.
>> No. 18653 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 7:50 pm
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>>18652
If that's all you got from it, then maybe you should go back to watching My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding.
>> No. 18654 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 7:55 pm
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>>18650
>>18653

Are you deliberately being a cunt? Get off your high horse. Again, stop acting like you're fucking enlightened after watching what is one man's opinion. It doesn't make you better than anyone else for perceiving meaning where others saw none.
>> No. 18655 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 8:01 pm
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>>18654
I'm not being a cunt. I'm trying to explain to our ladmate here that politicians try to come up with simple narratives because the general public is like him. Fickle and dumb.
>> No. 18656 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 8:28 pm
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>>18655
Things would be much better if they were pretentious elitists like you. I was half asleep when I watched, but I don't remember getting much deep understanding from the video used, would you mind pointing out a couple of pieces you got something out of?
>> No. 18657 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 9:01 pm
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>>18655

People have been writing simple narratives often called "stories", sometimes cunningly disguised as so-called "novels", "plays" and more recently "films" and "television programs" for thousands of years. Wow, this evil political simple narrative conspiracy is far worse than I thought.
>> No. 18658 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 9:05 pm
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>>18656
>>18657
Why are you forcing me to become a dullard like you lot? Accept that you are idiots and move on.
>> No. 18659 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 9:08 pm
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>>18658
Here you go, lad.
>> No. 18660 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 9:28 pm
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>>18658
Is that an "I can't", lad? Why are you taking disagreement over an Adam Curtis documentary so seriously?
>> No. 18661 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 9:29 pm
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Let me guess. He's just pretending to be a total fucking idiot.
>> No. 18665 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 10:15 pm
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>>18647
Yes, exactly. I almost said as much but thought I covered it with
>Admittedly that has problems of its own but it's the way things have been going.
Judging by the way this thread has gone some people probably will benefit from your spelling it out.
>> No. 18667 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:13 pm
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>>18660
There is no "disagreement." I'm just trying to help idiots.
>> No. 18668 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:15 pm
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>>18667

Benevolent or not, you seem insufferable.
>> No. 18669 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:24 pm
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Did you watch that new Adam Curtis documentary? It was so fucking deep yeah. It like totally made me think about Arabia and stuff. I think some plebs didn't get it because there like wasn't enough talking, but I totally got what he was doing. I mean, why like try and make your point in a brief and concise manner when you can make an epic 2 hour masterpiece.
>> No. 18670 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:25 pm
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>>18669
Have you seen Boyhood? It took 12 years to make.
>> No. 18671 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:28 pm
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>>18670

So did my 12 year cousin but he's still a shithead.
>> No. 18672 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:32 pm
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>>18669
Like I said, stick to My Big Fat wedding. It's very concise and everyone gets married in less than 30 minutes.
>> No. 18673 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:34 pm
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I'm now convinced cuntlad is a troll. He's not actually responding to anyone, just insulting them.
>> No. 18675 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:37 pm
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>>18673
Why are you overlooking their insults? You soppy twat, did you skip through the documentary because of "wots all these pictures mate, I need a voice over?"
>> No. 18676 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:42 pm
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>>18648

It was still a pretty simple narrative of good and bad though. It was a narrative of "look at all the nasty things that happen because the rich powerful people toyed around in business that wasn't theirs, look they are people just like you, feel empathy for them. Here's a ten minute video of people going about their daily lives amidst some rubble just in case you don't feel enough empathy already."
>> No. 18678 Anonymous
27th January 2015
Tuesday 11:58 pm
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>>18675
Your sort of bluster must be a mask for deep insecurity.
>> No. 18679 Anonymous
28th January 2015
Wednesday 12:39 am
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>>18676
No it wasn't. It was trying to convince us to pick a side based on other reasons, rather than childish good vs evil bullshit people in the west love so much. Hate Islamists even though they stop corruption? Support the corrupt bastards oppressing everyone. Hate the commies? Support the Islamists. Obviously asking people to make choices based on these kinds of things would be a bit too much. Just look at the comments on this thread. "Oh m8 it was too long, there were videos I didn't like, why didn't he narrate for the whole 2 hours..."
>> No. 18682 Anonymous
28th January 2015
Wednesday 10:52 am
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I'm going to ignore the cunt off. I can understand why people didn't enjoy it, there were parts where I felt my mind wandering a bit. It was perhaps a bit long, and I get that it's just not some people's cup of tea. I personally still really enjoyed it and thought some of the footage was fantastic in and of itself.

