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>> No. 425684 Anonymous
5th April 2019
Friday 11:36 pm
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So am I the only one who is getting a bit annoyed by this whole Greta Thunberg cult, or am I just too much of a cold hearted cynic that the world would be better off without?

I don't doubt the legitimate concern of her generation over climate change, after all it will fall to them to sort out the utter fucking mess that we have left the planet in, but all the awards that she is now being showered with are IMO just middle aged and old people's guilt over their own failure to save the planet's climate despite having had decades of prior warning, and who lost their way and succumbed to high carbon footprint consumerism somewhere between 1990s road protest villages and today's school runs in a 4x4. None of it feels sincere or genuine, it's more like, yeah, just take all these awards and shut the hell up already.

And parents whose children now protest every Friday or so are now engaging in pissing matches on twitter and Instagram to show off which one of their kids gets the most involved. As one commenter said, nothing good has ever come of a youth protest movement that was applauded by parents.
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>> No. 447956 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 11:25 am
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>>447954

No you prat. That's just where it's most noticeably happening today yet not being widely reported. I sympathise with being sick of that sort of septic attitude but it's not what's happening here.
>> No. 447957 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 11:36 am
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>>447956
It's heavily localised flash flooding after a spot of rain, it's extremely minor news.

You've got to be careful when you find yourself in a bubble, lad. I remember when I used to knock about with some people heavily into the LGBT and they'd work themselves up over a bit of news, like Die Antwoord being transphobic or the sexual. Abuse allegations surrounding PWR BTTM, and they'd act like it was a major piece of news that everyone should be aware of when the reality was that their bubble had made them hypersensitive to this sort of thing and this would then be amplified whilst for the overwhelming majority of people it's trivial.
>> No. 447958 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 11:46 am
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>>447957

So worked up about it that my only comment was "it's very pretty". Thing is, the delusion that it's trivial because you're in the habit of treating everything in the news or social dialogue with equal weight and scepticism, as though nothing reported can be anything more than a passing event with no wider import, is the problem.
>> No. 447959 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 11:48 am
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>>447953

Without wanting to sound reactionary, it's hard to tell if flooding in places like Miami means anything at all. A lot of cities on the coastal regions of the States couldn't be in worse locations, geographically speaking, if you tried; but they are, because in the old days it was the easiest place for ships to get to. New Orleans is a good example, part of the reason it was fucked so completely by Katrina is that most of the city is a good 20 feet below sea level- When it's right next to the sea.
>> No. 447960 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 11:50 am
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>>447959

That's a fair comment but it's still interlinked; floods worsened and more frequent.
>> No. 447961 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:08 pm
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>>447960
You're being a bit of a prat here. I get that XR is trying to step up its game but you ought to be careful with the whole freak weather event = climate change in action, at best it makes you look disingenuous and at worse one of those sorts reading Rapture Ready.

Also the news doesn't really report freak weather events because they're not exactly uncommon on a global level and never have been. They might be becoming more common but that's more of an aggregate story for a slow news day. Autism box ticked because this thread is now well over 3k posts of autistic meltdown.
>> No. 447962 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:16 pm
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>>447961

If you say so mate.
>> No. 447963 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:23 pm
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>>447962
You can't link every extreme weather event to climate change, what you've posted is aggregated data. It's retarded to try to link every event and betrays the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
>> No. 447964 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:27 pm
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>>447963
He wasn’t trying to debate you, he was politely telling you to piss off.
>> No. 447965 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:27 pm
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>> No. 447966 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:39 pm
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>>447957
>It's heavily localised flash flooding after a spot of rain, it's extremely minor news.

I'm not really sure that's the case. It seems like more and more places are succumbing to flash floods these days.
In the South, we've had large expendatures on flood defenses and just recently saw raw sewage overflow into the seas and rivers, due to maximum capacity of our water management systems.

This is undoubtedly due to extreme weather events, which appear to be happening all over the world. Check social medias; there's word of flooding across India, there was that German village last year and again recently, not to mention all the other shit i'm forgetting about.

