>>24640
I've wanted to try painting AdMech for a while now, but they seem like they'd be a bit difficult to do justice, and I'm a bit shit.

>>24641
You can get by with 2 techniques. Drybrushing is the first thing and help give depth to models very simply. The Adeptus model is mainly 2 colours to stop it being flat black and red you very lightly drybrush Boltgun Metal over the black bits and Flat red over the red bits.

Shading/inkwash is the second thing. You need 2 inks for everything black and an ochre/brown. To stop the red look so flat do a 50/50 mix of brown ink with water and brush it over the flat red cloak and watch it pool into the crevices, immediately making them darker and giving shade. Anywhere you don't want ink you just dab it off while it's still wet with a kitchen towel.

once the ink is dry any areas you want to lighten up/highlight you go back to drybrushing. You choose/mix a lighter colour paint very gently and with drybrushing you hit just the edges you want to highlight. With the drybrushing you can build up layers by pressing heavily at first then going lighter in levels

I was shocked and astounded to find out my wife bought me a Blood Bowl Wood Elf team, my boy got their star player and my daughter bought me the Season 2 rulebook. It's almost as if I didn't get a confirmation email about the order from GW.

More interestingly one of my mates got me a team for a game called RumbleSlam. Which is a squad based wrestling game, which looks fun and the models are all wrestling/pop culture based. I got https://ttcombat.com/collections/rumbleslam/products/the-runic-thunder and their equivalents to star players in Blood Bowl https://ttcombat.com/collections/rumbleslam/products/ronnie-salvage .

The models mostly look good, but the amount of flashing on them was shocking. Whilst cleaning up Randy Savage the tassels snapped off and this is down to the models being 3D printed resin rather than injection moulded. So removing the supports is similar to removing a model from a sprue, but the layers of plastic can cause faults similar to finding an air bubble in an injected model. Also being spoiled from years of GW's "insert peg A into slot B" models. The Golem model is going to tricky to put together properly without it looking too static without it wanting to constantly topple. The game looks fun though and I am fondly looking forward to actually play with them all.

>>24641

Protip: an OptiVisor is like a cheat code for working on miniatures. Once your brain adjusts to the magnification, you get loads of extra detail and precision for no real effort. We're used to seeing high-resolution photos of miniatures at high magnification, but most painters don't use magnification to paint and are (unsurprisingly) disappointed with their results.

>>24644
Oh mate, agreed 1000%, they are fantastic.

I tried the fancy pants (but cheaper) ones that look like a pair of glasses, which somebody lent me and got nowhere with them. My life changed completely when I got the actual OptiVisor and now use them ALL the time when I'm doing closework, particularly electronics. They're expensive, but worth every penny. My only disappointment with them was the additional "lights kit" which doesn't really fit very well and kept falling off - I junked it and just got more powerful desk lamps instead.

>>24641

They're actually not as hard as they look. Some Skitarii and a tech priest were the first minis I painted after about 15 years of absence from the hobby, and they came out surprisingly well. I've sold them since, because the bigger issue was that they're an expensive, high model count army, but they have probably the best models GW has made in the last ten years.

Anyway here's the kitbashed sanguinary priest I posted in this thread's prior incarnation. My Guys are a bit more mental (and BRILLIANT) than your average Blood Angel. Their chapter master is called Kain and the head chaplain is called Raziel. They probably listen to Type O Negative in the dropship on the way to a battle.

Still want Orklad to post his orkz.

>>24646
Even the Mrs isn't that interested in seeing pics of my nob.

>>24647

Time to move on if she's not a fan of your little green mushroom. You deserve better.

>>24644

I've always found my hand steadiness to be the limiting factor rather than what detail I can see.

I'm happy enough with my results anyway, I know I could do these more detailed but Christ the old sisters of battle minis are a bit of a mission to get through so I've kept it simple for the squads.

>>24650

That's the weird part - your hands get steadier when you're working under magnification. It's like your brain can't tell that you're doing something very tiny because it looks big. I do a lot of extremely fine electronics work that seems absolutely impossible to the naked eye, but is remarkably straightforward at 20x magnification with a little bit of practice. I'm a clumsy bastard in any other context, I vape like a burst radiator and drink enough caffeine to give Charlie Sheen a heart attack, but I've got the right tools and techniques for the job.

There is a limit to human dexterity, but it's far finer than you might imagine; a 28mm scale miniature is huge compared to a T Gauge model train, an iPhone logic board or a mechanical watch movement.

Also: get a good painting handle and a PanaVise or a ball vise. Having a rock-solid way of holding your miniature immediately halves the amount of shake you have to deal with - more if you position it properly so you can solidly anchor your forearms.

>Also: get a good painting handle and a PanaVise or a ball vise. Having a rock-solid way of holding your miniature immediately halves the amount of shake you have to deal with - more if you position it properly so you can solidly anchor your forearms.

Or the ghetto version that I use is the top third of your standard pop bottle cut off and just blu-tack your mini onto the lid. want to get started on another model, but the one on your bottle is still wet? Just unscrew the top and attach another bottle top.

You can also use corks to stick the figure to. I used to use film canisters, but they're not a thing anymore. I just don't like paying GW for their gimmicky crap. A moldline remover for 11 quid, just use the blunt side of a craft knife.

Any fans of Gunpla? I've not long ventured into the hobby myself - what got me was a work trip to Tokyo where I went a bit schoolboy-like over the cool ones in display cabinets.

It's a lot cheaper than Games Workshop stuff (although has no competitive element) and is a lot more intricate / time consuming to make.

>>24653
One of my mates does gunpla and Revell model kits of Star wars. I can't believe he spent 85 quid on a set of clippers, but apparently the Japanese God Hand clippers are amazing.

>>24654

>Japanese God Hand clippers

I assumed that this was some sort of joke I was too dense to get, but apparently not. Goddamn those crazy Japs.

