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>> No. 453189 Anonymous
12th August 2022
Friday 9:41 pm
453189 Global warming, and that.
New global warming/environmental thread?

New global warming/environmental thread.

The old one deserves being put out to pasture after 3,700 posts.


https://news.sky.com/story/firefighters-from-all-over-europe-battle-monster-blaze-in-france-as-others-burn-in-portugal-germany-and-spain-12671144

>Firefighters from all over Europe battle 'monster' blaze in France as others burn in Portugal, Germany and Spain
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>> No. 453190 Anonymous
12th August 2022
Friday 9:45 pm
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I'll miss Are Greta's annoying angry face. RIP old climate thread.

Long live the new climate thread.
>> No. 453191 Anonymous
12th August 2022
Friday 9:58 pm
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>>453190

Here she is for you one more time.
>> No. 453193 Anonymous
12th August 2022
Friday 10:41 pm
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Italy: 200 Alpine glaciers gone since end 19th Century
https://weirditaly.com/2022/08/12/italy-200-alpine-glaciers-gone-since-end-19th-century/

'An official drought has been declared in parts of south-west England, parts of southern and central England, and the East of England.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62508521

European Union warns of "very critical situation" as drought threatens 60% of EU and U.K.
https://apple.news/AYgdwFakxSoCItEUwsRzL9w

Chaos after heat crashes computers at leading London hospitals. Patient safety compromised during IT failure at Guy’s and St Thomas’.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/07/chaos-after-heat-crashes-computers-at-leading-london-hospitals

Eight dead in Seoul after record torrential rain turns streets into rivers. Biggest hourly downpour since 1942 in South Korean capital.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/eight-dead-in-seoul-after-record-torrential-rain-turns-streets-into-rivers-41899168.html

A ‘megaflood’ in California could drop 100 inches of rain, scientists warn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/08/12/megaflood-california-flood-rain-climate/

'Very scary': European agriculture hit hard by climate change and drought
https://www.yahoo.com/news/very-scary-european-agriculture-hit-hard-by-climate-change-and-drought-223941399.html

Antarctic krill are one of the most abundant species in the world in terms of biomass, but scientists and conservationists are concerned about the future of the species due to overfishing, climate change impacts and other human activities.
https://news.mongabay.com/2022/08/climate-change-and-overfishing-threaten-once-endless-antarctic-krill/

Liz Truss defends energy firms saying profit is not evil
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62513966

European drought dries up rivers, kills fish, shrivels crops
https://apnews.com/article/european-droughts-dry-rivers-719b51330a47c7a85b060f6426874c5b

Drought hits Germany's Rhine River: 'We have 30cm of water left'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62519683

Historic Drought Threatens to Cripple European Trade
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-08-10/europe-s-low-water-levels-threaten-rhine-river-hit-80b-trade-lifeline

Poland investigates mass die-off of tons of fish in ‘ecological catastrophe’
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-08-12/poland-investigates-die-off-tons-fish

The Arctic is heating up four times faster than the rest of the planet
https://grist.org/science/arctic-warming-four-times-faster-than-rest-of-planet/

Mass Death of Sequoias Is the Harbinger of Earth Systems Collapse
https://truthout.org/articles/mass-death-of-sequoias-is-the-harbinger-of-earth-systems-collapse/

Doomsday scenario: Climate change news should send a tingle of fear down your spine
https://wraltechwire.com/2022/08/05/doomsday-scenario-climate-change-news-should-send-a-tingle-of-fear-down-your-spine/

Learning how to cope with ‘climate doom’ – podcast
https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2022/jul/26/learning-how-to-cope-with-climate-doom-podcast

Climate change: More studies needed on possibility of human extinction
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62378157

“Human Kind Cannot Bear Very Much Reality”, Doing Nothing While the World Burns and Extinction Looms
https://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2022/08/10/human-kind-cannot-bear-very-much-reality-doing-nothing-while-the-world-burns-and-extinction-looms

This documentary clearly outlines the current problems of the Amazon rainforest and what should be done to preserve it in the future. A Bolsonaro victory or a military coup d'état led by him will bury any chance of saving what's left of the rainforest.
https://m.dw.com/en/the-heart-of-brazil-a-fight-for-the-rainforest-part-1/av-62715657

UNSW expert Renate Egan explains how countries around the world have reacted to the oil and gas supply chain issues caused by the fallout of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/rise-renewables-how-ukraine-war-has-changed-global-energy-policies

Policing Extinction Rebellion protests cost the Met over £10million
https://www.bigissue.com/news/activism/met-police-extinction-rebellion-protest-april-2022-costs/

A Pipeline Giant Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Environmental Crimes
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/10082022/a-pipeline-giant-pleads-no-contest-to-environmental-crimes-in-pennsylvania-after-homeowners-complained-of-tainted-water/

The US spent six decades losing the climate war as fossil fuel companies spread misinformation. It has finally gained significant ground
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/12/the-us-spent-six-decades-losing-the-climate-war-it-has-finally-gained-significant-ground

[California] is aiming to reach 25,000 megawatts of offshore wind capacity by 2045, about as much as all of Europe has today.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/12/23302862/california-offshore-wind-goal-renewable-energy-clean-electricity-floating-turbine

These Youth Climate Activists Are Taking Europe to Court
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/08/these-youth-climate-activists-are-taking-europe-to-court/

Study finds 100% renewables would pay off within 6 years. New research from Stanford University researcher Mark Jacobson outlines how 145 countries could meet 100% of their business-as-usual energy needs with wind, water, solar and energy storage.
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/08/09/study-finds-100-renewables-would-pay-off-within-6-years/

'Our fields shouldn't be full of solar panels': Truss vows to crackdown on renewables development
https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4054209/fields-shouldnt-solar-panels-truss-vows-crackdown-renewables-development
>> No. 453200 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 11:33 am
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>>453193

>Liz Truss defends energy firms saying profit is not evil

If she becomes PM, it will give Labour the opportunity of the decade to regain power.
>> No. 453208 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 1:18 pm
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>Liz Truss, the Tory leadership frontrunner, is a strong communicator, gutsy and could prove to be an economic “nightmare” for Labour, according to some of the opposition party’s leading strategists. Allies of Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer have also been impressed by the way the foreign secretary has grown into the contest to succeed outgoing prime minister Boris Johnson. “The idea of her being a pushover is very much wide of the mark,” said one.

>In a poll this week by Redfield & Wilton Strategies asking who would make the better prime minister, Truss enjoyed a three-point lead over Starmer while her rival, former chancellor Rishi Sunak, trailed Starmer by six points. “Liz Truss is no fool, she is gutsy,” said Lord Peter Mandelson, an architect of New Labour’s election victory in 1997, noting she was running as “an early Thatcher insurgent” rather than as a long-serving minister.

>Truss has also won some respect in Starmer’s inner circle, with one ally of his saying that “her clear strength is the simplicity of her message. She talks about what she is for, while Sunak sounds like he’s talking about what he is against. There’s no complacency from our point of view. She looks like she has been liberated by the prospect of taking the top job,” they added.
https://www.ft.com/content/1583d277-6b6a-4b97-81ba-35e9ceb0fa22

It's over lad. All that electric money will sit with it's rightful owner and the voters will pay for it.
>> No. 453210 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 2:11 pm
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>>453208

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss

People just can't be arsed to take five minutes to find out who she really is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all a Labour supporter, but she would be a much more controversial figure in office than people seem to think at the moment.
>> No. 453232 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 10:12 pm
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>#EndeGelände blockading the dirty coal plant #moorburg is the German #climatejustice-movement coming home: in 2008, we organised the 1st climate & antiracist camp. Then, we were a few hundred, & were defeated. Today, we are thousands, & we defeat them. https://twitter.com/MuellerTadzio/status/1558437393874698240
Ende Gelände (`Here, and no further`) is a German climate movement which for the past 14 years has been taking Mario Savio's advice (www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9AoQgtOCA) invading open-face coal mines en masse to prevent them functioning. Anyway they're claiming a very successful year this time; not just blockading it but also sabotaging some of the machinery.
Pete the Temp is a bit cringeworthy at times but this music video of his has some great footage of them at work.


Climate activists in south-eastern France have filled golf course holes with cement to protest against the exemption of golf greens from water bans amid the country's severe drought.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62532840
>> No. 453233 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 10:18 pm
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>>453232

Also, not in the news at all, but activists in Surrey using tunnels to prevent Exxonmobil's pipeline construction, intended to deliver aviation fuel to Heathrow for its third runway, have managed to cause enough delay that the tunnelling machine (needed to dig a hole for the pipeline under the M25) has been sent away.
>> No. 453235 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 11:32 pm
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>>453232

>Climate activists in south-eastern France have filled golf course holes with cement to protest against the exemption of golf greens from water bans amid the country's severe drought.

That's a great idea regardless of the current drought. Fucking elitist sport, consumes vast areas of space just so that a few middle aged and old tossers can whack a ball and then go after it.
>> No. 453236 Anonymous
13th August 2022
Saturday 11:33 pm
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>>453235

It's a nice idea but I imagine it's not too difficult to pull the concrete plug out. There are alternative methods.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjgexw/someone-has-been-shitting-in-the-holes-of-a-golf-course-for-10-years
>> No. 453241 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:05 am
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>>453235
It also appears that golf has been used as a front for the Saudis to launder money to some fat seppo cunt in exchange for some spicy secrets.

Fuck golf.
>> No. 453242 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:12 am
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>>453236

Reminds me of a friend who got an ASBO for defecating on the bonnet of an S-class Mercedes late one night while he was off his tits, and writing "Enjoy your shit car" with a permanent marker on it.

It was kind of bordering on performance art.
>> No. 453244 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 12:12 pm
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It’s raining PFAS: even in Antarctica and on the Tibetan plateau rainwater is unsafe to drink
https://www.su.se/english/news/it-s-raining-pfas-even-in-antarctica-and-on-the-tibetan-plateau-rainwater-is-unsafe-to-drink-1.620735

The U.S. in July set a new record for overnight warmth
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/13/1117341558/us-july-sets-new-record-overnight-warmth

2 dead after heavy rain flooded Las Vegas streets in the wettest monsoon season in a decade
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/13/weather/2-dead-las-vegas-flooding/index.html

Europe set for record wildfire destruction in 2022
https://www.dw.com/en/europe-set-for-record-wildfire-destruction-in-2022/a-62802068
(Admittedly `records began` in 2006)

Mass crop failures expected in England as farmers demand hosepipe bans
Leaked documents predict crop failure rates of up to 50% as water companies resist calls to prioritise food production
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/12/mass-crop-failures-expected-in-england-as-farmers-demand-hosepipe-bans
>> No. 453247 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>453244
I'm not having a pop, but what exactly are you aiming to achieve with these posts?

This isn't exactly a website full of climate change sceptics, my very sweaty balls will attest to this, we know that the planet is fucked. Isn't this just preaching to the choir?
>> No. 453248 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 4:00 pm
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>>453247
There's at least one poster here who loves the endless doom-mongering. And I quite enjoy them sometimes, although I never bother clicking the links and I don't even always "Click here to view the full text". But a third of all our posters really enjoy the links, and I'm sure you will agree that climate panic will go down once our tropical heat has dwindled to the usual rainy shit that the rest of you seem so desperate for. It's good to keep these stories in the zeitgeist, especially considering how few of them ever appear on the actual news.
>> No. 453250 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 4:28 pm
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>>453247
Anyone that chose to have children is a de facto climate sceptic.
>> No. 453251 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 6:12 pm
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So energy prices are going up because energy is hard to get. But there are droughts across Europe. Will our water bills go up too?
>> No. 453252 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 6:35 pm
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https://www.kentonline.co.uk/malling/news/fire-breaks-out-near-old-golf-course-271915/

>Fire breaks out near Oastpark Golf Course in Snodland

I guess you have to take the good with the bad.
>> No. 453253 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 6:47 pm
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>>453248
There's a good portion of positive news in there but if you're not clicking to see all you won't see that.

>>453247
Plenty of people were downplaying it when the other thread started. If they're not now then the thread made some differences. Or the weather did.
>> No. 453254 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 6:56 pm
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>>453253
>Or the weather did.

I've noticed a lot more people are suddenly realising how important this issue is, only because now it affects them.
>> No. 453256 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:03 pm
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>>453255

To be very honest, I never liked Greta. I fully agree that climate change is probably THE single most important issue we're facing in our time, and that we need to take drastic action now. But that doesn't mean I can't personally dislike somebody within that movement.
>> No. 453257 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:14 pm
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>>453256

She's a useful figurehead in some respects, that's about it. All the anti-Greta stuff just bemused me because it seemed to be reacting to something mostly imaginary. Comes across as the same shame-to-anger reflex that fills the world with people who are loudly angry about mostly imaginary militant vegans.
>> No. 453260 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:22 pm
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>>453257

The thing is, it's difficult to explain to people that I'm actually pro-climate activism, and that failing or refusing to see endearing qualities in Greta as a person like everybody else seems to do doesn't mean I'm some sort of alt-right climate change denier. It's also not a case of attacking the messenger, because, again, I'm pro-activism in principle. I guess I just don't feel represented by her. In any way at all.
>> No. 453261 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:25 pm
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>>453259

Oh lad.
>> No. 453262 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:35 pm
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The issue with Greta is a bit like the issue with a lot of the political left in general.

When all the "figureheads" are pretty well off middle class folk who can basically only afford the privilege of being in the leadership position because they are blessed with the kind of family or connections or what have you to prop them up through years of campaigning where they're not really earning a viable independent living, it becomes all too easy to discredit and slander them on that basis (and worse, sometimes quite legitimately, because that background leaves them hopelessly out of touch).

Catch 22 really though innit.
>> No. 453263 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:39 pm
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>>453260

I don't feel represented by her either but don't really see what that has to do with anything at all. If you spend more time trying to explain to people why you don't like her than you do actually actively trying to make positive change then the point is moot, you're being obstructive.
What's with this "I'm for X thing in principle" attitude? Some sort of hangover from when people thought changing their Facebook display picture was activism? Having an opinion about something isn't the same as actually supporting it.
>> No. 453264 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:49 pm
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>>453262
It's the same with Jack Monroe. If she'd grown up on a council estate, complete with a chav accent and mannerisms rather than being a well spoken posho who's decided to slum it, then she'd never have been the darling of the Guardian.
>> No. 453265 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:52 pm
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She's annoying, but really passionate people always are. Activism is always going to be fundamentally and inescapably obnoxious and annoying to some people. Nobody wants to sit through some hectoring lecture from a sanctimonious whiner, but the whiners need to be persistent or we'll never learn. The #MeToo movement was right about absolutely everything, but you can't tell me you never wanted them to fuck off too. The NHS is negligently underfunded, but some wanker who brings that up every single day is going to wind up hated by everyone, even though it's still true. The only reason I like Malala Yousefzaei and if you're going to have sexual thoughts about teenage female activists, she's the patrician choice is because she seems to have largely shut up now.

And of course, if we really wanted Greta Thunberg to disappear forever, we could always just permanently solve climate change so she has nothing to talk about. If we're not even willing to do that, then frankly we deserve her.
>> No. 453266 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:56 pm
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>>453262

I think you've put in words a bit more what I couldn't quite put my finger on.
>> No. 453268 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 10:58 pm
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>>453264

Your perfect hero is never going to come, and if they could then bots, conspiracy theories and the media would convince you they hadn't anyway. For a site that likes to dismiss idpol, there's a lot of complaining about representation here.
>> No. 453270 Anonymous
14th August 2022
Sunday 11:42 pm
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>>453268

>For a site that likes to dismiss idpol, there's a lot of complaining about representation here.

