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|>>|| No. 20925
I'm really looking forward to it, despite a couple of autistic bloggers crying about it. Not sure why such an over emotional reaction to a film is happening.
Really impressed with the way it's being marketed as well.
|>>|| No. 20926
>Really impressed with the way it's being marketed as well.
You're impressed by marketing?
|>>|| No. 20928
I think it's just someone picking on a "big" news story in the hopes they'll start a cunt off.
I'll bet that £20 I won yesterday that the OP actually hates the Ghostbusters film and has half a dozen sock accounts on social media just for moaning about it.
|>>|| No. 20930
I'm sure it's actually quite a fun blockbuster, but the clips on the adverts of the handsome but stupid Secretary bloke just make me imagine what would have happened if it was male ghostbusters with a ditzy blonde. Maybe that's the point, or I'm a disgusting offensive man apologist, I don't know.
|>>|| No. 20933
This film pisses off the type of person who shouts about "MEN ALSO GET RAPED" whenever rape is spoken about. I'm sure those kinds of men, and you too, would not mind a film with a ditzy blonde woman in it. In fact, you wouldn't even notice it.
|>>|| No. 20936
Its fun/scary not giving a fuck about ghostbusters so I can watch this unfold from the sidelines. >>20929 gives a good link to see what is going on when you compare some of the 'top critics' and how reviews seem to be decided by who they are writing for.
The consensus among well regarded critics however is absolutely savage:
Ditzy blondes of either sex can be done right. The TV show Ideal is a good example of this with Jenny where initially she is a shit side character but then comes the point where she brings tears to your eyes.
Not taking a side either way just pointing out that with good writing it can be an effective character that we can all relate to at points.
|>>|| No. 20937
I've been rewatching Ideal and I'd just like to register my love for Jenny's character, even from the first series. I think her lines most often have me howling in laughter. I'm interested as to why you think she starts out as a "shit side character".
|>>|| No. 20938
I'm of the firm belief any misogynistic campaigning against this film/controversy is purely the creation of the films PR team.
This film was never going to live up when directly compared to the original, but if you turn seeing it into a crusade for feminism, suddenly all objective assessment goes out the window, and you have the critic for time magazine telling people it is their moral duty to see it. https://archive.is/VtCm2
|>>|| No. 20939
No, I'd definitely notice a ditzy blonde in this day and age, and summarily roll my eyes at it. No real difference in reaction, except knowing people will defend the male version because triggers.
|>>|| No. 20940
When you have Ghostbusters fans of 20+ years saying "I want nothing to do with this mess", you know something is very wrong. It can't all be misogyny; Ghistbusters is one of those BIG pop culture legends - it's far more likely that people just didn't want to see it rebooted at all. Can you imagine the uproar if they remade Back to the Future?
I see China's bizarre movie censorship rules have prevented it being released in China...that's going to hurt their Box Office numbers. Isn't China like the second biggest market for cinema releases?
|>>|| No. 20941
>except knowing people will defend the male version because triggers
Isn't it more likely that the people will defend the original on the basis that it was a clever, funny movie starring three of the biggest names in American comedy at that time and that it was an unexpected smash hit phenomenon which went in to spawn a franchise and become an 80s pop culture icon? Nahhh, surely it can't be any of that.
Seriously....the fact that they were four guys was just incidental. It wasn't deliberate, it wasn't making an issue. It's only since they made the reboot and made a big deal of the all-female team that gender has actually become an issue in a franchise where it wasn't previously an issue. I mean yeah okay Paul Feig is trying to even things out for women in Hollywood and I think that's great, but making a fuss over something no-one ever made a fuss over is only going to hurt the cause, not help it. Ghostbusters was never referred to as 'the all male Ghostbusters' until Feig made this reboot. Why couldn't it be a mixed team? The fact is that he's made the team all-female to make some sort of statement. Trouble is he has three white girl scientists and a shouty sassy black girl who is 'street smarts'not a scientist - that's racist stereotyping. Plus every man in the film is portrayed as either a total idiot or a complete asshole. Hemsworth is total moron whom the team hire as a secretary based solely on his looks, the second he turns up for the interview. They defeat the final boss by shooting him in the dick. It's all very well accusing fans of sexism and misogyny but the fact is this film largely comes off as big FUCK YOU MEN - it is guilty of sexism and misandry, as well as racism, but this is somehow okay 'because feminism'? smh
|>>|| No. 20943
Not him, but I make noise for how both are portrayed when it's obviously fucking stupid. Believe it or not, a lot of people aren't one or the other on this issue.
|>>|| No. 20944
>>20943 This. Portraying women positively is brilliant. If you're portraying women positively whilst deliberately portraying men in a shitty manner, then you're not solving anything - you are part of the problem, you are perpetuating the very issues you claim to be trying to eliminate.
|>>|| No. 20948
When I said "defend the male version" I meant "defend the male version of the ditzy blonde" which is directly and singularly what I was talking about. Well done for fully ignoring that to launch your own speech, though.
|>>|| No. 20950
Allot of her lines were just tedious. Like the one where Moz tells her he only sells weed and hash so she goes and starts asking him if he has various letters he can sell her.
Yes that is the joke but it felt like they were just extending the running time.
>Portraying women positively is brilliant.