For that money, I'd just suck it up and spend the extra on an ultrasonic cutter. Those things are some sort of weird space magic.

>>24655
I've always been curious to try them, but can't imagine they are much better than my RGG clippers (which at 26 quid is already a bit ridiculous), which I love.

https://www.redgrassgames.com/precision-nippers/

>>24656

A decent review of them.

https://www.fauxhammer.com/reviews/redgrassgames-precision-nippers-review/

>>24650

Those are some very nice looking sisters m8. I think I actually like these ones better than the new ones, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

I particularly like the one in the middle left that looks like Roger Waters.

I sipped over the SOBs, but that is a mighty fine paint job, especially getting the eyes looking decent. It took me a long time to get eyes that don't look wonky or horribly blobby. Until someone told me about micron pens. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sakura-Pigma-Micron-Pigment-Fineliner/dp/B081D1JWL2/ref=psdc_201078031_t3_B07BWJ53R9

>>24659

I refuse to believe that this resemblance is merely coincidental.

Fucking Hell, I just wanted to paint a squad of Guardsmen, but now I need a further two-hundred quid in gear or I might as well not get out of bed.

>>24661
That's because you'll take your basic 2 squads of troops and 200 quids worth of tanks.

>>24661
Eh, a reasonable "helping hand" with magnification can be had for ~£10, you can use wine corks with a slit cut into on side to hold most models before attaching them to a base. Combined that does most of what the lads above are talking about well enough. To be sure, the proper tools are better but you can get more than decent table top quality with much less.

I wouldn't get the 99p special off Alibaba for sprue cutters, but pic attached has served me well enough for several years now and was nowhere near the cost of the (of course really good) options.

Also obligatory.

>>24664
Are we doing this?

>>24662

With the way the current rules are that's a recipe for losing sadly, because you need to hold objectives and as we all know, the Mobile Infantry is made for dying.

It's all about bullgryn by the looks, and then the usual compliment of Russes.

Guardsmenlad here, I don't even care about playing, I'm just painting some chaps up.

>>24667
In that case this paint set and 5 cheap brushes. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vallejo-Model-German-Uniform-Acrylic/dp/B00LCN5RHU/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=Vallejo+Paint+Sets&qid=1609032719&sr=8-13

>>24668
Here's a converter for GW paint names and army painter/ vallejo ones. https://redgrimm.github.io/paint-conversion/ In my opinion the current Citadel paints are terrible, with a real lack of pigment especially in their lighter colour shades.

>>24669
Agreed, the Vellejo paints are excellent in comparison. I'm still very happy with the Citadel washes, though, if only because the tubs they use are much more convenient and can be used without a pallete. I'm half tempted to wash out some of my Citadel empties using Vallejo ones, but I fear the Inquisition may not take kindly to that sort of heresy.

Have any of you used this paint set/brand before?

My mate swears by them but fuck me that's steep.

https://scale75.com/en/fantasy-games-range/191-fantasy-and-games-collection.html

Guess I'll post this pic of my Custodes here again, despite how shite they are. My first ever two painted models, plenty more to come. I'm looking forward to seeing progress.

I've picked up a box of the Vertus Praetors now (the bikers) which look great fun to paint, and are quite the bitch in competitive play apparently.

>>24670
I just use an old saucer as a palette for my metallics and inks. I started using a wet palette using a container I got some chow mein in from my local Chinese, a dish washing sponge and some parchment paper. As someone who can often only pains in small bursts due to family commitments, it helps a lot because it will naturally thin the paints and aids in paint mixing. The main plus is the paint doesn't dry up once the tub is sealed, so I can go back to the same paint I mixed up the day before and just use it.

Another plus with the Vallejo dropper bottles is there's less surface area open to the air once they're opened up. s you don't get the Citadel thing of having to scoop off the skin of dried up paint out of the pot before using certain paints.

>>24671
I've heard good things about them myself, but it's not that expensive for 48 paints. What you need to ask yourself is are you going to use all of them? You can do a lot with a lot with a basic set of primary colours if you're not going to go mad with what you're painting. Just think of what the palette of your army is and buy the correlating paints.

>>24674
A wet pallete is so cheap to construct I'd recommend it for anyone (dish washing sponge cut to size, parchement paper or baking paper at a push, tight sealing box). But washes in particular often don't need watering down so having them avaialable at will is quite convenient.

>>24675
Very good point. These sets are tempting if you're not sure what colour scheme you're going for, but unless you run a painting service or you really know how to mix your colours you can get away with a base layer, 3-4 coats and a few washes to do much of the heavy lifting. Using blue when you're painting Blood Ravens is going to be a rare move, for example. purple on Ultramarines is equally a dangerously Chaos choice. Tempting as it is to buy a colour spread, unless you already know you need it just buy colours as you need them.

>>24655>>24656>>24663
If you're in the market for good snips and suchlike, the Xuron ones are very good indeed. US made, better than the cheap Chinese ones, nowhere near as expensive as the very fine looking Japanese ones.

>>24668
Why would I do a thing like that?

This video is a good starting point for looking at the difference between the main paint companies, just skip the bollocks in the first 3 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ1Yb2QI1g

Bloody Hell, didn't think we'd have this many of us!

Haven't painted in a year or two
I used to be heavily into it as a teenlad but ironically once I got a job and more money I stopped doing it since I didn't have the time to put into it.
I kept painting the old squad over the years though. I still have a converted Wraithlord that I started 3-4 odd years ago but never finished, just have it's arms left to paint.
I just lost the motivation and never had the proper workspace for it, at the time I was using a chopping board as a flat surface while sitting on my bed. I got rid of my painting desk years before.

I'd like to revisit the painting side of the hobby, perhaps some HH era Ultramarines or Thousand Sons. I've kept up reading the books though, not a great fan of the direction GW went with some of the factions.

