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>> No. 22298 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 9:07 pm
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I know I'm a bit late to the party but I'm considering getting either a PS4 or an Xbox One. I'm assuming these days there's little difference between the two other than having the odd exclusive title. I've seen a few Xbox One bundles in the region of £150 - £200 so I'll probably go for one of them as they're cheaper than what I've seen for the PS4.

Have I left it too late, as in are the next generation of consoles expected any day now? Also, which games do you lads recommend? I'm a bit out of the loop with gaming.
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>> No. 22300 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 9:19 pm
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Like >>22299 says it sort of depends on the exclusives. You'll have a good time with either one, but the PS4 is definitely a bit better performance wise. I feel like the Xbone has a more fleshed out marketplace, so you can buy and install a fuck tonne of games, including 360 games. Might be a good way to catch up if you're that out of the loop. Playstation also offers this, but to me it doesn't feel nearly as expansive a library.

Honestly if you're coming at it from a fairly fresh perspective, don't have a tonne of online mates on one platform or the other, just pull up a list of exclusives and see which you fancy. If all else fails, flip a coin - you're not likely to be disappointing with either.

Sorry if that doesn't really help.
>> No. 22301 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 9:23 pm
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>>22300
>a tonne of online mates on one platform

Yeah this is a useful consideration.
>> No. 22302 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 9:30 pm
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>>22299>>22300
To be honest, there's not really any specific games I'm looking for. The Xbox ones seem slightly better, but nothing that I'm overly excited about that makes it a clear winner.

The advantage the PS4 has is that I've owned all three previous generations whereas I've never had an Xbox of any kind.

I'm not in a rush, so I might wait until December and get whichever one I see first on HUKD when the likes of Tesco and Asda have reduced their old bundles (usually the previous version of FIFA) to around £100.
>> No. 22303 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 9:41 pm
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>>22302

>The advantage the PS4 has is that I've owned all three previous generations

This is a reasonable metric, especially considering the controller basically hasn't changed. The Xbox controller is still great and I'm sure you'll get used to it, mind.

One thing I'll say in favour of the Xbox is that it has accidentally become my home media centre just because it does everything in one place in a relatively seamless way. Like you say, whichever is a better deal when you come to buy is probably the best bet. Don't forget the updated versions of each, the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X - they may be a nice price around then too, and offer a bit more oomph (and 4k)
>> No. 22304 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:07 pm
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Consider buying/building a modest gaming PC for £500 instead. It'll probably be cheaper over the long run considering you're not paying an extra £50 a year to play multiplayer, and the games are much cheaper. I would also argue that amount of worthwhile exclusives for the PC makes the PS4 and Xbox libraries look like a joke.
>> No. 22305 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:14 pm
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>>22304
Crypto mining has made this practically impossible without using second hand parts.
>> No. 22306 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:24 pm
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>>22305
To say nothing of the endless updates, tweaking Windows and device driver bullshit. Sure, the games look much better and there are exclusives, but I like to turn the console on and be playing games about 20 seconds later.
>> No. 22307 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:28 pm
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Can I just politely stop the console vs PC argument here before it starts. I can sense a very tedious avalanche otherwise.
>> No. 22308 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:31 pm
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>>22307
THE OP KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING WHEN HE STARTED THIS.
>> No. 22309 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:38 pm
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>>22308

Tch. Fine.

WHY BUY A DRMBOX FROM MICRO$OFT OR $ONY WHEN YOU CAN BUILD THE WORLD'S BEST GAMING PLATFORM YOURSELF?!
>> No. 22310 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 10:47 pm
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Crypto has made me consider buying a console for the first time in 10 years. Samsung has completely fucked the RAM market too, because there aren't enough forges to meet demand for the phone and desktop market. Why crypto go away, lads?
>> No. 22311 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 11:03 pm
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>>22310

I hadn't even realised it got this bad.

I actually have a BNIB 1080 Ti knocking about in the house somewhere (don't ask) - it's literally doubled in value since I bought it. Hilariously for the average shmuck it'd have been a better investment to buy all the parts for a bitcoin rig a year ago then sell them today than it would have been to actually mine with it.
>> No. 22312 Anonymous
24th March 2018
Saturday 11:53 pm
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They're both much of a muchness. The PS4 has a slightly better selection of exclusive titles, but it's nothing major.

