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>> No. 425684 Anonymous
5th April 2019
Friday 11:36 pm
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So am I the only one who is getting a bit annoyed by this whole Greta Thunberg cult, or am I just too much of a cold hearted cynic that the world would be better off without?

I don't doubt the legitimate concern of her generation over climate change, after all it will fall to them to sort out the utter fucking mess that we have left the planet in, but all the awards that she is now being showered with are IMO just middle aged and old people's guilt over their own failure to save the planet's climate despite having had decades of prior warning, and who lost their way and succumbed to high carbon footprint consumerism somewhere between 1990s road protest villages and today's school runs in a 4x4. None of it feels sincere or genuine, it's more like, yeah, just take all these awards and shut the hell up already.

And parents whose children now protest every Friday or so are now engaging in pissing matches on twitter and Instagram to show off which one of their kids gets the most involved. As one commenter said, nothing good has ever come of a youth protest movement that was applauded by parents.
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>> No. 434818 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 1:23 pm
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>>434816
Well personally I find.. ad infinitum.
>> No. 434819 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 2:15 pm
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>>434815
This comic has always bothered me. It's a succinct and successful critique of the "South Park take", where someone sits on the fence being rude about both sides without ever putting any skin in the game to receive their due criticism back. But there are also many, many topics where two opposing sides are either both wrong or both cunts, and for a while back there it seemed like any time anyone who pointed that out got this comic in response.

(And that's leaving aside the lack of self-awareness in the comic itself, which I'd guess is more down to brevity rather than imagination, but even so.)
>> No. 434820 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 2:22 pm
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>>434819
It's easier to drag everybody down to the same level you're playing on so you can criticise them rather than admit there's a slight chance of yourself being wrong, then you don't have to change your argument or improve the debate at all. The important thing is to belittle someones belief so that you win, because it's all winning or losing now.
>> No. 434821 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 2:25 pm
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>>434809

Many people become bankrupt with medical fees despite having insurance. This is especially true for cancer, which requires repeated expensive treatments:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/health-insurance-medical-bankruptcy-debt
There is absolutely nothing double barrelled about my statement in that context. I even specified cancer as one of the reasons in my post.
>> No. 434822 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 2:57 pm
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>>434821

Yes, that really is inexcusable. It goes back to America being a dog eat dog country, insurers can and will fuck you even if you have cancer. Your article doesn't detail the exact nature of how Susanne LeClair got fucked 12 years ago but it does mention some important points about the case, she had healthcare provided by her employer rather than investigating and choosing her own policy and she mistakenly went to a hospital which was not covered by her insurer. While nobody should have additional stress placed on them during times of crisis, especially with cancer, that's how the American system works. You are required to be familiar with your own health insurance policy and act accordingly. These horror stories are based on two facts, the fact that insurers are cunts and the fact that people are ignorant of their own health insurance policies.

Regarding my first point, insurers in America seem to have a "let's give it a go" attitude towards attempting to not pay out, this article suggests that the appeals procedure is a very poorly constructed wall which protects against the general population being paid what they're owed by their insurance providers. Should people have to go through this when they have fucking cancer? No. But that's how America works.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/things-know-health-insurance-for-cancer-513996

>The good news is that the denial is not a case of "end-all, be-all"—you can fight the decision. You would be surprised how many denials are reversed.

I feel like we're both in unfamiliar territory here so I don't want to go too much further down this rabbit hole, the number of acronyms and types of payment involved in the American medical insurance world is bizarre, frustrating and in dire need of reform. I had to look up exactly what a copay was at first, I assumed it was a monthly premium and was shocked when I mistakenly believed she was paying $300 a month to not have her cancer covered. I was wrong, copay is basically an excess, but for every time you visit a hospital or doctor. My overall belief is that if the American system is fine for most people then the people it's supposedly failing must be making some mistakes themselves, a system doesn't just magically work for some people but not others. It's likely that a lot of people are not familiar with their healthcare policy or do the equivalent of buying a 3rd party fire and theft policy but because it has healthcare in the title assume they're comprehensively insured universally.

If your argument is that we should help thick people beat cancer I agree, but since we're not in America we already do that. If I were an American I might have a very different attitude, as I would have been raised with very different values. The Americans seem to place a lot of value on doing your own research rather than just assuming someone else will fix your lack of effort for you and I'm not wholly inclined to disagree with them, I'm just not so fanatical about their world view as to want to import it here.

As an aside I'm curious about this point.