Does anyone play Age of Sigmar or have they played Fantasy? I never have, but I was playing some Total Warhammer tonight and it just made me think about it is all.

>>24682
Yeah, it's a bit embarrassing isn't it?

>>24683
Lynx Africa is an underrated primer.

>>24685

Do brownladm8s use Lynx Africa in Africa. Or is it called Lynx Witch Magic Stop Goblins.

>>24686

Sorry, thought I was on /iq

>>24684

I might start with age of sigmar but playing classic Vapires and Skeletons, which can just about fit in using the current faction books.

Bonus of going heavy on the skeleton hordes is that there are good skele models for other games priced in the region of £45 for 90 of them.
I've also got my eyes on a few monster models so I can convert a proper zombie dragon.

As for the new undead factions I like the ghosts, but the bonereapers (bone golems basically (i.e. definitely not necrons)) just don't do it for me. They're too squat and chunky.

>>24684

I'm a big Skaven fan, but I'm waiting to see if their model line gets a revamp before I take the plunge and star collecting them. Sigmar looks like a slightly less fun game than 40k to me, it is based on basically the same rules but a bit more simplified; then again it looks a fuck of a lot less hassle than the old Fantasy game, which was slow as fuck and really quite dull frankly.

The real question of the Warhammer/Hobby thread, though, lads... Snipe, from Snipe and Wib.

Would?

>>24690
Which one's which?

>>24691

I don't think there are enough pooflads here for me to be asking about the bloke although one or two of their youtube videos do show his feetsies off

>>24690

Of course. She likes Warhammer and she's got a nice little third tit, there's something for everyone here.

>>24692
Me, you and the other one jokes aside, there are at least 3 gay/bi lads on .gs and at least one who considers himself gay adjacent (how was your Christmas, Furrylad?).

>>24694
I doubt any of the gaylads play WH40K, because no one has brought up playing as Tau at all.

>>24695
I'm only gay in a straight way, but if I was going to bother putting together an actual army I think I'd make one that's super Firewarrior focused. Just a human (Tau) wave of little blokes, rather than those big gundam thingies.

>>24696

I was a Tau player as a teenlad, but they got decidedly worse for me when GW decided they were going to be the Gundam faction after all, despite them being smart enough to previously realise unwieldy walking monasteries were stupid compared to air supremacy.

They completely sidelined adding any new auxiliary races too, which was another reason I liked them.

>>24694

>how was your Christmas, Furrylad?

Funny you should mention it because that's me (the one who brought the Snipe/Wib subject up), and half the reason I fancy her is because the video on Space Wolves they did convinces me she's the kind of girl with a drawer full of tail plugs.

Wib seems like exactly the sort of lad to post here mind you so if you're reading this: Go on, lad, I'll let you have a go on my missus too.

>>24697
I also played Tau when I was a teen, long before they got the Riptide came out. Had Forgeworld battlesuits and everything but my GW had some anal rule about only being able to use models that the store sold and since they were Forgeworld stopped me using them. I just stuck with Eldar then.

I'm guessing they wanted to avoid adding more and more auxiliaries to avoid them becoming Eldar MKII where every auxiliary was good at something and shit at everything else.

It's a shame they turned away from aircraft as the titan killers and just decided every new codex they add another bigger robot.

I have very poor motivation when it comes to painting standard troops.

I'm much more enthusiastic about painting the fancy characters and elite units. The problem with this is that you need a good number of troops as the basis of your army; and over the past two or three years, while I've painted thereabouts 2000-ish points worth, I only have a single squad of basic Marines painted.

I've spent the best part of the last fortnight working on a squad of the chainsaw lads from the 9th edition box set, and it's just a chore. I really like the models but painting them just isn't fun somehow. I've got another box of basic bolter boys sat on the shelf that my missus bought me last Christmas. Not sure if they'll ever be painted.

>>24705

Every basic grunt is the hero of his own story. The infantry are what separate a good army from a great one. Little bits of weathering, battle damage and weathering all help to tell a story.

Failing that, switch to Necromunda or Kill Team.

>>24706

I did try to get my head around kill team for a while, but I really couldn't get into it. It feels far too restricted- When you're dealing with a squad of five guys, it makes intuitive sense that you'd be able to customise each of them more heavily- But you can't, it's literally just a tiny game of normal 40k. I really wanted to like it but it's hard to escape the overall feeling that it's nothing but a demo disc version of 40k proper.

I wish they'd get their shit together and just make a tabletop 40k X-Com.

>>24705
Have you considered a more elite focused army like Custodes or Deathwatch?

>>24708

It's not a matter of quantity because Space Marines are already thereabouts the second most elite army. I painted the first ten dudes about three years ago and they've been in every single battle I've had; you can get away with as few as that so technically I don't even need more other than to play larger games.

I think it's more just the perfunctory nature of troops units. There's no "phwoar I'm dead excited to get these hard-cases with their giant hammers in a battle" to motivate me, it's just that you have to have them. You have to slog through a bunch of them just so you meet the minimum requirements. After all the effort you put into them, their main purpose on the tabletop is simply to withstand a moderate amount of firepower before dying.

>>24709
At the risk of just repeating the otherlads advice, what about Knights?

>>24705

I think you should try another game not so cyclically built around shipping as many models and as expensive models as they can.

Honestly the experaince you describe is why I stopped playing GW games and never looked back. Most board games don't expect you to spend a week constructing and painting the pieces first.

>>24705

Just play WHFB 4th Ed or WH40k 2nd Ed - AKA Herohammer. You can have a 2000 point army with two squads of 10 basic troops and one Dark Elf King on a fucking dragon with magic armour, magic sword, magic amulet, magic fucking jockstrap, and the ability to cast 4 spells per turn.

>>24720

Absolutely glorious.

