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>> No. 23326 Anonymous
8th November 2020
Sunday 8:14 pm
23326 Pepe the Frog: Feels Good Man
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000nwrq

This is a BBC4 Storyville documentary on the background and evolution of Pepe the Frog. It's done in a very straight, documentary way, but is a fascinating look at what becomes a meme, but also NEET culture and the people who make up 4chan.

I found it interesting.
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>> No. 23327 Anonymous
8th November 2020
Sunday 11:02 pm
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Oh so that's what REEEEEE means. Wonder what else this doc will teach me.
>> No. 23328 Anonymous
8th November 2020
Sunday 11:25 pm
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Ah, I knew 'kek' was WoW's wordfilter for lol, but I didn't know there was an Egyptian frog-headed god named Kek. I don't know why the doc explains the latter but not the former.
>> No. 23329 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 6:13 am
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>>23328

There's a bit of dispute about the etymology of kek. WoW does filter lol to kek, but the origin might also have been from Starcraft - the Korean equivalent of "ha ha ha" as a representation of laughter is "ke ke ke".
>> No. 23330 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 6:31 am
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>>23329
Warcraft's filter is precisely because of that - the horde doing a zerg rush thing.
>> No. 23331 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 9:52 am
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>>23326
I always thought that the claim that Pepe was a hate symbol was down to how the American left had such a weak meme game, and had no sense of humour. So anything they didn't understand was cast as a hate symbol.

Not sure why but it does seem that the 'alt-right' had much more effective memes than the left. The left's attempt at memes reminded me of when Americans try to chant at 'soccer' games.
>> No. 23332 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:03 am
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>>23331
But Matt Furie, who made Pepe, is clearly left wing. The alt right just hijacked Pepe, they didn't meme him in the first place.
>> No. 23333 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:13 am
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>>23332
Pepe the Frog made Matt Furie.
>> No. 23334 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:14 am
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>>23332
Oh, i know. The use of Pepe was generally neutral for several years until maybe 2014/2015 when it was weaponised by parts of 4chan to try to get Trump elected (for a laugh, obviously). There were several other very popular (and quite funny) memes that came out of that time.

It just doesn't seem like the left had any popular memes. Possibly because the Trump campaign seemed so wildly unlikely to end in presidency, and being so counter-culture and off-piste often brings a community together. And then the memes further bring people together. (i am blathering a bit here)
>> No. 23335 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:25 am
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>>23331
>I always thought that the claim that Pepe was a hate symbol was down to how the American left had such a weak meme game

Did you watch the documentary? It specifically goes into people like Richard Spencer and Alex Jones trying to claim Pepe as theirs, and why, and Matt Furie getting legal help to bat them down. I found the programme much more interesting (and better) than I would have thought.
>> No. 23336 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:27 am
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>>23334
>It just doesn't seem like the left had any popular memes
Except for Pepe, you mean? You're just no-true-Scotsmanning here.
>> No. 23337 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:43 am
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Holy shit, shut the fuck up.
>> No. 23338 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:47 am
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>>23336
I don't see how it can ever be claimed as a left-wing meme. The cartoonist may be left-wing but it was clearly apolitical until it was co-opted.
>> No. 23339 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:48 am
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>>23338
Then 99% of memes are apolitical as they lack any explicit political content and you're just claiming them as right wing for some reason.
>> No. 23340 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:53 am
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>>23339

Pepe started off as an apolitical meme, was co-opted by the right and became a right-wing meme. This isn't complicated stuff.
>> No. 23341 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:54 am
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>>23340
Check out this apolitical meme.
>> No. 23342 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:54 am
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>>23339
Pepe was co-opted by the right. Is this even up for debate?
>> No. 23343 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:56 am
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>>23342
>Is this even up for debate?
Judging from the context of the conversation, no, nobody is trying to debate that.
>> No. 23344 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:57 am
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>>23343
So we're just playing silly buggers rhen? Got it.
>> No. 23345 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 10:59 am
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>>23344
You seem to be.
>> No. 23346 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 11:07 am
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>>23345
NO U
>> No. 23347 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 11:24 am
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>>23341

The swastika was a common religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, until some naughty Germans decided to nick it. I don't know why you're struggling to understand the basic concept of visual symbols taking on different meanings based on how they're used.
>> No. 23348 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 11:50 am
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>>23347
If the original Pepe was apolitical while still coming from the left wing authorial intent of Furie, then it has to be apolitical due to the lack of an overtly political message in the image itself. Common Pepes also do not contain overtly political messages, they're simply Pepes. So they're apolitical.
The swastika still is a common religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, based on how it's used.
I'm not struggling with that at all. The problem is you're inferring the intent behind every Pepe, Apu and Honkler. Which is obviously incorrect as they're sometimes used to mean other things, for example people innocently use Apu when they're feeling infantile, or Pepe as a symbol of anti-authoritarianism, or Honkler to illustrate you being wrong.

Not to mention that the thesis statement is "The left can't meme" and not "The left can't political meme"; Matt Furie meme'd, Matt Furie is left, therefore the left meme'd. The meme itself being political or not is irrelevant.
>> No. 23349 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 11:58 am
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Clearly once Pepe as a symbol was adopted by the alt-right, it became immutable and all Pepes in every context are now solely used by them. I don't know why you're struggling to understand the basic concept of visual symbols not taking on different meanings based on how they're used. Check out all these white supremacists.
>> No. 23350 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 12:11 pm
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This thread feels like a sneaky attempt at getting around the ban on pepe memes. Well played!

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 23351 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 12:15 pm
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>>23350
The bit in the programme on Pepecash did kind of blow my mind. Also, the cryptobro was a wanker from central casting.
>> No. 23352 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 12:50 pm
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Fucking hell everyone posting in this thread needs to watch the documentary. It explicitly references everything everyone is talking about. Yes the history of the character is discussed. Yes the ambiguity of its meaning is discussed. Yes Hong Kong is discussed. Shut up and watch it.
>> No. 23353 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 12:54 pm
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>>23351
>Also, the cryptobro was a wanker from central casting.
This is a fair characterisation of cryptobros in general.
>> No. 23354 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 1:08 pm
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>>23352
What's next, do you want us to read beyond headlines too?
>> No. 23355 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 1:14 pm
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I keep hiding this shitheap and it shows up regardless. Brilliant.
>> No. 23356 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 1:34 pm
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>>23355
If you're on Firefox the only way to hide threads is to block the element with uBlock. Hiding threads on Firefox has been broken for months now, unfortunately.
>> No. 23357 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 1:43 pm
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>>23352
i started this argument before watching (>>23331 and >>23334 were me) and i must say that after watching it does actually explain a lot! so fair enough.

also a song they used early on - living in hell by cobra man - is an absolute banger so thanks for that.
>> No. 23358 Anonymous
9th November 2020
Monday 2:16 pm
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>>23356
Thank you and goodbye.

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