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>> No. 13598 Anonymous
18th November 2020
Wednesday 12:55 pm
13598 Just got 5 people sacked at work (1/3 of the firm). Feels a bit weird.
Hi gents,

Just woke up to a message from a colleague that he'd been suspended with pay, along with 4 other people including me, from our accountancy firm. He's fairly certain we're on the fast track to the sack. Excuse me if I ramble slightly.

We have a slack chat (yes, this is predictable) that I set up a few years ago, and that we got complacent about using in work outside of Microsoft Teams to coordinate, and sometimes vent about our boss. Over the years we became less careful and more vitriolic, and finally I was furloughed on a weekend and didn't go back into the office due to pandemic, leaving my work computer locked and logged on with a slack window open somewhere. Dum dum duhhhm. Everyone on it gets a call from HR warning of suspension, apart from the newest guy who gets terminated.

So, 2 of them are elated. They described it as being in a toxic relationship and suddenly having it ended for you. The 3rd guy was on the ropes with his relationship with our boss, who wasn't happy with his output and has been looking at sacking for a while, while the fourth guy is newly joined, basically trusted that he was being let into something secure, and I now feel very bad about him. We have contacts, we can provide references, so he's going to be able to get something else. Since he was so new he's been terminated for 'rude messages' apparently, officially 'misconduct'. Personally I was already looking for jobs because I've just hit my 2 year and that was my limit.

I'm about to go for a joint and buy a beer and sit watching Star Trek while it all seeps in. I've changed the password and deleted the workspace so nothing more can be collected, if anything was. I hope to god the boss has got some screenshots otherwise I might be tempted to ask for proof and be a dick about it. Anyway, he probably has so he can pass them on to HR. How does one prepare for a meeting where you know that someone you have absolutely no respect for is going to try and make you feel bad for mocking them? Also, if I'm on furlough and the HR lady is calling me on whatsapp, am I under any obligation to answer?

He's literally got 1/3 of his staff on line for the sack. He heard a few weeks ago of a woman who had £250,000 worth of client turnover and was doing the whole thing herself on Xero, so now he thinks "I have a million quid turnover, surely I can do this with 4 people", forgetting that she has dictated the client relationships and records processes from the start, whereas half our clients are builders or mechanics whose idea of good recordkeeping is to make sure that only half the crumpled receipt is covered in splotches. It's all going to end in flames for him, the remaining seniors are leaving as soon as their 2 years are up. Everyone who's been suspended is prodding at the idea of whistleblowing (our boss engages in dodgy practices) now that we have nothing to lose. Also leaving glassdoor reviews.

Anyway, I digress. I've got some jobs to look at now! Feel free to call me a twat for not practising good opsec.
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>> No. 13644 Anonymous
24th November 2020
Tuesday 1:13 pm
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>>13643
You been searching for jobs then I take it?
>> No. 13645 Anonymous
24th November 2020
Tuesday 1:29 pm
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>>13643
On the upside, when the question comes up at interview "why did you leave your last job?" you can answer "my boss was a sex pest and he fired me for helping his victims speak up".
>> No. 13646 Anonymous
25th November 2020
Wednesday 8:58 pm
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>>13645
Troublemaking little upstart trying to speak truth to power? Instant reject. Such is the way of human resources.
>> No. 13678 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 3:36 pm
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>>13644
Yeah, had a false start then figured I'd benefit from just taking Christmas off to convalesce. Starting to apply again but I'm just bricking it about the questions - I just had a voicemail from a recruitment agent saying he had work in cloud based integration, and then "How are things going at [company]?".

I want to say that I had an unaddressed HR complaint that contributed to a toxic working environment and a falling out with my boss. Does that smell bad? Should I add that I can provide more details if necessary?

Is there an equivalent of 'no comment' that's not immensely suspicious? 3 of the most senior staff at the firm will give me a reference provided the boss doesn't find out, and a dozen or so former clients would be happy to confirm my experience, so I'm feeling fairly confident in that area.

>On the upside, when the question comes up at interview "why did you leave your last job?" you can answer "my boss was a sex pest and he fired me for helping his victims speak up".

Is there a synergistic, blue skies euphemism for that? "He's a friend of Jimmy Saville?"
>> No. 13679 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 3:45 pm
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>>13678

Personally I'd just say I left because I wasn't being challenged in my work or whatever wishy washy interview answer you'd normally give. If your referees know not to mention you were fired, they never need to find out.
>> No. 13680 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 4:14 pm
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>>13678
Just tell them you were made redundant because of the rona.
>> No. 13681 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 6:19 pm
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>>13678
>Is there a synergistic, blue skies euphemism for that?