>>24715
>>24714

You both misunderstand, it's not that I'm looking for a different alternative (after all I have already sunk considerable effort into this one), and in the end I am always happy with the result. I just struggle with working myself up to doing it when it appears such a hurdle at first. Bit like most people feel about getting up and going to the gym at 6am- Worth it in the end but often just can't be arsed.

Painting large numbers of models is not a problem. I've got fuckloads, well over a hundred and fifty. The issue is that specifically, the ones which are left looking neglected in black primer for a year and a half, blighting the display shelf with their mere presence, are your bog standard Primaris Space Marine Bloke With A Gun. They're filler, not killer.

>>24724

What I am suggesting is that there are games that you don't have the filler models. the sunk cost argument is flawed the cost for all the models you'd ever need for most games is significantly less than a GW army sometimes a squad.

If you enjoy painting rank and files that’s a fine hobby, but apparently you don't.

>Bit like most people feel about getting up and going to the gym at 6am- Worth it in the end but often just can't be arsed.

I'd say it is the exact opposite of that, you presumably enjoy painting models but having to paint specific ones in order to play a game isn't fun, it is work, it is not something you are doing for the pleasure, and s bleeding out the joy from something that was fun.

>>24728

You're really over thinking a question that amounts to "how do I work myself up to paint this specific ten models out of the other one hundred and fifty I've already painted".

>>24714

If it really is 10 models sure, you are pissing and moaning over nothing. I've seen a lot of addicts collections and it isn't ever just 10 models.

>>24730

Actually you're right, it's twenty, but I only need to paint ten to make the list I want to run work. I can get round to the other ten if I ever lose my job or something.

I do have a pretty big stash of unbuilt sprues after buying that starter set earlier in the year, but that was just a sound investment, not a sign of addiction. A thousand points worth of models for both the armies I play for a hundred quid? I'd be mad not to. I won't have to buy another model until about 2023.

As an Ork player I had an absolute ton of models to paint up. Painting the Warboss or various cool Trukks and making conversion is fun and interesting. Painting a squad of 20 boyz is boring and potentially laborious.

Batch painting the various squads is the way to go. You do this by boiling the colour scheme down to 4 or 5 colours. If you're playing a Space Marine army this should be even easier. You just break down the painting to as doing it in steps. So base colour on all 10 models is step one. Highlights is step 2, by the time you've finished painting the last one your first model will be dry. Step 3 will be fiddly bits, shoulder pauldrons, straps etc. Step 4 metallics and step 5 ink.

The real trick is on step 3 not to get too into the weeds on doing every little nook and cranny. I would try to get as basic as possible just to get them knocked out. You need to know in advance what is going to be what colour everything is going to be and get set up to do it.

>>24732

Batch painting is the key. I've made it my mission to finish an army this year so this week I've been experimenting with some extra slow batch painting - one colour a night essentially, over six girls. Coming along nicely and I don't get burned out by painting fucking white then something else in the same session.

The key is to make it easy for you to pick up where you left off - have your painting supplies handy and easy to set up and clean away.

>>24732

>Painting the Warboss or various cool Trukks and making conversion is fun and interesting. Painting a squad of 20 boyz is boring and potentially laborious.

Exactly.

Ultimately batch painting is how I do manage to get around it, over the course of a week or two I'll tackle a squad in chunks, just doing one colour a night. Sit down and do all the little pouches brown one day, do all the little gun casings black the next, etc.

I think part of the trouble is just that with Marines, they're clean and chunky enough that you can't get away with cutting corners. It's more obvious on an individual Marine than it would be on a horde of Orks or Tyranids that you can credibly knock out in an afternoon with some washes and drybrushing. Each guy demands a neat, precise finish that sometimes I just haven't the attention span to keep up. I think that's why I prefer the characters, where I can just focus on the one model.

It's funny, I used to hate rimming five guys, but now it's the part I look forward to the most.

>>24733
>The key is to make it easy for you to pick up where you left off - have your painting supplies handy and easy to set up and clean away.

This is one of the big advantages of using a wet palette. The ability to just close the lid on it, wash your brushes and it's easy to get started again the next day.

>>24734
>I think part of the trouble is just that with Marines, they're clean and chunky enough that you can't get away with cutting corners.

I've got to disagree with that a little bit since the majority of the chapters are one solid colour with maybe a contrasting bit of colour on their shoulder pads and knees. Like a lot of the time you can get away with a dark base colour then just drybrush the entire thing a lighter shade before tidying up the wings on the chest.

Admittedly still not as easy as Tyranids where you can get away with 2 colours and just dip them in wood stain. https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dipping_Tyranids

>>24733
>The key is to make it easy for you to pick up where you left off - have your painting supplies handy and easy to set up and clean away.

This is one of the big advantages of using a wet palette. The ability to just close the lid on it, wash your brushes and it's easy to get started again the next day.

>>24734
>I think part of the trouble is just that with Marines, they're clean and chunky enough that you can't get away with cutting corners.

I've got to disagree with that a little bit since the majority of the chapters are one solid colour with maybe a contrasting bit of colour on their shoulder pads and knees. Like a lot of the time you can get away with a dark base colour then just drybrush the entire thing a lighter shade before tidying up the wings on the chest.

Admittedly still not as easy as Tyranids where you can get away with 2 colours and just dip them in wood stain. https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dipping_Tyranids

>>24735

It's going down the rabbit hole a bit, but marines become piss-easy if you learn to airbrush. You can put down the base colour perfectly in seconds and easily do shading and gradient effects.

>>24735

>Like a lot of the time you can get away with a dark base colour then just drybrush the entire thing a lighter shade before tidying up the wings on the chest.

I agree, but if you want them to look really nice it takes a bit more effort. There's a lot of steps you don't have to do, but once you know it's within your ability and you've done a few squads that way, it's hard to justify putting less effort in with the rest. That's probably just me having some degree of OCD mind you.

