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>> No. 22480 Angela
18th July 2014
Friday 10:08 pm
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Should Volkswagen really buy Chrysler from Fiat?
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>> No. 22481 Cockernay
18th July 2014
Friday 11:08 pm
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It depends on the price. Most of the value in the Chrysler marque is the brand (mainly in terms of the Chinese market) and using the dealer network to make inroads into the US.

There are rumours that VAG want the Fiat, Alfa and Chrysler marques, which I think is riskier but makes more sense. VAG are experts at platform-sharing, so they could cover a huge international market with just a handful of platforms and a small pool of parts, giving a huge competitive advantage in terms of economies of scale. There is of course the risk of brand dilution, but Lamborghini and Bentley seem to be relatively untarnished by their forays into the VAG parts bin.
>> No. 22482 Britfag
19th July 2014
Saturday 12:48 am
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>>22481
VAG seems to be sucking up everything...
>> No. 22483 Raoul
19th July 2014
Saturday 12:59 am
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>>22480
Yes! For great is the car with power steering and dynaflow suspension.
>> No. 22484 Cockernay
19th July 2014
Saturday 3:01 am
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There's really someone who knows something about anything on .gs.
>> No. 22485 Gazza
19th July 2014
Saturday 7:24 am
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Don't VW end up making most of their cars the same? I mean, a VW Polo, a Seat Ibiza and a Skoda Fabia are effectively the same car once you get past the superficial differences.
>> No. 22486 Porridgewog
19th July 2014
Saturday 7:31 am
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>>22485

General Motors do this too. It's pretty common.
>> No. 22487 Fairy
19th July 2014
Saturday 9:35 am
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>>22485
See also: Citroen C1 / Toyota Aygo / Peugeot 108
>> No. 22488 Raoul
19th July 2014
Saturday 10:51 am
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>>22487
All made in the same factory in Czech.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Peugeot_Citro%C3%ABn_Automobile_Czech

The Czechs probably have a better car industry than us. I know we have sports cars, Land Rovers and other niche cars but since Rover went tits up I don't think we have a domestic mass-market car company like they do with Skoda.
>> No. 22489 Wastelander
19th July 2014
Saturday 12:56 pm
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>>22488
Not British owned, no. These things increasingly matter less and less though. The only real value having it owned by the British is that they're more likely to establish operations here. Not a lot more to be honest.

Aston Martin is still predominantly British, as is McLaren, Bentley and Rolls Royce motors are now German. Lotus is Malaysian.
>> No. 22496 Raoul
19th July 2014
Saturday 4:59 pm
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>>22489
>These things increasingly matter less and less though.

COURSE IT FUCKING MATTERS. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE YANKS GOT THEIR HANDS ON CADBURY; PAYING MORE FOR AN INFERIOR PRODUCT. THEY'VE NOW CHANGED MULTIPACKS SO IT'S 3 FOR 99P INSTEAD OF 4, THE MONEY GRABBING SHOWER OF BASTARDS.
>> No. 22497 Fairy
19th July 2014
Saturday 5:01 pm
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>>22496
That didn't happen because it wasn't owned by the British though. It happened because they realised they could extract more money by doing that, something Cadbury failed to do.
>> No. 22498 Cockernay
19th July 2014
Saturday 5:04 pm
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>>22485

A fairly large part of the cost of any car is the up-front cost of design and of setting up a production line. Launching a new family car can cost the best part of £500m before you've even built a single production vehicle. Platform sharing (using the same basic design for many different models) is vital in the modern motor industry, by spreading that up-front cost across more vehicles sold. You also make big gains in terms of distribution and servicing, because the same spare parts can be used across many different cars.

For example, (excluding the i series) BMW only really make four cars, they just dress them up differently - one Mini platform, a small car (1/X1/2/3 series) a large car (4/5/6/7 series and Rolls Royce) and their crossover SUVs. The only real difference between the cars in each group are the bodyshells, interior trim and some minor component changes to adjust ride height, with the mechanicals underneath being essentially identical. They plan to consolidate that to just two platforms by 2017. BMW have many technology-sharing deals with other companies - selling engine packages to smaller manufacturers, swapping engine and electronics technology with Mercedes and so on.

VAG's big plan is to move to a single mega-platform for the majority of their cars. The MQB platform will provide the underpinnings for the next models of Polo, Beetle, Golf, Scirocco, Jetta, Tiguan, Touran, Sharan and Passat, all Skodas and Seats, and all front-wheel-drive Audis. They have figured out some very clever tricks to allow them to build cars of different wheelbase and track on the same production line.

Three other platforms will cover the rest of the range - NSF for very small city cars, MLB for front-engined Audis, Porsches and Bentleys, and MSB for mid- and rear-engined Porsches and Lamborghinis (and the Audi R8). Within the next five years, all VAG cars except the XL1 and the Veyron should be based on those four platforms. This is the main reason why buying up lots of brands would make sense for them - they could launch a completely new range for a brand at minimal cost, thanks to the flexibility of their platforms.
>> No. 22499 Fairy
19th July 2014
Saturday 5:11 pm
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>>22498
Very interesting. Manufacturing logistics are fascinating, ever possible step taken to increase efficiency and reduce costs.

DON'T THINK BRITISH LEYLAND WOULD BE QUITE SO SMOOTH.

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