I keep buying clothes by mistake. And I'm going to do it again.

At least yesterday I found an actually decent shirt in a charity shop, even if it was pricy for what it is.

Nowt, I'm skint because of a contract change that means I've got to make two weeks of pay last until July, and it's completely legal for my company to do that apparently. Capitalism is wonderful.

I've been sensible and saved enough to cover the bills and hold me over, but it means I won't be doing anything fun. I hope it rains constantly for the whole month so nobody else can enjoy themselves either.

>>470724
How do you buy clothes by mistake?

I'll pretty much be moping around feigning depression because I'm lonely but don't want to go out making friends.
Had a diet of confectionary and crisps over the last 5 days because the bus up to shops is 'too expensive' I could walk but the heat of not-even-summer is too great and I can't be slogging it 30 minutes uphill in boots just to feed myself. I could stretch for 3 trips but after that my clothes would be stinking even to my standard, requiring more regular laundry, soap.. ugh.
It's probably do me some good excersise though and I'd be less likely to be buying crap like I am now.
I had intended to buy from the local grocer - greater quality and convinience but fewer items, at likely the same price as the bus to Tesco. It makes sense to me trading quality for quanitity when considering the £6 travel fee required for the latter.

>>470724
>I found an actually decent shirt in a charity shop, even if it was pricy for what it is.
What's that then, a decent shirt? I suppose you could say it's second hand - I'll admit charity shop prices have risen over the past 4 years, particularly BHF.

I once witnessed a scrubby woman complaining in a charity shop about £1 price tags on clothes she'd picked out herself. It's like, dude you've already shown your interest by noticing the item, then you have the cheek to ask "who'd pay a pound for that?!" Evidently you're considering it. You'd give a quid to a beggar for fuck sake. They made a fuss in the entire shop, thankfully it was mostly empty. I felt bad for the learning disabled floor volunteer - they didn't know where to look.

I'm going out later for a friend's stag night. He's 46, it's his third wedding, second stag night I've been to, and he's a complete liability and a notorious bellend. And an alcoholic. I hope some of the random bartenders he has also invited turn out to be close friends, so it doesn't fall to me to be the best friend there. Because I am hoping to really be more of an extra.

My stepdad fell for one of those mobile phone courier theft scams, almost. My mum said the woman sounded like she was from "Um Bongo", yet my stepdad still trusted the woman despite him being a huge racist.

>>470730

Never heard of that, what's the scam?

>>470731
You get a call from your "phone provider" offering a discount and a free bit of tech (in this case an Apple Watch) for being a good customer. To finalise the order they request a pin. In the background, they're resetting your actual account password using the PIN provided. They order an expensive flagship phone to your address using your phone provider account.

The package turns up and they ring you to say you were sent the wrong item! They offer to collect the phone with a courier, then you'll be sent your Apple Watch. The courier is actually a scammer too, who will take the phone to a mule to be sent elsewhere, usually out of the country.

Then in a month's time the victim receives a bill for £1200 from the phone provider, and the scammers have won. And the victim still has no Apple Watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Ppe3MEoWo

Can you get goosebumps in your pubes? As in, they'll all stand up on end?

>>470732

I think they tried that one on me too.

A while ago I got a call from somebody - with a faint but noticeable Mideastern accent - who claimed to be calling me as part of the O2 Loyal Customer programme. Or something like it, anyway, he said he was with O2. I knew it was a scam but I was in a mood that day to let him finish his bit just to see how elaborate the scam was. And then I said, yeah, I don't think you're working for O2. I haven't been an O2 customer for over 15 years. He then actually said "well, we do Vodafone as well". I laughed and hung up.

You ever see posts on here that seem to align with your own day and what you're up to?

On my walk today I was thinking about how cornershops shouldn't be given support by the government and perhaps they should even be banned. I know that sounds drastic but everything they sell is either nicotine, alcohol or addictive foods that they sell at a premium because they know they have addicts coming in the door. When's the last time anyone got something from a corner shop that they actually needed and how many times have you got milk in an emergency and found it had gone bad because the milk just sits on the shelf most days?

The other week I walked into one looking for button batteries and there was a bloke taking a litre of vodka to the counter who was shaking like a shitting dog and knew the owner by name. They didn't have my batteries of course, the local Tesco express did.