>>24737

I tend to feel like airbrushes are a slippery slope, I've seen lots of painters fall into the trap of starting off with base coats, and before they know it they're doing everything but edge highlights with the fucking thing, and always swear blind it's not a crutch, even though half their army looks like the side of a gypsy fair waltzer.

That said I would really like one for priming and basecoating, but I don't think it's viable to use one in my flat. Is there some kind of extractor hood contraption you can get to make them more viable in small, enclosed rooms?

Anyway here's the latest set I've done, first batch of the new year. I don't make resolutions but if I were to make one it'd be to have this full army playable by... Well, whenever covid is over.

I'm keen to see / hear what you ladm8s are upto project wise. Any interesting kitbashing? Some painting you're proud of?

>>25010

I actually haven't done much over the last couple of months, my OCD cycle has me focussed on other things at the minute. I was half way through a squad of marines and the switch flicked, simply put down the brushes and never went back to it.

I expect I'll get back to it when the weather starts turning grim again.

>>25010

I took a sudden turn from 40k to Age of Sigmar and from there to Middle Earth/Lord of the Rings because frankly I was getting bored of mass battle games and I love the old LotR designs.

The MESBG rules are actually great fun too, heroes are suitably heroic and monsters have some very fun rules and ebay is full of cheap plastic minis if you bide your time and wait for the good lots to show up. Helps that I'm doing Moria goblins, they're very splodgy single piece plastics but I like them for whatever reason. A dream to paint too as you can blast through tons in no time as they're tiny.

I'm very tempted to get some historical minis currently. Victrix have some excellent plastics going, and being historicals of course you get nearly 3 times as many minis for your money as you do from GW.

Friendly reminder to pick up your brush and get painting.

Had my first game in a LONG time today. Got absolutely blasted by his Admech but had a right laugh. Christ they're strong ATM.

I will absolutely never play Wasteland Warfare but they've started doing New Vegas minis for it now and I'm going to end up buying more than is reasonable.

>buy 1 hexfire box for 105
>not interested in TS
>sell on ebay for 59.99 with free postage
>a mercenary group of 300 autists decides to bring me down

I won him around in the end by pointing out the 4 quid 'premium' on the price he deems fair probably isn't worth sending the adeptus autistes at me.

>>25135
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FFS ebay, it's 2021, how are you still doing this?

>>25136
Data sanitation remains a hard problem.

>>25135
I kind of wonder if he has an interest in keeping the price high.

>>25135
I've noticed on his own profile he's selling a MTG for its market value (45 quid), and not 1/15th of the price of the pack it came in. Dirty scalper!

>>25135

I used to gripe and complain about warhammer quite a lot because of the absurd pricing model but I've tended to stop now as any legitimate complaints are lost in a sea of idiot complaints and people confidently asserting things that are wrong.

That and discussions about miniatures quality are very up to personal taste, even when I think I'm making a solid point about official kits just fucking nuking all the spare bits and customisation options on some new releases.
Oh no, I accidentally complained again.

The best solution I find is just to force people to play lower point games with me as competitive tournament points games are just driven by the aul moneymaking machinery making people buy new things.

>>25141
>just to force people to play lower point games
Killquads seem cool - easy access for those with a small wallet and (probably) just as fun. Fuck paying out for a whole army.

I've been on the fuck paying for a 1000 point army bandwagon for a long time. It seems as soon as an army has new codex it becomes the most powerful army. This power creep continues until a new edition is released. Only for the cycle to continue. You only have to look at how short the cycle between editions has become.

It's because of this that I am holding off on jumping on the Kill Squad train. I want to see how well supported the game is. I have got a Skaven warband for Mordheim ready to. I am just now trying to arrange a game of it.

The thing I don't like is I'd like to practice my painting on the models. But with how expensive they are, I can't exactly be wasting my money like that. As it is I'm terrified of messing up my 60 quid box of plastic.

>>25144
I wouldn't worry too much about that. The worst thing you can do is seriously damage the model putting it together. If you need to completely strip the paint off a plastic model then you can use this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B072XK43CQ/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_T3YRNDE4XK5JHWFPHWJ1

>>25145
So what, dunk them in that overnight then rinse it off? Won't it damage the finer details of the model?

>>25146
I have left models in it for about an hour rinsed them off and given them a scrub with a toothbrush. It appears to be some sort of enzyme that eats away at the paint and leaves the plastic.

>>25146
>>25145

Methylated spirits or other similarly strong alcohol solvents will work quite worry-free on plastic minis. Takes some manual scrubbing with a soft toothbrush to get all the paint off though as it seems to just dissolve the resin in acrylics leaving the paint mostly intact until you rub it.

Why bother all the harsh chemicals when regular old Dettol does the job? Works a charm.

As for ruining models by painting them badly, you've just got to take the plunge at some point. Maybe get some cheap eBay minis if you're that worried, but frankly, don't be. Cheesy thing to say, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good and all that.

The most important thing, IMO, is don't try to run before you can walk. You won't fuck anything up if you concentrate on painting neatly "inside the lines" at first, and forget all the 'Eavy Metal shit. That way, the very worst outcome is you'll have some okay looking but rather plain models, which you can then touch up later on down the line as you get better at the details.

Pic is my progress since I started the hobby up again maybe three or four years ago.

>>25150
Why bother all the harsh chemicals when regular old Dettol does the job? Works a charm.

The last time I used Dettol on some minis I bought from Ebay after soaking them overnight I only gave them a scrub and most of it didn't shift. So I left them soaking in it for the rest of the day. After I took them out they had lost some of the details on the miniature.

>>25151


The only thing it doesn't work on is spray paint, and if that was the case then it's more likely the chemicals in the paint itself are what eroded the plastic. Any regular acrylic will melt right off. If the previous owner varnished the models you will struggle, but anything strong enough to get through that will definitely fuck the plastic too.

