>>471788

I suppose this is one benefit of having working class barely literate parents. My parents are just comfortably racist, in the old fashioned "ya can't go into town wi'out seein' a darkie nowadays" way, and the viral brainworm propaganda of today exclusively affects people who think of themselves as above that. Their political views have remained pretty much unchanged since 1973 and probably always will.

Meanwhile a lass I'm mates with who comes from a very affluent background and is by far the poshest person I know, is herself an anti-vaxxer, and thinks covid was made up. She has a very charming naivety to her though, and I'm sure that's a part of what makes her susceptible. The other day I mentioned having a free coffee vender at work, and she thought I meant like one of those Costa machines like you see in petrol stations.

We send people to these fancy arse so called universities nowadays and they just fill their heads with rubbish don't they. None of 'em come out actually knowing their arsehole from their elbow.

>>471787
>How I've turned out to be an independent adult and not a complete incompetent wet wipe is a mystery.
If you watched your mum solve problems for you growing up, you probably learnt how to solve problems. When I was growing up, my parents always let me have my way pretty much, and I didn't learn it as "everyone should do what I want"; what I learnt was, "If you see someone who wants something, you should do everything you can to accommodate them", exactly as my parents did for me. So I'm not a spoilt child; I'm actually very helpful. However, I am 100% a complete wet wipe, because very little ever went wrong for me, and if it did, I was encouraged to just give up. Even now, my mum will tell me to stop doing things if she sees me doing something that looks difficult. When this happens, I usually angrily yell at her that this is terrible advice.

>>471788
I am currently visiting my parents, as it happens (because I'm very close to them and have never been in the sort of romantic relationship where I'd be closer to a loved one than my parents, because such relationships require courage that I fundamentally do not understand) and we went into a very posh nearby town that was having its market day. Rather than the usual stalls with toothpaste and duvets and cargo shorts for sale, it was mostly arts and crafts. But there was also a small protest stall, with messages such as "Globalism is tyranny" and some frankly now-outdated shit about lockdowns and The Vaxx. Nobody in the Dorset town of Sherborne is poor or uneducated; these people have evidently just had their brains poisoned some other way. I think they were angry about immigrants too, even though there aren't any round here except for the occasional Pole. It's mostly tally-ho ex-Londoners having their own personal Escape to the Country experience, so seeing such factually inaccurate sissifys was a considerable shock to us all.

>>471790
Yeah, that's pretty much what it's like with my Dad. The man is incredibly resistant to change, in general, so it wasn't even remotely surprising to me that he isn't a fan of how the demographics have changed where he lives over the past ~25 years.

I can kind of see where he's coming from. When I met up with my friends yesterday it was in my hometown and there were several large groups of dodgy looking Kurdish men about, giving the place a less relaxing vibe than it used to have. If this is the visible side of immigration to him, that and the enclaves they've moved to turning (more) into dumps or when he was still working (in a factory) his employer replacing local people with Eastern European folks they'd bus in, I can see why he prefers how things used to be. There's little point in talking about the benefits of immigration because his lived experience is mostly negative.

I guess, to an extent, it's a bit like when people visualise someone ripping off the taxpayer they immediately visualise feckless dolescum rather than someone wealthy or large corporations. The council estate scally is more tangible to them and they have a lot more experience dealing with them, to the point they're more likely to produce an emotive response that sticks with them.

>>471791
I'm actually going on holiday next week near Weymouth. Is there anywhere you'd recommend going?

>It is honestly depressing to see propaganda change somebody you love
I'm arguing with my dad fairly regularly about his seeming compulsive need to view facebook and GB news. I try to tell him how it's designed to bait people into negative attitudes for the click revenue at least but he appears to simply ignore me, as though his inner mind is working 'I know better'. Arguably I'm thinking the same thing. He's even started saying 'woke' and 'snowflakes' with a snear I've become all too familiar with, it's cringe.

Buuuuut then I see this shit the other night amounting to physical and emotional abuse of a woman, right outside my doorstep perpetrated by a working legal migrant who happens to have a stereotypically worn and red RIB in thier garden, and none of you cunts care to make comment on it.
I'm keen to remind myself that the man in question is one of five migrants in a HMO, of which all the others have never been the cause of issues.