>>470727
I don't get it, you'd need to do 3 trips in a day or in a week? I'd recommend doing the walk anyway, get an audiobook or a podcast and you soon start looking forward to a good walk. Aim for 10k steps a day, find some good routes with lots of greenery and you'll eventually feel great.

>>470727
>You'd give a quid to a beggar for fuck sake

How dare you.

The weather forecast said it was going to rain pretty much non-stop from about 10am until 6pm. Apart from a few minutes of spitting around lunchtime, it's been dry all day.

>>470727
>What's that then, a decent shirt?
It's just a Vans shirt, that for some reason cost a whole tenner. Not that much really, and it did have "new" written on the label (although there were no original tags on it). However, it's just "decent" because while it's not a cheapo bit of shite from BHS or suchlike, but it's also not particularly interesting in terms of design or fit.

>>470736
I've had a fair amount of rain, off and on. I should have been at my stag night now, but the early bit was cancelled due to nobody wanting to go out to an outdoor place in the rain.

As a result, I have put up a new light in my living room. This is my new greatest electrical DIY achievement in history, surpassing the time I replaced a light switch. The old light hadn't worked since I bought this house, and it was hanging off the wall from some exposed wires that I never went near but discovered were live as I researched how to attach the new light I bought. I didn't even need to switch off all the electricity in my house to carry out this DIY! Although the exposed wires were very short and I couldn't connect them to the new light, so I had to go back to Wickes for the fourth or fifth time to identify and purchase the type of wire I needed.

Fuck it; you can't doxx me from this picture. Here it is: my actual handiwork. The damn thing is much too bright.

>>470735
>Corner shops
>they sell at a premium because they know they have addicts coming in the door
Their premium prices reflect the convinience of using them.
Where I'm from corner shops are usually the ground floor of a block of flats or set within a residential area. Walk up town for 20 minutes for a pint of milk or pop to the corner and back in 90 seconds at the cost of an additional 50p.
At least that's the logic. I don't know how rent comes into it - you'd have thought it'd be cheaper than the highstreet. Logistics probably accounts for more than the bigger shops but I'm grasping.

I used to know the names of the cornershop people, they even gave me a lift up the road a couple of times and let a friend use their shower (?!). I don't like talking to them much these days, no real reason I'm just anti-social.

The worst I can say about one of my local cornershops is that the milkbottle handles are sometimes smeared with what I can only hope is curry (Hindu owners). Oh, and I suspect they're fiddling taxes.

>I don't get it, you'd need to do 3 trips in a day or in a week?
Probably 3 trips in a 12 day period, never really bothered to count it. There are a few nice walks enroute, I used to do it at least once a week back when I was 5 stone lighter.
I was trying to say how by walking I'd need to wash my clothes more regularly than the current 4-5 week cycle they're currently on.

Most of my fruity looms have yellow, even brown-orange armpits :S

>>470738

I don't have much to add but it feels weird seeing inside a dotjee-esser's house. I want you all to post a picture of a random corner in your home.

>>470739

I only use my local corner shop (it's not even on a corner, it's one of those where there's a little block in the middle of the estate with a shop, a takeaway and a nail/hair place) for milk. And I generally only go down when I've got cash. But I made a rule that I will walk if I am going there instead of getting in the car, because it would just be bone idle to go that far in the car and it forces me to get clean clothes on and a wash.

Sad as it sounds there's days when I was badly depressed I would just sit and rot without showering and drinking black coffee with no milk in because I just simply couldn't be fucked going outside even though I was hungry and had nothing in. Usually then I'd eventually cave and waste a load of money ordering delivery too, which would make me feel worse, in a negative feedback loop. Each time I do need milk and just pop out to get it like a normal person I consider that to be a little victory and it gives me reassurance that I am actually doing well and I've got my shit together, which I find is a positive feedback loop in the same way.

A lot of things are like that, when I think about it, feedback loops are everywhere in life, there's something profound in realising and utilising that understanding I think.

Fancy buying DJ Spoony's house?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/162375134

>>470736
Yeah, that ruined my day as well! I was expecting Armageddon, but that weather wouldn't have warranted so much as a red flag.

Do you three ever feel like completely walking away from your life and everything you know, to start something entirely new?

>>470743
Of course, most days. I used to dream of livingon a narrow boat (and sod it all) until I learned there was a community of live aboards and it solves nothing.

After that: find house in livable place, move there, done. Anything that ends in "-ford" as initial filter.

