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New mid-week thread.
I've got the feeling I was meant to look something up but I can't remember what and it's bugging me.
|>>|| No. 428893
I got complimented today for my framed Matrix movie poster in my livingroom by a 20something British Gas hipsterlad who was here to have a look at my boiler to get it repaired. He said, "Oh, you like vintage sci fi?"
I bought that poster and the frame as a younglad pretty much around the time part 1 came out, and it has been a constant in every one of my livingrooms ever since. And there was actually a time when friends asked me if I didn't want to take down that tacky poster, seeing as the sequels were such a disappointment and the movie was generally dated.
Kind of a strange feeling when somebody like 20something boilerlad who could barely have a poo on his own in 1999 now considers it a "vintage movie" and thinks it's a cool thing to have in your livingroom.
|>>|| No. 428894
I was 9 when it came out and I certainly wouldn't call it vintage. He must have been barely scraping into his 20s or just not know what vintage means.
I'd say you've got to go back at least as far as the 70s before you can start to call it vintage. I'm going to say Alien will have to be the cut-off point.
|>>|| No. 428895
I didn't ask him his age, but my guess was that boilerlad was in his early to mid 20s. Seemed about right, from his appearance.
> I'm going to say Alien will have to be the cut-off point
I would go as far as counting in part 2. 1986 was 33 years ago, mind.
But yeah, I would call the first Matrix movie a classic at best. Vintage doesn't feel right for it yet as a description. But I guess in your early 20s, you're not fully clued into those finer points yet.
|>>|| No. 428896
I remember the Turner Classic Movies channel playing Nightmare on Elm Street in the early 2000s and I disapproved because it was only from the 80s.
|>>|| No. 428897
For every generation, "vintage" means "before I was born" and "classic" means "the stuff I grew up with".
|>>|| No. 428898
I wasn't alive when the original star wars movies came out, I wouldn't have thought about them as vintage, but recently I have started to.
I think the key detail is how things have changes around them in comparison and varies from medium to medium.
Music (back when I listened to the radio at least), had a shelf life of about 2 years before it was considered old. A house can go passed 60 years before we consider it so, a pub better have been built in at least the 19th century.
What dates sci-fi more than other things is the world within them, and how that technology matches up with the modern world (we can no longer relate to the idea of being stuck in the year 1999 and that automatically dates it). I will grant you it is a little weird to hear it from an adult the matrix, but something like back to the future HAS to be vintage now given it settings.
I think the other details are more subtler, stories are told differently now by Hollywood. something like the matrix probably looks like a quaint character piece to a generation that grew up watching the Michael Bay transformers, with it's gaudy visuals that over ride all other aspects of the film. I certainly know when I re-watched the terminator the other day it felt strangely quaint and understated.
|>>|| No. 428899
I think the big watershed for sci fi was the Digital Revolution from the mid-90s, both in the way it influenced sci-fi storylines and in terms of special effects. One of the earliest examples was The Lawnmower Man from 1992, as well as to a lesser extent the Terminator 2 movie. The Lawnmower Man was lauded for its computer graphics, although they look very pedestrian now even compared to Terminator 2 (I think The Lawnmower Man was done on a humble Amiga 3000 workstation).
Both films feature some concept of global computer networks, but it wasn't until the mid-90s with movies like The Net starring Sandra Bullock that the newly emerged world wide web was enough of a common-knowledge concept to carry a whole movie premise from beginning to end.
The Matrix wasn't really groundbreaking in that respect, and other than giving us Bullet Time, all the Wachowski brothersisters did was that they latched onto a whole smorgasboard of ideas that were floating about in popular culture at the time and cooked them down into something that appeared like a whole new idea.
Even the idea of Skynet changed over the course of the Terminator installments. In part 1, it was more an abstract concept. In part 2, Skynet was a military computer network that became self aware, and by part 3, Skynet had infiltrated the open Internet as we knew it by then.
So yeah, I think vintage sci fi is really more films that came out before the Digital Revolution.
|>>|| No. 428902
>the sequels were such a disappointment and the movie was generally dated
The sequels I can understand, but I calling it dated feels weird. That's like saying Terminator 2 or Aliens felt dated by the end of the 90s, when they're both still classic action films. Your pals are rubbish.
|>>|| No. 428909
I think it's dated in that it's no longer as culturally relevant as it was for a number of years. The whole kind of Matrix chique, certain styles of clothing and sunglasses in particular as well as general aesthetics, that was something that was hot shit when it happened, but then the whole visual media imitated and emulated it, and kind of rode the Matrix's idiosyncratic tropes to death.