Class =/= identity.

The classic "you don't like idpol but you say the same stuff about class" line of reasoning is fundamentally flawed in that it belies a misunderstanding of exactly and specifically why the idpol is being dismissed; either that, or a fundamental misapprehension of what precisely is meant by idpol in the first place.

Regardless I, the one true classlad, would never use the term "representation" anyway because any discourse concerning it is bound to be mindless drivel.

Like the Radio 4 thing I was listening to earlier about a black lass who didn't feel "represented" by country music and that country music has always been "too white", as though she's the first person in the fucking world to have discovered the African American blues root in 20th century popular music that virtually every music critic and artist worth their salt of the last 60-odd years has always openly acknowledged, because when you heard Deford Bailey on the radio in the 1920s you couldn't hear that he was black. Daft twat.
>> No. 453273 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 1:31 am
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>>453270

>country music

A particular gripe of mine: the connection between African and European folk music in America is a two-way street, but you aren't allowed to mention it. The orthodox narrative is of white singers stealing black music, which is in many cases true, but there's a much wider and deeper pattern of folk traditions intermingling in working-class communities.

There is concrete evidence that sea shanties entered the English tradition from African work songs via the port of New Orleans and equally concrete evidence that large parts of the blues tradition are drawn directly from British ballad singing. The banjo is indisputably African, blue notes are indisputably Anglo-Irish, the English folk revival was kickstarted by Alan Lomax and Big Bill Broonzy in equal measure.

Apparently, suggesting that black and white working-class people have deep historical connections and a profound kinship is a form of white supremacy. The only thing we're allowed to remember from history is hatred and division, but we definitely can't ask who created and benefited from that division. Class is the second dirtiest word in modern politics; the dirtiest is solidarity.

If you'll excuse me, I'm just going to watch The Proud Valley for the umpteenth time and perhaps have a little cry.


>> No. 453278 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 9:14 am
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>>453270

Sure, your own protected class is special and valid, not like any of the others. It doesn't really matter. Every moment spent arguing about whether a voice calling for change has a rough enough accent is a moment that could have been spent chasing a Tory through the streets in a reverse fox hunt. What >>453273 is saying applies too; from the French revolution to the Arab Spring, it's not the working class beginning these things, not alone. It's hard to start a revolution when you're being worked to death.
>> No. 453280 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 11:06 am
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Interesting to see that even the worst people on the planet have figured this out, despite the shitrag trying to tell them otherwise.
>> No. 453282 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 11:49 am
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>>453278

> from the French revolution to the Arab Spring, it's not the working class beginning these things, not alone. It's hard to start a revolution when you're being worked to death.

Yes and no. To start with, every revolution needs a critical mass of people who have had enough and who are fed up with the current system. It cannot just be brought about by a system's privileged class turning against its leaders, and up until then, any revolution is just a pipe dream harboured by armchair intellectuals and a (pseudo-)intelligentsia who are always against everything as a matter of principle.

It may be true that a revolution needs those forethinkers, but it's only when the common person has had enough and feels that the hardship and limitations of their everyday lives has become unbearable that they will take to the streets and start revolting.

Also, you have to keep in mind that many people will actively oppose a revolution, if they are among the ones who benefit from the system, however unjust it may be. One of my friends at uni was German, she was from Saxony in the former East. Her parents were part of East Germany's privileged educated middle class, her dad was a school teacher and her mum a company physician at a big combine factory. They were both staunch Socialist Party members and kept believing in socialism long after the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification. People like them were blissfully oblivious to the harm and the restrictions that the common people who weren't in some way part of the social and political establishment had to endure every day, and they seem to downplay it to this day.
>> No. 453283 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 11:56 am
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>>453280
I don't think the top rated comments are unreasonable most of the time, barring their obsession that the country could be solved if we'd just turn back the Albanians crossing the Channel in dinghies. The comments on anything to do with Trump and, to a lesser extent, Johnson since he's been forced out are blatantly full of Russian shills though.
>> No. 453284 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 1:05 pm
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>>453282

Yes, the middle classes aren't about to do it on their own. Back to the point about solidarity.
>> No. 453297 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 7:24 pm
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>>453278

As >>453282 suggests, the risk is always that the middle-classes have a vested interest in the status quo. Any effective mass movement has to have a laser-like focus on delivering tangible change for ordinary people, otherwise it just turns into a dog-and-pony show.

It's a really difficult balance. You can't just drag all the traitors to the scaffold, because you lose the skills and experience needed to maintain a functioning state. Conversely, you can't trust them for a second, because every instinct in their body is imploring them to rebuild the systems of power that they understand and that grant them a position of privilege.

It's worth remembering that the French revolution lasted more than twenty years after the storming of the Bastille. Getting rid of the bastard in charge is the easy bit; the hard part is stopping some other bastard from jumping into his shoes.
>> No. 453298 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 7:28 pm
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>>453297

Absolutely, on all points.
>> No. 453300 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 7:40 pm
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>>453297
>It's a really difficult balance. You can't just drag all the traitors to the scaffold, because you lose the skills and experience needed to maintain a functioning state.
Yes you can. In the short term, yes, what you said is true. But in the long term, the fact that it happened, means it is much easier for it to happen again. That in itself will create a new culture, and lower the tolerance of the populace to just keep taking shit.
>> No. 453305 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 9:33 pm
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>>453297

The French revolution always gets brought up in this context, but I think it should be more often as a case study in how not to conduct a revolution and how they can go badly wrong.

On a basic level, it was a bourgeois revolution conducted by the merchant class to overthrow the aristocracy, not a popular revolution for the benefit of the people. It's the only revolution to be painted as positive in the history books precisely because it ended up with the bourgies getting what they wanted. They just got the plebs to do their bidding. This is the great danger of a movement in which the figureheads and leaders are too broadly middle class- Their interests are aligned with the proletariat in terms of bringing about revolution, but not in terms of their desired outcomes from said revolution. The middle class must be kept to heel.

And then of course you have the whole deal with the Napoleons and what have you coming after. History has a weird perspective on Napoleon to say he was basically the prototype model for Hitler. I suppose he didn't do as much genocide, but still, he was the 19th century equivalent of the Americans invading places and saying it's in the name of freedom and democracy.

Overall I just think it's a great shame the Soviet Union collapsed. Not because I think their model of command-economy communism was great, but because it worked well enough to keep our leaders a bit more honest, and forced them to make sure all us povvos in the Free World didn't have a reason to go getting ideas. With them gone, it's been a slow slide back to feudalism ever since.
>> No. 453306 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 9:46 pm
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>>453300

>Yes you can.

You can, but it's pretty much always a disaster. You can get rid of all the people who know how to keep the lights on and the shelves stocked, but people are poorly equipped to build a socialist utopia if they're freezing and starving. Equality counts for nothing if it means that everyone starves to death at the same rate. You can slowly replace people, but that does nothing to reduce the risk of a revolutionary process being subverted. It's a really hard problem with no easy answers.

The allies tried to remove Nazis from public life in post-war Germany; it suited the Soviets to flood the GDR with loyalists, but the Americans couldn't cope with the bureaucratic burdens and the British and French just couldn't afford it. On all sides, brutality and corruption caused massive amounts of resentment and distrust.

Mugabe redistributed white-owned farmland to black Zimbabweans, but the end result was economic collapse, mass unemployment, famine and a lasting dependence on foreign aid. Turning a poor peasant into a landowner doesn't make them any less poor unless you figure out how to give them a fast-track education in agronomy and maintain the capital flows to allow them to invest in seeds, chemicals and equipment. ZANU-PF are now reversing the process and giving that land back, because twenty years later it still isn't being used productively.

The history of revolution is littered with stories of well-intentioned revolutionaries sadly handing power to someone who is much less well-intentioned but who actually knows what they're doing; it's also littered with stories of narcissists who believe that revolutionary zeal is a substitute for competence. Stalinist purges were totally counter-productive and the Great Leap Forward set back the cause of Chinese socialism by at least 20 years.
>> No. 453307 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 9:56 pm
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>>453305

>because it worked well enough to keep our leaders a bit more honest

It didn't work well enough to prevent its own collapse, which is kind of the problem in a nutshell. Whatever the merits of the Russian revolution and the further development of the Soviet state, they painted themselves into a corner that prevented the kind of reforms that were needed to secure a future for the Soviet Union.

I doubt I'll win any friends by saying this, but Deng Xiaoping is the most important figure in 20th century socialism and the refusal of western socialists to even acknowledge him as a socialist lies at the core of why western socialism is moribund. The Boluan Fanzheng period was a miracle - a legitimate, walking-on-water miracle - and we ignore it at our peril. 实事求是。
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15th August 2022
Monday 10:12 pm
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>>453307
The French Revolution was, apologies for the loaded term, a great leap forward for all humanity. Yes, it was helmed by middle-class intellectuals and after a generation the Bourbons were back in charge, for a time. But it is irrational to look at it and say it "went wrong", it forever changed politics for the better and even the Napoleonic Empire, for all it's imperialist pomp and warring, exported vital ideas of liberty, self-determination and up-ended the serf society most of Europe still laboured under at that time. I also take issue with painting the working-class of Paris, and France at large, as gormless foot soldiers for their intellectual betters. They were the engine of the revolution and while they certainly spent a lot time bouncing off the rev limiter, they tore down the Ancien Regime and defended their new government from the reactionary European powers with incredible vigour and purpose.

>Overall I just think it's a great shame the Soviet Union collapsed... because it worked well enough to keep our leaders a bit more honest
This is political headcanon.
>> No. 453312 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 11:13 pm
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>>453308

It was the birth of liberalism, which is fine if you're a liberal, but I think we're all well aware of and comfortable with, by now, the fact that liberalism is the death of ideology and human advancement. The enlightenment and the idea of liberal democracy as the "end of history" are all bollocks.

Pol Pot had the right idea. You bloody set of anorak wearing spods, glasses wearers and book readers will get what's coming to you.
>> No. 453313 Anonymous
15th August 2022
Monday 11:47 pm
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>>453312
It was not the "birth of liberalism" but the kickstart to all modern political thought. You're not getting Marx without it or the end of Europe-wide serfdom and the slow death of the rest of Europe's ancien regimes. If you want to bear witness to the "death of human advancement", try life as a European farmer at any point from the death throws of the Western Roman Empire until about 1848. Newspaper columnists with opinions so trite and unhelpful it beggers belief might be frustrating, but at least you have the political philosphies at hand to explain to the police why you emailed a bomb threat to The TImes.

You complain about the "end of history", but apparently a pack of only mostly literate Frenchmen were supposed to go from absolute monarchy to fully-automated luxury communism in the span of one Summer in 1789, now who's talking "bollocks"? I'm sure if all humanity had become Diggers in 1650 we'd be planning our first voyage to Alpha Centuri by now, but it didn't work out that so we got the French Revolution instead.
>> No. 453315 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 2:59 am
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>>453313

These are terrible attempts at counterargument, now get back to work you university-degfree-having homo brain. We're not listening to your honeyed words any more, time for you to learn how to work a cold steel press or get put in one.
>> No. 453316 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 4:02 am
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The huge and evil USA produces only 13% of global CO2.

This is not a problem the west can solve.
>> No. 453317 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 6:39 am
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>>453316

The USA has 4% of the global population. If we look at total emissions since 1750, the USA is responsible for nearly 25% of emissions.

If you think that poorer countries in an earlier stage of industrial development will agree to reduce their emissions when richer countries who have benefited from centuries of high-carbon industries won't, you're a complete fucking melt.

The rich world did most of the damage, the rich world reaped most of the benefit and it's incumbent on them to find equitable solutions, because they've got the most to lose. Bangladeshis are used to terrible floods. Ethiopians are used to terrible drought. The Congolese are used to endless wars over natural resources. Poor countries will suffer the worst from climate change, but they've had plenty of practice; people in rich countries are in denial about what the future holds for them and are not ready to adapt.
>> No. 453318 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 7:27 am
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>If you think that poorer countries in an earlier stage of industrial development will agree to reduce their emissions when richer countries who have benefited from centuries of high-carbon industries won't, you're a complete fucking melt.

No, I don't think that.

Which is why it can't be solved anyway. These 'equitable solutions' don't exist because as you have already said the polluters are not concerned by it.
>> No. 453319 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 7:49 am
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If anything, the equitable solutions involve a combination of highly developed countries reducing their emissions and helping developing nations to reduce theirs. It's not enough to simply tell those countries to cut their emissions, we need to provide them with the resources and technology they need to do it rather than expecting them to do it off their own backs.
>> No. 453320 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 8:07 am
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>If you think that poorer countries in an earlier stage of industrial development will agree to reduce their emissions when richer countries who have benefited from centuries of high-carbon industries won't, you're a complete fucking melt.
Obviously this is why the economic powerhouses of Lithuania, Malta, Chile, Portugal and Morocco have such good climate policies. People in less developed countries in a lot of places are very aware of the effects of climate change and probably won't insist on having personal card if it means their home cities becoming uninhabitable. You can't 'practice' famine and decide you're okay with more of it. That whole argument from greed is projection.
>> No. 453321 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 8:24 am
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>>453316

Given there are 195 countries that is a staggering amount. People going around saying "But this country only produces a percentage of the total!" don't seem to understand that percentages add up and nobody's expecting any one country to solve it all on their own.
>> No. 453323 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 9:42 am
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Not only that, but countries that contribute the biggest shares to global pollution also lead by bad example. Why should a small nation tell its citizens to not have combustion engine cars and watch their fossil fuel consumption, when large countries, which also export a lot of their polluting technology to those smaller countries, just can't be arsed.
>> No. 453324 Anonymous
16th August 2022
Tuesday 9:43 am
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Sir Kier posing a pretty radical solution to the climate crisis inshThe Great White Whale.
>> No. 453331 Anonymous
17th August 2022
Wednesday 5:09 am
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I question your image sir, that can't possibly be true.

Can it?
>> No. 453332 Anonymous
17th August 2022
Wednesday 6:26 am
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It sounds like bollocks.

>In 2020, there were 434,024 live births to UK-born women and 179,881 live births to non-UK-born women. The percentage of live births to non-UK-born women continued to rise, increasing from 28.7% in 2019 to 29.3% in 2020.

>In 2020, the estimated total fertility rate (TFR) for UK-born women decreased to 1.50 children per woman, down from 1.57 children per woman in 2019, which is a decrease of 4.5%. While for non-UK-born women the TFR increased slightly to 1.98 children per woman, up from 1.97 in 2019, this is an increase of 0.5% (Figure 1).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2020

I've had a look at the birth characteristics spreadsheet and table 21 says out of 613,231 live births in 2020 there were 359,519 white British births, 72,133 white other (mainly Polish) births and 22,000 where the ethnicity wasn't recorded. That'd make it somewhere around 58% of children are white British.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/birthcharacteristicsinenglandandwales

Thats assuming I've read the data right. Migration Watch (I know) has the figure for white British births at 61% in 2019, a fall from 65% in 2014, so a similar ballpark.
>> No. 453365 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 2:23 pm
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5.9 Trillions Tonnes Of Ice Lost Due To Climate Change In 25 Years
https://themorningnews.com/news/2022/08/17/5-9-trillions-tonnes-of-ice-lost-due-to-climate-change-in-25-years/

American farmers are killing their own crops and selling cows because of extreme drought
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/17/business/west-drought-farmers-survey-climate/index.html

George Monbiot says that organic, pasture fed animals are actually worse than factory ones though honestly that shouldn't be surprising.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/16/most-damaging-farm-products-organic-pasture-fed-beef-lamb

Bad climate fucks up bees in new and exciting ways
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/18/climate-stress-bumblebees-asymmetrical-wings
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2022/august/climate-stress-changing-physical-shape-of-UK-bumblebees.html

Contaminated water from fracking up to 3x more likely to cause leukaemia. Why isn't 'fracking' in my computer's dictionary? It's not a new thing.
https://www.desmog.com/2022/08/17/children-fracking-sites-higher-risk-cancer-leukemia/

In 2021, we lost enough trees to cover all of Portugal to forest fires. Obvious drawbacks of "carbon credits" and offsets through forestry being spelled out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62569394

Fossil Fuel companies still knowingly taking us over the edge.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/961868

It rained a lot here yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62574134

But worse in New Zealand.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/18/new-zealand-floods-hundreds-evacuate-as-atmospheric-river-brings-deluge

The only positive news I could find today is this vice article on environmentalist hackers.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d39j3/meet-the-environmental-hacktivists-trying-to-sabotage-mining-companies
>> No. 453366 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 2:42 pm
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>Children living close to fracking sites in Pennsylvania are two to three times more likely to be diagnosed with leukemia, and contamination of drinking water is suspected as an avenue of exposure, according to a new study.