>>470743
I think it's fairly common to fantasise about starting again, especially if you're in a position where this would be unrealistic.

I posted about this flippantly on /iq/ years ago, but Karen Matthews sort of had the right idea. She was trapped in her life on a sink estate in Dewsbury with seven bastard children by five different men, so sick of them that she'd give them sedatives so she could actually get a bit of peace and quiet. Her thick as pig shit paedo boyfriend wasn't exactly much better.

Karen saw a way out of this life. She took a gamble, which cost her three years in prison but gave her a new identity, a new life. She's free of everything that was tying her down in life, free of those bastard kids every single day, free of her responsibilities. She can reinvent herself without a worry or a care. Even if her plan somehow worked, £50k can go a long way in Dewsbury to a better life.

>>470746
Truth is, you can't live free on this crowded island wihout 4-5 million at least. Yes, there's the acquisition, let's say you bought your 1.5m croft and make a hovel there. What next? Unless this is playground money for you, it'll be an endless money sinck (listed, remember) with endless upkeep.

>>470748
When most people talk about starting over with a fresh start they generally mean not being tied down by family, mortgages or the career path they've taken, and getting another attempt from scratch, rather than an off-grid smallholding.

Maybe I should have studied pharmacy instead of finance at university. Maybe I should have had different relationships in my life. Doesn't mean I want to start rearing sheep and pigs.

Gotta go do the big shop. Can't be arsed, but I've got fuck all in. Was supposed to be out for drinks with a lass this afternoon but to absolutely no surprise from me she's flaked out with some half cooked excuse about forgetting it's her mate's birthday. Fuck her, I couldn't really be bothered either if I'm honest. I'm going to try out that The Finals game later on. Supposedly it's good but I am skeptical of any free to play games. Might buy a steak for dinner as a treat. Or just loads of chocolate and pastries.

It's an 'ard life innit.

It's a sign of my age that I just spent £99.81 on health supplements. That's like a ticket to a music festival. 6 months of gut biotics, 12 months of fish oil with vitamin D and a measly 2 months of magnesium bisglycinate. I even had fun running through it.

I learnt that cod-liver oil is a scam and there's a new boy in town called 'New Leaf' that are giving you the good magnesium instead of cutting it with magnesium oxide and they're doing it for cheap. You might think the vitamin D addition would be useless but apparently even in summer the sun in this country isn't perfect. I'm going to have to start hiding this stuff away from my bathroom so people don't get the wrong idea.

>>470750
Go for a good steak dinner - a few weeks ago I did Tesco's 'Finest Dine in for two' with steaks, buttery mash, sticky toffee puddings and a couple big bottlegreens to drink. The steaks, puddings and drinks gave me the basis for two days of good dinners and was much more enjoyable than if I'd got a takeaway in.

I promise I'm not an advertising bot

>>470749

>When most people talk about starting over with a fresh start they generally mean not being tied down by family, mortgages or the career path they've taken, and getting another attempt from scratch, rather than an off-grid smallholding.

Pretty much this. It's about questioning your decisions and wondering if, and how your life could be better if you'd gone down a different path at some point.

A little bit of it isn't unhealthy, or at least no more unhealthy than some other similar thoughts, but you have to make sure it doesn't weigh on you too much and depresses you.

>>470751

Well, I compromised, got a big pizza that I've just had, and some belgian waffles for a bit of sweet snacking while I play games. Got some salmon and chicken breasts and rice to make healthy meals through the week. I never do takeaways any more because I realised a long time ago it's never actually nice food, unless you have a really good Chinese or Indian nearby. I only ever ordered it out of laziness, not because I actually wanted a shite rubbery pizza.

Spent the afternoon playing guitar because I realised I haven't touched the thing since about February. Would have happily kept on all night but my fingertips are painful now, because that's long enough for the callouses to soften. I need to get back into all the things I used to do hobby wise. The last few months I've done basically fuck all but go to work, then come home to watch YouTube and shitpost. That's not living, it's just existing.

>>470741
Considering I have no idea who DJ Spoony is (is he a nightclub DJ or a radio-presenter DJ?), that house is downright palatial and much nicer than any of the others you have posted.

>>470754
When I first saw it I was picturing Goldie. It turns out he's a radio DJ.

I don't think I posted Tim Burton's house. I believe it had been in Helena Bonham Carter's family for a few generations but he got it in the divorce.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/162309527

>>470755
>I believe it had been in Helena Bonham Carter's family for a few generations but he got it in the divorce.
This is praxis. Thank you, Comrade Burton.

