>>22790

We don't bite, Krautlad, honest. You could have made this in /nom/ or posted the recommendation in one of the beer threads there and we'd have had a lovely chat.

I'll see if they ship it to the UK and try some of it.

What's so good about it?

Cheers Krautlad, will keep an eye out for it next time I'm in a fancy pub or specialist offie.

I'm trying to think of nice British stouts/porters now but I'm really shit at remembering names. Old Peculiar is quite nice from what I remember. I'm sure some other chaps will be a bit more knowledgeable. People always tend to think of Guinness when talking porter but there are loads of much nicer stout type dark beers out there.

International beer thread?

>>22793

Good stouts and porters are so bloody hard to find.

You can go to just about any supermarket in the country and pick up a decent pale-ale, even a lot of the own-branded stuff isn't that bad.

But dark beers though, there just doesn't seem to be much of a market for them, which is a real shame.

There are a lot of smaller breweries making good ones, but they're harder to find.


Sadlers mud city stout is a great beer, and one of the easier ones to get hold of. In the midlands at least, it can sometimes be found in co-ops.

However my favouritest of all are the beers sold by the Beowulf brewery in staffordshire. I particularly recommend their dragon smoke stout and finns hall porter.
I had three local outdoors selling their beers in walking distance when I lived in Birmingham. Sadly I now live a 15 minute drive away from their brewery and I haven't found anywhere selling it. Their is the option of visiting them and buying a case of 12, but that doesn't really seem an option at the moment because I'm only going through 1 or 2 bottles every month.

>>22794
Oh cunting fuck I've gone and used the wrong there.
I can't be cocking arsed to delete it and repost the wanking thing. Sorry.

>>22793
>Old Peculiar
Hate the stuff and all its ilk, but for the record it's "Old Peculier".

Without wanting to hipster this thread up too much, Black Tokyo Horizon is actually really nice. A collaboration beer between BrewDog, Danish Mikkeller and Norwegian Nøgne Ø, the name is a portmanteau of each of their own stout beers.

BrewDog's Tokyo* is really nice but takes a fair old time to get through. My mate recommends making a float out of it with some vanilla ice cream to take the edge off, but that just divides opinion even further. I've not tried either of the other two stouts that go into the Black Tokyo Horizon shitmix, but endeavour to.

This one tastes like bacon.

>>22799

But for me, cans of Lowenbrau are about as hip as it gets.

I was considering trying to homebrew a helles once upon a time, but given the difficulty I had finding the correct hops, and the fact that I use malt extract. I am sure that that would count as heresy in Germany.

>>22797
>BrewDog
I've had the displeasure of dealing with some of their employees. They make very good beer, don't get me wrong, but the zealotry displayed by them matched early 2000 hard core Linux advocates and even approached Scientology levels. Skilled cunts, basically.

>>22801

Yeah, you hit the nail right on the head.

I have an equity card that gives me 5% off all purchases for life (10% on the website; I've probably already recouped my investment), but it doesn't seem too much use when I dislike the branded bars, clientele and staff so much. Especially the Camden one.

The staff Leeds bar are ok, but the clients just strike me as obnoxious snobs. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge beer snob who travels a long way to go to destination pubs and refuses to drink lager, but I don't wear it on my sleeve and preach to others at all. God, I fucking hate hipsters.

Dear OP,

I am mightily impressed with both the Köstritzer Schwarzbier and (imho excellent) Radeberger Pilsner from the Ostzone. I quite enjoyed the various iterations of Landskron from the lovely, architecturally rich border town of Görlitz.
Ossi beer is best beer.

>>22802

Brewdog manage to combine the worst aspects of hipster snobbery and CAMRA snobbery. I think that they might be the most tedious people on earth.

>>22804

All true, but it sadly doesn't invalidate the fact that the cunts can brew.

Brewdog bars are a thing? What are they like? The only brewdog beer that I can buy in my city is the punk IPA, and I really don't think it taste that great.

>>22951
I didn't get that particularly good of an impression, as someone described; skilled cunts. Yes, you will find something you like, yes you will pay through the nose for it, yes they are snobby twunts about it.

The particular one in Notts is quite representative of the "fuck it, we're the best" culture that runs through it, so much so that urinal pipes are labelled with generic beers like Fosters or Budweiser. Now, I don't mind a bit of banter, but to each his own - sure they are piss water, but you're not above anyone else selling/brewing fermented starch.