>There is absolutely nothing double barrelled about my statement in that context.

I very clearly laid out my reasoning, that the statement "through no fault of their own" can be taken in two ways depending on how you read it. Can you explain more clearly why you disagree with that assessment?
>> No. 434823 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 3:15 pm
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>>434822
>These horror stories are based on two facts, the fact that insurers are cunts and the fact that people are ignorant of their own health insurance policies.
>But that's how America works.
But that doesn't have to be how America works. There doesn't need to be a colossal meta-structure of exploitative middlemen hovering over public healthcare, and it doesn't make sense logically or morally for that to be the case. Defeatist statements about current actualities are meaningless, especially when practical and affordable solutions are staring you in the face, via almost every other developed country in the world.
>> No. 434824 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 3:21 pm
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>>434822
>I very clearly laid out my reasoning, that the statement "through no fault of their own" can be taken in two ways depending on how you read it. Can you explain more clearly why you disagree with that assessment?

I did that through example. The U.S. system is one which creates instances where people cannot be realistically held accountable for their medical bankruptcy. There's plenty of information on this, both quantitative and qualitative.

Frankly, your post was rambling, and it seems that you are totally ignorant of the realities of U.S. healthcare (and have the cheek to lump me in saying that we're both out of our depth). I just addressed your first point about people "taking a gamble by not having healthcare", with the very obvious fact that many people go bankrupt even with insurance.

You should also be aware that about half the population of the U.S. gets their medical insurance through their employer, in a country that openly encourages wage suppression through a certain controlled level of unemployment as an economic strategy.

You go on to talk about why you find the CDC stats "irritating", which I don't have the time or patience to get through, but the broader point I am making is that the economic and health systems are arranged in a way in the U.S. that poses a devastating risk for the individual. That you'd say the point of the NHS is to "stop thick people getting cancer" shows a level of contempt for the public I'm not going to bother dealing with. I have a feeling that no number of studies or stats showing that this is a systemic problem rather than an individual failing will get through to you, because you must just be innately smarter or more careful than those "thick people who get cancer".
>> No. 434827 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 3:34 pm
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>>434824

Who hurt you?
>> No. 434839 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 7:35 pm
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You know what, this thread makes me wonder- When we assess the supposed meritocracy of the United States from a British perspective, are we perhaps judging a little too harshly the relative ease of social mobility? We have a very rigid class structure, but that's built on the fact we can be stuck in a dead end job even if we are well educated and successful; if you can't or won't, for whatever reason, uproot your life and go where the jobs are, you're fucked, and it's a stark contrast between our "well off" places and our shit ones.

In America however, could it plausibly be the case that because everyone is so thick, that it's actually easier to climb the ladder? I almost spat out my drink when you said "America is based on doing more of your own research", but actually there might be something to that. America is a country where they don't mind leaving thickos to be thick and wallow in their own muck; whereas we have strived for centuries to make sure we have a reasonably low background level of retardation. Even our lowliest chavs have at least had a decent education, for the most part- At least compared to America, where they're happy to allow you to be the proverbial paste-eater well into adulthood.
>> No. 434844 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 7:58 pm
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>>434839

People often talk about a poverty of aspiration in the UK, and they're right. We don't aspire to be more than we were born, the aspirational here aspire to be the best they can be with respect to their birth.

The poverty of aspiration in America is different, if we had trailer parks here (not gyppos) those aspirational trailer trash would at least aspire to be the best lower class they can be in a British cultural system. Their aspiration is different, it's all or nothing, it's "I will be trailer trash for life or I will be Eminem." Aspiration in America is about changing class, usually forcefully (forcefully meaning big, explosive, zero to hero) whereas aspiration in Britain is being a plumber who gets all the plumbing qualifications so he can be a middle manager in a plumbing company, so his kids can become doctors or something.

In British culture our corporations (insurance companies) are kept in line, ironically, by the tabloid press. Consider an alternate reality scenario where the UK had an American style insurance system and some 40 year old mum of 4 got fucked by the insurance company because she bought 3rd party fire and theft insurance. The headlines for weeks would be "Company Name Nightmare" with the mum of 4 being prominently interviewed and displayed on the centre page detailing her misery at the hands of the insurance company while she had cancer despite having the "OmniPlatinum Apex Health Coverage Package." There would be fucking murder in the press, it would go to court and a judge in a silly wig would deliver a scalding scold to the company representative, you know the kind, "you misled this woman in to believing she had full health insurance coverage with a flashy name while conspiring to deprive her of the care she thought she was paying for in her hour of need." The kind of shit insurance companies pull in America would never fly here because we care about each other and our legal system is very much based on the slightly below average denominator. Our consumer regulation is perfect because it doesn't cater to thickos or high fliers, it goes for the slightly below average denominator and ensures that companies have to be fairly honest in their marketing practices.