Father's day next week. What are you getting him? I think I've written myself into a corner by spending £40 on my mum this year for her garden.

There's not much a man approaching 70 needs; he mostly watches sport on the tv, takes the dog out for a walk and keeps things interesting by sometimes reading a newspaper. There's an older man at work but going by his work intro page his favourite thing in the world is his grandchildren which seems unethical to send to my dad.

I just sent an email to Kirk Holsted, a guy from the 99 Percent Invisible podcast who recently lost the use of his arm.

In it, I suggested that he plug a second keyboard in, put it on the floor, and use his feet to augment his single handed typing. The next step is taking off keycaps of keys you don't want, then further to that 3D printing your own 'footboard', possibly using triggers and utilising the dexterity within our toes that goes unharnessed.

I was going to end the email by saying "I've got both hands, and even I'm going to give it a shot", but that may be a bit gauche. Either way, I feel quite gracious for sharing my wisdom but somewhat hypocritical for not plugging a second keyboard in right now and doing it myself - I just can't be arsed to try learning something new at the moment.

It's got legs though.

Spent the evening having a large bag of crisps and three bottles of Stella while aimlessly watching youtube.

The simple things.

>>470757
My dad is getting a few bottles of beer, a couple of chocolate bars and some smellies. It may not be the best things to have bought him, seeing as the doctor told him to improve his diet, but if I can't get these I'll be completely fucked.

I always end up spending more on my mum than my dad when it comes to presents, unless I do something like getting them theatre tickets for Christmas, but that's because it's easy to buy for her whereas he does nothing and doesn't really want anything.

>>470760
I finally got him some socks, a coffee cup heater, sweets and fancy biscuits. I agree that for men there's no getting away from unhealthy gifts.

And then I saw that Amazon have a 30% off offer on books and ended up spending more on myself than I spent on my dad

My strawberries look like AI concoctions, but they're tasty and I'm even getting to eat some before the bastarding birds do.

>>470765

Mine sort of went straight from greenish-pink to mushy and overripe due to the rainy weather we've had. I got to eat only about a handful.

It turns out a small lump in a horse's field I've walked past pobably a hundred times is an Iron Age cemetary barrow. There's a buried stone circle across the road from it and there was another barrow, but they built a petrol station on it in the 70s.

>>470837
Get digging.

I think I will get an airbnb for my stay in Crete. Never been much of a fan of big hotels, and there are plenty of self catering apartment complexes on the island that come with everything from a pool to a snack bar and gym.

I already had one place booked via booking.com, but on second thought it just wasn't good value for money at over 800 quid for ten days, so I cancelled it again yesterday. £500, with sea view and a pool in a well looked after location, looks entirely possible on the island, and there are still plenty of vacancies for the end of the month.

>>470843

Just take a sleeping bag. It's going to be plenty cosy at night this time of year. The money you save booking a room means you'll be able to eat out every night. You can shower at the beach.

>>470844

>The money you save booking a room means you'll be able to eat out every night.

I mean, there's travelling on a budget, and then there's travelling like a bum.

>>470839
While it's novel to know they're so close, I don't think there's much value, academic or monetary, in re-excavating a large pit of bone ash or several large stones.

I was thinking of doing some art classes in the evening and maybe making it a little activity to meet more people. Would you recommend doing beginner pottery or painting?

I'm not sure what I'd paint/make and I've never really done anything too creative outside of my school days. But it would be fun either to have some horrifically misshapen pottery I can leave on a shelf or to be told to draw a banana and a oranges only to ignore my teacher's instructions and do a couple melons and a kiwi for japes.

>>470846
Might be a good place to bury a body though if you think about it. Just throw in some ape bones so everyone is too focused on that to worry about who the skeleton originally belonged to.

Have you ever noticed that you can predict with good accuracy what a person's voice will sound like before you hear them speak for the first time, just by looking at them?

Try it with some youtube videos. It's really bewildering.

I was in a café earlier and there was an old man who absolutely stunk of piss. I hope I never reach that point in life. If I do, maybe I'll be completely unaware of it.

>>470852

My grandad had prostate problems in his old age and he always smelled of piss, although he was not somebody who generally stopped looking after himself.

He also liked his cigars. I still remember that combined smell of piss and cigar smoke everytime we visited my grandparents.