There were Cultural problems.
>> No. 13682 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 6:32 pm
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>>13679
Presumably the 'gross misconduct' doesn't need to come up then.

>>13680
This one worries me, when furlough is being handed out so freely, is it plausible that I chose to quit instead of just take the money and look for other jobs?

>>13681
That one actually works?

I've had to get a job after gross misconduct once before, when I was sacked from Crowne Plaza for making myself a sandwich in the staff canteen after work.

"Now this is very important, did you make the sandwich *before* your shift ended, or *afterwards*?"
>> No. 13683 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 7:12 pm
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>>13682
You had problems at another workplace too? Jesus, lad. You sound like a bad egg.

Usually, it is better to not mention why you were sacked, etc. If you have senior people who will give you good references, it is probably best to say you were made redundant. If you are middle management or lower, nobody will be looking deeper into it.

Try to keep the next job you get, mate.
>> No. 13684 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 8:37 pm
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>>13682

>"Now this is very important, did you make the sandwich *before* your shift ended, or *afterwards*?"

I managed kitchens for a decade and I really can't tell which is the one that's supposed to be bad. They must have really wanted rid of you.
>> No. 13685 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:14 pm
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>Usually, it is better to not mention why you were sacked, etc. If you have senior people who will give you good references, it is probably best to say you were made redundant.

Thanks mate, I appreciate the reassurance.

My eggability is debatable...I almost burned down/flooded the same bar in a 3 month period, they seemed okay with it. Then I go to a corporate bar and make myself a sandwich in the staff canteen after my shift and bam, gross misconduct. They fired the supervisor who informed on me for using the reception phone to order his taxi a couple of months and 100% non mgmt staff turnover within 6 months.

I'll take my share of the blame, especially for the fire and flood and the chat server, but for the sandwich? That's simply a difference of opinion that didn't go my way.

>Try to keep the next job you get, mate.

Cheers, I just need to pick the right one. I'm not a great lad but I'm not a proper cunt, I've worked with some amazing managers, but they're never the ones in charge :/

>>13684
'After my shift finished' was the wrong answer. Thing is I got on with people there, it was just a surprisingly tight ship and if I had any enemies I didn't know it. Supervisor thought I'd just get a light bollocking. Ah well, bigger and better.
>> No. 13686 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:20 pm
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>>13685

I'm very confused, why was making yourself a sandwich in the staff canteen an act worthy of 'gross misconduct'? Why did they object to this practice? Were they completely clear from the outset that sandwich-making was frowned upon round these parts?
>> No. 13687 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:32 pm
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>>13685
>My eggability is debatable...

How many boiled eggs can you eat in one sitting?
>> No. 13688 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:50 pm
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>>13687
This many.
>> No. 13689 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 4:50 pm
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>>13686

I'm not that lad, but Managers in Hospitality do way too much cocaine.
>> No. 13690 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 11:19 am
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>>13686
Crowne Plaza are owned by IHG and therefore seem to have quite a strict code of conduct. It was classified as 'theft', can't say fairer than that.

>>13689
It's the lifeblood of the industry to be honest. Surprised I never tried it on shift. I once did a pill at Bestival and it took me 15 minutes to make 5 mixed doubles. Only the senior staff were allowed to take the last hour of their shift off having dropped acid. Festival bartending is an interesting one.

Now I've got a phone call at 1330, references are mostly in pocket, I just need to not be a twat.
>> No. 13725 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 5:58 pm
13725 sackedlad - do HR ever second guess references?
I've been offered an unfairly good job 'subject to satisfactory references'. I've sent them the contact details of a senior employee at my sacked role who likes me, and those of the guy I've been working with since.

Will an established company second guess me, or will they just contact the references provided? The firm I left is really small, 15 staff and 2 partners. Is there a chance that they'd phone into reception or contact a partner on linkedin?

I just can't relax. Elated when I was told I was going to be given a contract, but spent all today shitting it that they might not contact my provided references. Should I be worried about that?
>> No. 13726 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 6:06 pm
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>>13725

They're just going to contact the references you gave them. It'd be thoroughly weird to go out of their way to talk to a different person. If they did that for you they'd presumably do it for everyone, and what an absolute fuck on that would be.
>> No. 13727 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 6:55 pm
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>>13725
90% of references are just confirming employment duration.
>> No. 13728 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 7:10 pm
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>>13726
Sounds reassuring, thanks.

