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|>>|| No. 22298
I know I'm a bit late to the party but I'm considering getting either a PS4 or an Xbox One. I'm assuming these days there's little difference between the two other than having the odd exclusive title. I've seen a few Xbox One bundles in the region of £150 - £200 so I'll probably go for one of them as they're cheaper than what I've seen for the PS4.
Have I left it too late, as in are the next generation of consoles expected any day now? Also, which games do you lads recommend? I'm a bit out of the loop with gaming.
|>>|| No. 22299
Depends on which games you want - there are exclusive titles on both.
Without wishing to start a religious war, PS4 won this round of the console versions - I own two.
|>>|| No. 22300
Like >>22299 says it sort of depends on the exclusives. You'll have a good time with either one, but the PS4 is definitely a bit better performance wise. I feel like the Xbone has a more fleshed out marketplace, so you can buy and install a fuck tonne of games, including 360 games. Might be a good way to catch up if you're that out of the loop. Playstation also offers this, but to me it doesn't feel nearly as expansive a library.
Honestly if you're coming at it from a fairly fresh perspective, don't have a tonne of online mates on one platform or the other, just pull up a list of exclusives and see which you fancy. If all else fails, flip a coin - you're not likely to be disappointing with either.
Sorry if that doesn't really help.
|>>|| No. 22301
>a tonne of online mates on one platform
Yeah this is a useful consideration.
|>>|| No. 22302
To be honest, there's not really any specific games I'm looking for. The Xbox ones seem slightly better, but nothing that I'm overly excited about that makes it a clear winner.
The advantage the PS4 has is that I've owned all three previous generations whereas I've never had an Xbox of any kind.
I'm not in a rush, so I might wait until December and get whichever one I see first on HUKD when the likes of Tesco and Asda have reduced their old bundles (usually the previous version of FIFA) to around £100.
|>>|| No. 22303
>The advantage the PS4 has is that I've owned all three previous generations
This is a reasonable metric, especially considering the controller basically hasn't changed. The Xbox controller is still great and I'm sure you'll get used to it, mind.
One thing I'll say in favour of the Xbox is that it has accidentally become my home media centre just because it does everything in one place in a relatively seamless way. Like you say, whichever is a better deal when you come to buy is probably the best bet. Don't forget the updated versions of each, the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X - they may be a nice price around then too, and offer a bit more oomph (and 4k)
|>>|| No. 22304
Consider buying/building a modest gaming PC for £500 instead. It'll probably be cheaper over the long run considering you're not paying an extra £50 a year to play multiplayer, and the games are much cheaper. I would also argue that amount of worthwhile exclusives for the PC makes the PS4 and Xbox libraries look like a joke.
|>>|| No. 22305
Crypto mining has made this practically impossible without using second hand parts.
|>>|| No. 22306
To say nothing of the endless updates, tweaking Windows and device driver bullshit. Sure, the games look much better and there are exclusives, but I like to turn the console on and be playing games about 20 seconds later.
|>>|| No. 22307
Can I just politely stop the console vs PC argument here before it starts. I can sense a very tedious avalanche otherwise.
|>>|| No. 22309
WHY BUY A DRMBOX FROM MICRO$OFT OR $ONY WHEN YOU CAN BUILD THE WORLD'S BEST GAMING PLATFORM YOURSELF?!
|>>|| No. 22310
Crypto has made me consider buying a console for the first time in 10 years. Samsung has completely fucked the RAM market too, because there aren't enough forges to meet demand for the phone and desktop market. Why crypto go away, lads?
|>>|| No. 22311
I hadn't even realised it got this bad.
I actually have a BNIB 1080 Ti knocking about in the house somewhere (don't ask) - it's literally doubled in value since I bought it. Hilariously for the average shmuck it'd have been a better investment to buy all the parts for a bitcoin rig a year ago then sell them today than it would have been to actually mine with it.
|>>|| No. 22312
They're both much of a muchness. The PS4 has a slightly better selection of exclusive titles, but it's nothing major.
Microsoft and Sony have recently released updated versions of their consoles, but the only real difference is beefed up graphics to provide 4k support. They're both committed to supporting their current-gen consoles for the foreseeable future.
If you're out of the loop on games, check out Metacritic. They have aggregated review scores for game reviews. The scores aren't infallible, but the top rated games chart is a good starting point if you want to catch up on the best titles.
Do bear in mind that on either console, you'll need to pay an annual subscription of about £40 to play online multiplayer games.
|>>|| No. 22313
>Do bear in mind that on either console, you'll need to pay an annual subscription of about £40 to play online multiplayer games.
|>>|| No. 22314
Yeah, you have to subscribe to either PSNetwork or Xbox live to play online. You do get a free half-decent game or two a month as part of that subscription on both platforms, which balances it out for me but yeah, you still have to pay them.
Ostensibly it's to pay for the multiplayer hosting needed for online, but....
|>>|| No. 22315
PSnetwork is fine actually. You get a couple of shit games per month, maybe a couple of them per year are good.
