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>>22367 Because it ruins his idea for a story, where Troy and Crusher are beamed down to a planet to provide medical aid and counselling to some stranded chaps, but get brutally gang raped.
>>22368 >Because it ruins his idea for a story, where Troy and Crusher are beamed down to a planet to provide medical aid and counselling to some stranded chaps, but get brutally gang raped.
You missed the part where the gang-rape takes 19 minutes.
Does anyone want to watch and rate TNG with me? I've just started season 6, they're all on Netflix.
I am disabled and have no friends so it would be much appreciated. I've been through and rated all of Voyager so we can discuss those, and I might re-watch and rate all of DS9.
>>22427 I'm just doing a TNG rewatch at the minute actually. I know every episode back to front but I've not actually seen the blu-ray edits before and I'm totally blown away by how bright and clear everything is.
I'd definitely be up for some kind of discussion (here or elsewhere) about any episode of Trek (except Discovery) whenever really. I have a lot of free time and I ate, slept and breathed my old VHS tapes of TNG in particular from as far back as I can remember.
Season 2 is creating yet more inaccuracies as far as canon is concerned - I wish CBS would just admit that it's a separate continuity instead of stubbornly insisting it's Prime Universe and randomly throwing in elements from TOS as if that fixes everything. Burnham is still the absolute worst character, I'm genuinely struggling to understand why she is still wearing a uniform when she is STILL regularly disobeying direct orders. Tilly is the only highlight for me, especially now she's put a bit more weight on, but even her appeal is waning. There's a rumour going around the show has been cancelled, I for one am hoping it's true. Star Trek? Shit Trek.
>>22538 Other than the spore drive being retarded, annoys me greatly, what else breaks canon? I'm struggling to think what you mean, but at a guess.
The Enterprise went on at least two 5 year missions before Kirk even set foot on board and Pike is the 3rd person to captain her, so it appearing is fine.
The event which altered Klingon DNA and made them all homogeneous hasn't happened yet, which is why they're so varied. Prime timeline Klingons do appear in the rear of several scenes in season one though.
Uh, mirror universe? Regardless, there has never been a series of Trek with a good Season 1. Hopefully it turns things around, as every other Trek has turned it around by the end of Season 2 and are well loved. Even Enterprise.
Spock never had an adopted human sister. Season 1 showed a 'D7 Battle Cruiser' which looks nothing at all like the established one from TOS, Season 2 trailer showed the ones from TOS so that's going to confuse things even more. Pike and co have shown upnin the red, blue and yellow uniform scheme whoch they shouldn't have at that time - Kirk, Spock and co still had the uniforms from The Cage in the firat Kirk episode. Discovery herself is wayyyy too big or advanced for a Starfleet ship of that era. I won't go on.
Honestly, for me at least, almost everything there is forgivable or ignorable. The one thing that isn't is the Discovery being so advanced. It's like watching Les Miserables but they keep stopping to check their smart phones, it simply doesn't gel.
This week, Captain Pike heroically threw himself on a Phaser set on overload AND LIVED. It should have blown a hole in his chest. Seriously, this show is a joke
I haven't been watching but that sounds like the writing has crossed the threshold of not just being insulting to the dedicated star trek fan but insulting to everyone.
I really liked this weeks episode of the Orville. Maybe it was just a rehash of when Data got a girlfriend but it explored the idea much further and I found it very touching how they went about it.
It could just be that I'm completely powerless over against a love-story though.
>>22546 Next week you'll make a discovery of just how bad things can really get. Then you'll remember the episode is a set-up to it's own spin-off series that you'll have to watch.
I didn't even mind the Space-Unitarians because at least the episode had some perspective to it and we got to see another crew member out of a bridge chair. There was even some mild pondering over ethical questions which more than forgives a nitpick about phaser explosions.
Ah yes, General Order One. Which actually ceased to apply the moment they discovered that the population were not indigenous to the planet and did have knowledge of technology, yet Pike and co were still trying to act like it still applied after that point.
>>22552 He doesn't try to be funny much and the show is generally much less about him than it is other characters, especially compared to family guy where he voices everyone.
He said it would be a comedy just because that was a requirement for him getting the show made. He really just wants to make tng and hired a load of the old writers.
I'm not a huge fan of Seth's solo work since I think he's a bit one-dimensional and is an amateurish director (A Million Ways to Die in the West was a mess) but the fact he's taken more of a back seat and made this out of affection gets me really interested. I too absolutely love TNG. Gonna give Orville a go, lads.