Not too brilliantly of course. Female characters should have flaws and I think there has been some laziness in writing where women are just portrayed as either too-highly strung or having martyr complexes as their only issues.
In reality its really jarring when tv shows have great characters playing against 2d characters of either sex who never come across as human beings.
|>>|| No. 20951
I saw it last night. It's not good. The vast majority of comedies aren't so that's no real shocker. But it certainly is nowhere near as good as the original (which I wasn't even that fond of) and none of the performances held a candle to the original cast.
The whole "people hate it because women" thing probably has some merit, but 1) people would have hated ANY Ghostbusters remake because remakes are almost always shit and 2) plenty of female lead comedies come out without getting any kind of negative attention so it's not just "they're women" but "they're arbitrarily changing the old male characters in to females" which is nothing but true.
|>>|| No. 20953
It's not their censorship rules that have forestalled its release, though. It's the fact that neither of the previous two Ghostbusters films were released in China either, so the franchise essentially means nothing to the Chinese - most of them haven't even heard of it. It's pretty certain that Sony pictures will have accounted for it not being released theatrically in China already. As it stands, all indicators are that it'll easily break the $50 million opening weekend BO target.
|>>|| No. 20954
I'm really impressed with the marketing to, such an unexpected saturation, train stations, publicly funded news providers, obscure image boards.
|>>|| No. 20955
Do your research. The reason why this one isn't being released (as indeed the original two weren't) is because China does not allow movies involving ghosts, spirits etc.
|>>|| No. 20956
It sounds wonderful. I'm packing up and heading to this atheist utopia on the other side of the Himalayas right away.
|>>|| No. 20959
Why do you imagine that the previous Ghostbusters movies weren't released in China? You're both right.
|>>|| No. 20960
It is pretty fucking bad, but not in a laughable way. It's just very shit. It's one of those films where you keep glancing at your watch a lot, it feels very, very long.
|>>|| No. 20961
The whole Chinese cultural thing with ghosts and spirits is fascinating, even secular types are into it. My best paid exorcisms have been with Chinese people.
|>>|| No. 20965
When I do exorcisms, Chinese people tend to make larger donations than others. Donations are voluntary, but it feels like payment. Not sure why that was unclear earlier.
|>>|| No. 20966
>I do exorcisms
I want you to know even though I have never met you. I think you are a charlatan and I hate you.
|>>|| No. 20968
Don't be so judgemental lad, he might not be a charlatan, just a honest to goodness
crazy person deluded fool religious nutjob.
I can't decide if I have more respect for a charlatan than a God botherer, come to think of it.
|>>|| No. 20969
He's doing God's work by relieving stupid people of the money that burdens them.
|>>|| No. 20970
Only stupid cunts believe in the fucking made up god that they're too fucking stupid to realise it's all fucking made up.
|>>|| No. 20972
Great, now you're going to start a religion cunt-off where some other cunt comes along and smugly points out how bigoted modern athiesm supposedly is with your post as the proof.
|>>|| No. 20975
Just so this thread does actually have something funny in it, here's something made a few years ago by a great bunch of lads to go out on the lash with.
|>>|| No. 20980
Months, literally months, of endless stupid web-wide cunt-offs, and for what? Another mediocre American "comedy" where the punchline to every single joke is either "fart noise" or shouting. Imagine what could have been achieved if those man hours had been spent doing literally bugger all else? Even if they'd been used to dig a big hole at least then we could put a fence around it and keep all the morons who picked a side in this mind boggling cyber shitfest down there.
I fucking hate the Yanks. Why don't they hurry up and shoot themselves into extinction already?
|>>|| No. 20982
I haven't really been following it, but it was/is really annoying how it popped up in the weirdest of places. I suppose this is a future now, what with our telecommunication, there will always be cunt-offs about fuck-all.
|>>|| No. 20983
Don't marginalize the women who contributed to the shitshow with your sexist language you mansplaining shitlord.
|>>|| No. 21001
I'm tempted to go see it just to spite the bellends.
|>>|| No. 21003
>>21001 Do it, it's actually a pretty fun movie if you don't go with any preconceptions or baggage, or are a raging impotent misogynist. The Kate McKinnon character's a real show stealer, and the effects are pretty awesome.
|>>|| No. 21004
Wait until you can pirate it, it's not worth it. Nothing to do with the politics surrounding it, it's just one of those tiresomely predictable average comedies. I laughed about twice as much watching the new Independence Day, and that wasn't even meant to be funny for the most part.
If you''re the sort of person who can happily watch multiple episodes of The Big Bang Theory without wondering what the fuck you are doing with your life then maybe you'd enjoy it.
|>>|| No. 21005
So you can't dislike films with female leads or you're a misogynist?
|>>|| No. 21008
>>21005 No-one said that, teenladm8. What you got there is a propositional fallacy.
Not everyone who dislikes the film is a misogynist. But misogynists won't like the film.
|>>|| No. 21013
I wouldn't be surprised, judging from what I saw of him in the Half in the Bag posted in this thread, but what I also learnt from that is that he is a total mentalist, so we can easily disregard his opinion (and his film) as worth our time.
Or maybe they just want to watch a silly film about ghosts without getting involved in all the politics?
|>>|| No. 21037
I felt a great disturbance in the thread, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in a cunt off and were suddenly silenced.
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