Lots of games actually still do multiplayer just fine without it, they just don't shout too loud about it.
|>>|| No. 22316
Xbox live gold is the same, and I've actually got some good games out of it (there's also discounts in the marketplace I believe)
It used to be one Xbone game and one 360 game a month, it appears to have moved to two Xbone games a month now. If you get one game you might have otherwise bought for 30 quid out if the 24 a year, you've broke even anyway.
I seem to remember on the 360 you had to pay for it even to use netflix. Dark times.
|>>|| No. 22317
Another thing you can do on xbox is share one account with two consoles, allowing game library to carry over and effectively making it possible to buy one digital copy of a game for two consoles. Via account transfer and 'home xbox' feature if anyone is interested.
With a bit more effort you can also buy from different regions for cheaper still.
The digital games at full price are extortionate otherwise.
|>>|| No. 22318
>The digital games at full price are extortionate otherwise.
I could never quite work out why they're more expensive than the physical copies. I'm sure there's plenty of valid business reasons, I just don't know what they are.
I'm fully invested in digital games, mind, I think I own about three game disks now and 50+ digital. It just means I have to wait a few months to play things, but that's more than okay.
|>>|| No. 22319
Charging less for games encourages people to pay less. Literally all it is. Whoever said "digital distribution will pass savings onto the customer" was shot for it, I have no doubt.
|>>|| No. 22320
Maybe I'm an edge case but if the digital versions were £48 like the physical release copies, I'd probably buy a load more at full price - I might even pre-order, which is their ultimate goal. But as it stands the digital releases are at £54.99. And I don't really want the disk copies so I wait a few months and they end up only getting maybe £30 out of me.
What is that extra 7 quid for?
|>>|| No. 22321
I have both, and the PS4 gets a lot more use. Multiplatform games tend to run better on basic PS4 compared to basic Xbox One, and PS4 has a lot more worthwhile exclusives than Xbox One, particularly Japanese games.
|>>|| No. 22322
I've somehow managed to avoid either without even having to upgrade my rig. My 290X is still chugging away, but it's starting to struggle in recent months and I'm worried about Cyberpunk being able to run at all. The crypto bubble isn't going to pop in time, I don't think.
|>>|| No. 22323
I have a PC, I suppose I could get something like Steam Link and a couple of wireless controllers but for some reason I don't find it as chilled out as console gaming.
|>>|| No. 22324
If you have a 4k telly and want to watch 4k movies, get the Xbox.
If you like the look of the playstation exclusives, get the PS4.
Not really a difference between the two apart from that.
I use them equally but find myself watching more movies/TV on the xbox. It's the only way I can justify dropping all that money on the thing just to find out Halo 5 is shite. Forza is sound though.
|>>|| No. 22325
The first gen Xbox one isn't 4k, is it? Only the newer (expensiver) Xbox one X.
|>>|| No. 22326
Get the PS4 Pro. It's marginally more expensive than the Slim and will get you better performance. In the long run this could mean titles locked at 30fps vs 60fps (as the new God of War title is rumoured). The PS4 exclusives are without a doubt better than the XB1's, and will remain so. Japanese gaming is in a great place irght now. It's got less media bollocks than the XB1, but you wanted a console right?
|>>|| No. 22334
And it's a plenty good enough 4k Player too. You'll only get better in proper top line videophile kit.
|>>|| No. 22392
Is forking out an extra £200/£300 for a PS4 Pro or XBox One X over the standard versions worth it or is it only marginal gains, especially if you don't have a 4K ultra-HD telly?
|>>|| No. 22393
I don't think so. The S and PS4 do 4k anyway, 500 quid is getting close to might-as-well-buy-a-gaming-PC price range.
|>>|| No. 22394
I just upgraded my GPU. I didn't realise you can stick a new GPU in a 8.5 year old machine and have it perform at >90th percentile. I thought my CPU would hold it back and be leagues behind current developments, but no. I'm guessing games have become much more multithreaded over that time also.
|>>|| No. 22395
CPU development has been fairly lateral for a number of years now, for technical reasons I'm not clever enough to fully articulate. My laptop's about 8 years old too but the clock speeds aren't that far behind new products.
|>>|| No. 22396
Even if you don't have a 4K telly, if you care about framerates then it might be worth dropping more on a Pro/X. I think a lot of games run at around 30FPS on the standard consoles, but target around 60FPS on the enhanced consoles. Also if you're considering getting a PSVR you probably need the Pro.
|>>|| No. 22397
You would notice an improvement if you upgraded it. But it's not a big enough difference to justify the several hundred quid it costs you in the end for a new board and memory too, compared to the bang for buck you get with a new graphics card.
You will probably get away with keeping that CPU until the next gen of consoles come around, which isn't going to be until the next decade. That's what I plan on doing anyway, and hopefully by then they've invented a VR headset that doesn't make you hurl your guts out too.
|>>|| No. 22436
Asda are starting to reduce prices on their old Xbox bundles, including reducing the Xbox X Far Cry 5 bundles to £150 rather than by £150.
|>>|| No. 22437
I recently paid £800 for a desktop that has the same RAM and roughly the same clock speed as a desktop I bought in 2011 for less than £400 - it does seem to be a lot faster than my old one, though. I can only guess that's down to DDR4 and "more cores innit".
|>>|| No. 22438
PC hardware has got a lot more expensive over the last couple of years. It's partly the fall in the pound after the breferendum, partly a price-fixing conspiracy between Korean memory manufacturers and partly the huge increase in GPU prices due to Ethereum miners. The Ethereum bubble has burst and the US Department of Justice are suing the Korean RAM cartel, but the pound is probably only going to get weaker.