I don't understand why, After Gasland, you're not taking much more salt when it comes to claims about fracking in Pennsylvania. I mean, I do of course because you're a mentalist grasping at whatever shock story you can, but the most damming thing would be that rigs have different operators using different chemical processes and despite over a decade of work there's still not a smoking gun.

Now admittedly part of that is because trade secrets make it difficult to catalogue what's going where unless you're an environmental regulator but this is DU causing cancer levels of evidence.
>> No. 453367 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 2:50 pm
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>>453366

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
>> No. 453368 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 2:54 pm
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>>453366

In my year at school, we had a fucking annoying sperg who lived in a rural village less than a mile from a rubbish dump. We would sometimes theorise that his elevated level of spergness had to do with the fact that toxins from the dump may have leaked into the local water. Or something like it, because little else could explain his quite severe symptoms. And he occasionally mentioned that down the street from him lived two children who had both been born crippled.
>> No. 453369 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 3:22 pm
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>you're a mentalist grasping at whatever shock story you can
That's funny. I went out of my way to find a positive story, and ignored a lot of other negative ones because they seemed less relevant. It took me about five seconds to pull up these:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34m93/scientists-discover-new-trigger-for-mass-extinction-of-all-deep-ocean-life
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/17/texas-unplanned-chemical-release-air-pollution/
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/18/cigarette-butts-how-the-no-1-most-littered-objects-are-choking-our-coasts
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/18082022/laredo-confronts-drought-and-water-shortage-without-a-wealth-of-options/
https://theconversation.com/conditions-in-prisons-during-heat-waves-pose-deadly-threats-to-incarcerated-people-and-prison-staff-188272
https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/food/animal-agricultures-impact-on-climate-change/
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/a-next-level-water-crisis-colorado-river-basin-faces-tier-2-restrictions/
https://scitechdaily.com/57-of-species-startling-numbers-of-small-mammals-are-plastic-positive/
https://www.salon.com/2022/08/17/even-a-small-rise-in-temperatures-could-decimate-north-american-forests_partner/
https://investigatemidwest.org/2022/08/10/no-excuse-why-theyre-taking-so-long-iowa-farmers-are-fed-up-with-lengthy-pesticide-misuse-investigations/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/08/16/giant-sequoias-fire-mariposa-grove/
http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0818/c90000-10136900.html
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-a-harsh-reality-check-on-using-trees-and-carbon-capture-to-fight-climate-change-11658339204
https://newrepublic.com/article/167442/freya-walrus-killed-human-stupidity
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/8/13/23301768/inflation-reduction-act-agriculture-meat-dairy-farming-plant-based
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/highly-antibiotic-resistant-strain-of-mrsa-in-pigs-can-jump-to-humans-study/
I guess you're just a twat.
>> No. 453370 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 3:41 pm
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>>453368
Wait until you see what a royal upbringing will do to your genetic code.

>>453369
>It took me about five seconds to pull up these

And it shows. Here is a paper calling discussion on glaciers sexist and imperialist, put that in your pipe and smoke it you shitlord.
https://feminets.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/fisherperson-and-glacier.pdf
>> No. 453371 Anonymous
18th August 2022
Thursday 3:50 pm
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>shitlord
There it is.
>> No. 453444 Anonymous
21st August 2022
Sunday 8:36 pm
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>Reptile boom 250 million years ago may have been due to global warming

>A spike in global temperatures could have been the trigger for the rise of reptiles towards the end of the Permian Period, not a mass extinction of mammals as had been thought


Time to get that lizard brain back in shape.
>> No. 453446 Anonymous
21st August 2022
Sunday 9:02 pm
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>>453444
I've been preparing for this day since 2005.
>> No. 453449 Anonymous
21st August 2022
Sunday 11:00 pm
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>>453446
Good lord.
>> No. 453462 Anonymous
22nd August 2022
Monday 12:06 pm
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/china-just-ran-into-something-that-could-be-even-more-devastating-for-its-supply-chains-than-covid-19-lockdowns-a-record-heat-wave/ar-AA10RyZ2
Heat wave in China broke about 52 heat records. Still ongoing.
That's impacting production.
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/shanghais-bund-dark-china-heatwave-080739950.html
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Supply-Chain/China-heat-wave-adds-pressure-on-supply-chains-of-Tesla-others
>> No. 453472 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 9:32 am
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>>453462
China is experiencing the worst heatwave ever recorded in global history.

The combined intensity, duration, scale, and impact of this heatwave is unlike anything humans have ever recorded.

Over 260 locations have seen their hottest days ever during this 70+ day heatwave.
>> No. 453473 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 9:34 am
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>August 25 will be day #75 of this brutal unprecedented heat wave which is combining max. sigma of length, intensity and area as never seen before in world climatic history. Many stations with >70+ years of POR will have recorded all their 25-30 hottest days all in these weeks.

So that's a number of areas having month-long spells of the hottest temperatures they've ever recorded. Imagine our heatwave but instead of two days, it lasts a month. Also it's up to five degrees C hotter than it was here.
>> No. 453474 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 9:42 am
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>>453473

Something to keep in mind the next time someone in Birmingham moans about three days above 29°C in a row.
>> No. 453478 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 5:14 pm
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>>453474
It's the chinkies wot are filling the atmosphere with CO2 anyway.
>> No. 453484 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 7:43 pm
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>>453478
China's investing in renewables like America invests in war.
>Last year the US boasted that it was on track to deploy about 30 gigawatts of new renewables. In China, the figure could be as hight as 180 gigawatts. Last year China alone accounted for 46 per cent of the world’s new construction of renewable energy infrastructure.
https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/what-if-china-saved-the-world-and-nobody-noticed-20220818-p5bavz.html
https://about.bnef.com/blog/renewable-energy-sector-defies-supply-chain-challenges-to-hit-a-record-first-half-for-new-investment
https://www.csis.org/east-green-chinas-global-leadership-renewable-energy
>> No. 453488 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 8:39 pm
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>>453484

So what percentage is that of 8.31 trillion kilowatt-hours?

I don't want to do the maths but it doesn't sound like much.
>> No. 453489 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 8:41 pm
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>>453488

I'm not sure how valid whataboutism is normally but in this case you're simultaneously implicitly downplaying how much everyone else is doing.
>> No. 453493 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 9:50 pm
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>>453489

Depends. Does the 180 gigawatts of new renewables provide more, or less, than the 10% China's energy usage went up last year?

Because if it's less, it's pretty meaningless in the bigger picture. I mean, it's still a good thing to invest in the renewables, but it's wilfully ignorant to just clamp your ears shut and ignore the fact their power consumption rose by more than that in total.

The point is even the most that's being done, the biggest investment any country is making, simply isn't anywhere near enough.
>> No. 453494 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 10:06 pm
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The proportion of China's energy produced by renewables has more than doubled since 2011, from 7.08% to 14.95%. At that rate, they'll be zero-carbon by 2050.

China burn a lot of coal at the moment, but their energy policy is probably best described as "extremely not fucking about".

The Three Gorges Dam is the biggest power station on earth. It single-handedly supplies enough energy to cover 1/3 of the UK's energy needs. The Chinese government had to relocate 13 cities and re-house 1.2 million people to make room for the reservoir. It's so massive that when they finally closed the gates and started to fill the reservoir, NASA had to re-do their orbital calculations because the immense weight of water changed the shape of the earth.

Chinese cities operate a quota system for new car registrations. If you're buying an electric vehicle, you usually get a registration plate straight away. If you want a petrol or diesel vehicle, you need to either bid for a registration at auction or enter a lottery, depending on the city. In Beijing, where plates are allocated by lottery, there are 2,600 applicants for every plate. In Shenzhen, where plates are auctioned, the average price is more than £12,000.

The idea that China aren't doing enough about climate change would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. The CCCP doesn't give a fuck about popularity for fairly obvious reasons, so they're willing to do massively disruptive things that would cause riots in other, less torturey countries. British people effectively have the right to veto a wind turbine if they can see it out of their window, but the CCCP will happily flood a dozen cities that happen to be in the wrong place. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to enjoy an indefinite stay in a 公安部 health spa with complimentary gonad electrodes, refreshing waterboarding treatments, invigorating daily bastinado and absolutely no catering. If China aren't doing enough, then we might as well just torch earth for the insurance and try again on mars, because they're making progress on a scale that most countries could only dream of.
>> No. 453495 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 10:18 pm
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You're missing a large part of the picture; this isn't just low/zero carbon power plants they're investing in, it's also infrastructure for the advancement and production of the tech itself. It's pushing the bar on the low carbon economy, which they profit from by exporting. This means lower developed countries like those in Africa don't have to go through a fossil fuel phase and means we can move ahead faster with ours too. At least, if we had a functioning government we could. It means the rest of the world can, anyway.
As it is, ours are just trying to wring the last possible cash they can out of fossil fuel companies before it's too late. Not to mention what >>453494 so eloquently explained.
>> No. 453496 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 10:30 pm
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>>453494

>The proportion of China's energy produced by renewables has more than doubled since 2011, from 7.08% to 14.95%. At that rate, they'll be zero-carbon by 2050.

Well then lad. If you don't think I'm petty enough to come back here in 2050 and see if that turns out to have been true, you are dead wrong.
>> No. 453497 Anonymous
23rd August 2022
Tuesday 10:43 pm
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Photovoltaic solar panels are now the cheapest source of energy. Storing and transporting that energy is a different problem, but in simple terms of cost-per-kilowatt, solar is king. That is entirely due to the industrial might that China use to undercut everyone on everything. China are the lynchpin of the carbon transition by default, because they're the only country with the infrastructure and the expertise to make that sort of stuff on a massive scale.

If some genius breaks the laws of thermodynamics and invents a free energy device, you can bet your arse that the one you buy will be stamped with the words "Made in China".
>> No. 453508 Anonymous
24th August 2022
Wednesday 9:03 am
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>China are the lynchpin of the carbon transition by default, because they're the only country with the infrastructure and the expertise
It's not a late-start round of Civ, they didn't start the game with those things. They have them because they invested in them.
Anyway I don't really care, this tech isn't going to stop things from getting significantly and rapidly worse in our lifetime. Maybe they'll ease the way back after that, if the future's lucky.
>> No. 453578 Anonymous
27th August 2022
Saturday 10:52 am
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Some recent studies on how effective protest is and has been recently.
https://www.socialchangelab.org/research
And a thread by one of the researchers summarising their findings.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1561680363088498693.html
It seems all the "This is why nobody supports you!" stuff is hot air. Obviously it's all correlation because you can't prove causation, but it's a very strong positive correlation.
>> No. 453580 Anonymous
27th August 2022
Saturday 10:58 am
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Chad: Unprecedented flooding affects more than 340,000 people

Greater Horn of Africa drought forecast to continue for fifth year
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125552

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-62684037
Millions of people have been affected by floods in laplanderstan, hundreds have been killed, and the government has declared a national emergency.

Worst Heat Wave On Record In China Is Causing Power Outages - A power outage triggered by a record heat wave and severe drought has wrecked havoc in Sichuan, a province in southwestern China home to 80 million people.
https://china-underground.com/2022/08/26/worst-heat-wave-on-record-in-china-is-causing-power-outages/

Germany, Denmark sign deal to ramp up renewable energy
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-denmark-sign-deal-to-ramp-up-renewable-energy/a-62940883

Norway and Rwanda (?) are leading a coalition working to eliminate plastic pollution.
https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/norway-and-rwanda-are-leading-a-coalition-working-to-eliminate-plastic-pollution-the-us-isnt-a-part-for-now-/articleshow/93805969.cms

Sale of peat-based compost for use on private gardens and allotments to be outlawed within 18 months
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/27/englands-gardeners-to-be-banned-from-using-peat-based-compost
I'm dubious about this given how many times it's been claimed peat-based compost will be phased out over the past 30-40 years.
>> No. 453581 Anonymous
27th August 2022
Saturday 11:16 am
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>has wrecked havoc
I've got al-Jazeera on TV in the background, and someone on there said "wrecked havoc" in relation to this story too. You wreak havoc. It has wrought havoc. You don't wreck havoc. How interesting that someone presumably just copied and pasted that article and gave it to the newsreader, and that's how news reporting works.
>> No. 453582 Anonymous
27th August 2022
Saturday 11:23 am
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>>453581

Good catch. Hopefully one day someone will read a headline copy and pasted from here, wordfilters intact.
>> No. 453588 Anonymous
27th August 2022
Saturday 12:02 pm
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>>453581

>It has wrought havoc

Not to nitpick, but while we're at it anyway, shouldn't it be wreaked?

Wrought is an old past tense of "work". Which is why wrought iron isn't something you wreak, but something you've worked.
>> No. 453622 Anonymous
28th August 2022
Sunday 2:26 pm
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More than 30 million people in laplanderstan have been affected by the historic monsoon rains and flooding over the last few weeks

The latest destruction saw a major bridge destroyed overnight, cutting off some districts from road access, in the northern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Nearly 1,000 people have been killed in the floods since mid-June, which have been triggered by heavy monsoon rains.

Fears of flooding has prompted around 180,000 people in the district of Charsadda to flee their homes, according to officials.
https://news.sky.com/story/laplanderstan-floods-tens-of-thousands-flee-homes-as-countrys-pm-warns-magnitude-of-calamity-is-worse-than-feared-12683500

Extreme China heatwave could lead to global chaos and food shortages

It's the most extreme heat event ever recorded in world history. For more than 70 days, the intense heat has blasted China's population, factories and fields. Lakes and rivers have dried up. Crops have been killed. Factories have been closed.