>>13727
Okay, so probably a good idea to get in touch with my references to confirm they know how long I was employed for as well?
>> No. 13729 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 7:57 pm
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>>13728
Always polite to tell referees you've used their names. Or even, you know, ask first.
If it's a timing thing, that's what 'references available on request' is for, to avoid telling the people you're working for that you're currently banging out CVs left, right & centre.
>> No. 13730 Anonymous
18th February 2021
Thursday 11:25 pm
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>>13729
Haha, I've certainly confirmed that these people are happy to give me a reference. Did you think I hadn't even asked?

>If it's a timing thing, that's what 'references available on request'

That's what I put things out with. I had references sorted but didn't want to get anyone in hot water if my CV got back to my old job. The ones I've got are happy for me to use their work email addresses, will just say "He didn't have my permission" if an email turns up in their inbox asking about me. The old boss has monitored emails before, so it's a fair concern but yeah, should be fine.
>> No. 13731 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:02 am
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>>13730

>Did you think I hadn't even asked?

It's hard to tell with you, since you've been fired from every job you've ever had.
>> No. 13732 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:11 am
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>>13727
I've been told that even when you've been shit at your job employers tend not to give negative references because you have the right to see what they wrote and if you fail to land a job because of something they put that was inaccurate you can sue the pants off them. Is that right?
>> No. 13733 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:38 am
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>>13732

Saying something negative is potentially libellous, but saying nothing positive sends the same message.
>> No. 13734 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:50 am
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>>13733
although a lot of places apparently say nothing positive or negative and merely confirm dates and position. I don't think you can read much into that.
I'm involved in hiring at the moment and it's horrible. Trying to get someone to prove technical competence, to see if they've done the things they talk about, or just seen them done and interview well. If it was my company, I'd hire them for a short fixed contract, but it's not. 4 hour interview on Monday. Fucking great. I'm sure the candidate isn't much keener than I am.
>> No. 13735 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 12:05 pm
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>>13731
Only...4 of them? That's about 30%, could be worse. Fortunately despite being a general retard, in small bursts I'm smart and confident, so interview fairly well.

>>13733
I was wondering about emailing them from a puppet address and saying "This chap is applying for a job, what's the skinny" and seeing what they said, hopefully giving me grounds to sue them or something. Probably wont, the world isn't a soap.

>>13734
What industry necessitates such a long interview process?
>> No. 13736 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 8:02 pm
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>>13734
I don't think I took 4 hours total in process with the company I'm about to join, between all the calls with the recruiter, the panel interview and the technical exercise.

You have my sympathies.
>> No. 13737 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:03 pm
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>>13736

Like you, I don't think I've ever spent more than four our five hours total on the entire recruitment process, and not to blow my own knob but I've had some fairly serious/important roles.

Security vetting is another fucking story, but I don't count that, as it comes after the job offer.
>> No. 13738 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:40 pm
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Yeah, it's unusual. He's got to work with three small, highly technical but very broad remit teams spread across 7 time zones, and we all have to approve him (after a previous hire interviewed well but turned out to be a gimp. )
Hiring me took much less time, but my godlike skills are clear to all. Unfortunately, my skills don't include divining truth at interview. Not that I interviewed the gimp, he predated me.
I'm spending the weekend trying to come up with a couple of technical teasers for a gifted generalist.
Ah, fuck, other people have it worse. I just don't like the process of hiring people.
>> No. 13739 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 9:51 pm
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>>13738

>Unfortunately, my skills don't include divining truth at interview.

I have this skill. I can tell a wrong'un before he's even sat down. People think I'm being unreasonable when I make these judgements, but they always end up admitting I was right. The only issue with my skill is that it's definitely illegal to use.
>> No. 13740 Anonymous
19th February 2021
Friday 11:31 pm
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>>13739

Well yes, it probably would be a violation of several laws to expect the candidate to lower himself onto your tumescent penis in exchange for a job.
>> No. 13741 Anonymous
20th February 2021
Saturday 9:38 am
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>>13739
Unfortunately our sales manager really doesn't. He has the gift of the gab but I reckon he just ends up picking people he enjoys talking at rather than people who show any competence.
When the CEO gets involved with interviews though, he basically just stares people down and asks a few blunt questions that get right to the point of whether they have the smarts for the job.
>> No. 13742 Anonymous
28th February 2021
Sunday 9:27 pm
13742 How do I verify the number of sick days I've had?
Hopefully final question from this. I sent them two references, one from sacking job and one from my current role. The mate I've been working with for the past 3 months got his reference request email pretty prompt, and responded back. However my reference from the sacking job, John, didn't receive anything, and when I contacted the new job to ask if they sent my manager there anything, they responded saying "John? Sorry I'm not sure who you're talking about. Anyway, I'm just finalising your staff portal account now, you'll receive an invitation soon". This was quite confusing, since his name was the first out of the two. Maybe they just asked the guy from my current role?