You can surely understand why people are concerned that this '1 in 5' is a (perhaps false) example of the legal migration population - it's not difficult to imagine how the ratio could be greater in illegal migration.

It makes me wonder to what degree should people be convinced before it's considered abuse. Is it the same that a person shouldn't be bombarded with information they themselves opted into (to the point that it warps their life balance) and that a person is in a coercive abusive relationship that likely peaks at non-concentual violent sexual assault?
You'd say no, right? So where's the line? Mine was when a person wouldn't let another get away, whilst inflicting abuse. While GB news and propaganda requires clear concent and engagement to be most effective.
I've pulled my head out of some weird shit before, so is it a queston of self awareness? If so is that teachable?

>>471793

Insane idea, but how about we roll out the red carpet for Indian doctors and engineers, while shutting the doors to dodgy Kurdish vape shop owners and Romanian beggars? I think it's weird that the whole debate has been polarised into a binary pro- or anti-immigration, when most people are very pro some kinds of immigration and very anti other kinds. It's almost as if vested interests have used the media to subconsciously convince us that immigration is an all-or-nothing issue and that it's just impossible to have a selective immigration system that maximises benefits while minimising downsides.

>>471794

I'm sorry mate I'm just going to be honest, but I think the reason nobody has engaged with you is because your post(s) exude that very recognisable "drunk/schizophrenic nutter who came up to you rambling about something in the smoking area" energy, know what I mean? It rarely ends well to encourage that sort.

I'm definitely losing weight because, with one of the awkward and weird ways I sit, my elbow pinches the fat around my hip. There used to be too much fat to pinch.

Beauty, it seems, is not without suffering.

>>471791
I saw a guy like your vaccine truther in Chester, back in April. I was a bit taken aback by someone still complaining about lockdown, but I suppose if you reckoned it was imposed by a cabal of Satanists, or whatever, it might bother you more.

Also, I've noticed over the years that Chester seems to have far more buskers, preachers, etc. than towns and cities of the same size or larger.

>>471795

Indeed, which is why it winds me up to no end how people can't seem to see the Boat People controversy as the smokescreen it is. The right wingers eagerly take the bait and spend hours prevaricating about it, while the left wingers waste their time, energy, and make themselves look soft by fighting defensively on an issue they must surely know isn't even tangibly real.

Immigration is An Issue, we are all in agreement about that. Too much, too little, maybe we could have it if we built more houses and schools and doctors, maybe we should just make sure they were all white at least, maybe we should send them all the fuck back, whatever your opinion is, it's definitely reached a point where it's impossible to say "I love immigration and I don't see any reason to change it" now. Because that's a patently absurd statement, like saying "I think we should just keep on using oil forever" or "I think we can spend our way out of the deficit". It's a statement that's just dead in the water.

But the fact we focus near exclusively on The Small Boats, when they make up such a tiny, infinitessimally small percentage, fucking half a Planck length, smaller than Torylad's dick, of the overall immigration numbers? That's a fucking top tier psyop right there.

>>471796
No, I appreciate that. Thank you for the feedback.

>>471795
We've already got a selective immigration system and the result is the ongoing 'Boriswave'. We had decades of every party taking its turn to demand an 'Australia style points-based immigration system' under the misconception it was a non-racist way to reduce immigration to the UK, apparently without anyone ever noticing that Australia went from 17 million people to 27 million people in just 30 years thanks mainly to its very high immigration rates.

>>471798

I half agree with you, but I do think that the small boats are a useful symbol of wider failings. Whether through cowardice or incompetence, successive governments have failed to do anything meaningful about a highly visible and very blatant failure of border control. It's a totem of all the other lawlessness that makes people feel that the country is falling apart. Some people would make a legitimate argument that it would be immoral to just send the navy out to stop the boats, but I don't see any legitimate argument for why people should be able to wash up on a beach and immediately disappear into the black economy. The instinctive reaction to small boats - that the system is out of control, that no-one in charge is able or willing to address the concerns of the electorate - is fundamentally in line with what Home Office insiders are saying.

As a policy wonk I could point to all sorts of immigration and asylum issues that are more complex, subtle and insidious, but that's almost besides the point; if we can't fix the most obvious and blatant problems, what chance do we have of fixing the sort of stuff that only nerds and immigration lawyers know or care about?