Unless it's just the media bias reporting because 'climate change is so hot right now', It feels like a major problem of our time which is much easier to ignore now and hope it goes away by itself. Unfortunately I must know that's not the case as I've been having sleepless nights about for the past few weeks as the autumn takes hold.
>> No. 447967 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 3:56 pm
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>>447963
It's not retarded, it's basic political strategy. I believe the concept is called the policy window, for which the archetypal example of abuse is the 9/11 > Iraq connection. 9/11 created the opening to seriously discuss the invasion of Iraq, even though there was no proper link between the two and the connection they did make was laughably tenuous.
You get this all the time. The event draws widespread public attention while creating an opportunity to define what the problem is, then you can define your solution to the problem. (Think recently to how the murder of an MP lead to talking about legislation about online abuse. Define the problem as "MPs being mistreated" and then you can define the solution as "stop people swearing at me on Twitter", even though that wouldn't have stopped the original incident.)

Now obviously in the case of climate change it's not that bad, there is actually a connection there. It's easier to illustrate with examples of tenuous policy connections but it only stands to reason that if your political aim is to make governments fight climate change or to just raise the issue on the political agenda, and if there is actually something of a causative link between the two (in general if "not proven" for the specific event), you'll take the opportunity the weather has provided you to talk about climate change - I mean for god's sake the alternative is quite literally "talking about the weather."
>> No. 447968 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 5:11 pm
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>>447964
What makes you think I was trying to convince greta-lad? I'm doing this to collect my BP paycheque.

>>447967
It's retarded in this instance because climate science is both fickle and requires trustworthy data. Saying x = y is something climate change sceptics do whenever there's a cold-snap and in the context of climate alarmism just makes you sound like one of those people looking for signs of the apocalypse in the bible.

I get what he's trying to do, although why he does it on an arse-pissing forum is anyone's guess, but that doesn't mean it works.
>> No. 447971 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 5:27 pm
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>>447968
Perhaps I am drawing my appalling cynicism too far but this feels rather like a cop out. Like responding to a post complaining that an austerity budget is probably going to hurt growth with "actually, we'll have to wait for academic analysis to know what the effect will be." It's hard not to get the impression the actual aim here is an intellectualised version of telling people to just not talk about it, since it's not like someone's going to come back in 2 or 10 years and go "oh look, they did a research paper (several? outright consensus?) that said actually it probably was down to an atypical weather pattern ultimately made much more likely by planetary temperature increases after all..." so we can have a proper "scientific" debate.

But of course, an equally cynical read on what i've just said is that I've just moved to the next level of over-intellectualising telling people to be quiet. It's cynicism all the way down.
>> No. 447972 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 5:28 pm
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>>447968
>Saying x = y
Nobody did this, it's just a reference to one of the extreme weather events that are worsening and increasing in frequency.

>climate alarmism
Climate scientists have consistently understated the risks in the past, mostly because of people accusing them of alarmism for reporting the actual facts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opinion/sunday/science-climate-change.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2019/10/23/the-biggest-threat-to-climate-science-comes-from-climate-advocates/

>I'm doing this to collect my BP paycheque.
If you have to resort to implying other people are pushing conspiracy theories that nobody has even come close to then you've already lost the argument.
>> No. 447976 Anonymous
19th November 2021
Friday 8:32 pm
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>>447966
They've had absolutely catastrophic flooding in China recently, a whole city got flooded there over summer, resulting in a 4km road tunnel get flooded (after which the army got drafted in to pull the thousands of cars of rush hour traffic out of the tunnel and announced an official death toll of about a dozen). China is also in a massive crisis right now because they suffered such severe flooding that a large portion of their coal production halted due to mines flooding.
>> No. 447980 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 8:53 am
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>Single-use plastics such as plates, cutlery and polystyrene cups could be banned in England as ministers launch a public consultation on the issue.