This was the beauty of metal models- You could always just chuck them in turps or white spirit and not give a fuck.

>>25152
The models weren't varnished, but the paint had been absolutely globbed on and it was definitely a younglads first go at painting.

Whilst metal models were great for some things, they were an absolute pain when certain models were badly cast. Taking a metal file to them, or filling in gaps to get stuff to fit snug was a pain. That and stuff like a Gorkamorka DEFFKOPTA where the rotors would fall off all the damn time.

>>25152

Half my collection are still metal models for this reason, and nice metal casts feel great to play with. Positively beefy feeling in your hands.

In my head, the archetypal .gs poster is big into 40k. I wonder if it's the same for anyone else. (Along with Terry Pratchett, for some reason).

>>25160
Must just be you two. Nobody who knows me would be surprised if I spent my time painting little guys, but I don't. Shitposting here takes my few spare minutes a day.
If I won the lottery and ran out of things to build, I guess I'd get the tiny brushes out. But only after I'd built a tiny-brush-wielding robot. Because fuck painting when there's robot building to be done.
Much of my current angst is based on being too busy doing menial shitwork to have time to build machines to automate said shitwork.
Obviously, though, I rate Pratchett highly and am burning through audiobooks while driving.
Well, you asked.

>>25160
Fuck off, I'm in me shed doing manly things like planning next year's flowers.

>>25160

I've posted the most actual models in this thread and I'm not even that big into it. I get into a big painting hype once every two or three months, then I forget about it for a bit. I only actually play the game once in a blue moon.

I reckon any British nerd worth his stripes has been through Games Workshop's vices at least once, however.

>>25164

I looked at the top torrents in the physibles category (files for 3D printers) on the Pirate Bay expecting it to be all TTG minis, but the top 10 torrents are guns and dildos. Go figure.

>>25166

That's probably because 3D printing really isn't quite there in terms of YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PRIMARIS™️ SPACE MARINE™️.

It's just expensive enough to get into that it doesn't make sense if you just want to print a couple of Leman Russes, and it's just enough of a step down in detail and quality compared to the real thing that the enthusiasts turn their nose up.

3D printer fags get really defensive about this for some reason, but the truth of 3D printing is it'll always remain more of a hobby in itself than a replacement for traditional manufacturing, for the same reason the inkjet printer didn't send traditional book publishers out of business.

>>25160
Warhammer figures cost too much money and from what I hear GW can be quite anti-fun when it doesn't involve boosting the old profit margin.

>>25167
>but the truth of 3D printing is it'll always remain more of a hobby in itself than a replacement for traditional manufacturing

I'm intrigued. Everything I've read has said that 3d printing companies are a good long-term bet for investments, particularly as they're putting so much into space these days.

>>25169

It definitely has its place, but when it comes to replicating huge numbers of something by the fastest, most cost efficient method, it's not really suitable.

And not to mention the fact it only works for objects that are just shapes made out of plastic. There's an awful lot of things out there which are not just shapes made of plastic.

>>25167
>3D printer fags get really defensive about this for some reason, but the truth of 3D printing is it'll always remain more of a hobby

Glad I'm not the only one apparently mystified on what people use them for.

>>25171
I love mine, and probably print more 3D things than I do sheets of paper these days.
Things I'm designing for work, little sciency stuff, small models of bigger things I'm working on in CAD because there's nothing quite like holding a model. Repair bits for broken stuff, things that are essentially just toys.
The work stuff allows a much higher tempo of releases, no waiting for tooling and a manufacturing run, just press go. It's still not as good as a proper ABS or PC part, but it'll generally do for a while.
Places where I'd usually want an XYZ stage to move two things relative to each other, I'll mostly just print a derivative of this
https://openflexure.org/projects/microscope/
with fixtures for the things I want to move built in, rather than spending a vast amount on stages and getting fixtures machined or machining my own.
Also recently been printing blood vessels for a catheter development project, would be a right pain without 3d printing.
(I'm the chap who excitedly posted about my ultimaker in /uhu/ ages ago. I now also have a DLP resin printer, and now work for a massive company with a fuckload of 3D printing resources I can call on.)

>>25167

The technology most people think of when they hear the word "3D printing" is Fused Filament Fabrication - taking a big roll of plastic string and squeezing it out of a hot nozzle. FFF is cheap, it's fairly easy to get started with, but it's plagued with reliability issues and the print quality is pretty crap. I own an FFF printer but rarely use it, because there are just too many caveats on what can be printed.

Affordable mSLA printers hit the market a couple of years ago, which has really changed the game for miniature hobbyists. mSLA printers use UV-sensitive resin and a high-resolution LCD, which can produce parts of similar quality to injection moulding.

There's a bit of a barrier to entry because you've got to deal with some reasonably unpleasant chemicals, but once you've got the hang of things it's absolutely piss-easy to get good prints. UV resins used to be limited in their applications because of brittleness, but there are now a wide range of resins including toughened, elastic and even castable wax resin.

You can get an entry-level mSLA printer for well under £200 these days, which is practically a no-brainer if you're the kind of person who spends £60 on a box of toy soldiers or a model train. My own mSLA printer gets a lot of use and I'm planning on buying a bigger one, because it's incredibly useful to me to be able to produce dimensionally-accurate prototypes and replacement parts.

>>25169 >>25170

There are a host of industrial 3D printing technologies that produce genuinely useful parts. Broadly speaking, the marketing twats use the term "3D printing" when they're trying to rinse money from investors and "additive manufacturing" when they're trying to actually sell machines to engineers. Powder Bed Fusion machines can produce metal parts with extreme geometric complexity that would be impossible to machine using traditional processes.