I'd make a similar argument about something like Motability cars. Most people don't know the details of the benefits system and couldn't quote you the statistics on the staggering increase in PIP and UC LCW/LCWRA claims, but practically every working-class person knows a sick or disabled person who is really struggling and someone else who has blagged a new car on Motability despite having no actual need for it. The casual observation that the system is unfair to people who really need it while also being wide open to abuse by piss-takers is exactly in line with what the experts are saying.

I don't want to post the bell curve midwit meme, but there seems to be a bureaucratic middle-management class who adamantly believe that it's impossible to fix any of the issues that Brian from Wetherspoons and Sir Tarquin Poncenby-Smythe from the Institute for Fiscal Studies agree on.

>>471800

"Selective" in this case meaning "we'll include loads of minimum-wage jobs in the Skilled Worker route, slash the minimum salary requirements to well below the median wage and allow people on social care visas to bring over an unlimited number of dependents". Calling a system selective doesn't make it so; Johnson freely admitted that he opened the taps on immigration to control wage growth.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/boris-johnson-interview-tim-shipman-wgg6kh66b

>>471802

>Johnson freely admitted that he opened the taps on immigration to control wage growth

Which is what it always has been, and always will be about, in the end. The fact that Johnson gets to say it when nobody else, not even (especially not even) Savile will say it is all the proof you need- The court jester who gets to say the truth because nobody ever took him seriously.

Which is why it always has to go back to the moral outrage to illegals- In a sane world, the "illegals", i.e asylum seekers, would be the ones we just shrug and let in anyway, because they are comparatively few in number and it's not really even worth the cost of bothering. We'd be instead addressing our home-grown unemployment/underemployment and low productivity (I don't actually buy that part, but for the sake of argument) low wage economy so that we only need a selective pool of specialist immigration.

But as it is, we've got an ownership class who are intent on just using Britain as a giant low wage high rent Victorian sweatshop slum, where we are basically the cattle they farm for profit. So naturally, it has to be the other way around, and no matter how much they say they will address it, we know they won't because that is not in the ruling classes's material interest.

>>471793
>I'm actually going on holiday next week near Weymouth. Is there anywhere you'd recommend going?
I really liked Bridport and West Bay when I went there for a wedding, but perhaps you won't want to go that far.

>>471795
I have a more insane idea that nobody will support: if we allow immigration exclusively for shitty jobs that British people don't want, like care work, but refuse visas for immigrants who want to take our excellent high-paying jobs in cybersecurity and software engineering, then our companies will have to train British people to do those jobs, instead of just hiring foreigners who can already do those things. The main argument against this is that it will stifle the economic growth that high-flying millionaire immigrants can provide, but if our economic growth is so anaemic, do we really need them?

The Italian Job was on TV earlier. How much of football fan culture is based on that film? There's that "self-preservation society" song most notably, but I saw several other things that I believe will have been adopted into general white-male culture just because they were in 1969's The Italian Job. The only other single piece of popular culture I can think of which had a similar influence on NPC #lad attitudes would be Peaky Blinders.

My landlord has put my flat on the market but also wants me to renew the contract for November at an increased rent. But the place is already too expensive for me anyway even before the insecurity being introduced so I guess I'm moving out of my nice flat that I'd turned into a home just at the time when I'm also trying to also learn to drive.

I really love where I live too. I'm being gentrified and I don't like it.

>>471808

Time to move to Manchester.

>>471808
I'm sorry this happened to you, even if you are posting that racist Chinese guy. I'm genuinely trying to convince everyone I know that landlords are lower and more useless than mosquitos, so I hope that brings some solace at this time.

Is it illegal to have twins and raise one a devout Jew, and the other a devout eskimo? Like say the mother is ethnically Jewish. And the dad is a eskimo. Have Chaim go through the bar mitzvahs and all that stuff, have Abdul observe Ramadan and pray five times a day. Maybe they could bond over seders and iftars, sharing each others religions. Would the Shackleton reject Abdul for having a Jew brother? Would the rabbi disapprove of Chaim having a eskimo brother?

It seems like it'd be fucked up to raise kids like that and that there should be instruments in place to stop it happening, but also at the same time it could be the solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict and dolphin rape in general.