I might be way off here but I don't think Curtis was trying to put across an easy digestible message of the big bad West fucking everything up, although it could certainly be read that way. I thought that the conscious decision to not have much narration but lots of sometimes seemingly unrelated clips and footage was an attempt to get across the impossibility of imposing such narrow and binary perspectives on things. Especially things as complicated as a country like Afghanistan.

Some of the footage was fucking brutal and some was genuinely touching and affecting. For me it seemed like Curtis was attempting to give a more sensorial experience than a normal documentary. An attempt to get you to feel more than analyse.

And in spite of that I still felt like a learned a few things I didn't know before, admittedly due to my own ignorance, but I didn't really know about the deal between Roosevelt and the Saudi King, or how the dams being built years ago made poppies such a viable and valuable crop or just how much the Russians invested into the country and the fallout from that. Even stuff like the British troops in Helmand Province on which I've seen and read stuff, I wasn't aware of quite how entirely fucked up that situation was, again maybe just my own ignorance.

Regardless I'm glad we have someone like him making interesting pieces of film. There's so much entirely vapid shite relentlessly shoved in your face in our culture that when something like this comes along it feels like a breath of fresh air.

I'm probably talking shite.
>> No. 18683 Anonymous
28th January 2015
Wednesday 8:07 pm
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>>18682

> I'm glad we have someone like him making interesting pieces of film. There's so much entirely vapid shite relentlessly shoved in your face in our culture that when something like this comes along it feels like a breath of fresh air.

I agree. I enjoyed it a lot. Thought provoking, intense and provocative film making.
>> No. 18687 Anonymous
31st January 2015
Saturday 1:56 pm
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I adore this film. I don't take it as absolute fact, this is very much Adam Curtis' interpretation. Looking at how the world is typically presented, though, we could certainly do worse than to believe his narrative.

I am watching it for a third time. I think it's easier to understand his sense of pacing on repeated viewings, and also why he leaves certain videos run long.
>> No. 18688 Anonymous
31st January 2015
Saturday 2:09 pm
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I watched it last night with 4 pints down me at around 1am.

The stuff about the history of Afghanistan was interesting but for the most part it was pretty underwhelming.
>> No. 18689 Anonymous
31st January 2015
Saturday 3:06 pm
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It's only now I've noticed the parallel between the interviews with women who believed external influences would lead to greater gender equality.
>> No. 18738 Anonymous
14th February 2015
Saturday 2:12 am
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You've probably seen this already.
http://www.tomscott.com/infinite-adam-curtis/
>> No. 18819 Anonymous
20th February 2015
Friday 8:28 pm
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>>18738
>But Interflora declared that everyone should commit armed insurrection.
>10 years ago, in the White House, John Major had a tryst with the Chuckle Brothers.
I'm liking this.
>> No. 21164 Anonymous
9th October 2016
Sunday 2:39 pm
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>Acclaimed filmmaker, Adam Curtis brings his new epic film, HyperNormalisation to BBC iPlayer this October. The film will premiere at 9pm on Sunday 16 October.

>HyperNormalisation tells the extraordinary story of how we got to this strange time of great uncertainty and confusion - where those who are supposed to be in power are paralysed - and have no idea what to do. And, where events keep happening that seem inexplicable and out of control - from Donald Trump to Brexit, the War in Syria, the endless migrant crisis, and random bomb attacks. It explains not only why these chaotic events are happening - but also why we, and our politicians, cannot understand them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

It's interesting now to look back on Adam Curtis documentaries. As my own views on politics have developed slightly (hopefully in the sense that they've become more informed), I'm wondering how I'll react on seeing Curtis' highly pop-culture focussed, artsy take on global events again. His films have been quite important to me, and were certainly one of the stepping stones leading to my current understanding of the world.

Though they seem to set out to make people doubt and feel uneasy, I remember his films actually comforted me at a time when I was around a very rigid environment and it seemed impossible stuff like this could get made anywhere. I don't really know of any other filmmaker that can make films about abstract ideas and their effect on the world, and present them in such an aesthetically compelling way.