The biggest single improvement in the real-world performance of PCs has been the introduction of fast SSDs. They're orders of magnitude faster than traditional hard drives, which has a huge impact on boot times and task switching.
|>>|| No. 22439
Clock speed isn't the most important metric for processor power, it's the architecture that counts. IPC (i.e. how much it can calculate at a given clock speed) increased significantly since the Core series of CPUs were released, although the pace of change has been a lot slower than it was in the past.
The best illustration of this is probably AMD, who were lagging and pretty much a pointless purchase until last year but now with the Zen architecture and Ryzen processors they're closing the gap performance wise with Intel despite their newer processors being clocked lower than some of the old ones.
All that said I bought a Core i5 750 at the end of 2009 and it's still fine for 99% of things. Best value for money PC component I've ever bought.
|>>|| No. 22440
Bloody hell that's good. I have a first gen Xbone so I'm not really in the market for one, but it's still tempting.
|>>|| No. 22441
It was posted on Hot UK Deals on Wednesday evening and I think the majority of the remaining bundles around the country were subsequently snapped up by around midday yesterday. There might be some stored in the lockups where they keep the games; your best bet is to ask someone working there with a scanner to look up item 502775710870 to see if there's any in stock.
They reduced the Xbox One S bundle with Rocket League to £100 so the other discontinued bundles, like last year's FIFA and Forza, should follow shortly.
|>>|| No. 22442
My AMD HD 7950 3GB is starting to chug, especially as I have a 1440 monitor. Any of you two know what would be my best value for money upgrade? I don't mind buying used, or a couple of generations old.
|>>|| No. 22443
What's your budget?
In terms of pure FPS-per-pound, the best option is the GTX 1060 6GB. A 1050 Ti won't be a particularly significant upgrade over your HD 7950. If you want to play current AAA titles at 1440p, a GTX 1070 will probably last you a bit longer. Expect to pay about £240 for a 1060 6GB or £370 for a 1070. Those prices might drop a bit after the release of the 20-series cards on the 20th of September.
I'd be slightly wary of buying a second-hand GPU at the moment. Most of the cards on the market are being sold off by cryptocoin miners, so they will have been running 24/7 for the past year or two. Miners tend to slightly underclock their cards for efficiency reasons, but there's still a reasonable chance that the fan bearings are shagged or the thermal interface material has dried out. That's fixable if you know what you're doing, but you won't be saving a huge amount over the new price and you'll be getting a card that has had a hard life.
|>>|| No. 22444
You can get a R9 580 8gb new for £270 and not even have to upgrade your drivers. It's a cracking budget card.
|>>|| No. 22446
Yeah, in a post-cryptocurrency world I don't think I can ever buy a second-hand graphics card again.
|>>|| No. 22449
One of my workmates has brought a PS4 to work so the night shifts would be a tad less shite.
I can't get used to a gamepad for shit - it's just too alien for me and I get lost in all those buttons and sticks. But I have to admit that whoever had decided to add that little sensor panel to it was at least partially a genius.
Sage for off-topic.
|>>|| No. 22450
It works like a track pad if you tell your computer it's a Xbox controller too. It's actually a very nice gamepad, even if the triggers are a bit small and lacking travel.
|>>|| No. 22482
Also I really appreciate the trigger buttons or whatever they're called. Makes some GTA V missions easier where you need to maintain a certain speed.
|>>|| No. 22534
Black Friday looks like slim pickings. Tesco have an XBox S 1TB dual controller bundle for £159, but it doesn't look like there's any PS4 deals whatsoever.
|>>|| No. 22536
Apparently Tesco are doing the PS4 with RDR2 for £220. Nowhere near as good a deal as the Xbox One S offer, but it's better than nothing.
|>>|| No. 22804
The PS4 is too huge to die overnight, so the question is do you want a console now or would you rather save a few quid and get it later.
|>>|| No. 22806
You should be able to pick up a really cheap second-hand PS4 fairly soon, along with a big library of perfectly good games. If you're not a hardcore gamer, it makes a great deal of sense to deliberately stay behind the curve - you get to play exactly the same games, you just save loads of money if you don't mind waiting a bit.
|>>|| No. 22808
That's fine, it seems pretty clear that by space year 2030 no one will actually own anything, stuff will just be licensed through a handful of giant conglomerates.
I look forward to submitting my Facebook account to Amazon Prime to see if I've built up enough social credit to lease a couch. That's assuming Disney haven't had me blacklisted for what I said about the new Dumbo.
|>>|| No. 22809
>it seems pretty clear that by space year 2030 no one will actually own anything, stuff will just be licensed through a handful of giant conglomerates.
I doubt any of us have ever owned any piece of software in a very long time. It's all licensed.
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