Appropos of nothing I'm quietly irritated about some acrobat post or tweet I occasionally remember I once saw where they were arguing that all credit should be given to artist's muses than to the artist, as they're the ones responsible for the work. I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion, maybe they saw Dogma and are total morons.

I'll actually have a good few blackberries in my back garden this summer.

It started a few years ago with one plant randomly growing in the flower bed, probably from a seed that a bird shat out, and I transplanted it to a different corner of the garden, where conditions were apparently perfect for it to grow profusely and form several daughter plants. But they've never flowered as numerously as this year. All going well, I can expect almost a whole small bowl of blackberries this season.

I need to remortgage by September so I better get my arse in gear. The best deals at the minute seem to be:

2 year fix - 4.14%.
5 year fix - 4.06%.
2 year tracker - 0.29% above base rate.
5 year tracker - 1% above base rate.
Lifetime tracker - 0.52% above base rate.

I think I'm tempted by the 2 year tracker, but the £999 product fee if I have to remortgage afterwards is a bit of a turn off.

>>470856
Enjoy them, but I'm reasonably sure that blackberry plants count as carnivorous. I've got them in hedges next to the sheep, and they capture one every now and then.

I know it's a simple thing to make, but I've baked shortbread and it's bloody delicious.

>>470859
>a simple thing to make
Put the recipe in the recipe thread, I could do with a good make at home while bored biscuit. I used to do a flapjack I found on rudgwicksteamshow.co.uk but it was quite heavy. Simply Oats, butter, honey and flour to bind. 20 minutes in a medium oven to melt it together, eat when cooled and 'set'. To memory they were equal measures minus the flour which was about 1/5th, but you can pretty much eyeball it. Added milk gave a moisture and creaminess.

I think I sold a schizophrenic man £200 worth of charity shop tat today. I'm feeling slightly guilty.

>>470862

Be fine, I'm sure he'll have fun with it. Maybe not in the intended manner, but waste not want not.

Yesterday I suggested a distressed looking mum have vodka and coke for her breakfast because HGVlad fucked up his cold chain, so all my fridge stock was fucked. I don't think she saw the funny side.

>>470860
It's literally just flour, butter, and sugar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/shortbread_1290

In other news, I've received a bar of Tony's for Father's Day. It's alright I guess.

>>470866
>It's literally just flour, butter, and sugar.
I made it, it's .. okay. A bit dry.

>>470867
It should be nice and buttery, and a bit crumbly.

I am watching Soccer Aid on TV, and it has come to my attention that ex-professional footballer John O'Shea looks exactly like what you'd get if you merged Peter Kay and Paddy McGuinness into one person.

>>470875
I'd say he looks more like Johnny Vaughan in the midst of a bitter custody battle.

Is music star Kae cup of tea doing an actual sex change? I know that she the individual in question no longer goes by Kate, but I am watching said individual on Later With Jools Holland and I can definitely see a proper beard being grown, which is more masculine than I would have expected from a standard enbie lesbian.

>>470877
>cup of tea
That's an odd wordfilter to have. Do people bring up the Shakespeare play, The T*mpest, excessively often?

>>470877

They're a they/them. If they has a beard then it's a fairly safe bet that they is on testosterone, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they identifies as male.

Gender-neutral pronouns are a crime against grammar.

>>470877
When she was a Kate I thought she looked like a grown up version of the girl from Jurassic Park.

Now that he's a Kae he looks like a lesbian Geography teacher counting down her days until retirement, so I can see why they'd try and grow a beard to avoid this look.

I only know one transman who's grown a beard, but they don't groom it so it looks like a bunch of pubes have sprouted on their head.

Beard or not, and I don't care if everyone at 6 Music hears me saying this, the music's shite.

>>470887
I don't think I could articulate it without coming across like I'm a racist, but there is too much rap on 6Music. White person rap, especially when it's poshos harping on about poverty and social injustice, is even worse.

It's like Jack Monroe all over again. If they were an actual poor person the likes of the Guardian wouldn't give them the time of day.

>>470888
I used to listen to 6 music almost exclusively and thought ther playlist was eclectic. They even had a 'freak show' program that played the weirdest music, some of it shit.
Granted it's been about 4 years sinse I listened regularly, but you're probably catching the same few programs each day.