More than 900 million people across 17 Chinese provinces are subjected to record-breaking conditions. From Sichuan in the southwest to Shanghai in the east, temperatures have been topping 40C.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/extreme-china-heatwave-could-lead-to-global-chaos-and-food-shortages/D3FVWMBGHJQD355FDM5R43MG4I/

Europe's drought is the worst in 500 years, officials say, as two-thirds of the continent is under distress
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/europe-drought-worst-in-500-years-report/

Oregon wildfire triples its reach in 1 day, burning thousands more acres and forcing evacuations
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/27/us/oregon-rum-creek-wildfire/index.html

‘Time has run out’: UN fails to reach agreement to protect marine life
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/27/united-nations-ocean-treaty-marine-life

Swedish island holds ‘ugliest lawn’ contest to help conserve water
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/08/26/sweden-water-drought-conservation-lawn-contest/

Sale of peat-based compost for use on private gardens and allotments to be outlawed within 18 months
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/27/englands-gardeners-to-be-banned-from-using-peat-based-compost
>> No. 453662 Anonymous
30th August 2022
Tuesday 1:13 pm
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>>453622
laplanderstan's flood update:

- 1,350 people killed
- 50M people displaced
- 900K livestock deaths
- 1M houses washed away
- 40+ reservoirs breached
- 220+ bridges collapsed
- 90% crop damage
- $10B loss to economy
- A third of the country underwater
>> No. 453720 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 10:38 am
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Fuck's sake.
>> No. 453721 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 10:39 am
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Here's a before and after of laplanderstan from space. Their cumulative emissions have been 1% of what the US have put out.
>> No. 453722 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 12:04 pm
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>>453721

Don't worry, the Americans are getting duly punished.


https://floodlist.com/america/usa

https://floodlist.com/america/usa/floods-texas-august-2022

> USA – Deadly Flash Floods in Texas After 385mm of Rain in 24 Hours

https://floodlist.com/america/usa/floods-west-virginia-august-2022

>USA – State of Emergency Declared After Floods in West Virginia
>> No. 453723 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 2:20 pm
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/20892710.boris-johnsons-plane-used-50-000-alcohol-fuelled-tour-moffat/

>Boris Johnson's plane used for £50,000 alcohol fuelled tour over Moffat

>THE Prime Minister’s private jet was used for a 700-mile “booze cruise” by government officials which cost £50,000, according to recent reports.

>The 91-minute flight took off from London Stansted, circling the Lake District and flying over Moffat, before returning back to Stansted. The Sun, who first broke the story, reports that those on-board – UK Foreign Office civil servants – were served “a fancy meal and drinks”.
>> No. 453724 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 4:07 pm
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>>453723

Speaking of, which one of you rotten bastards did this?

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/scarlett-moffatt-tears-stranger-kidnap-27886988
>> No. 453725 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 4:38 pm
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>>453724
>Googlebox star
Journalism really is a piece of piss. No wonder the Russians can say whatever they want and not be any less credible than our own news sources.
>> No. 453726 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 5:52 pm
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>>453724

I think Gabriel Iglesias once did a stand-up comedy bit where he said he's not afraid of getting kidnapped, because kidnappers don't normally take fat people.
>> No. 453727 Anonymous
2nd September 2022
Friday 5:57 pm
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>>453726

Here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbAFSG-Pms
>> No. 453735 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 12:33 am
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>>453724

Speaking of ARE Scarlett, who's the better patron saint for .gs?

I'm still in the Sarah Millican camp, but Scarlett Moffatt is looking increasingly deserving.
>> No. 453737 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 12:59 am
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>>453735

ARE SARAH takes it for me, but ARE SCAR takes a very respectable second. Interesting that we've gone straight from Konnie Huq to Carol Vorderman and a couple of mumsy but childless geordie lasses. We've hit our thirties hard, haven't we? For me, the main strike against Scarlett is that she has failed her driving test thirteen times.

Roxanne off of LadBaby might be on the market soon...
>> No. 453738 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 2:24 am
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>>453737

>and a couple of mumsy but childless geordie lasses

Sarah is a bit past her window, but there's still hope for ARE Scarlett, I think she's only 31.

Well, "hope" is a big word. Then again, fatadmirerlad from a few threads down would probably wreck that be available in a heartbeat.
>> No. 453739 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 2:44 am
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>> No. 453741 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 9:25 am
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>>453739
I don't get it?
>> No. 453744 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 10:59 am
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>>453741

Apparently, smallish oblong rocks cause climate change.
>> No. 453745 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 11:30 am
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>>453744

I think here they're being used to 'disprove' it.
>> No. 453747 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 11:57 am
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https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/14/uk-to-unseat-champagne-wine-region-due-to-climate-change-finds-study

>The UK could unseat top wine-producing regions Champagne and Burgundy in France due to the effects of climate change, according to a new study.

>The Climate Resilience in the UK Wine Sector study found that rising temperatures over the coming years could make Britain a major player in quality wine production.

>Looking at climate projections, researchers said temperatures in the UK wine-growing regions may rise by 1.4°C by 2040 -- on top of the one degree rise since the 1980s.

>This will mean the amount of sugar in UK grapes would be more consistent with better wine quality and higher alcohol content, they said.

>"Production here in the UK has been able to produce sparkling wines that are of a style that are very similar to those produced in Champagne," said lead researcher Professor Stephen Dorling.
>> No. 453777 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 10:48 pm
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>>453735

How about Amy Gledhill as a potential up-and-coming mumsy northerner?


>> No. 453779 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 10:57 pm
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>>453777

Who decided that mumsy has to mean you're also a chub.
>> No. 453781 Anonymous
3rd September 2022
Saturday 11:10 pm
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>>453779

Close your eyes and picture a really nice dinner lady who always gives you extra chips. Is she skinny? Is she bollocks. A hug isn't truly comforting if you can get your arms all the way around. .gs deserves a mumsy figurehead who wouldn't hesitate to offer kind words and extra chips.
>> No. 453788 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 10:35 am
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>>453781

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obesity-is-bad-for-the-environment-study-shows-9wknjl6kc


>Obesity is bad for the environment, study shows

>The research, published in the journal Obesity, finds that in total the extra food consumed by the world’s 600 million obese people has a carbon footprint on a par with that of the UK. Their increased metabolism also means that every year they breathe out extra CO2 equivalent to Sweden’s annual output.
>> No. 453789 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 12:07 pm
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>>453788

It is overconsumption in quite a real way.
>> No. 453791 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 1:02 pm
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>>453788
On second thoughts, fuck the environment.
>> No. 453792 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 2:03 pm
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I think we need to go back to realising that obese people are a drain on society. They're costing the NHS millions every year, and obviously their way of being isn't good for the environment either. Not just because they eat more food and exhale more CO2, but it probably also has an impact on things like your car's fuel consumption. Especially if your whole family is fat. Not only will your old Vauxhall Vectra be underpowered and burn more petrol to get up to speed, but you're probably going to buy a bigger car to accomodate your whole family of chubbies.

It shouldn't be fat shaming to state the obvious, as long as it comes from a matter-of-fact kind of place. Instead of telling them everything's A-OK and that they are fine the way they are. They are not.

Myself, I've gained around 2.5 st since the pandemic. I am working to get it back down, because it's not healthy. I am starting to feel the weight in my knees, ankles and foot arches. I can only imagine that it will get worse if I don't start losing weight now.
>> No. 453798 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 3:58 pm
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The government should freeze energy bills at current prices but only for people of a healthy weight.
>> No. 453799 Anonymous
4th September 2022
Sunday 3:59 pm
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>>453798
Fat people are insulated through their blubber.
>> No. 453990 Anonymous
9th September 2022
Friday 12:13 am
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/07/hateful-tweets-multiply-in-extreme-temperatures-us-analysis-finds

>Hateful tweets multiply dramatically as temperatures become more extreme, an analysis of 4bn geo-located tweets in the US has found.

>Scientists logged rises of up to 22% in racist, whale poacher and homophobic tweets when temperatures rose above 42C, and increases of up to 12% when the mercury fell below -3C, according to a study by The Lancet Planetary Health.

>Annika Stechemesser, its lead author and a scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), said: “We found that both the absolute number and the share of hate tweets rise outside a climate comfort zone. People tend to show a more aggressive online behaviour when it’s either too cold or too hot outside.”
>> No. 454361 Anonymous
19th September 2022
Monday 5:14 pm
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A third of laplanderstan is still under water. At least eleven dead, more missing after massive storms hit the Marche region of Italy; six months of rainfall in three hours. Hurricane Fiona landed two feet of water on Puerto Rico causing floods and landslides, power cuts affecting 1.3 million. Nine million people in Japan have been told to evacuate ahead of super typhoon Nanmadol hitting. The Western US is still under a massive heat dome. And our government is accelerating fossil fuel use, going back on the (slight) renewable progress we'd been making.
>> No. 454385 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 6:18 am
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>>454361

Is it me or has most British and European news utterly failed to report the majority of this?

I try to follow this stuff and the Japan thing had totally passed me by.
>> No. 454388 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 8:34 am
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>>454385

It's generally mentioned somewhere, on a page off the front, but yes.

100,000 displaced by floods in Nigeria; 300 dead this year, 20 this week. Truss announces plans to grant 130 new offshore drilling licenses in the North Sea.
>> No. 454394 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 11:11 am
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The death of Liz, and the new government of Other Liz, has put all other news on the back burner for several weeks. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan seem to have started a war with each other, and the fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan is back with a vengeance. Also, in Leicester, the eskimos and Hindus are all having pitched battles in the streets every night. All these stories have been vaguely nodded to, same as yours, but they've been very easy to miss.
>> No. 454397 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 1:49 pm
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>>454394
Even Puerto Rico is being covered less than the funeral, on American television.
>> No. 454430 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 11:07 pm
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The government's new mini-budget announcements have managed to seriously anger the RSPB. "This Government has today launched an attack on nature. We don’t use the words that follow lightly. We are entering uncharted territory."
"We are currently planning a mass mobilisation of our members and supporters."
https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1573366815568580613
"If ever nature has needed you, it’s now."
The fucking RSPB. Mad.
>> No. 454431 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 11:45 pm
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>>454430

This government is crap, but the RSPB are the worst kind of upper-middle-class NIMBY scum. The only part of the mini-budget that might actually help ordinary people is the planning reforms, but that's the bit that the RSPB oppose. Fuck people who need somewhere to live, fuck people who need somewhere to work, because I want a nice bit of wetland within driving distance of my house so I can go and look at wading birds.
>> No. 454435 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 1:36 am
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>>454431
Classlad, I am flushing you down the toilet. You are thick as pigshit and probably from Bath as well.
>> No. 454438 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 8:52 am
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>>454431
It doesn't help ordinary people if it destroys what little animal habitat is left in this country. I don't get on well with their membership either but they're not wrong on this.
>> No. 454439 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 9:07 am
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>>454435

The vast majority of birds on the RSPB's "endangered birds" list aren't actually endangered or even vulnerable - their global population is entirely secure, the RSPB have just unilaterally asserted that they're "endangered" based on a subjective assessment of their population in the UK. Most of those birds are non-native and a large proportion have migratory routes that naturally fluctuate over time.

They bemoan the "extinction" of oreolus oreolus, despite the fact that the species is thriving from Portugal to China and from Scandinavia to the Middle East, with the species being classified by the IUCN as of least concern. Oreolus oreolus occasionally migrate through East Anglia and a handful of breeding pairs had settled there, which in the eyes of the RSPB means that the tiny British population of a non-native bird must be preserved at all costs.

The RSPB aren't a conservation group, they're a lobby group for a hobby. They use the language of conservation to justify turning large areas of the UK into artificial habitats for non-native birds. They're entitled to hold their point of view, but the rest of us are entitled to find it laughable.
>> No. 454440 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 9:51 am
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This isn't about building artificial habitats for non-native species, which is a wildly dishonest way to describe re-creating original habitats for species whose migratory routes naturally fluctuate through here, as well as the wealth of other species which thrive in those same habitats. You're doing the same "We could save the planet, but at what cost?" nonsense as fossil fuel economists; there's very little point in building more affordable homes if it's done at the cost of destroying what little biodiversity we have left and turning the country even further into a wasteland. This country being the most nature-depleted of all the G7 nations for, and in the bottom 10% globally. We need that biodiversity for the soil we grow food in, for cleaning the air we breathe and as a buffer against dangerous or disease-carrying invasive species. This shit matters, boiling it all down to "But brownfield sites for homes are too much hassle!" is utterly blinkered.
>> No. 454441 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 9:54 am
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I don't know why anyone still cares about the environment. Nuclear armageddon is going to do us all in long before climate change gets a chance.
>> No. 454442 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 10:23 am
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>>454441

One of the outcomes of the worsening climate crisis is social and political instability, which generally lead to war.
>> No. 454443 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 10:49 am
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>This shit matters

I'm a non-car-owning vegan who hasn't been on a plane in more than 15 years, but I couldn't give a fuck about what middle class people like to see out of their window. I do care about ecosystem health, but organisations like the RSPB and the Woodland Trust only pretend to care in order to pursue their own parochial agendas.

This country is already an industrial wasteland. It has been for centuries. It's all brownfield. The last bit of "nature" died in this country hundreds of years ago. There isn't an inch of this country that hasn't been radically reshaped by human activity. Anything we might want to "conserve" is no more natural than what we might replace it with.

The Norfolk Broads are completely artificial. In the middle ages, the whole area was a peat bog. The wetlands and navigable waters are entirely the result of hundreds of years of excavation and subsequent flooding. Conservationists like to pretend otherwise, to great political success, but they're preserving a derelict industrial site.

"Ancient woodland" is defined in this country as anything that has been continuously wooded since 1600. I've got furniture older than that. The vast majority of that "ancient" woodland is old managed forestry, every bit as artificially cultivated as a modern forestry block. The biodiversity isn't evidence of untampered nature, it's just the result of dereliction. If you know what to look for, you can see it everywhere in British woodland - the evidence of coppicing and replanting, the bodger's clearings, the ruins of ore hearths and glass furnaces.

I have no objection whatsoever to carefully planning a reserve of genuinely rewilded national parks and green corridors to maintain a healthy level of biodiversity, but that's not what's happening. Spurious arguments about conservation are being used to choke off development at every turn. Brownfield sites are being treated as priceless heritage by people with a Victorian chocolate-box image of Britain. They're trying to preserve a country that exists only in their imagination, as part of a wider agenda that depends on invalidating our actual history.
>> No. 454444 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 11:15 am
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None of that is an argument for concreting over what few places nature is recovering in, and you know it.
>> No. 454445 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 11:56 am
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Have you ever tried to get planning permission for something? Serious question. Conservation arguments are habitually used to prevent development, even on inarguably brownfield sites. You want to build houses on the site of a derelict factory? Well, what about the runoff water from all of those gardens? What about the impact of traffic noise? Have you surveyed the site for newts?

The RSPB are the single biggest impediment to wind power in this country - ostensibly they only oppose wind turbines in "inappropriate" locations, but funnily enough they can't name any appropriate locations.

This study is from the US, but it clearly illustrates how spurious environmental arguments are exploited by NIMBYs to prevent environmentally beneficial development:

https://issuu.com/hollandknight/docs/ceqa_litigation_abuseissuu?e=16627326/14197714
>> No. 454446 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 11:58 am
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More drought news. Some chap has filmed a receding water reservoir near him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vjp11gGJlQ
>> No. 454447 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 1:55 pm
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>>454442
I'm not sure why you think that's got anything to do a fascist manic throwing nukes around in a conflict that's very much nothing to do with the climate.
>> No. 454448 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 2:10 pm
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>>454445

At no point have I said I agree with not developing on brownfield sites, I even suggested the opposite.