>>471877
If you're arranging for your children to be Eskimo brothers then I imagine some sort of crime is happening, yes.

I was in Darling ton (I think? Somewhere around there) and I saw a shop purporting to be Britain's biggest vape shop. I thought, that's quite a claim. There was also a tanning place called OnlyTans.

>>471880

>>471810
>I'm genuinely trying to convince everyone I know that landlords are lower and more useless than mosquitos
Do explain, I dream of becoming one myself.

I didn't realise that it was a bank holiday weekend until that coffee lass asked me what I had planned today - she's obviously working but that could've been a surreal Monday morning in the office for me. Oh and she waves and smiles at me now even when I'm just walking passed.

>>471810
If it's any consolation I've gone right back to them setting out point by point why I won't accept a rent increase. Not least as I need a proper contract because the Rental Reform Act is going to allow evictions after a 12 month tenancy for people looking to live at the address and they'll also want to have viewings on the place.

I'll probably move out anyway but my flatmate seems content to stay and struggles with these kind of official communications.

>>471436
>So it seems that tonight I'm living in The Daily Express.

Yesterday I saw a North African man in his 30s with a beard and dressed in scruffy black trackies hanging around with blonde white children who must be ages 10-14 at lunchtime near my flat. He gave the youngest boy his vape to puff and the boy tried to push him away as I approached before slyly puffing on it. There was a girl who seemed to be the eldest holding hands with him. I went and called the police to go sort it out but I got the distinct impression they couldn't give a toss.

Today I saw them again in the same spot. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do here, I guess I'll contact child protection services if I see them again because I don't much fancy taking pictures of children or getting stabbed. Naturally nobody would believe me when I tell them this because it sounds like something you only read about in a disreputable newspaper.

>>471877
>at the same time it could be the solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict and dolphin rape in general.

It didn't work out so well with Arminius but I imagine the sibling conflicts would have a uniquely bitter twist.

>>471881
Yes, that looks exactly like the kind of place where I'd want to spend £5 on a halloumi burger.

>>471881
Have they listed jacket potatoes as a type of bread in the sandwich section?

I'm in the middle of nowhere. Quite pleasant really.

>>471886
Saw a cat, heard some cows and now I'm eating gherkins under the apple trees in this chapel graveyard. There are chickens nearby. Highly recommended.

>>471883
Man, I hate this country.

>>471887

You've gone too far lad, ended up down under.

>>471893
It looks like he's trying to have a shit while standing on his head. Or perhaps an extremely adventurous dick pic.

Do people who follow porn accounts on Instagram not realise that their follows are public? Or do they just not care?

Nonetheless I did not need to know that my coworker has a gunge fetish.

As it's the bank holiday I felt the excuse to order a pizza and a garlic cheese starter and a giant cookie for dessert last night and now I feel absolutely wank. I saved half the medium pizza for breakfast but I fear that's already ruined any hope of a productive weekend with the calories from that breakfast with a pot of free dip it's come to 1334 calories. 370 of that is the dip alone. So far this morning I've only managed to watch Youtube videos of Star Trek.

In future I'll stick with those gym meal services - I can get a nice beef, rice and veggies maintenance meal for about 800kcal and while it's £15 I feel much better for it. It's really no wonder that I put so much weight on during the pandemic.

>>471897
I suppose I should add the core lesson here is that you should ignore mass-to-pound when shopping and focus on high-quality fuel. I've heard this is how you should look at treats generally, ignore the cheap stuff that gives you more and focus on the proper artisan shit that gives you less but paradoxically gives you a more enjoyable experiance both eating it and how you feel later.

I find it very interesting that Disco 2000 by Pulp and Year 3000 by Busted were released just eight years apart (1995 and 2003). I know they were never going to have come out a literal millennium apart, but eight years before now was 2017, which doesn't feel very long ago at all.

>>471897
Has anybody ever speculated that you might have an eating disorder? Maybe I'm the weird one here, but your posts like this are always so incredibly far removed from my own attitudes and habits.

>>471899
Inducing an eating disorder is part of the game with nutrition trackers and rewiring a diet - I've been losing weight for a few years now having gone from obese to approaching a healthy weight but you can't really go cold-turkey on food.