>>470889
I did a work experience thing for a marketing company many years ago and they listened to BBC 6 Music in the office. It was cool to hear wild and random music, but by the end of the week I knew all the songs. The playlist is no longer than any other radio station; it’s just a handful of hipster songs instead of Culture Club and Fleetwood Mac like proper radio has.

>>470889
I don't think I can agree with that. I mostly listen to Craig Charles and Nick Grimshaw. However, Kae cup of tea just isn't very interesting in terms of their rapping, nor are the beats they rap over particularly good. Maybe I just have an unrecognised bigotry for Londoners. I also once said on here that "only Americans and the Irish" should make rap music, so there are multiple reasons why my opinion might not be worth a damn.

>Jack Monroe
In the past I would have gone to the mat over this one. However, I think they might have turned their brain to soup with the booze addiction, or just locked themselves into a very online career with few transferable skills and as such exist to produice "content" at all costs. Perhaps it's a little of both.

>>470889
It's mainly on the way to/from work I have the radio on and it feels like they play a disproportionate amount of rap music in those slots. Ever since Nick Grimshaw took the breakfast slot from Lauren Laverne it's also got more... pop.

I quite like it when I stumble across a one-off theme, e.g. the tribute to Roy Ayers the other month or when they do a show that's all foreign language songs.

>>470888
>White person rap, especially when it's poshos harping on about poverty and social injustice, is even worse.
>It's like Jack Monroe all over again. If they were an actual poor person the likes of the Guardian wouldn't give them the time of day.
The past 60 years have done a lot to impoverish the education and ambitions of the working class, no doubt there are talented and awake to social injustice povvo artists out there but the majority are neither or only one. In the meantime I'm not against middle class people making an effort to raise issues they personally may not directly suffer from.
Taking your argument to the logical extremes is "men should never write women and vice versa, no white person should make art about non-white experiences" and whatnot.

>>470893
My issue with Jack Monroe is that she came from a fairly privileged background and LARPed as a poor person for a few months so she could tap into the indignation of Guardian readers about having to feed her son Weetabix mixed with water because that's all she could afford as she didn't get her parents to bail her out that time. It's not too dissimilar to Common People by Pulp.

Kae cup of tea feels similarly performative. It's music for Guardian readers who want to pretend to be on the right side of the struggle while going about their cosy middle-class lives and hoping deep down things won't change for them. I've never met a poor person who likes his music, it isn't for them.

>>470893

There's a huge difference between depicting someone in fiction and purporting to speak on their behalf.

The working class are perfectly capable of making their own rap music, but actual working class people are frightening and repulsive to Radio 6 listeners; they'd prefer to venerate an imaginary working class that conforms to their prejudices.

>>470894
Yeah, I don't really care about this kind of authenticity. Most poor people are barely literate, anti-intellectual, troglodytes. It's no wonder they don't get newspaper columns or book deals. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but it is a significant one. And it's for those same reasons I don't defer to them on matters of taste either.

If the output is quality, and I think Jack Monroe's was in the prior decade, then I don't especially care if they were only skint for a few months. Kae cup of tea (who implemented this word filter and for what purpose?) meanwhile has always had decidedly miquetoast lyrics that often sound like "live, laugh, love"-isms with a more social consciousness. Combine that with a kind of shite flow and I've never really connected with the music, or poetry.

I don't hold the same level of disdain for Guardian readers as you do either. I think they're no different from most people in not really having any clue regarding how to lift the UK out of it's malaise, and while the Corbyn years showed many of them to be easily led and hopelessly naive, they're far less of a malign influence than most socio-political sets in this country. It's like complaining about the smell coming from the zebras while a pride of lions is already eating you.

Anyway, I listened to 6 Music while going to the shops earlier, but they were doing a "Six of the Best" feature, which this time was essentially the Gen X power (half) hour. As such I didn't get a good handle on how much cracker rap they put out.

>>470895
>There's a huge difference between depicting someone in fiction and purporting to speak on their behalf.
That's really not true especially in this context. Fictional portrayals massively impact how people are seen, perhaps moreso than actual representatives, given how much more fiction is consumed than real people are listened to. Where's the line, anyway? Are those lads rapping about their real lives or an idealised portrayal of them? Who's keeping track, the class segregation thought police?

>>470894
>I've never met a poor person who likes his music, it isn't for them.
What does that have to do with anything? I was introduced to Kae's music by a well spoken goth with overtly middle class sensibilities, happened to also be a single mum raising two kids on a teacher's salary in a council flat. Does she count as poor or is the distinction not an actual economic thing?