>>454447

You don't see what modern warfare has to do with fossil fuels or how the prospect of dwindling resources might impact tactical decisions? Really? Please watch fewer James Bond films.
>> No. 454449 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 2:18 pm
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>You don't see what modern warfare has to do with fossil fuels or how the prospect of dwindling resources might impact tactical decisions?
Ah, yes, I forgot about how Russia has almost no resources while eastern Ukraine is full of them.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
>> No. 454450 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 2:32 pm
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>>454449

Fucking hell mate.
>> No. 454456 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 4:59 pm
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>> No. 454457 Anonymous
24th September 2022
Saturday 5:08 pm
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>>454456
Crikey.
>> No. 454520 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 1:48 am
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I'm beginning to dislike Thoughty2's climate change denier slant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bS-nz1kU_8
>> No. 454521 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 2:40 am
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>>454520
Stop being a pussy and just have babies.
>> No. 454522 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 5:35 am
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>>454520

Thoughty2 is a bit of a hack, he has been caught out many times talking directly out of his arse about shit he has barely skimmed the Wikipedia article for. I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
>> No. 454524 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 10:52 am
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>>454522

There's loads of youtubers who seem to make a generous living just reading wikipedia to a camera. Just look at Simon Whistler, who probably employs half a dozen people assisting him with his drivel. According to his web site, he now has as many as six different youtube channels.

https://www.simonwhistler.com/about

Not sure I'd call him a "media personality" though, as he touts himself on that web site. That's pushing it more than its fair share.
>> No. 454686 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 1:09 pm
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Oil protesters throw soup on Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63254878

Pouring shit over the Captain Tom memorial. Pouring soup all over Van Gogh's artwork.

What is going to get poured next in the name of climate change?
>> No. 454688 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 2:07 pm
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>>454686

I know just the man for the job.
>> No. 454689 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 2:32 pm
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>>454524
God, I hate this insipid prick and his soggy cereal for the brain.
>> No. 454691 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 4:29 pm
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>>454524
>undergrad business BA, postgrad law diploma PGDL
A great evil.
>> No. 454699 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 8:16 pm
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>>454686

Paint on New Scotland Yard, apparently. I hope those kids are okay, that's at least the second time they've been arrested this week.
>> No. 454700 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 8:37 pm
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The Alaska Department of Fish and Game has, for the first time in state history, canceled the winter snow crab season in the Bering Sea due to their falling numbers...An estimated 1 billion crabs have mysteriously disappeared in 2 years.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fishing-alaska-snow-crab-season-canceled-investigation-climate-change/
Almost 70% of Earth’s animal populations wiped out since 1970, report reveals
https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2022/10/13/almost-70-of-earths-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals/
>> No. 454701 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 9:16 pm
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>An estimated 1 billion crabs have mysteriously disappeared in 2 years
Oh no, I hope they find them
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14th October 2022
Friday 10:06 pm
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>> No. 454705 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 12:46 am
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>Almost 70% of Earth’s animal populations wiped out since 1970, report reveals

On holiday in Andalucía before the pandemic, a tapas bar owner told us that he was from a family of fishermen that spanned many generations, but that most of the people in his town have given up because there just isn't enough fish in the sea anymore to feed a family with children. He blamed it on large scale commercial trawling off the Spanish coast. And I guess there's some truth in it.
>> No. 454708 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 10:05 am
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>>454705

That and the staggering amount of pollution we pump into the ocean, as well as the temperature changes fucking with their breeding routines. I get the impression that trawling quotas aren't designed with any of those things in mind as a buffer, just set to the absolute limit that would be safe if nothing else was impacting their populations.
>> No. 454711 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 12:20 pm
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>>454705
Giving up on the family profession? That's alright, there's plenty more fish in the sea.
>> No. 454715 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 1:31 pm
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>https://europe.oceana.org/press-releases/un-alert-mediterranean-worlds-most-overfished-sea/

Overfishing seems to be the main culprit in the Med. And I guess it's not just Spain. When I was a weelad, we went on holiday in Croatia, and I remember snorkelling in the waters around Hvar Island where the sea was absolutely teeming with fish, so much so that sheer dozens of them would eat a piece of bread off your hands under water. We'd never seen anything like it. But a friend went to Croatia this year and he told me that they hardly saw any fish at all while snorkelling.
>> No. 454723 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 10:09 am
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>>454686
Turns out the answer was vegans pouring milk down the aisles in Waitrose to stick it to the cleaners on minimum wage who'll have to clean it up.

https://twitter.com/RebelsAnimal/status/1581251694444564486

I'm guessing they didn't do this somewhere like Asda because they knew they'd potentially get lamped for it.
>> No. 454724 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 10:24 am
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>>454723

You're going with the "oh the poor cleaners" performance? I'm disappointed. I'm not sure why they do the milk pouring thing but pretending to care about the cleaners is beneath you.
>> No. 454725 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 10:35 am
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>>454724
Let's face up to what this is. It's a bunch of middle class people inconveniencing poorer people because they don't care how it affects them.

The only people impacted by this demonstration are those who won't be able to buy milk from Waitrose, which means they'll have to make a further trip and generate more pollution to get it elsewhere, and the poor saps who have to clean up this mess.

Please tell me you're not the lad who liked to piss all over the hotel bathrooms because "cleaners are paid to clean things up."
>> No. 454726 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 11:11 am
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>>454725
I don't think the protests are terribly impressive either, but the purpose of them isn't to break down the supply of milk. Saying people will have to "make a further trip and generate more pollution" is a nonsense argument.
>> No. 454727 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 11:17 am
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>>454726
>Saying people will have to "make a further trip and generate more pollution" is a nonsense argument.

Well if you need milk and can't get it from the place you've gone to buy groceries you'll have to make a further journey to get it.

It's a bit of a moot point but it does show that the ones most put out by this are clearly those who have to clean it up. That's my issue here. I don't like littering. I don't like punching down. I don't like sanctimonious posho students.
>> No. 454728 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 11:20 am
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>>454727

The "wasting food" angle is important too, this is all just showboating.
>> No. 454729 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 11:54 am
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It's not all doom and gloom.

https://scitechdaily.com/climate-change-has-already-impacted-trees-size/

>Researchers have discovered that trees are growing in size as a result of carbon dioxide.

>It is well known that trees absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, protecting people from some of the harshest consequences of climate change. A recent study demonstrates the extent to which forests have been storing excess carbon.

>According to the research, which was recently published in the journal Nature Communications, higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have boosted the biomass, or wood volume, of American forests.
>> No. 454730 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 11:56 am
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>>454727

>I don't like sanctimonious posho students.

I'm pretty sure if I really search my feelings, that this is the primary motivation behind all of my core political beliefs.
>> No. 454731 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 3:24 pm
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>>454725
I thought it was a bunch of middle class people inconveniencing other r middle class people because they're too scared to go into Asda? Keep your pearl clutching story straight at least mate. You don't have to recite every incoherent bit of virtue-signalling rage you read on Facebook.
>> No. 454732 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 4:12 pm
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>>454723
I can't wait for the effects of global warming and the nukes from Russia. I really want to eat these cunts.
>> No. 454733 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 4:17 pm
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>>454731
Are cleaners who work at Waitrose middle class now?
>> No. 454734 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 4:41 pm
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>>454733

Probably not really, as it goes.

https://uk.indeed.com/cmp/Waitrose-&-Partners/salaries

>The average Waitrose & Partners salary ranges from approximately £12,937 per year for Shop Assistant to £49,670 per year for Market Associate. Average Waitrose & Partners hourly pay ranges from approximately £8.01 per hour for Gas Station Attendant to £15.15 per hour for Vehicle Technician.
>> No. 454735 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 4:51 pm
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>>454733

No jobs on a dead planet. What scale of inconvenience are you worried about? There was none of this outrage when you shat yourself in the Tesco express.
>> No. 454736 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 5:32 pm
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>>454734

See you lads at the union meetings helping them fight for higher wages then, ay?
>> No. 454737 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 6:30 pm
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>>454736

Waitrose is an employee-owned partnership as part of JLP. They have no shareholders and they elect their own management. It'd be a bit peculiar for JLP partners to unionise, because they'd be negotiating with themselves.
>> No. 454738 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 7:02 pm
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>>454737

Well, fuck the management then.
>> No. 454741 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 8:30 pm
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>>454736

I don't think you know how unions work.

Probably because you're middle class scum.
>> No. 454745 Anonymous
16th October 2022
Sunday 10:08 pm
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>>454741

That's a no, you won't be doing that then.
>> No. 454749 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 5:50 pm
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>>454745

I don't know who you think I am in this conversation but I'm a union rep.
>> No. 454750 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 5:54 pm
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>>454749

I think you're someone who has implied unions don't have meetings.
>> No. 454752 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 7:25 pm
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>>454750

Not him, but I am implying you are someone who can't read.
>> No. 454756 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 7:42 pm
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>>454752

I'm inferring you're a bit slow.
>> No. 454851 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 6:07 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/23/climate-activists-mashed-potato-monet-potsdam-germany

>Climate activists throw mashed potatoes at Monet work in Germany

>Two protesters pelt painting with potatoes and glue their hands to wall at Museum Barberini in Potsdam


Honestly, this kind of dickery needs to stop. I'm all for climate change protest, but if you desecrate pieces of art, it's not going to win the hearts of the people.
>> No. 454852 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 6:12 pm
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>>454851
MASHED POTATOES!?!?!?!
>> No. 454853 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 6:33 pm
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>>454851

It's a catch 22. If you protest "properly", the media totally ignore you. If you do something outrageous or disruptive, the press will cover you but only to say how you're discrediting your own cause. It's almost as if our cultural norms around protest have been carefully constructed to preserve the status quo.
>> No. 454854 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 6:43 pm
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>>454853
Most of the crusties I know are under the impression that these Just Stop Oil stunts are actually funded by fossil fuel companies who want to make all protesters look bad.
>> No. 454855 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 7:03 pm
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>>454854

It's largely because one of their donors is the Climate Emergency Fund, a charity which was co-founded by Aileen Getty, an activist whose family became disgustingly wealthy from oil, sixty years ago. The best lies having a grain of truth in them. That narrative has been pushed heavily on TikTok.
It's almost funny watching the arguments about it play out; "If she's so rich and wants to do good, why doesn't she just give her money to charity?".
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/06/fossil-fuels-made-our-families-rich-now-we-want-this-industry-to-end
>> No. 454856 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 8:55 pm
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>>454855
So basically she's doing an Osama bin Laden and using the family wealth to undermine the thing that got the family rich in the first place, but without the body count?
>> No. 454857 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:00 pm
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>>454856
There are probably some other examples to make less insane comparisons with but yes I suppose so.
>> No. 454858 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 12:39 pm
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Just Stop Oil are protesting about the lack of Vorderman at Madame Tussauds by smashing cake into the face of a waxwork King Charles.

https://twitter.com/JustStop_Oil/status/1584491199771316225
>> No. 454859 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 1:36 pm
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There was a "March to Rejoin the EU" on Saturday which got almost no media coverage at all. All the usual talking heads who attended came away scandalised that JSO get on the news but they didn't, and isn't it awful how lawbreakers get all the attention? It's almost as though JSO are doing what they do for precisely that reason. I'm not sure if it's funny or painful seeing them get so close to putting two and two together.
>> No. 454860 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 4:42 pm
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>>454858

I wonder how the tabloids will manage to dismiss a painter/decorator from Sunderland as a member of the metropolitan liberal elite.
>> No. 454878 Anonymous
27th October 2022
Thursday 9:33 am
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If Just Stop Oil can properly mobilise the Splatoon fandom they might win this thing.
>> No. 455882 Anonymous
3rd January 2023
Tuesday 2:59 pm
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>The climate protest group Extinction Rebellion is shifting tactics from disruptions such as smashing windows and glueing themselves to public places in 2023, it has announced.

>A new year resolution to “prioritise attendance over arrest and relationships over roadblocks”, was spelled out in a 1 January statement titled “We quit”, which said “constantly evolving tactics is a necessary approach”. The group admitted the move would be controversial. Other environmental protest groups, such as Just Stop Oil, have stepped up direct actions, notably throwing paint at art masterpieces.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/01/extinction-rebellion-announces-move-away-from-disruptive-tactics
>> No. 455883 Anonymous
3rd January 2023
Tuesday 3:41 pm
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>>455882
>> No. 455938 Anonymous
7th January 2023
Saturday 2:04 pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64151166

>They have been holding their breath in the Swiss resort of Adelboden, as New Year temperatures in Switzerland hit a record 20C - the highest ever north of the Alps in January.

>Many wondered if next weekend's ski World Cup would go ahead, as the usual snowy slopes were mud and grass.

>Even at 2,000m (6,500ft), the temperature was above freezing.
>> No. 455940 Anonymous
7th January 2023
Saturday 6:35 pm
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/blackrock-asset-management-economy-prediction-inflation-recession/
Blackrock reckons everything's going to shit and famine.
>> No. 455941 Anonymous
7th January 2023
Saturday 7:25 pm
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>>455940

>Instead, BlackRock forecasts a new regime with a “brutal trade-off” – falling living standards for the many becoming profits for the few.

Says the investment company which promotes economic inequality like few others of its kind.

Look it up, Black Rock has its hands in the political affairs of many different countries where it ostensibly promotes the virtues of American-style capitalism.
>> No. 455944 Anonymous
8th January 2023
Sunday 2:26 pm
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>>455938

Never mind the ski world cup; that snow feeds the rivers in Europe when it runs off in summer, which waters the crops we eat.
>> No. 455945 Anonymous
8th January 2023
Sunday 3:13 pm
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>>455944
We don't need none of that foreign European muck.
>> No. 455946 Anonymous
8th January 2023
Sunday 3:35 pm
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>>455945

Wheat can fuck off back to Anatolia.
>> No. 455947 Anonymous
8th January 2023
Sunday 5:30 pm
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>>455944

Most of Europe has enough rainfall in spring and summer to water their fields with it. They don't need to use river water. Although shifting rainfall patterns in recent summers have put a considerable strain on agriculture.

Low water levels in rivers are mainly a problem for commercial transport. Rivers like the Rhine as well as the Elbe, Danube and Vistula are often vital connections between industrial centres on which loads of industrial goods are shipped back and forth between factories. This has already led to supply chain disruptions in the last one or two years.
>> No. 455948 Anonymous
8th January 2023
Sunday 6:24 pm
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>>455947

>Jusqu'ici tout va bien, jusqu'ici tout va bien, jusqu'ici tout va bien...
>> No. 455981 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 12:04 am
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/12/exxon-climate-change-global-warming-research

>The oil giant Exxon privately “predicted global warming correctly and skilfully” only to then spend decades publicly rubbishing such science in order to protect its core business, new research has found.

>Exxon scientists predicted there would be global heating of about 0.2C a decade due to the emissions of planet-heating gases from the burning of oil, coal and other fossil fuels. The new analysis, published in Science, finds that Exxon’s science was highly adept and the “projections were also consistent with, and at least as skillful as, those of independent academic and government models”.
>> No. 455984 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 12:30 am
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>>455981

Well there's a surprise.

Hang in, Exxon have just given their official response statement: "No we didn't."
>> No. 455985 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 3:31 am
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>>455981

I've a copy of that report. There's also one from Shell. Probably all of the major fossil energy companies have been aware of and modeled CO2 based climate change since before I was born, which is very nice to think about now we've decided it's a climate emergency some 40 years later.
>> No. 455986 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 6:00 am
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>>455985

They knew that leaded petrol caused brain damage in children for decades and never really admitted to it, so this should hardly come as a surprise. See also: fag companies pretending that fags don't cause cancer and nicotine isn't addictive.
>> No. 455987 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 11:23 am
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>>455986

That thing with tetraethyl lead in petrol was pretty serious, there were studies that linked juvenile delinquency in the U.S. to the occurrence of lead in the environment about ten to fifteen years earlier. Which is to say that the more lead there was, the more it impacted brain development of young children, especially in terms of reasoning and impulse control, and those children were then more likely to go on to become juvenile delinquents.