Microsoft and Sony have recently released updated versions of their consoles, but the only real difference is beefed up graphics to provide 4k support. They're both committed to supporting their current-gen consoles for the foreseeable future.

If you're out of the loop on games, check out Metacritic. They have aggregated review scores for game reviews. The scores aren't infallible, but the top rated games chart is a good starting point if you want to catch up on the best titles.

http://www.metacritic.com/game

Do bear in mind that on either console, you'll need to pay an annual subscription of about £40 to play online multiplayer games.
>> No. 22313 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 12:47 am
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>>22312
>Do bear in mind that on either console, you'll need to pay an annual subscription of about £40 to play online multiplayer games.

You wot?
>> No. 22314 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 12:52 am
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>>22313

Yeah, you have to subscribe to either PSNetwork or Xbox live to play online. You do get a free half-decent game or two a month as part of that subscription on both platforms, which balances it out for me but yeah, you still have to pay them.

Ostensibly it's to pay for the multiplayer hosting needed for online, but....
>> No. 22315 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 12:59 am
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>>22314
PSnetwork is fine actually. You get a couple of shit games per month, maybe a couple of them per year are good.

Lots of games actually still do multiplayer just fine without it, they just don't shout too loud about it.
>> No. 22316 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 2:05 am
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>>22315

Xbox live gold is the same, and I've actually got some good games out of it (there's also discounts in the marketplace I believe)

It used to be one Xbone game and one 360 game a month, it appears to have moved to two Xbone games a month now. If you get one game you might have otherwise bought for 30 quid out if the 24 a year, you've broke even anyway.

I seem to remember on the 360 you had to pay for it even to use netflix. Dark times.
>> No. 22317 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:48 am
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>>22316
Another thing you can do on xbox is share one account with two consoles, allowing game library to carry over and effectively making it possible to buy one digital copy of a game for two consoles. Via account transfer and 'home xbox' feature if anyone is interested.

With a bit more effort you can also buy from different regions for cheaper still.

The digital games at full price are extortionate otherwise.
>> No. 22318 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 10:20 am
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>>22317

>The digital games at full price are extortionate otherwise.

I could never quite work out why they're more expensive than the physical copies. I'm sure there's plenty of valid business reasons, I just don't know what they are.

I'm fully invested in digital games, mind, I think I own about three game disks now and 50+ digital. It just means I have to wait a few months to play things, but that's more than okay.
>> No. 22319 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 3:16 pm
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>>22318
Charging less for games encourages people to pay less. Literally all it is. Whoever said "digital distribution will pass savings onto the customer" was shot for it, I have no doubt.
>> No. 22320 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 3:23 pm
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>>22319

Maybe I'm an edge case but if the digital versions were £48 like the physical release copies, I'd probably buy a load more at full price - I might even pre-order, which is their ultimate goal. But as it stands the digital releases are at £54.99. And I don't really want the disk copies so I wait a few months and they end up only getting maybe £30 out of me.

What is that extra 7 quid for?
>> No. 22321 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 4:45 pm
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I have both, and the PS4 gets a lot more use. Multiplatform games tend to run better on basic PS4 compared to basic Xbox One, and PS4 has a lot more worthwhile exclusives than Xbox One, particularly Japanese games.
>> No. 22322 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 5:48 pm
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>>22321
I've somehow managed to avoid either without even having to upgrade my rig. My 290X is still chugging away, but it's starting to struggle in recent months and I'm worried about Cyberpunk being able to run at all. The crypto bubble isn't going to pop in time, I don't think.
>> No. 22323 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:15 pm
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>>22304
I have a PC, I suppose I could get something like Steam Link and a couple of wireless controllers but for some reason I don't find it as chilled out as console gaming.
>> No. 22324 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 11:38 pm
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If you have a 4k telly and want to watch 4k movies, get the Xbox.

If you like the look of the playstation exclusives, get the PS4.

Not really a difference between the two apart from that.