>>470898

>Does she count as poor

No, obviously, unless your definition of "poor" includes the majority of the British population.

>>470898
That's a middle class person who's made poor life choices™.

>>470896

Why don't you just say "I'm a posho wanker and I am uncomfortable with the introspective conclusions about myself that I may have to confront when privilege is discussed" and be done with it, lad. You are clearly cripplingly insecure for someone who doesn't think there's anything odd about tying a sweater around your neck.

>>470899

Unless you are comparing them against eastern bloc shitholes or countries with brown-eyed people in them, the majority of the British population are poor.

I bet the lad who brought up the facial hair wasn't expecting this.

>>470905
Of course I was. Perhaps I was expecting more of a gender-based debate, but nothing has surprised me so far.

>>470902
That's just it though, mate, I'm not a posho wanker. All my fucking life I've been around fellow strugglers and strivers, and a lot of them have treated me with complete contempt for seemingly no reason. Back in 2017 a couple of them in a van chucked a bottle of water at my head, and when I shouted "fucking cunts" at them and flipped them the V they turned around on the A-road, sped towards me and mounted the pavement. During that time I was so poor I was pinching food from the baked goods counter in Tesco to get by. Or how about when I was in year 9, got jumped by a 18 year old I'd never met, who proceeded to kick the shit out of me, all for seemingly no reason? But that was alright, because his brother explained he'd been on ket at the time (probably to cope with how hard the "working class" have it) and was properly sorry about it. That was around the same time my prick father and his mates were snorting white powder off the bathroom mirror while I was in my room. Or, or, how about the half-pissed 50-something scrote I had the misfortune of dealing with yesterday who, in the span of about ninety seconds, managed to whinge about migrants ruining the town (that's easily more than 95% white British), and make fun of me for not having one of the two locally acceptable regional accents? That, by the way, is because I had a fairly noticable speech impediment growing up that I only overcame with the help of some very talented teaching assistants (a job you may or may not consider utter woke nonsense), right before I headed off to secondary school. Not, as you might assume, because I'm a "posho wanker".

So, without meaning to get all Muhammed Ali about it; no middle-class person ever called me a faggot. And I'm not saying we need to exterminate anyone who doesn't have an arts or humanities degree, I'm not saying I look down my nose at anyone wearing trainers, or whatever made up bollocks you're whinging about. What I am saying is that you're not going to pull the wool over my eyes with this "oh, aren't the proles of Britain such a noble lot" bollocks. Because a lot of them a fucking cunts, and while I don't want anyone to suffer because of their socio-economic background, I'm also not going to act like we have some kind of magical working-class solidarity in which I've got their back so they've got mine, because a lot of them couldn't give a fuck about me.

Alright, I ate a load of paella (ooh, how posh of me, prawns and tomatoes and rice) in the middle of writing this and the carbs have taken the venom and energy out of me.

>>470908

Thanks for this post. Truth be told, I felt similar in the past. I've plugged this book before but it's the best description I've read of the array of conflicted feelings you get when you change class in the UK.

The problem is, I genuinely want more solidarity and latched onto working class intellectual life where it existed, but it feels like so much of it has been stamped out. People have been made to feel hopeless, even as (ironically) many things became easier.

I sometimes feel like a a bit of a class traitor when I talk about the class-correlated nastiness I grew up with as a kid -- violence as a reactional activity, outright homophobia and dolphin rape, being called a faggot for speaking a certain way, the fact I grew up in a house with four televisions but no books.

>>470914

To add to this, though, I hate to give snobbish people more ammunition to use against people like me. I would have absolutely been written off as a yob by many when I was 15.

>>470908

Good fucking grief lad. You're even worse than I thought then, you're literally Hyacintyh Bucket.

Believe me I had just as shit of a time growing up in a stagnating mining village and going to a rough school where bullying was the order of the day. It's probably the biggest reason I bounced off of education. I was clever, but how was I supposed to concentrate on school when really you just spent all day on guard in case some cunt wanted to start on you for no apparent reason?

You don't want to write them off but your attitude certainly seems to imply you think they are un-salvageable. Oh, what's that phrase... Lobster barrel... No... Hm.
>>470914

They made us read a book in year 9 IIRC called Daz 4 Zoe. At the time I thought it was shit but I've come to realise it must have been profoundly influential on my young mind. In it, the world is literally segregated, like blacks and whites used to be in America, along class lines, and there's a romance between a nice middle class girl and the scruffy charver with a heart of gold.