The U.S. started phasing out lead in petrol in the mid-70s, and youth crime rates fell sharply from the early 90s. There were other factors as well, but it is believed that one reason was the reduction of lead emissions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis
>> No. 455989 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 2:16 pm
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>>455986

One reason why the tobacco industry got away with it for some time was that they pretty much invented the Teach the Controversy approach. Much like oil companies with climate change, they tried to discredit emerging scientific consensus that smoking was harmful by claiming that the evidence was not significant enough or that scientific standards weren't observed, or whatever else. None of which was true, of course, but Septics in particular are suckers for the idea that you can agree to disagree, and that there isn't one single opinion that everybody must adhere to. Even when 90 percent of experts tell you that the evidence is increasingly irrefutable.

This is true to this day, and you could see it in anti-vaxxers and covid. I happened upon a Murrikin on facebook during lockdown one day who kept telling me that she wasn't going to have herself injected with "a bunch of chemicals" that were unproven. So I said, well, have you not been following the news, they have tested the covid vaccines extensively and the results are overwhelming. So she said something like "I'm no scientist, but they're saying it isn't true". So I said, well if you're no scientist, then maybe you should listen to an actual scientist to form your opinion. And then she came down on me with all kinds of things, like, "Your opinion stopped mattering over here 250 years ago".
>> No. 455990 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 2:32 pm
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>>455989

Hope you enjoy "dying suddenly" after your 8th Booster shot.
>> No. 455991 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 3:31 pm
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>>455990

I guess you're not really free unless you're free to die a miserable death from an almost entirely preventable illness.

Or lung cancer.

Or global warming.


https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/07-11-2022-statement---climate-change-is-already-killing-us--but-strong-action-now-can-prevent-more-deaths

>Statement – Climate change is already killing us, but strong action now can prevent more deaths
>> No. 455992 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 3:34 pm
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>>455991

Nah mate, I'm not morbidly obese or 88 years old, think I'll be just fine. Better run along and get your monthly booster or people might call you an alt-right Nazi granny killer or something.
>> No. 455993 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 3:41 pm
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>>455989
A lot t of the various nutters you mentioned were doing it sort of ad hoc having learnt by watching but in the oil industry's case they have been using some of the exact same think tanks, lobbyists and bent scientists as the tobacco industry. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-and-oil-industries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/
>> No. 455994 Anonymous
13th January 2023
Friday 3:43 pm
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>>455993

>they have been using some of the exact same think tanks, lobbyists and bent scientists as the tobacco industry.

Well, why not go to the experts, once you've got them.
>> No. 456083 Anonymous
18th January 2023
Wednesday 3:10 pm
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3815311-wyoming-lawmakers-propose-ban-on-electric-vehicle-sales/

>A group of GOP Wyoming state lawmakers want to end electric vehicle sales there by 2035, saying the move will help safeguard the oil and gas industries.

>The measure, introduced to the state legislature on Friday, was sponsored by six state legislators, who said in it that electric vehicles will hinder Wyoming’s ability to trade with other states. The bill states that citizens and industries would be encouraged not to purchase electric vehicles before the ban goes into effect.
>> No. 456084 Anonymous
18th January 2023
Wednesday 5:10 pm
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>>456083
The 12 people that live in Wyoming must be cheering in the street.
>> No. 456085 Anonymous
18th January 2023
Wednesday 6:30 pm
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>>456084

Wikipedia says it's just under half the size of Great Britain, with a total population of roughly 577,000.

Which sounds like a dream, until you realise that it's one of the most socially conservative states in the U.S., historically with one of the biggest and safest Republican majorities in the entire Union, and almost 70 percent voting for Trump both times.
>> No. 456086 Anonymous
18th January 2023
Wednesday 6:53 pm
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>>456085

Their wildfire season is also 6 months and getting longer. Plus the rest of whatever this horribly presented data says https://statesatrisk.org/wyoming/all I was just looking for photos of the place.
>> No. 456088 Anonymous
18th January 2023
Wednesday 8:30 pm
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>>456086

Having met some conservative Murrikins from the more backwater parts of the country, there's every chance that they still believe that those wildfires are God's punishment for allowing gays to sodomise.
>> No. 456091 Anonymous
19th January 2023
Thursday 12:06 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/18/revealed-forest-carbon-offsets-biggest-provider-worthless-verra-aoe

>Revealed: more than 90% of rainforest carbon offsets by biggest provider are worthless, analysis shows

>The analysis raises questions over the credits bought by a number of internationally renowned companies – some of them have labelled their products “carbon neutral”, or have told their consumers they can fly, buy new clothes or eat certain foods without making the climate crisis worse


I've actually been wondering for some time just how exactly those companies manage to call themselves "carbon neutral" while very obviously providing goods or services that produce shedloads of CO2. Even Amazon claims to be carbon neutral and they've got an entire fleet of their own cargo planes crisscrossing the globe.
>> No. 456469 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 2:06 pm
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It's so cold in America that in Mount Washington, New Hampshire, it went down to (including wind-chill) -78C:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64485092
And yet you keep insisting that global "warming" is "real".
>> No. 456470 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 2:11 pm
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>>456469

That's getting close to Day After Tomorrow flash-freezes. We're not even at 1.5 degrees.
>> No. 456471 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 2:31 pm
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>>456469
Mt. Washington is the site of the highest wind speed record on the eastern seaboard of the US. An oversimplification but more wind = more cold. No shit things are gonna freeze eventually.
>> No. 456474 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 4:41 pm
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>>456471

I think it's all connected to the weakening of the Gulfstream as a consequence of global warming. It can lead to polar cold fronts in winter bulging out further to the south than they normally would. Which paradoxically means that despite global warming, there can be more extreme winter cold snaps.
>> No. 456880 Anonymous
3rd March 2023
Friday 2:16 pm
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>A new disease caused solely by plastics has been discovered in seabirds.

>The birds identified as having the disease, named plasticosis, have scarred digestive tracts from ingesting waste, scientists at the Natural History Museum in London say. It is the first recorded instance of specifically plastic-induced fibrosis in wild animals, researchers say.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/03/plasticosis-new-disease-caused-by-plastics-discovered-in-seabirds
>> No. 456982 Anonymous
13th March 2023
Monday 9:17 am
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this fucking thread... damn its been a few fucking years since i came to this shithole of a website but holy shit it really did get taken over by actual fa.gs huh?! the fuck is wrong with you bitches. the climate changes... the climate has always changed, humans adapt, humans have always adapted. grow a pair piss pants

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 456985 Anonymous
13th March 2023
Monday 9:30 am
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>>456982
Did you forget how to type, too?
>> No. 456986 Anonymous
13th March 2023
Monday 9:41 am
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>>456985 nah you just aint worth the effort
>> No. 456987 Anonymous
13th March 2023
Monday 9:47 am
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>>456986

Worth the effort of actually replying, apparently. You know the rules. Find a different affectation.
>> No. 456988 Anonymous
13th March 2023
Monday 10:53 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QltLHCnd0BQ
>> No. 457449 Anonymous
17th April 2023
Monday 9:38 pm
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Just Stop Oil did a protest today at the World Snooker Championship.

https://twitter.com/OOCSnooker/status/1648029424736952322

It was broadcast on the BBC red button in the middle of the day, and seen by precisely nobody except for angry middle-aged white-van men who want all protestors about anything to be eaten alive by dogs. And snooker is hardly known for its environmental impact. The whole thing makes me wonder: why snooker? There are no winners in a situation like this. I come home from work and there's no snooker on, but I have to endure endless tard-rage from Jimmy Savile wannabes who are suddenly massively upset about snooker.
>> No. 457452 Anonymous
17th April 2023
Monday 10:13 pm
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>>457449
Just stop oil gets a fair amount of money as so called altruistic donations from people who happen to have a lot of money tied up in oil and gas companies.
Dumb and controversial protests that make the cause look bad are no coincidence here.
>> No. 457456 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 7:21 am
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>>457452
That's not remotely true but you stated it very confidently, well done.
>> No. 457457 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 8:56 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GddXzAOshGY

They clearly didn't synchronise their watches because the protestor going for the other table was easily foiled. Personal highlight was the man shouting PRICK!
>> No. 457462 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 2:06 pm
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>>457457
The protestor in the picture is a 30-year-old man charging the table during a match refereed by a scrawny Bulgarian babe named Desislava Bozhilova. She's very popular, for wanking reasons, but she's not much of a bouncer. The other protestor is a 52-year-old woman charging a match refereed by Olivier Marteel, who has a day job as a nurse so he's probably used to fighting mentally defective people. She also tried to glue herself to the table rather than spread powder everywhere, from what I've heard.
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18th April 2023
Tuesday 2:22 pm
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>>457462
>She's very popular, for wanking reasons, but she's not much of a bouncer.

https://streamable.com/ykkida
>> No. 457464 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 2:28 pm
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Also the protestor isn't 30, he's a 25 year old posho student from Cambridgeshire called Edred. I don't know why they can't target something like the Henley Regatta rather than always punching down.
>> No. 457465 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 2:51 pm
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>>457463

She's no Michaela Tabb.
>> No. 457466 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 3:12 pm
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>>457464

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23347009.photos-oxford-student-supporters-just-stop-oil-protest-boat-race/
>> No. 457467 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 3:43 pm
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>>457466
Hanging a banner from a bridge during an unimportant boat race feels like phoning it in. It's not like they disrupted The Boat Race.
>> No. 457468 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 3:53 pm
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>>457467
It was the first result when I did a search for "protest boat race", which you apparently didn't bother to do before you posted. I'm sure if you actually tried you could find some that fit the criteria of "something like" that. There are plenty of examples of it but it's generally less newsworthy.
>> No. 457469 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 4:00 pm
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>>457468
The Boat Race was last month and I don't recall it being in the news that environmental protestors tried to sabotage it. Sports for the proles, like the snooker World Championship, get targeted. If you can disrupt one of the biggest events0 in snooker why can't you disrupt one of the biggest event in rowing? Everyone's heard of The Boat Race.
>> No. 457470 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 4:19 pm
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And how exactly would one go about disrupting a boat race? It's in the middle of a fucking river, you daft cunt. Wave machine? A u-boat attack? Get a clue. And what's this "prole sport" nonsense, it's not like they barged into your local defaced the snooker tables in it, it was a 45 minute delay at the world championship.

I don't know what you're moaning about, this has been the most attention snooker's gotten in 20 years, and the most excitement in some 13 billion years.
>> No. 457471 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 4:28 pm
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>>457470
You're right, there's no way they'd be able to impede the boats...
>> No. 457472 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 4:36 pm
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>>457471
But then you're crossing the line of, essentially, attacking the participents, not just getting in the way. That's completely different to what happened at the snooker and what's taken place at similar protests that targeted football matches.
>> No. 457473 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 4:46 pm
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>>457472
Nah.
>> No. 457474 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 5:30 pm
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>>457469
I said
>fits the criteria of "something like that"
because I knew you were going to go all No-True-Scotsman on me, acting like The Boat Race was the only equatable thing ever, and was pre-empting you. Then you did it anyway.
>> No. 457475 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 5:48 pm
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>>457474
I'm just waiting for you to post something that dispels the notion that a lot of these protestors are bored poshos who are using this as their current hobby horse and don't care about punching down.

The protestor at the snooker was almost certainly an example of this. You can fuck off with trotting out "No True Scotsman" because putting one banner over a bridge at a university event is nowhere near the same as disrupting a world championship event. You need a better gimmick.
>> No. 457476 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 6:02 pm
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>>457473
Yeah, actually, because attacking people is a far more serious crime than requiring table to be cleaned.

Also, who gives a fuck how posh they are? Are they mistaken? Is climate change not currently shafting the entire planet? I don't really see how socio-economic background factors into an issue like climate change, it rather just sounds like you haven't got a leg to stand on so you're grasping at straws because this lad has a daft name.
>> No. 457477 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 6:03 pm
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If you want to own toffs while supporting a good cause, you can go and sabotage a fox hunt by laying caltrops and tying chicken wire between trees at neck height. Absolutely no reason to feel guilty and might actually have an impact, unlike Just Stop Oil.
>> No. 457478 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 6:14 pm
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>>457475

The other lad pointing out these are the snooker world championships and not your local already dispelled that notion, trying to appease you is a waste of time.
>> No. 457479 Anonymous
18th April 2023
Tuesday 6:26 pm
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>>457471
How difficult would it be for everyone on the bridge to piss in the water at the same time? That would be the most exceptional protest in history. Watching the boats turn round would be funny in itself. Watching the cox at the back screaming at the piss-drenched rowers to turn round before the cox gets pissed on too, and the rowers refusing and getting the cox wet as well, would be a genuine highlight. They're rowers; they probably piss on each other for top bants every weekend anyway.
>> No. 457505 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 9:46 am
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BLOODY HYPROCRITES, BUYING FOOD FROM WAITROSE.
>> No. 457506 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 10:02 am
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>>457505

Imagine spending three years studying journalism, moving down to London with dreams of breaking important news stories, living in awful flatshares in Zone 27 in the hopes of building a career, only to end up following a protester around a supermarket to sneer at what's in their trolley. Sometimes, the crime is punishment itself.
>> No. 457507 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 10:11 am
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>>457506
I'll have you know that a story of such importance has to be written by Mail Online's chief reporter.
>> No. 457508 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 10:46 am
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It's funny you two should start posting mental DM headlines now. Yesterday I decided to stop visiting it and deleted my browser history of the site after seeing the comments on a story about a landlord in Ireland threatening a tennent and his family with a power saw, every single one was gleefully defending the landlord. I realised it's simply unhealthy to expose myself to that kind of inhumanity. Not that I'm saying you should stop posting cropped headlines.
>> No. 457509 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 10:51 am
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>>457506

This also happened during lockdown, where they had photographers hiding in bushes outside Homebase waiting for people to come out with anything other than essential supplies in their trolleys. Even a bag of compost could land you on their front page.
>> No. 457510 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 11:00 am
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>>457509

Did the comment section ever clock that their photographers must have been breaking lockdown themselves to do that?
>> No. 457511 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 11:05 am
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>>457510

Hiding in bushes is essential for work purposes, if your job is hiding in bushes. At least snooping on people with a telephoto lens is socially distanced.
>> No. 457512 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 11:37 am
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>>457511

Also, as a photographer for the Daily Mail exposing lockdown breakers, you were an essential worker, because how else were people going to be able to feel morally superior.
>> No. 457513 Anonymous
21st April 2023
Friday 11:51 am
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>>457510
I think they did, but a lot of the time the comments just follow the mindset of "when my side does it it's good, but when your side does it it's bad" because politics should be treated like supporting a football team.

They were funny to read when they unveiled Nadine Dorries as their latest columnist.
>> No. 457633 Anonymous
27th April 2023
Thursday 11:22 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

Record ocean temperatures put Earth in ‘uncharted territory’, say scientists

>Warming oceans are a concern for many reasons. Seawater takes up more space at higher temperatures, accelerating sea level rise, and warmer water at the poles accelerates the melting of the ice caps. Hotter temperatures can also be dire for marine ecosystems, as it can be difficult or impossible for species to adapt. Corals in particular can suffer devastating bleaching.

>Some scientists fear that the rapid warming could be a sign of the climate crisis progressing at a faster rate than predicted. The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land. Some scientists fear we could be reaching the limit of the oceans’ capacity to absorb these excesses.

>Meredith said it was still too soon to tell. “The rate [of temperature rise] is stronger than climate models would predict,” he said. “The cause for concern is that if it carries on, this will be well ahead of the climate curve [predicted] for the ocean. But we don’t know yet if that is going to happen.”
>> No. 457639 Anonymous
28th April 2023
Friday 2:41 pm
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>>457633

https://news.sky.com/story/while-spain-bakes-britain-is-catching-a-chill-but-summer-2023-could-be-a-scorcher-12866052

>The last eight years have been the warmest on record - and weather patterns are becoming more likely to fix in position for prolonged periods. But temperatures this year could be super-charged by the flipping of a massive ocean current in the Pacific Ocean, El Niño.