>Environment Secretary George Eustice said it was "time we left our throwaway culture behind once and for all". Separately, wet wipes, tobacco filters and sachets will be also examined.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59357222

Ruddy eco-crusties want your sachets now.
>> No. 447981 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 9:13 am
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>>447980

More a case of "Government want tiny lip-service to look like they're making an effort" than eco-crusties I think.
>> No. 447982 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 9:29 am
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>>447981

It barely even counts as lip service. A lifecycle analysis by the Environment Agency found that paper carrier bags had triple the carbon footprint of plastic bags, regardless of whether either type of bag is recycled. Re-useable coffee cups only have a marginally better carbon footprint than disposable cups due to the energy involved in washing them; the overwhelming majority of the carbon footprint of a cup of coffee is from the coffee and milk.

Plastic packaging is ubiquitous because it's incredibly efficient. We can see plastic waste, but we can't see carbon dioxide.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/291023/scho0711buan-e-e.pdf

https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/PEF-Coffee-FullReport.pdf
>> No. 447983 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 10:31 am
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>>447982

As I understand it, the need to cut down on plastics is a distinct issue to reducing carbon emissions. Plastics would ultimately be harmful to the biosphere in the long term regardless if they were carbon neutral.

That said, shit like sauce sachets and carrier bags were never the problem. It's just always the case that the government will target something ineffectual where the main impact is on the convenience of people's everyday life, instead of something effective like the services and industries where plastic waste is truly rampant.

I often shudder to think how much plastic waste we generate at work (NHSlab lad) because all the glassware pipettes and dishes etc you'd have in a traditional lab are all disposable plastics now. And recycling is out of the question too, since it's biohazardous waste.
>> No. 447984 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 10:39 am
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>>447983
I think you've posted similar sentiments before but honestly it just seems the same as making exceptions for disabled people to have plastic straws or similar; it's a necessity and could easily be dealt with through recycling if we had our priorities in order. It can't realistically be anything like the scale of consumerist waste anyway. Is it possible it just seems excessive because you're so close to it?
>> No. 447985 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 2:40 pm
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>>447983

Plastic waste is entirely harmless if disposed of properly and still doesn't do all that much damage if it's just dumped in the sea. I've read dozens, possibly hundreds of papers on microplastics but I haven't seen any evidence that they're actually significantly harmful. The most credible argument I've seen is that plastics in the environment can absorb and aggregate other pollutants, but a) that's still just a hypothesis and b) if that's the case then plastics are really a secondary issue.

In the developed world, the vast majority of plastic pollution is discarded fishing gear. Leakage from landfills or deliberate dumping of waste is very much a developing world problem and it's not something we can fix through domestic action. Most household plastic items found in the sea came from containers that had fallen off ships.

https://www.sapea.info/wp-content/uploads/report.pdf
>> No. 447986 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 5:28 pm
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>>447985
>Leakage from landfills or deliberate dumping of waste is very much a developing world problem
In fairness, isn't this because most first world waste management strategies are basically to send it to the third world? I vaguely remember there being a big thing where China suddenly told everyone to fuck off and stop sending them plastic to "recycle" cheaply (namely:recycle into landfill while allowing western waste management companies to go "look, we're recycling!") because they weren't poor enough for it to be worth it anymore.
>> No. 447988 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 8:11 pm
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>>447986

Partly, but most of it comes from urban areas with lots of waterways and no municipal waste services. The problem is compounded by a lack of clean tap water, which massively increases their reliance on single-use water bottles.

The export of plastic waste is a weird political thing. Our government imposes a landfill tax of £96.70 per tonne. There's no real environmental rationale other than "landfill bad, recycling good".

Some plastics (particularly HDPE and clear PET) are easy and economical to recycle, but a lot of other plastics aren't, especially plastics mixed with other materials. These are more common than you might think - crisp packets, for example, are lined with a very thin layer of aluminium that makes them impermeable to air but makes the plastic impractical to recycle.

Well-managed landfill (i.e. practically all landfill in Europe) has essentially no environmental impact. There's a barrier liner to prevent toxic liquid from leaking out, there are catch ponds in case that fails and there's a methane capture system. Once the landfill is filled, capped and the land above it reclaimed, you wouldn't know it had ever been there.