In America the slightly below average, i.e. a good 25% of people get fucked, because they get lumped in with the thickos, and as long as the thickos aren't bothering their betters they get left to their own devices and Judge Judy. A single IQ point makes a huge difference in the percentage of a population setting aside a day and getting familiar with their health insurance policy. That single IQ point encompasses a double digit percentage of the American population.

For further consideration, we're an island of ~70m, America has a population of ~300m. Our landmass is probably about the size of an average state, of which they have 50. Their school system quite simply cannot be as robust as ours because of the way delegation of power works. Their welfare system cannot be as robust as our because of how the delegation of power works. And so on ad nauseam. We can ensure that minimum standards are in fact minimum standards, the Americans are not so lucky.
>> No. 434851 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 10:25 pm
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>>434844

I was more just thinking in the direction that like, the thicker your average person is, the easier it would be for a person of relatively normal or above average intelligence to rise above them.

Whereas in a compassionate system like ours with all our equal opportunities and help putting people's feet on the ladder (to an extent) there's simply tougher competition.

I'd still say our system is better (I would say that considering I'm a dyed in the wool commie) but it's an angle I'd not considered before. The lack of compassion for others is in no small part due to the fact others are directly in competition with you, and you want them to be as easy to beat as possible considering.
>> No. 434858 Anonymous
23rd February 2020
Sunday 11:38 pm
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>>434844
>For further consideration, we're an island of ~70m, America has a population of ~300m. Our landmass is probably about the size of an average state, of which they have 50. Their school system quite simply cannot be as robust as ours because of the way delegation of power works. Their welfare system cannot be as robust as our because of how the delegation of power works. And so on ad nauseam. We can ensure that minimum standards are in fact minimum standards, the Americans are not so lucky.
Why not? Each of those average states is run by a state government, there's no reason they can't do just as good a job as ours does, or can potentially do. There's no reason a federal government can't delegate enough power to the states to let them run themselves properly. There might be reasons they don't, but those aren't reasons they can't.
>> No. 434862 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 12:51 am
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>>434858

The 40% tax bracket in the UK starts at £50,001. The 40% tax bracket in the U.S.A. does not start. Unless my source is incomplete in which case it starts somewhere above $510,301.

To answer your question more honestly consider a hierarchical structure. At the top there is 1 guy, A.

A delegates 10 regions to 10 people, 10B.

Each B delegates 1 area to 10 people, 10C.

So far we have
1A
10B
10C
Each C delegates being a headmaster to 10 people, D.
For every Minister for Education we have 10,000 headmasters.

Now let's go to America.

A delegates 10 regions to 10 people, 10B.

Each B delegates 1 area to 10 people, 10C.

Each C delegates 1 school to 10 people, 10D.

So far we have
1A
10B
10C
10D
Each D deleates being a principal to 10 people, E.
For every Secretary of Education we have 100,000 principals.

Do you understand how failure, incompetence and malpractice might be better hidden under the second scenario or do I need to explain that?
>> No. 434863 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 2:20 am
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>>434858
The division of power in the US is bottom-up, not top-down. It's not for the federal government to delegate power to the states, the Constitution delegates power to the federal government using a "conferred power" model. Anything not specifically granted to the federal government is a matter for the states.
>> No. 434864 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 6:42 am
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>>434863

Yeah maybe until 1865.
>> No. 434869 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 3:10 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/18/bees-may-struggle-in-winds-caused-by-global-warming-study-finds


>A hardworking honey bee might feel aggrieved to be tricked into a garden shed to feed from a fake flower. Worse, she is blasted by a cheap household fan. And then timed to see how many fake flowers she can visit in 90 seconds.

>But the honey bees’ tormentors are trying to help them: their ordeal is a controlled experiment that reveals how high wind speeds significantly reduce the efficiency of their foraging.