It did define the late nineties and early noughties, but it just really feels like that moment in time has passed. Pop culture has moved on, as has most of sci fi.
|>>|| No. 428913
I had to venture outside London for a couple of days and I've had to book an emergency session with my psychiatrist for the PTSD I now have from being exposed to so many friendly and open English people.
|>>|| No. 428914
Films like The Matrix and Fight Club really fuck me up to watch nowadays, not only because I grew up with them, but because I now realise how influential stuff like that was on who I am and how I see the world. That and a steady diet of Command and Conquer and X Files. Men in black, UFOs, cryptids and shady government dealings. Don't trust the man. That's just my entire personality in a nutshell and it stings to confront it.
I just feel deeply mournful, somehow, when I consider that so did plenty of other lads from my generation. Look how it turned out. Look what the "red pill" means in a modern cultural context. Look what Anonymous has done with itself. Look where our conspiracy theories got us. I'm equally as proud that whole mindset has permeated the mainstream, as I am disappointed and aggrieved.
|>>|| No. 428918
Aliens wasn't expressly set in the year 1999
And T2 was only 9 years old at that point as opposed to the 20 Matrix is now. If you asked me if T2 felt dated in 2009, in a lot of ways yes but the characters in it are a shit load more stronger than the matrix, matrix hit on some sort of zeitgeist perfectly but now with the eyes of an older man I see that underneath it is a story of very silly broody superstitious 2D characters.
Where as when you strip down Aliens and T2 with the eyes of an older soul you find a huge amount of character depth, they are both weirdly films about family, one about being a mother suffering loss, and one about absent fathers and lonely damaged characters regaining a family connection if only for a while. I know that seems stupid thing to take away from high action kill fests with a long list of quotable one liners but it is the kind of notes that make it stick with you once the adrenaline rush wares off and you are bein snobbish about these things in later life.
> Look where our conspiracy theories got us. I'm equally as proud that whole mindset has permeated the mainstream, as I am disappointed and aggrieved.
I don't know how to tell you this but everything you named was rather mainstream. If anything they got less mainstream for a while post 9/11 when people realized that pretending the government was in total control and omnipotent was toxic for handling the truth of the situation. Area 51 seems to be back in the public consciousness maybe we finally stopped having the 80s revival and moved into the 90s one.
|>>|| No. 428919
>I don't know how to tell you this but everything you named was rather mainstream.
Well, yes, but I was more referring to the weird online counter-culture that came out of that era. The whole hackers on steroids thing. Going from something most people couldn't comprehend, to a daily aspect of almost everyone's lives, without anyone ever noticing where it had changed. I didn't articulate it very well.
That's just the way of pop culture though innit.
|>>|| No. 428927
The Red Pill movement is just emblematic of a segment of the population that existed long before The Matrix came out. You had an undercurrent of these conpiracy theorist types for a long time who thought everyone else around them was crazy for not growing wise to the fact that the whole world around you is a scam.
And then The Matrix with its poorly thrown together New Age philosophy came along, and they thought finally somebody was popularising that general idea. When in reality, those thoughts expressed in The Matrix were not really much more than throwaway regurgitated pop culture statements. Everyone of us has in some form or another always suspected that governments can't be trusted, and it's no coincidence that the Agents in the Matrix look like the kind of secret agents that you see protecting high-value targets like top politicians at public functions.
So the thing isn't that these ideas don't exist in the public's minds. Or that maybe they've even got a point. It's just that a particular segment of the general population has hijacked the idea of the red pill for its own screwy world view.
As a slightly olderlad, all I can say is, it's not always a good idea to join or associate yourself with a movement whose two main kinds of ideological fuel are a general, unchannelled anger at the world and the idea that everyone else must be forced to accept the secret knowledge that that group believes it is in possession of.
|>>|| No. 428928
> Look what the "red pill" means in a modern cultural context.
Pretty much the same thing it used to mean, besides also being a name for a MRA+PUA off-shot.
|>>|| No. 428932
I need to buy a new jacket, but I feel strangely out of the loop about it. Everything seems like chav brands aimed at teenagers or brands aimed at middle aged men, with very little in between.
|>>|| No. 428936
Buying a new jacket is daunting. I've been putting it off for years. It feels like such a defining item.
|>>|| No. 428938
>Just buy the one that is most practical that doesn't make you look like a hobo.