However, there was a character that has always stuck in my mind. He was the leader of the chav "resistance", who were sort of like, Addidas Black Panthers, and treated unambiguously as the bad guys. But part of his characterisation was being an intellectual. Used big words that the other charvers didn't. Wore glasses, even. He was portrayed as being extremely dangerous for that.

>>470848
Why is it that whenever I post about getting out of the house and meeting people you lot get awful quiet?

>>470917
My friend met her boyfriend at a drawing class, so you might be onto a winner. Personally, I wouldn't want to learn either painting or pottery, because I don't want my house to be full of my shitty paintings or childlike mugs and wonky saucers. I'd rather have a hobby that doesn't give me a pile of litter for my shelves.

There were four, possibly five, rap songs during the ~40 minutes I listened to 6Music this morning.

>>470916
>I was clever
Past tense, noted.

You didn't even address my ultimate point which is why should I go out of my way to make out like some cunt, who would gladly hit me with a car given half a chance, is also my beloved class ally who would perish alongside me on the barricades if the chips were down? Despite there being no indication of that being the case? At a certain point, it's got to go both ways, but it seems like you're blinkered by your own strangely paternalistic attitude towards anyone within a certain salary band.

>You don't want to write them off but your attitude certainly seems to imply you think they are un-salvageable.
Who's "them"? I'm fucking them, you thick cunt. I'm not in any position to do fuck all, but you're acting like I'm some kind of class traitor because I don't have a deep, near spiritual, respect for blokes who start drinking before noon and still call people "poofs". Despite the fact that I'm probably worse off than these bastards! You're the fucking class traitor, because apparently I'm not ignorant enough for your blind adulation.

>>470921
Yes, but was it passé and about how nice it is to be nice?

>>470921

I'm not intelligent enough to closely follow the conversation but I'm getting the impression that some of you think poor means 'bad person'. That's not the reality of my situation, at least. Yeah there're cunts around but enough of us just exist as regular people with barely a touch of anti-socialism or whatever you want to call it.
The most valuable thing I can barely afford at the moment is privacy.

No rap music on the way home. They did play the new song by Turnstile, which I'm quite partial to. I think I posted it on /beat/ the other week.

>>470925

> but I'm getting the impression that some of you think poor means 'bad person'.

Maybe it's still kind of a Dickensian-era thing. When poverty was seen as a character flaw or as the result of a lack of good character. Because an upstanding man of character would never allow himself to become poor. And where poorhouses were there to teach the common man or person the value of hard graft to better their character.

Watching Nords.

Today hasn't been as hot as I was expecting.

Can I have a job? One of you pair must be an employer by now.

>>470965
I went on a long walk at midday. I left in light rain, and that was on and off until I'd been out for four hours, and then the last hour-and-a-half was almost clear sunshine, and that really took it out of me.

Future forcasts are all peaking around 20°, which is probably for the best.

Still no thunderstorm. It tried raining a bit earlier, and on the way back down the A19 I saw a few spots of big dirty dark clouds that looked promising. But right now it's just humid and muggy.

Goes back down to the low 20s tomorrow, so that will feel arctic after the last few days, but I want the fucking thunderstorm.

>>470938

My feeling is that there's a straightfoward bit of resentment going on, I can certainly feel it from one or two of these lads. They were mistreated as a youth growing up around rough and belligerent poor people, and that was no small part of their incentive to work hard at "getting out", they are going to hold onto mainly negative feelings towards that environment.

But to me that's no different to a lad who has had a consistent series of negative, frustrating, humiliating experiences with women ending up a chronic. It's understandable how your experiences might shape your views but that doesn't automatically make them valid. We would recognise that were it race or gender, but of course, class is the one acceptable form of discrimination.

>>470968

I've not been the most vocal lad about this, I'm the one who posted the book recommendation. The best I can say is that I feel ... conflicted about my background. It's not that I judge people who are from working class backgrounds. Quite the opposite, I miss them, because I barely fucking see them anymore.

At the same time, I can't exactly look back with nostalgia, either. I do think that there's a certain hopelessness that infects people. Some get depressed, others get nasty. It feels like an undiagnosed sickness.

But I'm getting a bit woo-woo. I am at least aware of my resentment, and I do my best to take people as they come.