I use them equally but find myself watching more movies/TV on the xbox. It's the only way I can justify dropping all that money on the thing just to find out Halo 5 is shite. Forza is sound though.
>> No. 22325 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 6:54 am
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>>22324

The first gen Xbox one isn't 4k, is it? Only the newer (expensiver) Xbox one X.
>> No. 22326 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 5:31 pm
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Get the PS4 Pro. It's marginally more expensive than the Slim and will get you better performance. In the long run this could mean titles locked at 30fps vs 60fps (as the new God of War title is rumoured). The PS4 exclusives are without a doubt better than the XB1's, and will remain so. Japanese gaming is in a great place irght now. It's got less media bollocks than the XB1, but you wanted a console right?
>> No. 22328 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 7:28 pm
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>>22325
Xbox One S, which is the standard one now, has a 4k Blue Ray drive.
>> No. 22329 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 7:32 pm
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>>22328

Not bad then, considering the price of standalone 4k Blu-ray players.
>> No. 22334 Anonymous
30th March 2018
Friday 11:53 pm
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>>22329
And it's a plenty good enough 4k Player too. You'll only get better in proper top line videophile kit.
>> No. 22392 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 6:50 am
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Is forking out an extra £200/£300 for a PS4 Pro or XBox One X over the standard versions worth it or is it only marginal gains, especially if you don't have a 4K ultra-HD telly?
>> No. 22393 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 6:59 am
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>>22392

I don't think so. The S and PS4 do 4k anyway, 500 quid is getting close to might-as-well-buy-a-gaming-PC price range.
>> No. 22394 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 1:11 pm
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>>22393
I just upgraded my GPU. I didn't realise you can stick a new GPU in a 8.5 year old machine and have it perform at >90th percentile. I thought my CPU would hold it back and be leagues behind current developments, but no. I'm guessing games have become much more multithreaded over that time also.
>> No. 22395 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 1:15 pm
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>>22394

CPU development has been fairly lateral for a number of years now, for technical reasons I'm not clever enough to fully articulate. My laptop's about 8 years old too but the clock speeds aren't that far behind new products.
>> No. 22396 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 1:30 pm
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>>22392
Even if you don't have a 4K telly, if you care about framerates then it might be worth dropping more on a Pro/X. I think a lot of games run at around 30FPS on the standard consoles, but target around 60FPS on the enhanced consoles. Also if you're considering getting a PSVR you probably need the Pro.
>> No. 22397 Anonymous
15th June 2018
Friday 3:21 pm
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>>22394

You would notice an improvement if you upgraded it. But it's not a big enough difference to justify the several hundred quid it costs you in the end for a new board and memory too, compared to the bang for buck you get with a new graphics card.

You will probably get away with keeping that CPU until the next gen of consoles come around, which isn't going to be until the next decade. That's what I plan on doing anyway, and hopefully by then they've invented a VR headset that doesn't make you hurl your guts out too.
>> No. 22436 Anonymous
6th September 2018
Thursday 9:31 pm
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Asda are starting to reduce prices on their old Xbox bundles, including reducing the Xbox X Far Cry 5 bundles to £150 rather than by £150.
>> No. 22437 Anonymous
6th September 2018
Thursday 10:09 pm
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>>22395

I recently paid £800 for a desktop that has the same RAM and roughly the same clock speed as a desktop I bought in 2011 for less than £400 - it does seem to be a lot faster than my old one, though. I can only guess that's down to DDR4 and "more cores innit".
>> No. 22438 Anonymous
6th September 2018
Thursday 10:36 pm
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>>22437

PC hardware has got a lot more expensive over the last couple of years. It's partly the fall in the pound after the breferendum, partly a price-fixing conspiracy between Korean memory manufacturers and partly the huge increase in GPU prices due to Ethereum miners. The Ethereum bubble has burst and the US Department of Justice are suing the Korean RAM cartel, but the pound is probably only going to get weaker.

The biggest single improvement in the real-world performance of PCs has been the introduction of fast SSDs. They're orders of magnitude faster than traditional hard drives, which has a huge impact on boot times and task switching.
>> No. 22439 Anonymous
6th September 2018
Thursday 11:00 pm
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>>22395

Clock speed isn't the most important metric for processor power, it's the architecture that counts. IPC (i.e. how much it can calculate at a given clock speed) increased significantly since the Core series of CPUs were released, although the pace of change has been a lot slower than it was in the past.