I got the email back later that afternoon, with the invitation etc. So I think I'm basically in. I've been asked 'How many sick days have you had in x years'. How do they verify this? How do I? I know I've had some, but fuck knows how many. Had insomnia a couple of years back and I know I had a few days then, and again when I broke my hand, and I got sick notes both times, but I also took a few 'normal' sick days off, and again some half days and short shifts.

They've asked for my GP details, so presumably they'll be contacting them to verify official sick days, but I've got no idea how many I've had. I don't want to lie but I also don't know what level of scrutiny will be applied. Also I absolutely will want to lie if it's more than 10 because that seems a bit dodgy.

Does anyone know about this process?
>> No. 13743 Anonymous
28th February 2021
Sunday 11:14 pm
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>>13742
You say you haven't taken any. If they ask your GP for medical records they will promptly be told to fuck off.
>> No. 13744 Anonymous
28th February 2021
Sunday 11:22 pm
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>>13743
Wait, why are they even asking for your GP? That's highly irregular.
>> No. 13745 Anonymous
28th February 2021
Sunday 11:49 pm
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>>13742

>They've asked for my GP details, so presumably they'll be contacting them to verify official sick days

Sharing your medical data without your explicit consent is very illegal.
>> No. 13746 Anonymous
28th February 2021
Sunday 11:55 pm
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>>13742
>They've asked for my GP details

Does this job require a security clearance?
>> No. 13747 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 12:13 am
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>>13746

Even if it did, they still shouldn't need medical details, at least not for anything I've ever seen. If they need to verify you're fit to work it should be through a third party medical exam, rather then your entire history.
>> No. 13748 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 5:21 am
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>>13747
UKSV can request medical history if you have any background of mental illness, addiction or something else that could make you 'vulnerable'. I've not heard of an actual company doing it as well but I suppose it could happen, if say HR/security need to know to keep an eye on you in case you seem depressed. All round it's a very odd request though, I would certainly think twice about this place unless they have a good reason for it.
>> No. 13749 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 11:22 am
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>>13748

Interesting. I didn't actually know that, though to be fair I have only ever dealt with clearances up to CTC level and even then it's done through our governing body so it's probably even more opaque than when you do it directly.
>> No. 13750 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 2:19 pm
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I've checked the wording and it says "We will not contact your doctor without your prior written consent" just underneath the box asking for GP office address, so that seems above board.

>Sharing your medical data without your explicit consent is very illegal.
Reassuring. Apparently I have no faith in our privacy.

>Does this job require a security clearance?
It's just a small accounting firm.

>I would certainly think twice about this place unless they have a good reason for it.
I've checked the wording as above, so does that make it seem any better?
>> No. 13751 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 8:42 pm
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>>13750
>I've checked the wording as above, so does that make it seem any better?
Not really. Why would a small accounting firm need this information, and what level of clearance are they doing?
>> No. 13752 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 9:48 pm
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>>13750
To be honest and again, it's highly irregular. Unless you've got something else lined up though I'd probably reluctantly give them the details - they can't actually contact your GP without your consent and it's not a good time to be out of work.

Given your shit luck and personal life though I might recommend given the civil service a few applications while you wait for this all to process. Shit pay but they treat you right.
>> No. 13753 Anonymous
1st March 2021
Monday 11:21 pm
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>>13750

I work in an environment that requires security vetting, has a relatively high risk of injury and the possibility of sudden accidents, required a medical exam to check I was even fit to work, and yet my employer still did not ask for my GP's details.
>> No. 13754 Anonymous
2nd March 2021
Tuesday 12:08 am
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>>13753
Welding an Astute class are we? I know, loose lips and all that.
>> No. 13755 Anonymous
2nd March 2021
Tuesday 12:21 am
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>>13754

Wrong end of the altimeter.
>> No. 13756 Anonymous
2nd March 2021
Tuesday 1:04 am
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>>13755
Space ship?
>> No. 13757 Anonymous
2nd March 2021
Tuesday 1:26 am
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>>13756

Moonraker.
>> No. 13758 Anonymous
2nd March 2021
Tuesday 3:59 am
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>>13754

A fiver says it's airportlad.

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