What I'm saying is, I'm piped.
>> No. 21165 Anonymous
10th October 2016
Monday 7:30 pm
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>>21164
I even read that blurb in his voice. Brian Eno is playing behind it.
>> No. 21166 Anonymous
10th October 2016
Monday 7:45 pm
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>>21164

Weird that, I was just thinking the other day "I wonder when there will be another Adam Curtis film..."

I didn't really like Bitter Lake. It was a bit up its own arse, too arty and distant. I hope this one is a bit more grounded and insightful.
>> No. 21167 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 5:19 pm
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Tonight at 9pm, lads.
>> No. 21168 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 5:32 pm
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>>21167
Thanks for this.
>> No. 21169 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 6:14 pm
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Literally can't wait lads.
>> No. 21170 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 6:31 pm
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>>21169
Why do Disney characters have large heads compared to the rest of their bodies?
>> No. 21172 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 6:50 pm
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>>21170
There is a great deal of psychology hidden in the character design, whole books have been written on the subject.

The big head/big eyes thing is mimicking the proportion of a baby or infant, to make the audience identify the character as "cute".
Notice how the villains usually have smaller heads, and male heroes are closer to life-like proportions. For an ideal Disney character, a (non-autistic) viewer should be able to instantly tell the role of that character from their silhouette alone.
>> No. 21173 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 8:50 pm
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>>21172
A person with some form of autism can't tell the role of characters from their silhouettes? Could be possible that these child like characters, who are really meant to be grown-ups, have been indoctrinating people to fancy children? Basically become a paedophile?
>> No. 21174 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 8:52 pm
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Appears to be up early, how curious. It's a long one, lads. See you on the other side.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation
>> No. 21175 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 8:53 pm
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>>21173

If you think that's the worst Disney have been indoctrinating our kids with you're in for a shock m8.
>> No. 21176 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 8:54 pm
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>>21173
You're projecting a litte bit there lad.
>> No. 21177 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 9:26 pm
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Knew them bankers were pricks.
>> No. 21178 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 9:55 pm
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>>21177

Things get properly fucking bonkers around the one hour mark. Or rather, real life events do... Qaddafi talking to the US Nation of Islam? Why the fuck not?
>> No. 21179 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 10:03 pm
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>We live in a strange time. Extraordinary events keep happening that undermine the stability of our world. Suicide bombs, waves of refugees, Donald Trump...
>> No. 21180 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 10:10 pm
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>>21179

G. Vidal,
>Everything in the world changes except avant guard theatre
>> No. 21181 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 10:37 pm
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The disaster film montage is just fucking magic. Laughing and haunted at the same time.
>> No. 21182 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 11:17 pm
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Good to know that there is no big man behind the curtains and everything is just more or less happening randomly. I can sleep better tonight.
>> No. 21183 Anonymous
16th October 2016
Sunday 11:46 pm
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The juxtaposition of the middle class lady crying about how Brexit made her feel against the 'artist' slashing a Z into the air in her film was on the nose, but it got a belly laugh out of me.

I am a bit speechless. Same way I felt after Bitter Lake, actually. This long form stuff definitely suits Curtis, the entire feel is a lot more sophisticated than his old films, structured in a way more appropriate to telling the story.
>> No. 21184 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 12:12 am
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Is there a track listing I'll be able to get my hands on?
>> No. 21185 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 12:46 am
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>>21184

Specifically the music that plays as Gaddafi's 3rd Universal Way is described, and ending when Curtis talks about how Gaddafi ended up isolated and friendless.
>> No. 21186 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 9:27 am
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This one was much better than Bitter Lake I thought; much more well paced and digestible as a piece of ambient film-making, as well as a thought provoking documentary.

Weird thing is that in the years since getting into Adam Curtis' films, my world view seems to have arrived at a point where I'd kind of already thought about most of the points he made on my own. This film felt like a "beginner's guide" to that cynical, slightly-/boo/-but-not-too-much, media sceptic rationalisation of the world.
>> No. 21187 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 10:21 am
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>>21186

Nothing wrong with a beginner's guide. For anyone struggling to make sense of the news (I think many people do) Adam Curtis is a great introduction to alternative ways of thinking about the world. The fact his audience eventual outgrow his films is a good sign, if anything.