Sorry, could you repeat that? I can't hear you over all the pockets on your cargo shorts.
|>>|| No. 428941
Just buy what you feel comfortable wearing, and which doesn't make you stick out too much like a sore thumb. There's no point dressing in the height of fashion, when it's something that you don't feel comfortable in. If you care about how you appear towards others and about self projection, then you're far better off buying a bland looking jacket that you enjoy wearing, than something that's this season's hot item but you just keep asking yourself what you were thinking when you bought it.
I bought an American-style varsity jacket once as a teenlad, there was a time in the early 90s when they were the must-have item here in Britain. I felt proud as punch on the way home from the shop, but then after a few days of looking at myself in the mirror while wearing it, I just thought, God, I look so fucking stupid, this is so not my style". My parents weren't pleased that I was just tossing a £50 jacket to the side like that after barely a week of wearing it. 50 quid was a whole lot of money back then for a coat, for a teenlad anyway. Adjusted for inflation, it'd be around £110 today according to the Internet. My parents then ended up selling it to the neighbour's kid for 40. He looked just as stupid in it to me, but he seemed to like it. The shop wouldn't take it back, because they said I started wearing it right when I left there.
|>>|| No. 428945
One of the managers running another department at work is quite weird.
She refuses to train her team properly because she's too busy and never communicates changes or anything important to them, so they're in a continuous state of crossed wires. They're all shit scared of getting a bollocking from her so they rigidly stick to checklists even when it makes no real sense from a logical or commercial perspective.
When something goes wrong she makes a point of dealing with it all herself and refuses to let anyone help her; she makes a point of saying things like if she wants something done properly she'll have to do it herself. She complains about how much she has to do and makes herself a complete martyr by doing things like only taking a third of her annual leave entitlement (it is not paid in lieu).
To too it all off she lives with her sister. I don't get it. Unlock the fucking workplace annoyances thread.
|>>|| No. 428948
>She refuses to train her team properly because she's too busy and never communicates changes or anything important to them
That is litterally her fucking job. She should be fired, and the person who put her in that postition should be fired, that's how ill suited I think she is at her job, based on what you said.
she is a manager, she manages, the clue is in the title and it is only one word.
GENTLEMEN, THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST!
|>>|| No. 428950
Wait, unlock the thread with 3500 posts? Were you not here when threads had a hard limit in the hundreds?
Consider yourself lucky and stop complaining like some hoes.
|>>|| No. 428952
>Were you not here when threads had a hard limit in the hundreds?
When was that? I've been here since 2010 and can't recall that. Then again, we didn't really have megathreads outside of the likes of Moaty and the London riots.
|>>|| No. 428956
The Moaty thread has 801 replies. The last but one is from marple refusing to extend the post limit any further.
|>>|| No. 428962
>The last but one is from marple refusing to extend the post limit any further.
By the end it was just flogging a dead
roid raging police hating ginger tree surgeon horse.
|>>|| No. 429005
I dont remember him, I remember me fighting my way through xen. And a bunch of so called scientists who couldn't get my bloody name right.
|>>|| No. 429022
One of my friends is going to NZ with another friend and has invited me to come but given me a short deadline to decide.
I'd love to go and it's once in a life kind of thing but it's like 1500 for flights and probably another 1500 all included really for everything else.
I am planning to quit my job and travel in maybe a year so I'm not sure whether or not to drop the 3k and YOLO or save it in case I go travel so I've got a substantial amount more.
|>>|| No. 429072
How do you ask a sexually active woman if she's clean without sounding rude?
|>>|| No. 429074
Realistically you could buy much more fun with that 3k than New Zealand. Depends on how decent a time the two others are but I'd read you travel diary across the Middle East.
Be sure to buy yourself an acoustic guitar and sing Wonderwall at any hostels you stay in. The other guests will love it.
|>>|| No. 429077
You can't. The closest you can get is something along the lines of "I really respect you and I'd be mortified if you caught anything from me, so before we take the rubber off let's both get tested". It has to be a mutual better-safe-than-sorry thing, but even then you're treading on thin ice.
>Be sure to buy yourself an acoustic guitar and sing Wonderwall at any hostels you stay in. The other guests will love it.
And people wonder why backpackers get murdered.
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