>The UK is also expected to warm up. The National Drought Group has warned water companies and consumers to prepare for a hot, dry summer.

ITZ!!
>> No. 458003 Anonymous
17th May 2023
Wednesday 6:57 pm
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>BRITAIN’S wasp population is set to soar by 150 per cent this summer to 235 billion.

>Pest control chiefs are bracing themselves for a record number of call-outs with every chance the UK could face another scorching summer this year. There are estimated to be a million common wasps buzzing around every square mile of Britain.

>With 94,058 square miles in the country, that works out at 94billion wasps now — before the boom caused by imminent good weather. The average nest contains 10,000 wasps, although some can house up to 500,000.

>Britain has a human population of around 67million, so if the prediction of a 150 per cent increase in the number of wasps proves accurate, they could outnumber us by 3,500 to one.

https://archive.ph/zasQG
>> No. 458005 Anonymous
17th May 2023
Wednesday 7:56 pm
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>>458003
Don't worry, I have a plan.
>> No. 458009 Anonymous
18th May 2023
Thursday 1:18 am
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>>458003
>wasp population is set to soar by 150 per cent this summer to 235 billion

Doesn't it do that every summer?

This story is nothing but another smear by Big Bee. Wasps pollinate, kill pest insects (reducing the need for pesticides) and their population has been in decline for decades. It's actually perfectly possible to even befriend wasps who can recognise their human pals, they only sting embarrassing ninnies who flail their arms around screaming or those they see reach for gutter press newspapers. A behaviour I too would exhibit if I could get away with it.

Give a wasp a chance - don't be a buzzkill.
>> No. 458010 Anonymous
18th May 2023
Thursday 2:10 am
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>>458009
Wasps are unfairly maligned, they pollinate and hunt pests. They are like a mix of bees and spiders and at least one of those should seem lovely. Sure, wasps are like rottweilers, but just let them be and they'll be fine. Stand still, offer them an alternative target like a sugary drink and they should go away.

If you have a wasp nest on your shed, there is sadly no "waspkeeper" who will take it but any exterminator should know what to do.

I don't love wasps, I'm not sure if they or hornets deserve the "Axe murderer" badge, but mostly:

They want you to fuck off as much as you do. And yes, sucking out the venom works to make it hurt less.
>> No. 458231 Anonymous
30th May 2023
Tuesday 9:52 pm
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Much of Asia is experiencing record heat for this time of year. Even as far as Russia (and possibly Ukraine) but it's a bit underreported.
>> No. 458232 Anonymous
30th May 2023
Tuesday 10:07 pm
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It's all about the caterpillars now lads. Last year the box tree moths ruined all my box plants, and this year I hear the oak processionary are on their way to eat the small oak trees I have. Fuming about the box plants.
>> No. 458234 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 11:06 am
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>DeSantis dismisses climate change, calling it ‘politicisation of weather’
>> No. 458235 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 11:37 am
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>>458234
>State Farm [leading home insurance company in California, one of the largest insurance companies in the US] has stopped accepting homeowner insurance applications in California, citing the growing risk from catastrophes like wildfires and the rising cost to rebuild.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/28/1178648989/state-farm-home-insurance-california-wildfires-inflation
>> No. 458236 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 1:49 pm
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>>458235

Ah, captalism.

In fairness, I read the other day that the cost of living has become so high in some places in California that anything below about $50K a year denotes you as a member of the working poor there.

That's about £40K. Which isn't riches, but still well above the poverty line in Britain. You'd be looking at around £31K after tax.
>> No. 458237 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 1:55 pm
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>>458236

The median household income in California is $81,575.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSCAA646N
>> No. 458238 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 2:14 pm
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>>458237

Yes, but you get less for your money as the cost of living is so high.

It's also skewed in the case of California because it's the state with the highest number of millionaires.
>> No. 458239 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 2:15 pm
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This is why purchasing power parity is a thing.
>> No. 458243 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 3:06 pm
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>>458236

Bit of a tangent but where would you put the poverty line in Britain nowadays? I don't mean "where is it officially", I mean where would you lads (all three of you, do chip in) put it subjectively, based on life experience and your present circumstances?

I make about 24-25k a year all in, depending on shift allowances. I own my flat, live on my own, drive a car that isn't in immediate danger of falling apart, and in general could be considered to be doing better than an awful lot of people, even ones earning more than me. But I can only afford the things I have through being unfathomably tight-arsed, cutting every possible unnecessary expense, not having been on a real holiday since about 2017, etc. I very much feel like I am living just to get by, and getting by just to live.

Maybe 3-4 years ago I would have felt my income was comfortable, but it's on the edge of becoming unaffordable. The main thing that worries me is if my car packs in or an appliance goes bust, and having the safety net not to be immediately fucked by it; so what savings I manage to make each month are held in fear of something going wrong. And things like owning a car don't even feel like a luxury anyway- I need my car to get to work, because in order to affordably own a home I had to move to the arse end of nowhere. The car is a necessary expense I would love to do without, but can't, it's more like a tax for living in a particular kind of developed western economy.

Anyway yeah I'd put actual poverty in this country at anything less than about 18k per person (depending on the household) nowadays, rough guess.
>> No. 458244 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 3:20 pm
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>>458243
I would guess 20 grand, just because it's such a round number. On 31 grand a year, I have a few hundred quid left over at the end of each month. If I lost £500 a month, I would be squeaking by on six grand a year less, which honestly would imply I need £25,000 a year, and I swear I don't. I guess I must live more profligately than I thought.
>> No. 458245 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 3:44 pm
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>>458244

£25,000 is roughly what you can make as a full time shop assistant at one of the big chains like Asda or Tesco.
>> No. 458246 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 4:06 pm
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>>458243

The current minimum wage is just over £20k on a 37.5 hour contract.

I think we still haven't got our heads around the fact that we're just a much poorer country than we used to be. The Ukraine situation has pushed up the price of some essential goods, but the problems caused by Brexit and the pandemic - and the problems that pre-dated even those - will persist well after the price of gas and wheat have returned to normal.

We're used to thinking of ourselves as a wealthy country, but the structural factors that underpin that wealth have been slowly crumbling. Productivity is poor, our workforce isn't especially skilled, our infrastructure is atrocious and we have an ageing and increasingly sick population. We have a sense that we should be richer than somewhere like Poland, but there's no clear answer as to why.

Without a government willing to implement a clear strategy to improve productivity and bring back economic growth, we're just going to remain in our current rut, paying the bills but only by the skin of our teeth.
>> No. 458247 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 4:09 pm
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>>458245
Aldi is £11.40 an hour, so 35 hours a week would come to just shy of £20,748 a year.
>> No. 458248 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 5:42 pm
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I'm on approaching 33k doing unskilled work. The hourly rate (17.21) is okay but 37.5 hours just doesn't cut it. I rent a room in a Midlands shithole for £650, my car is expensive to run and maintain and with a loan repayment and high food spending I'm left with no money to buy anything at all nor save.

I'm trying to get on the lorries imminently because I'm willing to put the hours in to meet my arbitrary target of £1000 per week pretax.
>> No. 458249 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 5:56 pm
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>>458248

>I'm trying to get on the lorries

That's a tough environment though. Loads of shady characters among those drivers. An acquaintance's dad spent over three years in prison and has been a lorry driver ever since.
>> No. 458250 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:09 pm
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>>458249
Do you think they might try to bum me? 👉👈
>> No. 458251 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:20 pm
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>>458250

I think my friend's dad was in for fraud and extortion. Doesn't sound like a violent disposition.
>> No. 458252 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:28 pm
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>>458251
I've been regularly watching a few HGV drivers on YouTube. One of those is Truck Driver Hayley, so I'm left with little choice but to conclude 1 in every 3 HGV drivers are cute ex-teachers.
>> No. 458253 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:33 pm
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>>458252
Lad. Lad. Lad. Lad. Lad.

No.
>> No. 458254 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:39 pm
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>>458253

In a mumsy kind of way.
>> No. 458255 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 6:47 pm
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>>458250

Only if you've been a very naughty boy.
>> No. 458256 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 7:18 pm
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>>458253
I'm guessing you're more of a The Digger Girl kind of guy.
>> No. 458257 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 7:30 pm
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>>458248 I'm willing to put the hours in

Can you (legally) put enough hours in, given all the tacho and working hours pissing about?
>> No. 458258 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 7:34 pm
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>>458256
Looks like a rougher version of her off Derry Girls.
>> No. 458259 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 7:49 pm
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>>458257

For anything over 3.5 tonnes, you aren't allowed to drive for more than 90 hours in any two week period. There are a bunch of complicated rules on top of that regarding daily and weekly rest periods. You can try playing silly buggers with your tacho card, but it's an easy way to lose your license.

>>458258

I'd let her operate my equipment IYKWIM.
>> No. 458260 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 8:03 pm
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Surely the better question is why are American so damn poor when they have vastly higher incomes and lower living costs.

>>458243
35k I'd say. Ignore the propaganda you get about marking poverty where you skip dinners, it's where you struggle to provide a better future for yourself or your children and where a random expense will utterly fuck your life 'savings'.

Yes that does mean that most of the population lives in poverty and the west in general is a turd sliding down the porcelain towards the global norm.

>I own my flat

You mean the bank pays your rent every 99 years.

>>458246
>We have a sense that we should be richer than somewhere like Poland, but there's no clear answer as to why.

I had an investor explain it to me once - we're a high-skill-low-wage economy with good connections and where business level corruption is unheard of. I had to resist punching him but it's true, the mixture of having some excellent programmers/engineers/scientists, really niche companies, the City and good institutions counts for a lot.

We could easily do better of course but that would involve a serious amount of money, changing a lot of our deeply ingrained attitudes and having the luck that the rest of the bastard planet can go 5 minutes without shitting the bed.
>> No. 458261 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 8:13 pm
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>>458260
>high-skill
I don't think so. I did all the training for a fairly rudimentary IT course CompTIA Network+ if you're wondering for my work, and they say they will pay for the exam so I get a proper certification, and now they don't want to. By pure coincidence, there is a pay review next month, after which they will probably be happy to cough up. But they certainly don't want to make it too easy.

What we really need is something the rest of the world needs, so we can name our price. If you need massive manufacturing, you go to China, and look how well they're doing. If you need oil, you will pay whatever the Middle East asks for and they're all millionaires over there. The British economy, meanwhile, consists mostly of us just being worse and more expensive versions of Italian waiters and Indian call centres. No wonder we're a shithole. We do of course have one thing we're the best at - financial services - and look how minted those tossers all are. Admit it; I am spot on.
>> No. 458262 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 9:32 pm
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It depends whether you're on about single people or families. About four years ago I was bringing home £2,150 net and that plus the c. £2,150 a year in child benefit and c. £6k a year tax credits was enough to be comfortable as the sole earner with school age children; not enough to be extravagant but enough to have a holiday and maybe get a takeaway every couple of weeks or so without having to worry about making ends meet. My other half finally got a job last year bringing in about £1,600 net which meant we were no longer eligible for tax credits and with everything going up I'd honestly say our standard of living was worse than it was in 2019 despite having more money on paper.
>> No. 458263 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 9:38 pm
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>>458260

>we're a high-skill-low-wage economy

We have a lot of university graduates, but I'd argue that this hasn't translated into the skills base of the economy. We're heavily reliant on immigration to get the skilled workers we need (with the NHS being the obvious example), but that has obvious political complexities.

>good connections

We're a lot less well connected than we were in 2016. The ports and airports are still there, we're still physically close to Europe, but Brexit has created a massive burden of trade barriers that severely undermine the attractiveness of the UK as a destination for new investment.
>> No. 458264 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 10:04 pm
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>>458261
>>458263
You're underestimating just how incompetent the rest of the world is.
>> No. 458265 Anonymous
31st May 2023
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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>>458261
>We do of course have one thing we're the best at - financial services - and look how minted those tossers all are. Admit it; I am spot on.

Resident City Boy reporting in. Can confirm you are spot on. We have nothing else.
>> No. 458272 Anonymous
1st June 2023
Thursday 8:30 am
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Wildfire season has started in Scotland.
>> No. 458344 Anonymous
4th June 2023
Sunday 1:00 pm
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Research on biological impact of nanoplastics starting to emerge.
>> No. 458353 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 11:43 am
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>>458265

Rubbish, financial services clearly generates the most profit but your ignoring whole bunch of high precision engineering companies based in the UK, to name a few Rolls Royce producing aircraft engines, BAE producing military kit, - the fact the UK is one of the few countries capable of manufacturing nuclear submarines.
Other countries may do these things better or/and on a grander scale but the whole 'UK has only the financial sector to keep it going' is simply incorrect. Even the idea the UK cannot into volume manufacturing is questionable given the Toyota and Honda factories in the UK.
>> No. 458358 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 3:50 pm
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>>458353


>the fact the UK is one of the few countries capable of manufacturing nuclear submarines

And I thank the British government for it everytime I climb into my very own nuclear submarine. Could've gotten a decommissioned Russian one, but my neighbour was right when he advised against it and told me to buy British. Now and then we race our submarines, but there's no match for his skills. But we always have fun nuking Greenland on a day out.

What I am saying is, a near-handful of examples of good and profitable British engineering doesn't mean we're still good at producing stuff in the greater scheme of things.
>> No. 458359 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 4:07 pm
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>>458358

British engineering is almost exclusively top-notch, because of the lack of government support over the years. Other countries have lots of mediocre engineering firms that bumble along doing medium-skilled, medium-value work, but that isn't an option here. Land is too expensive, there aren't enough skilled workers, the government doesn't give enough support with capital investment and R&D; unless you're at the top of the value chain doing medical or military or aerospace, you're staring down bankruptcy whenever there's an economic downturn.

Our engineering industry is very good, but it's much smaller than it could be with the right government support.
>> No. 458363 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 6:24 pm
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Each month I usually enter AutoTrader's electric car giveaway competition. I think I'm going to give May's a miss.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/electric/giveaway
>> No. 458364 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 6:25 pm
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Fucking hell, it's June.
>> No. 458372 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 9:02 pm
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>>458363

Come on, the Ami is a right laugh. In France, you can drive one when you're 14. You can drive one if you've been banned for drink driving. The police aren't even that bothered if you're drunk behind the wheel of one as long as you don't take the piss. Only the French would have the genius to create special shit cars for children, alcoholics and (presumably) alcoholic children.
>> No. 458374 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 10:04 pm
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>>458372
I'm a bit surprised they bothered getting it approved in the UK. These are some pretty serious caveats. I do like the delivery version, where they no-fit a seat and stick a shelf in. Since it's LHD, too, less chance of getting your door knocked off or getting run over hundred times a day. As long as your delivery round is entirely urban and barely more than walking distance.

"The Citroën Ami 100% electric is classified as a quadricycle and will be seen in the UK as a left hand drive.
As the Ami has range and speed limitations as outlined in the specification please ensure that this is suitable
for your needs and operating purposes. Due to the speed limitation, the Ami is not legally permitted on UK
motorways, and further consideration should be given where the speed limit of the road exceeds the speed
limitation of the Ami.
Whilst the Ami is manufactured with a European two pin plug, charging in the UK is completed via a Type 2
wall box converter, which is supplied with your Citroën Ami. Charging via a wall box does not decrease the
charging time, as the Ami itself limits the charging speed as opposed to the charging solution.
>> No. 458375 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 10:13 pm
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>>458363
Reminds me of the Renault Twizy which is I think the same licensing class in France as >>458374 talks about.