You need to stop doing that, shedlad.
>> No. 434870 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 5:13 pm
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>>434869
>she
Are drones female? Aren't they sexless or something?
>> No. 434873 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 7:31 pm
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>>434870

Only ladybugs are female.
>> No. 434876 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 7:41 pm
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>>434869
> shedlad

I've been seriously thinking about bees for quite a long time. Perfectly compatible with the eco-shed lifestyle.
>> No. 434881 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 8:03 pm
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>>434876

My aunt has bees. The honey they produce is quite delicious, but it must be fucking annoying living next to a person who keeps bees in their back garden. Her hives are right adjacent to her neighbour's garden, and she says he's fine with them, but I know I would be livid if my neighbour decided one day that he'd try his hand at apiculture.
>> No. 434882 Anonymous
24th February 2020
Monday 8:10 pm
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>>434869
This reads like nothing but a mad sciencelads excuse to monumentally piss off bees and then unleash them on the locals. I was getting angry enough this morning when the wind kept smacking my umbrella into my head.
>> No. 434930 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 7:54 pm
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The so-called 'anti-Greta' is 19 years old but looks more like she's 14/15. Greta also looks a fair bit younger than she actually is. Is this all some sort of closet carpet-bagger plot?
>> No. 434931 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 8:06 pm
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>>434930
All righties do is complain about Thunberg being a paid shill, so they paid their own shill as a comeback? I can’t stand these obstinate dicks.
>> No. 434932 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 8:09 pm
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>>434930

No, it's propaganda from the same people that brought you "second hand smoke isn't bad for you".
>> No. 434933 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 8:21 pm
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>>434930

Sort of, maybe. Probably not. Naomi Seibt was probably chosen as the front of the anti-alarmism movement because she looks similar to Greta Thunberg while being more attractive. A lot of people make assumptions and process feelings based on appearance. Both girls have similar things going on, small frames, elongated necks compared to average, narrow facial features compared to average, rounder cheeks compared to average, and while both have average noses both of their noses are about the same. Choosing a frontman who looks similar to the opposing frontman ensures that the speakers are judged by the public on the content, quality and marketing of their message rather than appearance. As a loose example see the Nixon/Kennedy debates in which Nixon received better reception than Kennedy among radio listeners but the reverse was true among TV viewers. The commonly accepted reason for this is not simply demographic differences between radio and TV audiences, I assume they accounted for that, it is that Nixon had sweat on his lip on the TV and looked like a liar. Now that we've headed off any debate on whether appearance is relevant to how the public or most individuals receive a message let's move on to the carpet-bagger aspect.

I don't believe Greta was chosen as the frontman of the alarmism movement for directly carpet-baggery reasons, rather I believe it's a more insidious carpet-bagger-like plot to "empower" young adults across the world. Teenagers are notoriously stupid, especially in groups and therefore easy to manipulate. Over the last few decades the worth of a teenager's opinion in politics has gone from "aww ain't that cute" to "this teenager's opinion on this issue is as important as this 50 year old's opinion who has worked in the relevant industry all his life." The age of having your opinion taken seriously has dropped and dropped and dropped, when Greta came to the stage at 15 we were beginning to treat 18 year olds as well educated, well read, well travelled men with good ideas, I vaguely remember something about Scotland wanting to let 16 year olds vote back in Indyref too, or was it the general elections as well? Greta's arrival and subsequent actions focused on making middle teenagers a viable political force, you'll notice that they and Greta aren't actually tasked with thinking though, because the teenagers would quickly loose interest when they realised they lacked knowledge and had no idea what to actually do, instead Greta and these teenagers demand that someone do something. I actually remember one video in which Greta says "we are not here to provide solutions we are here to demand solutions" but I can't find it now so I'm probably lying. The sheer power of this movement, the ability to make middle teenagers strike and demand that someone do something to change an issue is one that should not be underestimated. There's virtually no dropoff from the group as none of the teenagers can be challenged from outside, they're not actually saying anything other than such and such situation must be changed and that position is right now one that can't really be argued against. I'm sure the issue of the day will be similarly unimpeachable in the future too. These middle teenagers aren't actually challenged themselves, in fact they love the anarchy, it's a day off school to be in the sun with friends, and there's no authority figure saying "stop being a little shit and get back in school," in fact, all the authority figures are praising you. I'm not able to say there's definitely no sexual carpet-bagger agenda going on, the machinations of the people who think they rule the world are a mystery to me, what I am able to say is we're definitely mindfucking our kids and no good will come of it.
>> No. 434934 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 8:53 pm
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>>434933
>Greta's arrival and subsequent actions focused on making middle teenagers a viable political force, you'll notice that they and Greta aren't actually tasked with thinking though, because the teenagers would quickly loose interest when they realised they lacked knowledge and had no idea what to actually do, instead Greta and these teenagers demand that someone do something.