That said, I think Bitter Lake was the more ambitious film. Hypernormalisation is almost like a recap and expansion upon his body of work thus far, but Bitter Lake is a sign of things to come, I think. Curtis seems to have a growing interest in just letting clips run and "speak for themselves".
>> No. 21188 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 1:41 pm
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>>21183
>This long form stuff definitely suits Curtis, the entire feel is a lot more sophisticated than his old films, structured in a way more appropriate to telling the story
I'd say the opposite. His earlier stuff was well crafted and argued (whatever you may think of the arguments), but the looser structure of the past few things has made him much less coherent. HyperNormalisation in particular sprawled out so much and tried so hard to tie all the threads into, well, everything, that it just ended up being nothing. Which is a shame, the Trump/Assad/Qaddafi parallels and interplay were very interesting.
>> No. 21190 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 3:08 pm
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Allow me to be that guy:

>>21186
>This film felt like a "beginner's guide"

Well it is very simplistic. In fact it made me a bit cross at multiple points such as when he followed the mistranslation of Putin praising Trump when actually he was described as what we would call a 'colourful' character which in Russian is put as radiant/bright. Lets get to my central argument though otherwise I could be here all day:

He focuses upon western relationships involuntarily creating his own distorted vision of the world* -suicide bombing for example is discussed in a relationship to attacks on the west or its interests. In doing so he also misses crucial points of Gaddafi and the development of the AU and R2P. This is surprising because there is a great irony in Gaddafi getting deposed on a justification of protecting civilians when he himself had argued for such a possibility, something you think he would be all over.

Things like R2P are however awfully inconvenient for his argument (I will also add, rooted in the ideas of third worlders such as Kofi Annan and Francis Deng whilst also enacted with almost unanimous international approval in the 2005 World Summit) because it is fundamentally an idealism within the international community and a vision for the future. Something that he, like other contemporaries like John Gray, can only attack which is ironic considering he himself is mostly about describing a loss of idealism. Perhaps its time we had an Adam Curtis documentary on Adam Curtis.

I concede that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with ripping into the world we live in, I myself am a cynical bastard as you may tell. The problem is Adam Curtis has never come to suggest answers so we're left with a career that is increasingly looking like the musings of a depressed teenager. I know he does have a vision of the world and occasionally it starts to bubble to the surface but I think its a vision that once revealed would be his own undoing.

*I'm reminded allot of a paper by Sebastian Schmidt about how Western academia views the national sovereignty through its own distorted lens. Sadly behind a paywall: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2478.2011.00667.x/full[/sup]

>>21188
I definitely agree that he has declined over time. I think it began with Oh Dearism which raised eyebrows even when it was released in two short films, having rewatched Mayfair Set recently his older work still holds up very well but he has gradually fallen into the trap of post-modernism.
>> No. 21191 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 3:49 pm
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>>21190
>The problem is Adam Curtis has never come to suggest answers so we're left with a career that is increasingly looking like the musings of a depressed teenager.
He's never been anything but to my mind.
>> No. 21192 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 3:49 pm
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>>21190

So copy and paste mate.

Are you a fucking nonce?
>> No. 21193 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 3:56 pm
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Blindboy Boatclub made the same basic point last year, but in two minutes instead of two and a half hours.

https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/788019461769031681
>> No. 21195 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 8:06 pm
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>>21190
>Sadly behind a paywall
Then post a screenshot or a cache or something. What the hell am I supposed to do with a broken link? Have a word with yourself.
>> No. 21197 Anonymous
17th October 2016
Monday 9:02 pm
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>>21196
It's okay, I don't care about it any more. You can shove it up your gaping arse.
>> No. 21198 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 7:55 am
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>>21192
>>21195
Its a url link to the abstract with a '[/sup]' accidentally put at the end. At 12 pages its too long to copy and paste while anyway we are not discussing Westphalian Sovereignty.

If you're really interested you can find the paper. I'm not going out of my way to post academic work for an autistic manchild on a site whose rules would likely object.
>> No. 21199 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 7:59 am
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>>21198

Christ, standards of education really are slipping, aren't they?
>> No. 21200 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 1:59 pm
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>>21198
I said I don't care. Why are you stil having a teary about this? Print all 12 pages or whatever, roll them up tightly and ram it up your hungry arse. You fucking twat.
>> No. 21201 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 3:42 pm
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>>21200
He couldn't have been sure you'd said that about the article because I deleted my unhelpful post and he's not me. Honestly I feel a bit bad about that, so I took the time to screenshot the entire article for you.
>> No. 21202 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 4:09 pm
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>>21201

Cheers.
>> No. 21203 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 4:49 pm
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Jesus christ, have none of you cunts heard of scihub?

http://sci-hub.cc/10.1111/j.1468-2478.2011.00667.x
>> No. 21204 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 5:55 pm
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>>21203

I've heard of it, but unfortunately all I want to download is ASTM specifications which it doesn't work for.
>> No. 21205 Anonymous
18th October 2016
Tuesday 11:33 pm
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>>21204

Sci-hub is for journal articles only. If you want books and other materials, try Libgen (http://golibgen.io) - they have about 1.5 million books and documents, including most of the ASTM publications.