>>22551 I don't see why being native would change the calculation. The Prime Directive relates to pre-warp cultures which they had become a distinct example of and their knowledge was at that point a religious myth.
Obviously their culture had already been influenced to its core by contact with a (presumably) warp civilization but after hundreds of years does that change? And what could Discovery realistically do if it did decide to intervene somewhere so far removed from the Federation beside leave shed-loads of technology and let them have at it? I think it's a judgement call and Pike was right to play it safe.
I've watched the first and a bit of the second episodes of Discovery series two, and one of the most annoying, borderline maddening, things about the show is the perpetual, droning, epic soundtrack. Two people can be stood in a room talking and the music's still going on like they were dogfighting a whole fleet. This is part of a bigger problem the show has where it needs to make everything as kinetic and momentus as possible, but it just makes me feel complete sensory overload for whole episode, and undermines anything actually exciting that happens.
I assume from the complete lack of mention of the Picard trailer that everyone was as put off by all the the running, punching and young people as I was.
>>22823 When I heard it was about the Borg my expectations dropped massively, because that's the enemy that gives the writers and producers the biggest licence to make it about explosions and brainless action. Then I watched the trailer which appears to have some kind of blue tinged Borg cube in it, and lots of silly karate kicks; none of this changed my initial impressions for the better. I'm predicting lots of overacting and melodrama, just like Discovery, and some kind of "nano-Borg" or Borg evolution type plot. Borg 2.0! And much like Web 2.0, it will probably be really popular, but ultimately quite vapid and completely miss the point of the original thing. Checking the comments on the trailer was uniquely depressing, as most people still haven't wised up to the fact that Star Trek's been MIA for some time now, and the only dissenting opinions were coming from anti-SJW types whose only exposure to Star Trek seems to have been Picard Tommy Gunning a Borg that one time. But maybe not even that because there was a black lady stood right next to him. Maybe they just saw the .gif version, I think she's cropped out in that.
My favourite episode in all of TNG would probably be "I, Borg", because there's a lot of soul-searching, contrasting opinions and ambiguity. This new series looks like it could be borrowing elements from that, what with the girl who's both Hanna and the last pregnant woman from Children of Men, and maybe she's a kind of super-Borg or something, but I don't expect to be as thoughtful, exciting or dramatic as any of those things I mentioned. Picard himself looks like he could be a bit tacked on, relegated to saying "engage" and highlighting other TNG references, and I'm not especially looking forward to seeing Patrick Stewart act alongside a cast of LA yahoos whose characters are written with the emotional maturity of twelve year olds. People don't act like grown-ups with genuine personalities in too many TV shows right now, something that's going to stick out all the more in a world where humanity is supposed to be far closer to its apex than it is today. There ain't no Judge Rinder in the 24th century.
I know this post has more negativity than a suicide note, but I will watch the show with an open mind and hope for the best. I'm just so tired of seeing the same things in films and shows, and I don't just mean Star Trek media. Same spaceships, same sound design, same superheroes, same constumes; it's all so familiar to begin with and then some dafty exec decides test audiences will like it more if it's more like x and y. The cinematic universes are colliding and forming a cinematic stew! Someone call Jean-Luc out of retirement! Oh, wait.
>>22824 >Checking the comments on the trailer was uniquely depressing, as most people still haven't wised up to the fact that Star Trek's been MIA for some time now
I'm guessing "real" trekkies have their own communities where they're bitching about the same things you are, or simply pretending that these new additions aren't happening. Everyone getting excited about the new films/shows are just the same old consumerist drones with their Marvel t-shirts and funko pops getting excited about the latest thing that's still got the remnants of the "nerd" label as though they're part of some exclusive club.
>>22824 >Checking the comments on the trailer was uniquely depressing
That's just the nature of youtube comments isn't it? I think if you wanted to check the pulse on how Trekkies feel then RLM have been pretty consistent in pointing out what is wrong with the whole STD era. They even had a good idea of what a new Star Trek show should be:
I'm planning on doing my usual strategy of torrenting the show even though I have Netflix until I start seeing Star Trek.
>>22825 >Everyone getting excited about the new films/shows are just the same old consumerist drones with their Marvel t-shirts and funko pops getting excited about the latest thing that's still got the remnants of the "nerd" label as though they're part of some exclusive club.
Right the issue seems to be that what makes star trek, star trek isn't very vogue with marketing people. They assume people will immediately stop watching when you cover a topic maturely, with mature characters, (to them mature topics means talking about fucking and mature characters just means tits and bonking everywhere).