>>471900

Arguably it's the opposite, you are replacing an eating disorder by training yourself to eat in an orderly fashion. But I see what you are saying.

Found another CD with disc rot in my collection. It's a Now sampler from 1998, and the clear layer is starting to get cloudy. Applying a bit of window cleaner has helped, but you can still see it.

Which is again proof that by the 90s, they were scrimping on raw materials. Not all polycarbonate is created equally. Whatever stuff they used in the early to mid-80s has turned out far superior and you don't really see much rot on those CDs at all.

Lots of bridges over motorways and A roads have England/Union Jack flags on them these days.

>>471907
I fucking hate being reminded I live here and also it seems like seppo behaviour.

>>471908
I think it's far less pride and a sense of superiority like it is in America and more of a somewhat menacing message to brown-eyed people that Britain belongs to whitey.

Not that most of them will say that part out loud.

>>471909
This.
The recent uptick in flags is nothing to do with national pride, but more to feel like getting one over on them Wokes.

>>471908
There's always an uptick in anti-immigrant sentiment whenever the economy is in the shitter and it's not really going to go away until this turns around.

The flashpoint is obviously the illegal immigrants crossing The Channel and subsequently ending up in hotels, but I don't think what those in power have fully grasped is that it's seen as much more than this, that it's symbolic of government (and the country's) failings. They're showing that they can't protect our borders, that they can't maintain law and order. It's going against people's sense of fairness, that they're seeing their living standards slip, they're struggling to get an appointment to see their doctor, you get the idea, but then they perceive that people can come into this country illegally and have everything handed to them on a boat; "Two tier Keir" has stuck, and for good reason. The government need to stop the boats, not because it's actually important to stop the boats but so they can try and demonstrate to the country they're actually capable of governing.

>>471910
I do like how some of the thickest people in England have stumbled upon an easy way to expose the kind of left-leaning intellectuals that Orwell warned us about. All it took was local councils being incapable of realising that they could just tell them to stop but then do nothing until it either rains, we get a bit of wind or they get bored.

For me the worst part has been reading discussions about London from people who don't live here. We have all sorts of flags in London. Some would say too many. The England flag is displayed from public landmarks - notably anything to do with City of London along with various people hanging them from balconies, in pubs etc/ which will go into overdrive for the next World Cup.

>>471912

>I do like how some of the thickest people in England have stumbled upon an easy way to expose the kind of left-leaning intellectuals that Orwell warned us about

The low cunning of the working class, did he not call it? Or was that somebody else.

>>471911
>There's always an uptick in anti-immigrant sentiment whenever the economy is in the shitter and it's not really going to go away until this turns around.

The economy is recovering and we posted the best growth in the G7 earlier in the year. That might not be saying much but things are getting better if you look at the numbers and they have been getting better for awhile now even before the election.

You're putting too much on the environment when I reckon it's just that Labour rubs a lot of people the wrong way and they seem to almost sneer while they do it which has been exploited by dishonest sources. We've had the same with the OSA where everyone who opposes it has just been labelled a carpet-bagger.

>>471914

>but line is going up!

You'll never learn.

>>471914
>The economy is recovering and we posted the best growth in the G7 earlier in the year.
Only in 6 months we'll hear that it's failing again. Is the necessity of such minute observation of an economy really a healthy position for it to be in? I really don't know, you're welcome to ridicule me.

>>471915
But line going up is the answer. If line go up far enough, we might even have enough money to build some immigrant processing centres in Dover so we don't need to put them in hotels any more, and the white race will finally be saved from globohomo leftism or whatever the fuck these clueless mongs are asking for.

>>471916
Of course it's shit, but it's the best we can hope for. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

>>471915
The NHS waiting list line is going down.
The exports line is going up - with it being strong on manufacturing.
The homes owned by Labour ministers line is going up.
Mortgage rates are also down.

It'll be right.

>>471916
>Only in 6 months we'll hear that it's failing again

If it follows the trajectory of the past couple years and OBR/IMF estimates then it will hit around 1% growth for the year. It could be a lot better but the UK economy isn't in the shitter which says a lot considering the persistent headwinds - the next 6 months is anyone's guess but that's going to depend on the US and maybe France.