If Libgen doesn't work, tweet a request with the hashtag "#icanhazpdf". Someone should provide you with a download link within a few minutes, at which point you should delete your tweet.
>> No. 21206 Anonymous
19th October 2016
Wednesday 2:19 am
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I have to say that while I enjoyed Bitter Lake and HyperNormalisation, they put me mad trying to describe them to other people in comparison to his earlier work.

>>21190
>The problem is Adam Curtis has never come to suggest answers
Is one of his threads not that "nobody has any answers" though? (Or at least, not good ones, not ones that inspire people and can actually change the world.)
If he had answers, that would kind of go through the floor.
>> No. 21220 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 10:50 am
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>Instead, Curtis repeats his by-now common refrain: that western leaders have no solutions to the world’s complex problems. So in Afghanistan and Iraq, George Bush and Tony Blair followed predecessors like Ronald Reagan in casting the world simplistically as a fight between good and evil. Their opponents were portrayed as demonic genuises.

>In this way, Curtis effectively lets Bush and Blair off the hook. They fell for an idea, a mistaken and lazy one. They wanted the best for us, to protect us from these evil masterminds, to rebuild a reassuring world for us. They may have been wrong, but their intentions were good.

>It is no surprise that Curtis only briefly deals with the US-UK attack on Iraq and even then does not mention oil as a factor, or the fact that Cheney and others made huge financial gains from the dissolution of the Iraqi state, or that the Iraq war generated a weapons sales bonanza for the military-industrial complex, or that there were geo-strategic interests for the US and Israel in weakening Arab nationalism. These issues are off Curtis’ radar, so well has his own perception of events been managed.

>Curtis is simply playing his part in managing our perceptions – and doing so in great style.

I thought this was interesting: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/21/adam-curtis-another-manager-of-perceptions/
>> No. 21221 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 12:58 pm
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>>21220
It's the same old shit pumped out by the time wasting left wing clickbait factories. Evil west out to get you, buy our t shirts and join da revolushun. I have been reading that sort of thing since 2003 and got bored of it by the time I was 20.
>> No. 21222 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 1:02 pm
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>>21221

Yes, your critical faculties certainly seem well honed.
>> No. 21223 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 1:23 pm
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>>21222
Not as well honed as your reliance on tedious written clichés apparently.
>> No. 21224 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 1:55 pm
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>>21223

Perhaps you ought to rely a little more on cliché yourself, when you try to do your own thinking you end up with 'sentences' like that.
>> No. 21225 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 2:08 pm
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>>21206
>Is one of his threads not that "nobody has any answers" though?

Yes but its a valid problem with his work. For example what little there is of a conclusion is fondly reminiscing the 1950-60s when politicians could "change the world for the better". I believe this is just where he decides to start things off but it highlights the problems that come about from his perspective even in just asking where you start with the statement that shit's fucked.

Maybe its just a problem of the medium, I've read similar authors who put the fucking of shit down to our very nature which he hints at but those are books.

>>21220
Rather than go through the problems of Cook's narrative I think its easier for all of us if I just point out that the Chilcot report was released quite recently and as a result its very reasonable for Curtis to have avoided discussing the Iraq War given his film (documentary?) was likely put together before its release.

I'm surprised Cook didn't realise this but then its an area of interest for him like R2P is for me. You can't make everyone happy, not least grumpy people on the internet.
>> No. 21226 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 4:34 pm
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>>21222
I don't think you understand the typical .gs user. This isn't about politics but rather how hipster they are with their opinions. As they are mostly jobbo student types, their social circles are left wing and they aim to rise above them by learning their opinions from facist imageboards. Adam Curtis being wrong or right doesn't matter, the important thing is how that poster could find factoids to support his projected personality type.