>>22953

The thing is I don't really have a particular favourite, I just enjoy drinking new beers and trying things out. Mostly likely because when I was a teenlad, me and my lads could only get our hands on generic brands like carlsberg and WKD from passing strangers who happen to be on their merry little way to the co-op. That being said I guess I am a fan of dark ales if I have to say. But from your description I can see them hating me already.

And dear god, they could at least act professional and civil with their rivalry.

>>22954

They are acting professionally. It's their business plan. To be the postmodern punks of the brewing scene: 'Fuck the normies, fuck the casuals and we do what we want'.

There's nothing wrong with that in-and-of itself. It was a real breath of fresh air originally. The independent ale scene is so fucking incestuous. It's like a mini-Masons organisation. The same landlords are in bed with the same brewers in every town, and they divvy up everything (business regional awards, prizes etc) between them with. Newcomers often get frozen out or ignored if they represent a threat to the established businesses. To come into that and just stick up two fingers to the old-mens-club mentality was really awesome. They didn't try and get their beer on the bars by following the arcane rules, but by only making exciting beer.

My only problem with brewdog (and I say this as someone with equity in the company and a huge love for their beers) is that it's just as cliquey and tribal as the hardcore CAMRA twats are. It's that dumb hypocracy you see with goths - forming a group who's main identity is rebellion and opposition, and defining yourself into a neat group exactly by objecting to 'normal' groups.

There's also the problem that keg beer is far worse than cask too. In every situation.

>>22955
>They are acting professionally.

I'm not sure about that, I understand the bar staff are hip and young, and "with it" etc., but there is an undertone of arrogance about it. Then to top it off, the prices are not justifiable at all.

>>22955
hypocrisy*

You also just summed up my feelings on CAMRA and Brewdog rather splendidly. I don't even like Brewdog's beers that much, but the insular nature of both groups is fucking poison to welcoming new blood into the fold of ale appreciation.

>>22959>>22955

Never knew CAMRA were such arsehole towards newcomers. I always assumed they were jolly beardy weirdies who were happy to help new breweries to walk on their hind legs.

>>22962

CAMRA as a national concept are exactly as you described. They are a good bunch, their aims are noble/valuable and they go about achieving them with a fair rate of success. I wouldn't knock them. But as with all hobbies, when you get down to nuts-and-bolts they are just as bitchy and pathetic as any group of humans.

But if you get down to regional level - say the CAMRA branch for just Leeds or Sheffield - where they have a small publication, regional awards and they make Good Beer Guide recommendations, then things become really incestuous. I was involved in organising a few big festivals and saw behind the curtain a bit at local prominent pubs. There is just blatant cronyism and nepotism about prize-winners, shit pubs can get Good Beer Guide status (a very big thing) and good ones can get frozen out of the clique. At festival competitions the judges are best pals with the brewers. All this kind of stuff.

In big picture terms none of this is important, but going back to the original point, it was beautiful to see BrewDog come into the scene and just tell everyone to fuck off. That they weren't going to bend over backwards to follow the ridiculous social norms and etiquette and just let the beer speak for itself. Rather than wheeling and dealing to get their brews into competitions or to big festivals, they spurn the whole scene.

>>22963
>But if you get down to regional level - say the CAMRA branch for just Leeds or Sheffield - where they have a small publication, regional awards and they make Good Beer Guide recommendations, then things become really incestuous. I was involved in organising a few big festivals and saw behind the curtain a bit at local prominent pubs. There is just blatant cronyism and nepotism about prize-winners, shit pubs can get Good Beer Guide status (a very big thing) and good ones can get frozen out of the clique. At festival competitions the judges are best pals with the brewers. All this kind of stuff.
So, basically, #BeerGate?

The Brewdog pub in Camden is expensive but it's not a whole lot worse than other London pubs in the area. I'd rather pay fiver for a properly decent pint than four quid for shit carling or something.

>>22966

Fucking how much? What is the price of the likes of Peroni if Carling is that expensive?

>>22966
>fiver for a pint
Get to fuck.

>>22967
>>22968
It's Landaan m9 what do you expect?

>>22969

Carling is 2.10 ish a pint in 'spoons up norf.

>>22970
You can get better lager for 50p a pint in the poorest eastern european countries. Prices depend on location shocker.

>>22970
That is presumably how people up there cope.

What are the chances! Just had that in a pub today. Was pretty nice as well.

Also what is your thoughts on weihenstephan?

>>23089
Delicious.

Miss walking around Berlin with a 1 euro bottle in hand.

>>23098

They sell them in Asda if you ever want to buy it again