You see it a fair bit in the Guardian, particularly opinion pieces by the likes of Jones or Toynbee. "I have identified the problem of x, someone else should come up with a meaningful solution to it." It works a charm on people with low mental and emotional maturity.
>> No. 434935 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:01 pm
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>>434934

There are plenty of possible solutions to this particular problem, it's simply that people aren't acting on them. The issue is that if you start actually trying to get people to do one in particular then you get dismissed as a shill for whatever that thing is, or just given excuses that relate to that one method. You can absolutely see this on twitter threads about ER; they're accused of being green industry shills, capitalists, communists, anarchists or basically whatever the commenter's specific bugbear is.
>> No. 434936 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:10 pm
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>>434935

I'm sure Dr. Leech Leechington, owner of the biggest leech farm in Europe got called mean names when he found and marketed the cure for all medical maladies in the middle age, but the man kept at it and now we don't have cancer anymore. I'm sure his descendants are billionaires too. I think we're reaching the stage at which we have raised enough awareness of climate change now, perhaps we should move on to deciding on a course of action. We can do it in some kind of avant-garde nouveau democraco-noir fashion to avoid accusations of shilling for Big CO2 Absorbing Coffee Filters if we must. Maybe an app with Greta's face on the icon forcefully downloaded on to all iPads which allow anyone under 12 to vote on which method to use to fix the death sphere we have created.
>> No. 434937 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:11 pm
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>>434936

Why are you so bitter?
>> No. 434938 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:14 pm
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>>434937

I'm just a small and petty man who never achieved anything of note.
>> No. 434939 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:17 pm
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>>434938

Keep it to yourself then.
>> No. 434940 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:20 pm
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>>434939

Hiding my bitterness when discussing how everyone but me is a retard would be a notable achievement, so while I am eager to fulfil your request I find myself in a situation where my only available option is to tell you to fuck off. Fuck off.
>> No. 434941 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:43 pm
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I dropped out of school when I was about Greta's age.

10 years later I'm a millionaire because I inherited money, two thirds of all wealth is inherited, anyone who pretends working is the best way to make money is either an idiot or straight up lying to you. Smash the system!
>> No. 434942 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:44 pm
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>>434940

Okay, you keep dong that really smart thing of being an unpleasant misanthrope.
>> No. 434943 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 9:49 pm
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>>434942

It's not smart and I don't enjoy it, I'm just pumping words I barely understand in to concepts in an attempt to be funny. I'm not sure why I can't wallow in my own self pity in peace. Perhaps you yourself are bitter about something only your expression of it is to be mean on the internet when someone says something in a way you don't like rather than even attempting to be funny.
>> No. 434944 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:04 pm
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>>434943

If you want to wallow in your own self pity in peace, stop bringing it into conversations with other people.
>> No. 434945 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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>>434944

Oh, next time you ask why I'm so bitter I'll just call you a poofter then.
>> No. 434946 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:11 pm
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>>434941
Can I pre-inherit some of your money?
>> No. 434947 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:13 pm
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>>434945

I wouldn't have asked if you weren't already doing it.
>> No. 434948 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:14 pm
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>>434947

That sounds like a you problem.
>> No. 434949 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:15 pm
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>>434948

It's not.
>> No. 434950 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 10:18 pm
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>>434949

Well it's certainly not bothering me.
>> No. 434953 Anonymous
26th February 2020
Wednesday 11:02 pm
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>>434930
>>434932

It's always very slightly worrying when the words "German" and "propaganda" pop up together in a debate.

Not sure where I am really going with that remark though.

So the Jerries are all paedos then?

Wasn't Fritzl Austrian?
>> No. 434957 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 1:48 am
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>>434953
> Wasn't Fritzl Austrian?

Indeed, making him possibly the second most famous Austrian bad guy.
>> No. 434959 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 7:25 am
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>>434957
Hitler was German and Fritzl is Australian.
>> No. 434960 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 7:29 am
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>>434957
Who actually is the most famous German bad guy?
>> No. 434962 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 8:37 am
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>>434960
Mengele?
>> No. 434963 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 8:44 am
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>>434960

Hans Gruber.
>> No. 434964 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 12:22 pm
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>>434960

Boris Becker
>> No. 434965 Anonymous
27th February 2020
Thursday 3:47 pm
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>>434964

Frank Farian.




(bit niche, I know)

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