I would have one for a laugh although I doubt it hits 60mph in 3 seconds.
>> No. 458377 Anonymous
5th June 2023
Monday 10:28 pm
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>>458364
I have been saying this all week at work. And it's still really cold. We're going to blink, and it's back-to-school tomorrow.
>> No. 458393 Anonymous
6th June 2023
Tuesday 12:31 pm
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>>458375
>I would have one for a laugh although I doubt it hits 60mph in 3 seconds.

It has a top speed of 28mph.
>> No. 458394 Anonymous
6th June 2023
Tuesday 12:36 pm
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>>458393
and takes 10 seconds to get there.
As that statement from Citroën says - "further consideration should be given where the speed limit of the road exceeds the speed limitation of the Ami."

It's going to be character forming on B-roads. Maybe being drunk would help?
>> No. 458404 Anonymous
6th June 2023
Tuesday 4:47 pm
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>>458394

Motorbikelad, here. I consider hitting 60mph when taking a 110cc scooter on a B road one of the formative experiences of my life.

I was going downhill. With the wind on my back.
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6th June 2023
Tuesday 5:02 pm
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>>458394
I was going on the M1 the other day and I got stuck on the slip road behind an old woman in a Citroen who didn't accelerate beyond 45mph once she got on the motorway either. That was fun.
>> No. 458409 Anonymous
6th June 2023
Tuesday 6:20 pm
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>>458404

I went on a smooth asphalt road at 26 mph on my mountainbike the other week. It's quite a scary experience because a bicycle just feels much flimsier at those speeds than a scooter or a motorbike. But I was chuffed with myself because getting up to that kind of speed on a bike on a level road, not downhill, really takes some leg strength.
>> No. 458417 Anonymous
6th June 2023
Tuesday 9:16 pm
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>>458406
I'm a sensible driver and never speed 10%+2mph notwithstanding but these people are a massive peeve of mine and are outright dangerous at worst. Yeah by all means if someone isn't a super confident driver and wants to go at 50mph on the inside lane of a motorway yeah that's fine, if they want to go 20-30mph round some twisty country lanes, I try to be understanding and not get annoyed by it. But when someone is on a slip-road going 20mph below the traffic they're trying to merge into, they're a danger to themselves and everyone else.
>> No. 458526 Anonymous
13th June 2023
Tuesday 3:16 pm
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>The big picture: Global surface air and ocean temperatures have spiked sharply in recent months, along with record low Antarctic sea ice, extreme heat events around the world, as Canada's heat and wildfire crisis grips North America.

>Along with other developments, the combination of those factors have raised alarms regarding whether climate change is accelerating
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/13/climate-extremes-warming-charts-concerns
>> No. 458547 Anonymous
14th June 2023
Wednesday 10:11 pm
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>>458526

Nice knowing you two.
>> No. 458548 Anonymous
14th June 2023
Wednesday 11:12 pm
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>>458547
Shell seem to think we've got until at least 2030, so they're increasing oil production until then, if that's any reassurance.
https://www.independent.co.uk/business/shell-blasted-for-climatewrecking-uturn-on-plans-to-cut-oil-production-b2357347.html
>> No. 458696 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 10:11 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiga3atlTRs

Interesting video. A couple of very good points.
>> No. 458697 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 11:27 am
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>>458696
Fluffing throw-pillows on the Titan.
>> No. 458698 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 11:46 am
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I think Rowan Atkinson is talking about embedded carbon. A newer car may have lower emissions, but it's going to take a very long time to make up for the energy used to build that car. And if making EVs needs 70 percent more energy than petrol cars, at the moment at least, then it pushes the net-zero point much further into the future where one single EV actually balances out the energy used in its creation against the carbon emissions it saves during its lifetime. Especially considering that in their current form, Li-ion batteries in modern EVs will last no more than ten years, or even shorter with heavy use and more frequent charge cycles. The ideal scenario one day would be EVs that last 20 years on the factory-installed battery, and until that day comes, there are always going to be caveats against the true emission and natural resources savings of electric vehicles.

And I also agree with him about fast-fashion car sales. Getting a new car every three years, petrol or EV, is a massive waste of resources compared to keeping it for five or six years. Or even ten to twenty years. Most model cycles are four to five years now, sometimes still longer than that, so chances are your neighbours won't even notice that you're a pauper who can't afford a new (leased!) car every three years.

There are areas where that also applies, e.g. with the clothes you buy or electrical appliances. Where there's increasingly a sense that less is more. And car technology doesn't tend to improve so drastically that the emissions from a six year old car are vastly higher than from a three year old one. And that is likely also going to be true for EVs as a whole.
>> No. 458701 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 6:35 pm
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>>458698

>And I also agree with him about fast-fashion car sales. Getting a new car every three years, petrol or EV, is a massive waste of resources compared to keeping it for five or six years. Or even ten to twenty years. Most model cycles are four to five years now, sometimes still longer than that, so chances are your neighbours won't even notice that you're a pauper who can't afford a new (leased!) car every three years.

Yeah, I've always thought about this. Same with phones. There's really very little difference between a phone from, say, 2016 and a brand new one today. They've only gotten bigger and more daft. A high end flagship laptop from 5 years ago is still perfectly serviceable today. I'm typing this on a PC that's probably coming up to its tenth birthday, and I'm only going to upgrade it with other spare parts I have laying around but never got around to buying a new motherboard for.

Everything about our economy is so wasteful, and I feel like dialling that back would have way more impact than any promise of saviour by miraculous new technology. But of course, it will never happen, because it's also kind of what our economy (from the perspective of those who influence it) depends on. It's kind of like when you're trying to save money- The little things like going from Coco Pops to Asda Choco Krispies or whatever can add up and save you a bit, but it won't ever make up for ten pints and a gram of coke every weekend. You have to save where the actual expenses are, and in terms of carbon, I bet it's far more in our short-term consumerism than it actually is in the emissions of our current vehicles and tech.
>> No. 458702 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 7:29 pm
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>>458698

>Especially considering that in their current form, Li-ion batteries in modern EVs will last no more than ten years, or even shorter with heavy use and more frequent charge cycles.

EV batteries have, for the most part, proved to be much more durable than we expected. The first-generation Nissan Leaf is now approaching 13 years old, but most of them still have more than 80% battery capacity.

Newer batteries with improved chemistry and water cooling are even more durable. A Tesla only loses about 2% of battery capacity per year, so a Model S with an original range of 250 miles should still have a range of about 160 miles after 20 years. That might not be satisfactory for the original owner, but there are lots of second-hand buyers who would be more than happy with that sort of range.

The drivetrain an EV is very durable because there are so few moving parts, so the industry assumed that there would eventually be a lot of demand for battery pack replacements in cars that were still in good condition but had a worn-out battery. The surprising durability of batteries means that the industry is now working on the opposite problem - what to do with batteries that still hold a useful charge, but are installed in cars that have reached the end of their useful lifespan. Tesla developed the Powerwall home storage battery for that exact reason; a tired battery pack from a written-off car can still have a useful second life as a storage battery for solar or wind power.

Atkinson has a valid point that we're buying too much shit for the sake of having something shiny and new, but I think that ultimately the move to EVs will be a massive net positive. Those people buying new EVs on 3 year PCP deals are contributing to a second-hand market that will eventually make EVs affordable for all motorists. I would love to live in a world where you can buy a tatty but perfectly functional EV for two grand on AutoTrader. If the British market one day becomes oversaturated with second-hand EVs because those people keep buying EVs on PCP, then there's a big international export market that gladly buy up the cars that are too old or unfashionable to be desirable here.

Conspicuous consumption is a really hard problem, but it isn't particularly connected to any one technology. It's a big cultural shift to persuade people to stop showing off to their neighbours and I'm not sure how that can be easily achieved.
>> No. 458703 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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>>458701

An iPhone 13 has a carbon footprint of 64kg, including the energy used to charge and recycle it. Any comparable smartphone will be in the same ballpark. That's about the same emissions as a kilo of beef or £40 worth of petrol. Our intuitions about carbon emissions are really unreliable, because we tend to assume that anything expensive and modern must be particularly bad for the environment.

https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_13_PER_Sept2021.pdf

https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
>> No. 458704 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 7:48 pm
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>>458703

Does that include the mining and shipping and what have you for the materials it's made of? Because if so you're right, that's shockingly low. But it's hard to understand how all of the fuel used in that supply chain amounts to less than a couple of weeks commuting.
>> No. 458706 Anonymous
28th June 2023
Wednesday 8:19 pm
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>>458704

Yep. It's a full lifecycle analysis from cradle-to-grave, conducted and audited by independent third parties. Mining is a dirty business, but it's done at such immense scale that it's very efficient. Metals and glass are infinitely recyclable and a smartphone just doesn't contain very much material.

An iPhone might have travelled halfway across the world to get to you, but it only weighs a few ounces and you can pack tens of thousands of them in a container. Your Ford Fiesta might only trundle down the road and back, but it weighs well over a tonne.
>> No. 458710 Anonymous
29th June 2023
Thursday 9:07 pm
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>>458703


Eating locally may not always be the most eco friendly option, but connected to that is eating seasonally. Just take a food like peaches. Even if a giant peach orchard in South America or South Africa can produce peaches in January with a moderate carbon footprint per peach, they still have to travel to Britain by air because a ship takes two to three weeks (and wouldn't have a decidedly smaller carbon footprint). If you buy them in summer when they come from Spain or Italy, they'll still be brought into the UK by lorry, but their cabon footprint will overall be smaller.
>> No. 458711 Anonymous
29th June 2023
Thursday 10:22 pm
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>>458702
I'm one of those gimps with an EV on contract, replaced every 3+ years. Company car, so it makes moderate sense - the government's crazy-low benefit-in-kind rate for EVs is something I choose to believe is them priming the market for second hand EVs. No (sane) bastard is going to buy one new personally and chop it in every 3 years.
I'm probably doing more harm by hoarding old petrol classics and putting 500 miles a year on my diesel tow barge.
Longer term, I don't think we'll be using ex-EV battery packs as powerwalls, we'll be running flow batteries or something else cheaper, and lithium packs will be efficiently recycled , like lead acid batteries currently are. That, or gridscale flow batteries or whatever mean that we won't want powerwalls so much. Unless everything goes completely to shit, the grid goes untrustable and the rich live on little power islands with generation and storage, and the poor just burn each other.
They're building a massive battery farm near me, as well as more and more solar farms, north sea windfarm terminations and a weird rotating flywheel thing to stabilise the grid. All good fun, and slightly promising, in a world of shite.
>> No. 458842 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 8:18 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS_LjYPzAsQ
>> No. 458843 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 9:08 am
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>>458842
>For four days in a row, the planet reached its hottest day ever recorded
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/earth-reaches-hottest-day-ever-recorded-4-days-in-a-row/ar-AA1dt1OM
>> No. 458844 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 9:13 am
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>>458843
>Cities around China opened bomb shelters to provide citizens with refuge from the heat, as exceptionally high temperatures across the country has begun to claim lives.
https://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/china-opens-bomb-shelters-for-people-to-escape-heatwave/
>> No. 458845 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 11:29 am
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>>458843

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/07/un-climate-change-hottest-week-world

>UN says climate change ‘out of control’ after likely hottest week on record
>> No. 458846 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 1:57 pm
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>>458842

SOMEONE THREW CONFETTI AT A WEDDING? CONFETTI? AT A WEDDING!? I AM SHOCKED AND DISGUSTED.
>> No. 458852 Anonymous
9th July 2023
Sunday 2:52 pm
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>>458846
At George Osborne no less.
>> No. 458877 Anonymous
12th July 2023
Wednesday 12:03 pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-66164474

>Thames Water: Warnings London may face water rationing 'imminently'

>London could face water rationing "imminently" because of over-abstraction, over-use and wastage through leaking pipes.

>Environmentalist James Wallace, chief executive of River Action, made the warning at a meeting with the Greater London Authority (GLA).

>He said the chalk streams that feed the capital's water supply were drying up.
>> No. 459337 Anonymous
4th August 2023
Friday 3:25 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/03/south-america-winter-heatwave

>‘Winter is disappearing’: South America hit by ‘brutal’ unseasonal heatwave

>Buenos Aires records hottest start to August in 117 years, Chile sees highs towards 40C and Bolivia, Paraguay and Brazil also bake


That's alarming, even considering that winters in the southern hemisphere are generally much milder than in the North.
>> No. 463574 Anonymous
8th April 2024
Monday 10:14 am
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>Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has been arrested by Dutch police at a protest in The Hague.

>The 21-year-old joined hundreds of protesters in a march against fossil fuel subsidies on Saturday.

>The protest devolved into a standoff as dozens of police officers, some on horseback, attempted to stop protesters from blocking a main road.

She's turning into an average munter.
>> No. 463575 Anonymous
8th April 2024
Monday 10:19 am
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>>463574
Turning into?
>> No. 463576 Anonymous
8th April 2024
Monday 10:30 am
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>>463575
She doesn't look like a child anymore.
>> No. 463578 Anonymous
8th April 2024
Monday 11:59 am
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>>463576

ARE Jim wouldn't care.
>> No. 466632 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 10:26 pm
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So Florida was bummed by Hurricane Helene from the 24th to the 29th of September. Now, Floridians are being warned to prepare for the storm of the century which means probably very little will happen and it will be a damp squib, Hurricane Milton:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cq64vnj51p1o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cr753r34n3rt

So that's two major hurricanes in a fortnight. But Helene begins with H and Milton begins with M. What happened to I, J, K and L? Hurricanes - hold on while I look them up - Isaac, Joyce, Kirk and Leslie? I know not every hurricane is a big one, but surely it's not normal for a new one to form every three days?
>> No. 466636 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 10:51 pm
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>>466632

I saw some of my Yank mates on another interweb place talking about a hurricane a couple of weeks back, and I assume it was that one, but when I was trying to google it for information I kept getting different reports. I think it's just that round those parts, the bit at the southeast of the USA and like, Caribbean, Mexican gulf, sort of area, there's just loads of hurricanes over this time of the year and that's normal for them. We only hear about it when they're proper mega ones that people will lose their homes and everything in.

What I think is wild is how the American government does basically fuck all to help too. When we have a couple of feet of flooding it's all over the news for a week and the emergency services and army are all hands on deck with the aid effort, in America they're just like "fuck 'em".
>> No. 466637 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 11:05 pm
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>>466632

What happened to I, J, K and L?

They didn't make landfall in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season
>> No. 466644 Anonymous
9th October 2024
Wednesday 4:20 am
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>>466632
The conditions for storms to form happen every day, and the region for naming these storms runs all the way from the coast of West Africa to the Gulf of Mexico.

If you want to get into the maths of it, the storms are discrete events happening on continuous but bounded time (there's an official "season" from June to November). They roughly fit a Poisson distribution, with an average of about 14. That means the interval roughly fits an exponential distribution, with a mean of a around 13 days and a median of around 9 days. So something like Isaac being named around two weeks after Helene while Joyce gets named the following day is not particularly unlikely.
>> No. 466664 Anonymous
9th October 2024
Wednesday 7:54 pm
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>>466636

>What I think is wild is how the American government does basically fuck all to help too. When we have a couple of feet of flooding it's all over the news for a week and the emergency services and army are all hands on deck with the aid effort, in America they're just like "fuck 'em".

"I also convened my entire cabinet as part of a whole government response and that response is to increase the number and intensity of the extreme weather events and be wary we're going to be... Use all the resources available to us as the government to do it." - President Joe Biden

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