You should watch Century of the Self to understand what it is I'm on about.
>> No. 21227 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 5:13 pm
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>>21226

When I'm in the fallout shelter with my grandchildren, and one of them asks with two of her four mouths, "Granpa, just how the alt-right movement start anyway?". I'll turn to those lovable mutants and say, "well, y'see, before the the Event it was very important for some people to project an insufferable caricature of their invert selves online. It was very funny until they managed to elect this one guy..."
>> No. 21229 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 6:12 pm
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>>21227

That's it lad, keep deluding yourself that Hilary is the one less likely to start a nuclear war.

We live in a completely bonkers topsy turvy world my friend; George W. Bush Jr decommissioned 5,000 nuclear weapons compared to Barrack Obama's paltry 500. Strikes on civilian targets in the middle east have increased. But which one of these men do you see as a warmonger?

Donald Trump's claims of election rigging are true- He is the rig. You could get the people of the United States to democratically elect Adolf Hitler if you set him up to run against the earthly embodiment of Satan. In this way, the election of a maniac warhawk who poses a very real threat of ending civilisation itself will be legitimised as the right thing to do.

After all, a vote for Trump is a vote for a racist and a sexist. The red team is the only rational choice.
>> No. 21230 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 6:16 pm
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>>21226

>You should watch Century of the Self to understand what it is I'm on about.

I chortled.
>> No. 21233 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 6:44 pm
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>>21229

Yes, yes, thank you.
>> No. 21234 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:03 pm
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>>21229
>which one of these men do you see as a warmonger?
The one who started the war.
>> No. 21235 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:08 pm
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>>21234
I don't even understand your point any more, fascistlad. I mean... Are you even a fascist?
>> No. 21236 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:14 pm
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>>21235
I don't think I'm whoever you think I am, but for clarity's sake, no I'm not a fascist.
>> No. 21237 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:16 pm
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>>21226
I wasn't discussing Curtis. I was talking about the counterpunch bilge.

Hilarious that you decry some invented fault of .gs posters when you can't even be fucking cunted to pay the slightest bit of attention to what's right under your nose.
>> No. 21238 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:32 pm
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>>21234

Which war?
>> No. 21239 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 7:34 pm
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>>21238

MY WAAAAARRRR!
>> No. 21240 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 8:43 pm
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>>21238
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Bit of a long read ahead of you.
>> No. 21241 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 8:51 pm
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>>21240

Pfft, it wasn't a war. It was an intervention against Saddam Hussein and an effort to bring democracy to the people of Iraq. Have you been reading non-governmental sources, you pinko terrorist sympathizer?
>> No. 21244 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 10:56 pm
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>>21240

Ah, that war. But definitely not this war...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria

Or this war...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Right?
>> No. 21245 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 11:07 pm
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>>21241
What can we do? We brought democracy to Iraq, and the people decided democratically that they just couldn't live together.
>> No. 21246 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 11:16 pm
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>>21244
Hmmm, looks like you didn't even read the titles of those articles.
>> No. 21247 Anonymous
24th October 2016
Monday 11:22 pm
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>>21245
So... Accept ISIS as the will of the people?
>> No. 21251 Anonymous
25th October 2016
Tuesday 1:24 am
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>>21237
Which was discussing Curtis. Are you okay? You sound a little hurt, don't worry about it, I'm sure everyone else thinks you're still special. Just not me.
>> No. 21252 Anonymous
25th October 2016
Tuesday 7:58 am
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>>21251
>Which was discussing Curtis.

So? The

>Adam Curtis being wrong or right doesn't matter

comments were objectively stupid, because I didn't make any comments on Adam Curtis's film. I only commented on the Counterpunch article, which is the usual anti-western 'Putin is no worse than Tony Blair' bullshit that pinko rags have been pumping out for years.

There's a really boring habit of the sort of arrogant cunt that thinks they're a march ahead on the rest of mankind because they read Counterpunch and watched Fight Club on DVD. They get caught out, and then conduct panicked rearguard actions during their retreat, just like you right now. Sad!
>> No. 21254 Anonymous
25th October 2016
Tuesday 3:36 pm
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>>21252

>Sad!

I had no idea Donald Trump was capable of writing more than 140 characters in one go.
>> No. 21255 Anonymous
25th October 2016
Tuesday 5:10 pm
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>> No. 21256 Anonymous
25th October 2016
Tuesday 6:06 pm
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>>21255

Sad! Tremendously Sad!

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