The best illustration of this is probably AMD, who were lagging and pretty much a pointless purchase until last year but now with the Zen architecture and Ryzen processors they're closing the gap performance wise with Intel despite their newer processors being clocked lower than some of the old ones.

All that said I bought a Core i5 750 at the end of 2009 and it's still fine for 99% of things. Best value for money PC component I've ever bought.
>> No. 22440 Anonymous
6th September 2018
Thursday 11:43 pm
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>>22436

Bloody hell that's good. I have a first gen Xbone so I'm not really in the market for one, but it's still tempting.
>> No. 22441 Anonymous
7th September 2018
Friday 7:09 am
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>>22440
It was posted on Hot UK Deals on Wednesday evening and I think the majority of the remaining bundles around the country were subsequently snapped up by around midday yesterday. There might be some stored in the lockups where they keep the games; your best bet is to ask someone working there with a scanner to look up item 502775710870 to see if there's any in stock.

They reduced the Xbox One S bundle with Rocket League to £100 so the other discontinued bundles, like last year's FIFA and Forza, should follow shortly.
>> No. 22442 Anonymous
7th September 2018
Friday 10:38 am
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My AMD HD 7950 3GB is starting to chug, especially as I have a 1440 monitor. Any of you two know what would be my best value for money upgrade? I don't mind buying used, or a couple of generations old.
>> No. 22443 Anonymous
7th September 2018
Friday 5:15 pm
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>>22442

What's your budget?

In terms of pure FPS-per-pound, the best option is the GTX 1060 6GB. A 1050 Ti won't be a particularly significant upgrade over your HD 7950. If you want to play current AAA titles at 1440p, a GTX 1070 will probably last you a bit longer. Expect to pay about £240 for a 1060 6GB or £370 for a 1070. Those prices might drop a bit after the release of the 20-series cards on the 20th of September.

I'd be slightly wary of buying a second-hand GPU at the moment. Most of the cards on the market are being sold off by cryptocoin miners, so they will have been running 24/7 for the past year or two. Miners tend to slightly underclock their cards for efficiency reasons, but there's still a reasonable chance that the fan bearings are shagged or the thermal interface material has dried out. That's fixable if you know what you're doing, but you won't be saving a huge amount over the new price and you'll be getting a card that has had a hard life.
>> No. 22444 Anonymous
10th September 2018
Monday 4:08 am
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>>22442

You can get a R9 580 8gb new for £270 and not even have to upgrade your drivers. It's a cracking budget card.
>> No. 22445 Anonymous
10th September 2018
Monday 8:52 am
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>>22444

OcUK have the 8gb RX 580 for £240 if you don't mind getting a slightly ugly card. The RX 580 more or less matches the performance of the GTX 1060, although it draws about 10w more at idle and 60w more under load. The 580 is probably a better choice if a) you're primarily a gamer, b) your monitor supports Freesync and c) your PC has decent airflow.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-red-dragon-v2-8192mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18l-pc.html
>> No. 22446 Anonymous
10th September 2018
Monday 9:17 pm
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>>22443
Yeah, in a post-cryptocurrency world I don't think I can ever buy a second-hand graphics card again.
>> No. 22447 Anonymous
11th September 2018
Tuesday 11:33 am
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Cheers lads. My phone's just decided to shit the bed, so I'll put it on hold for now, but that OCUK rx580 looks like a decent deal.
>> No. 22449 Anonymous
14th September 2018
Friday 4:21 pm
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One of my workmates has brought a PS4 to work so the night shifts would be a tad less shite.

I can't get used to a gamepad for shit - it's just too alien for me and I get lost in all those buttons and sticks. But I have to admit that whoever had decided to add that little sensor panel to it was at least partially a genius.

Sage for off-topic.
>> No. 22450 Anonymous
15th September 2018
Saturday 12:45 am
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>>22449
It works like a track pad if you tell your computer it's a Xbox controller too. It's actually a very nice gamepad, even if the triggers are a bit small and lacking travel.

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