Waste management companies saw a very straightforward business problem. They had tonnes and tonnes of plastic waste that was completely uneconomical to recycle and expensive to landfill domestically, so they paid someone in a less-regulated country to take it off their hands. For whatever reason, our government didn't do anything of substance to intervene, despite how obvious the ruse was.

There is another option if landfill doesn't appeal - waste-to-energy with carbon capture. Plastic is basically solid oil and will produce almost nothing but water and CO2 if burned at a sufficiently high temperature. Stick a carbon capture system on the chimney, use the heat to spin a turbine and you're producing zero-carbon electricity from plastic waste. Carbon capture is an expensive technology, but it would work out significantly cheaper per tonne than the landfill tax.
>> No. 447990 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 10:39 pm
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15 years ago, I kept a plastic bag from a shop because it was meant to biodegrade within two years, and I wanted to see if it did. Then I forgot to check it, but I trust the bag's claims enough to not bother trying to look for it. So why can't all bags be like that? Surely there have been developments in plastic technology since 2006 (it might have been 2007 to be honest, but the point still stands), so if anything, biodegradable plastic should be more useful in more situations now than ever before. You could probably make biodegradable medical pipettes too, and I'm certain you could make biodegradable single-use straws. And it would solve a huge amount of plastic problems all in one stroke. Even if biodegrading plastics emit carbon dioxide somehow, it would be a piece of piss to plant a lot of trees nearby, or even to just dump all the plastic in the woods somewhere.

I accept that you probably couldn't manufacture a biodegradable TV or smartphone or windscreen wiper, but people seem to have stopped putting it forward as a suggestion. Is it cost? Because the cost issue is easy to fix; just invent a new green tax for all the non-biodegradable plastics and tell anyone who disagrees to eat shit. We'd all get to keep using plastic, and any plastic more than a few years old would magically get rid of itself. What am I missing here?
>> No. 447991 Anonymous
20th November 2021
Saturday 11:15 pm
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>>447990

They only biodegrade under really specific conditions. Think of it like paper, but worse. Paper biodegrades really rapidly but if it's in your house will last longer than you. I think you've missed the point about carbon storage that >>447988 made.

You could definitely make a biodegradable windscreen wiper.
>> No. 447992 Anonymous
21st November 2021
Sunday 12:42 am
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>>447988

This all sounds great but for one thing, it all hinges on that carbon capture. How effective is it really? I know a utopian sounding too-good-to-be-true miracle tech when I see one and carbon capture definitely seems like it.

I've got an idea. Why don't we stitch all the leftover plastic bags together into giant balloons, fill them with C02, and then let them float off into space? Two birds in one stone, and it creates jobs.
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21st November 2021
Sunday 1:25 am
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>>447992

>How effective is it really?

It's relatively expensive (~£90/tonne) which makes it non-viable if you're burning coal, but it starts to make economic sense if you're burning waste that people will pay you to get rid of.

Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands all have operational waste-to-energy facilities with carbon capture. The CO2 is liquefied and sold for industrial and agricultural use.
>> No. 448003 Anonymous
21st November 2021
Sunday 4:34 pm
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>>447992
> I've got an idea. Why don't we stitch all the leftover plastic bags together into giant balloons, fill them with C02, and then let them float off into space? Two birds in one stone, and it creates jobs.

CO2 is heavier than air, so the plastic balloons would hang around on the ground like discarded dog poo bags.
>> No. 448004 Anonymous
21st November 2021
Sunday 4:35 pm
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>>448003
Then the council should provide CO2 waste bins. Problem sorted.
>> No. 448008 Anonymous
21st November 2021
Sunday 9:01 pm
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>>448003

If it's heavier than air, how come it fucks up the atmosphere so much? Shouldn't we all be suffocating in a blanket of carbon dioxide by now?