Dentistry is pretty much the only field to have been truly revolutionised by 3D printing, which illustrates the uses and limitations of additive manufacturing. A denture or aligner is geometrically complex and has to be custom made for each patient, so these parts are perfectly suited for 3D printing.

3D printing is never going to replace conventional manufacturing techniques, but it can be a very useful tool for people with the skills to use it effectively and the need to make small quantities of unusual parts. There's a lot of ridiculous hype being pushed by ignorant amateurs, but bona-fide engineers are now doing useful work with 3D printers.

>>25173

>which can produce parts of similar quality to injection moulding.

They really can't though. I'm sorry, but they simply don't, that was what I was getting at- It's close, but it's just shy of being good enough.

3D printers make results comparable with most non-GW minis, but there's a reason GW are the biggest in the business and every single other miniature manufacture is still pissing about with shite resin and metal batch processes.

Their minis genuinely are on another level in terms of detail, and 3D printers haven't matched it yet. Not for £200 they haven't. Which brings me to:

>You can get an entry-level mSLA printer for well under £200 these days, which is practically a no-brainer if you're the kind of person who spends £60 on a box of toy soldiers or a model train

I mean... It's not though, is it. It's a lot of faffing about, when for the same £200 you could have bought said box of soldiers three and a bit times over. I think most people would rather just buy them. The cost saving aspect only comes into it if you want to print a full 2000+ point army, and if you're that invested in the hobby, you're probably well past the point of being a cheapskate about it.

3D printing terrain for your table, prototyping parts for conversions, or making custom weapons or what have you... That's a totally different matter. In that aspect 3D printing is a complete gift from god. But until it's literally a Star Trek style replicator that makes a fully formed, perfectly accurate Space Marine out of thin air, the dream of physical piracy is still merely that: A dream.

>>25173 There's a lot of ridiculous hype being pushed by ignorant amateurs,

3D printing is understandable magic for the masses, so you have to expect hype. I was peripherally involved in what turned out to be a pump&dump operation running in the UK with USA shares. There are a few post mortems of it on the web, everyone who could see what was going on was calling it, but they sent out enough glossy brochures to get rid of a lot of shares at a serious price before folding hard. They paid my invoices on time and in full, and I still have a box of spare 3D printer control PCBs that I'm working my way through on various projects.

>>25174

>They really can't though. I'm sorry, but they simply don't, that was what I was getting at- It's close, but it's just shy of being good enough.

Toy soldiers are not my field of expertise, but you'll need very good eyes and/or magnification to tell the difference between a good resin print and an injection moulded part. Indeed, we're now routinely using printed mould tooling in industry for short runs.

Setting aside questions of cheapskatery or piracy, an mSLA printer is just outrageously useful for anyone who makes small things. Compared to the effort that modellers put into building and painting kits, printing your own bits is pretty trivial.

>>25176

Give printing the toy soldiers a try and you'll suddenly realise what I mean. It's really not as simple as feeding the computer a file and some nice high quality models coming out. For something like whatever the fuck that is in your picture, there's no overlapped parts, no tiny little eyes or fingers or folds of clothing. There's a whole load of faffing about just to make it printable, then you've got to figure out how best to clean it up without just melting it.

Honestly I have to conclude that the people who say home 3D printers are on par with miniatures like Games Workshop makes just actually haven't actually seen the level of detail in a contemporary Warhammer model. I can only assume they are speaking from their memories of the chunky mid 90s ones, which fair play, you can match; but the stuff they've been doing over the last decade is on another level. You're not getting that out of a £200 printer.

It's worth pointing out that they do, of course, use 3D printers as part of the modern manufacturing process when they're prototyping their models from CAD designs, which is an entirely different workflow to the hand-carved figures you'd have been replicating in the 90s. But those things are much, much more expensive than what you have set up in your garage. Maybe in another decade or two home machines will be at that level, and then this conversation changes.

>>25177 Chuck us a model and I'll have a crack.
If your experience of 3D printers has been FDM (filament) printing, the UV resin printers are profoundly different. They have their own problems, sure, but they're better suited to printing things like these than even the best FDM printers.
My resin printer isn't well suited for this, though - I opted for a bigger build volume one, rather than highest resolution, so arbitrary surfaces have obvious pixels under a microscope, and look rough rather than polished to the naked eye. Since the resin can clearly manage higher resolutions than the LCD panel, I assume that a smaller LCD panel would get you all the way to 10um resolution, which counts as smooth in most worlds, or maybe better for 'polished'
You can always play post-process games with a sprayed or dipped layer of something to smooth out the prints before painting, but that's another process.

>>25178

>You can always play post-process games with a sprayed or dipped layer of something to smooth out the prints before painting, but that's another process.

The best results I have seen have done it this way, but it's still a noticeable reduction in quality compared to "real" models.

The problem is that the painting techniques you use to get a clean look rely on very sharp edges and recesses, for shading to settle in and highlights to pick out. It only takes a very, very subtle rounding of an edge to totally lose the effect.

Take this one for example. Looks perfectly fine unpainted, you can see a few rough spots, but you'd probably say "Ah well, it's good enough isn't it? You have to look closely to see." But, when you start painting it and the Nuln Oil gets in there, it's going to look like complete fucking shit.

I mean if you're a shit painter anyway you might as well knock yourself out; but when such a large part of the hobby is the pursuit of becoming a good painter, I would wager that's a significant part of the reason 3D printing isn't bigger.

>Chuck us a model and I'll have a crack

I would have pointed you to the subreddit that housed all the files, but it's recently gone under, lol. The lawyers have been on a rampage spoiling everyone's fun recently.

>>25179
good grief, tell me they don't injection mould those? I don't know where you'd start...
Some of those defects look like they may be in the (scanned?) data? But yes, it could certainly be better.
We've had some demo pieces in from people trying to sell us eyewateringly expensive printers which would trounce this - but as we're discussing £200 printers, that doesn't count.