I guess we need to just put all of our faith in the Orville, the alternative is there, and handled much more lovingly. And if the Orville becomes a money spinner and out lasts all of their wizz bang tripe they might start copying it. (although I feel like the Picard show is their attempt to cash in on the obvious nostaligic sucess of the Orvile but looks like they missed the point of what people wanted anyway).
>>22827 >They assume people will immediately stop watching when you cover a topic maturely, with mature characters, (to them mature topics means talking about fucking and mature characters just means tits and bonking everywhere).
They're not wrong though. There's still a massive market for that sort of shite.
>>22827 Unfortunately Orville has lower viewing figures and season 3 will move to Hulu for 2020. While it will go on I'm a bit concerned that the show has just had its second office bonking debacle with Palicki and Grimes divorcing.
I think it was noticed that STD copied many cosmetic elements of Orville for season 2 but only on an extremely superficial level. I wouldn't hold out hope.
Yes but not everything should have the same elements. I like ben and Jerry's ice cream but that doesn't mean I want it as every meal and and that my pie and mash would be improved by making ice cream the filling.
>Right the issue seems to be that what makes star trek, star trek isn't very vogue with marketing people.
The ToS/TNG thing of one-off episodes doesn't really work today, but DS9 was massively ahead of its time in having complex plot arcs that spanned across series. I think the problem isn't Star Trek, but the Federation, especially the Alpha quadrant - it's just too shiny and utopian for contemporary tastes.
>The ToS/TNG thing of one-off episodes doesn't really work today,
It works fine. Rick and Morty that thing people spaff their pants over it. Doctor who is still going and they dont even have the resemblance of a coherent cannon.
What is more of a problem is the writers themselves said the well dried up. They played that format (not including dS 9 but including Enterprise which did have a season long arch) for 3 seasons of ToS, 2 of TAS, 7 of TNG, 7 STV and 4 STE 23 seasons most of which are 26 episodes each. They ran out of stories to tell that didn't feel like repeating themselves.
What is more an issue really is that they done want to make something with the tone of star trek as you put it. "it's just too shiny and utopian for contemporary tastes" I don't think it is, but I think marketing people and 'critics' think that it is. The only thing I can say is look at the orville there is clearly an audience for this sort of thing if someone can succeed in a version that doesn't even have the licence.
I'm sure today you could make TNG on what would essentially be a shoe string budget. Special effects have dropped massively in price. And 3d modeling and printing means bespoke props and prosthetics can be churned out for a lot less.
There is most certainly enough of a market to support 'that' show as long as they take the attitude that they aren't going to screen it on TV where it has to compete for ratings, but stream it.
The issue at the moment is that star trek is being used as the flagship product for a streaming service that has fuck all else so they feel it needs to have the whizzes and bangs that the retards want. The brand is being milked for familiarity at the cost of the value of the brand itself.
Even TNG had canon, Q stuff, Borg stuff, developing crew romances and relationships, it was all in the lore, despite the show not paying a huge amount of attention to it on a per-week basis.
If you think that is the first thing to ever violate previously established doctor Who lore then you have not been watching or not paying attention. It breaks and changes what was established previously constantly. Because no one on staff actually cares about preserving it and not contradicting it. They assume you will only have a vague memory of the beginning of a season and beyond that you will have forgotten. It will occasionally dredge up the cybermen or the daleks but all qualities other than their appearance won't matter and will probably change from episode to episode.
>It works fine. Rick and Morty that thing people spaff their pants over it. Doctor who is still going and they dont even have the resemblance of a coherent cannon.
They are both comedies to some degree - Rick and Morty is overtly a sitcom, while Doctor Who is at the very least camp and slightly self-parodying. We're used to sitcoms that just reset at the end of every episode, but we have higher expectations of serious drama due to the HBO/Netflix revolution.
>The only thing I can say is look at the orville there is clearly an audience for this sort of thing if someone can succeed in a version that doesn't even have the licence.
The Orville is just barely hanging on by its fingernails and will be very lucky to get a fourth season.
>I'm sure today you could make TNG on what would essentially be a shoe string budget. Special effects have dropped massively in price.
Expectations are higher these days; good TV is just inherently expensive to make. Killing Eve cost about £1m per episode and the last season of Game of Thrones cost $15m per episode.
Personally, I think there's loads of mileage in the Star Trek franchise that would work for contemporary audiences, they just require a bit of bravery. There are so many stories that aren't about ubermensch in pyjamas, so many bit-part species and planets facing struggles that don't involve epic space battles or the bloody Borg.