Still, we could just make it into a hot CO2 balloon so that it floats. And since it's entire purpose is getting rid of all the CO2, we can burn as much fossil fuel as we want to accomplish it.
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21st November 2021
Sunday 9:45 pm
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>>448008 coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/0.4584/52.9348/

says I'm going underwater by 2030, but then nothing gets any worse for a few decades. What's up with that? I don't think there's a massive wall around the fens. yet.
>> No. 448011 Anonymous
21st November 2021
Sunday 10:22 pm
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>>448010

I can't say I'll miss places like Boston or Grimsby.
>> No. 448015 Anonymous
22nd November 2021
Monday 12:02 am
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>>448010
Time to invest in beautiful seafront property in Peterborough!
>> No. 448047 Anonymous
24th November 2021
Wednesday 2:20 am
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>>448010
Why is most of Africa safe, even with 10 metre rise?
>> No. 448050 Anonymous
24th November 2021
Wednesday 10:16 am
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>>448047

The polar soaks it all up.

I came up with an idea a bit ago where we could just pump all the extra sea water into the middle of polars like the Sahara and Atacama. Make them into more lively places, maybe nice places to go on holiday.

Two birds, one stone. And it creates jobs.
>> No. 448055 Anonymous
24th November 2021
Wednesday 1:23 pm
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>>448050
Personally, I'm looking forward to sunny beaches where the sun doesn't set for a week in Northern Alaska.
>> No. 448056 Anonymous
24th November 2021
Wednesday 1:47 pm
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>>448055
Enjoy your megamosquitos.

I do like the 'flood the polars' plan, though. What would really happen? And re-flood the Aral sea while you're at it. Plenty of solar power to run some massive pumps.
>> No. 448066 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 9:59 am
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There were rumblings of potential threats of violence early in the year but they got quieter after a while. Post-COP26 they seem to be back and much louder now. Interesting times.
>> No. 448067 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 1:07 pm
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Explain to me why anyone gives a fuck about some flooding that will happen when you're dead?
>> No. 448068 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 2:29 pm
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>>448067
No.
>> No. 448069 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 2:46 pm
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>>448067
Childrens future, etc.
>> No. 448070 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 3:34 pm
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>>448067
Genuinely amazed if you can't figure this one out at all.
>> No. 448071 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 3:36 pm
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>>448070
He's just being cool.
>> No. 448077 Anonymous
25th November 2021
Thursday 10:32 pm
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>>448067
Honestly, I don't really care too.
>> No. 448079 Anonymous
26th November 2021
Friday 3:51 am
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I'm not sure there's any point caring about the climate anymore now that we're all going to die from the apocalypse plague anyway.
>> No. 448080 Anonymous
26th November 2021
Friday 9:17 am
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Liam from IB taking calls live on LBC for some reason.
>> No. 448081 Anonymous
26th November 2021
Friday 9:19 am
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>>448067>>448077>>448079

I sometimes look back over this thread and it genuinely seems like there's at least one poster whose sole job it is to make low effort posts about not caring. It always happens to be just enough single sentence posts to knock the last genuine climate change related story off the front page of /*/ and /sfw/.

I don't know who needs to be told again, but climate change is already happening. It's not a case of "a load of floods happening after you're dead". Those floods are happening now and you may well be affected. You have probably been affected indirectly already. If you intend to remain alive for more than a decade or two, climate change is increasing the chance that you are more severely affected (by logistical interruptions or crop failure in other areas of the world) and/or directly experience an event. This article details some of the IPCC findings on what we should expect from this moment on in Europe: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2021/oct/14/climate-change-happening-now-stats-graphs-maps-cop26
>> No. 448082 Anonymous
26th November 2021
Friday 9:24 am
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>>448081
Whenever a thread reaches a certain size it starts to go round in circles. The evangelist christian korean youtuber thread on /news/ will be the same four or five talking points in a continuous loop.
>> No. 448088 Anonymous
26th November 2021
Friday 11:07 am
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XR's blocking the Amazon supply chain at various places in the Netherlands, Germany and UK for Black Friday; by chance GMB and TUC also declared strikes today at some of the same locations so we get some lovely images like this of one strike with the others in the background.

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