>>25180

They're moulded as multi-part kits, but I still don't envy their toolmakers.

>>25180

For reference this is what the sprue would look like for a real one of those. The reason all the bits are in such a seemingly random order is to optimise the layout for injection moulding.

The obvious complexity here is the reason older models from the hand-made days had much simpler poses. Now that they use CAD instead, you can make whatever kind of model you like and just have the computer figure out how to slice it up.

>>25182

I really don't like these types of sprues, they're cropping up more and more and are a pig to work with for bits and converting. I don't mind monopose too much (my armies are mostly all currently old metals) but it's a bit weird seeing them revert to that style from the old more customisable stuff that was being introduced from 3rd edition or so.

The most blatant example in my mind is recently the skeleton warriors update. The old kit was possibly the finest collection of bones and ancient accessories made for tabletop, whereas the new kit builds exactly 10 specific models with an alternative weapon option (that is actually meaningless in game for some fucking bizarre reason) and nary a spare head to use on other things.

>>25183

To spell out my groggy complaining, per 10 skeletons the new kits gives you 10 spare of the weapons you didn't use and nothing else. And no musician. The fuckers.

The old kit gave you 24 various skulls, 12 spears, 13 swords, 17 shields, a banner bearer, 11 or 12 torsos
and my favourite - a trumpet musician. On the same size of sprue. Fuckin annoying losing all that goodness.

>>25183

As always with Games Workshop, every step forwards is always accompanied by two steps backwards.

They've developed a nasty habit of re-writing the rules for 40k units so that you can only give them what they come with in the box. It's usually an incredibly illogical loadout that doesn't work well in game, where normally the trick was you'd buy a couple of boxes to make a set of each.

It's hard to tell where the logic was with that kind of stuff, because it actually goes against the usual understandable "well they just want you to buy more innit" rationalisation.

>>25184
Everyone would end up buying a box or 2 of those old skeleton warriors. They were so flexible in their use that they would be used for basing models or, modding vehicles and generally sticking skulls on stuff. The new skeletons, apart from looking to be a bit bigger are a step backward in their lack of poseability.

>>25186
As a younglad I remember using a spare head and an arm or two as a skeleton 'rising up out of the ground'.

Painting a lot of oldhammer at the moment.
Some of the old sculpts are a joy to paint with GWs contrast paint range.

This is why Labour can't win elections, frankly, and I hate it.

>>25203
I am going to join the Continuity IRA.

>>25204
Which one of the eleventy squillion IRAs are they again?

>>25206
Not sure, but I intend to induce as strong an opposition as they have towards the crown towards Warhammer nerds. This really is the final indignity, I can't live in a country governed by this sort of dice rolling fiend.

>>25207
In that case, you might want to reconsider, since Continuity IRA came second-last on the initiative roll this year.

I really enjoy painting individual models but despite liking repetition (autism firmly checked) I don't get much out of re-painting the same mini over and over. Practice makes perfect, so some repetition to learn painting techniques is helpful but I could never play 'Nids for example. I should mention that I'm more of a board game person that likes painting minis than a TTG player. Battle Masters, Heroic Quest or Space Hulk for example, though I've dabbled in Infinity and by rule-of-cool bought minis for other games with limited units to paint.

I love the 40k lore, Eisenhorn is my bible, but these days I'd rather learn something new I didn't know about painting than doing more identical units.

>>25209
Bite the bullet and run a rainbow army where every model is painted in different colours

>>25210
I refuse. I like the idea, but I don't want to face an army against a try hard when I really just want to have a fun time for an hour or three. It's like having a pint with a friend v.s. the weird guy who wants to have a downing contest. Missing the point and not really welcome.

>>25209

New edition of Kill Team just came out and this time it actually seems to be good, not just potentially good but let down by some illogical shit.

I wish Kill Team had already been a thing a year or two earlier, because then I wouldn't have got invested in two massive armies, I'd have just had a team for lots of different factions.

Still the repetition has made me into a good painter I suppose. It's just a shame that it's also made me slightly weary of actually painting.

Tempted to get into AoS with a seraphon army. Though I'm worried I'll be too nervous to start painting so they'll be gathering dust under my bed like my 40K orks

Well, go on lad, you can talk to your mates on .gs about it.

What was it, did she leave you for another doctor, or was she just salty you make more money than her by painting toy soldiers on the internet? Or did she just catch you fapping to Dana Howl's onlyfans?

Either way, chin up. You were obviously batting above your weight anyway.

>>25678

After a cursory nosy it looks like he dumped her for some other GW nerd.

>>25679

He lost 7 stone, he's got the YouTube money rolling in, of course he was going to trade up. It's ironic that women are always trying to fix their partners, because one way or another it's doomed to fail.

>>25678
Looked into it on reddit, bit juicy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MidwinterMinis/comments/uq6xjj/guy_and_penny_have_announced_their_split/

This is her apparently:

https://camas.unddit.com/#{%22author%22:%22ozzborne%22,%22searchFor%22:1,%22resultSize%22:100}

>>25681

Well if what she's saying in those posts is true, then regardless of anything else, that's a pretty harsh way to end things with the mother of your twins.

But in fairness we don't know either side of the story directly, we don't know why it happened. I expect we'll see a lot of stuff saying he's a monster for doing this and painting him as the villain, and frankly I wouldn't be at all surprised because he always came off like one of those a bit too nice people to me. But for all we know, she might have been a massive raging bitch non-stop for the last three years, and he's been a saint for putting up with it this long. For all we know he found out the kids weren't even his, and he's being an absolute paragon for not dragging her through the muck. We just don't know.

Two sides to every story, especially when it comes to relationships.

>>25682

More interesting than fucking watches, innit.

>>25683
>More interesting than fucking watches, innit.
Old ladies gossiping retracted.