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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Applying for JSA links
http://pastebin.com/5vJCh4HQ
http://www.urban75.com/Action/Jsa/jsa2.html
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 12781 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>12780
You're confusing collisions with preimage attacks.
>> No. 12782 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>12773
>100 meters
20, lad. Tell them you can't walk more than 20. Trust me.
>> No. 12783 Anonymous
8th December 2018
Saturday 10:12 am
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>>12782

No problem, if I stay 2 days without taking 'prol and 'mide I am unable to walk 20 meters without gasping for air.
>> No. 13283 Anonymous
16th September 2019
Monday 6:23 am
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How long is a "month's notice"?
Is it 28 days/4 weeks or if I hand my notice in on the 5th, I'm expected to be there till the 5th the next month?
>> No. 13285 Anonymous
16th September 2019
Monday 6:42 am
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>>13283
Write the date you want to leave on your notice as 28 days from the day you hand it in. Let them argue if they want to.
>> No. 13287 Anonymous
16th September 2019
Monday 10:28 am
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>>13283

Most likely a working month, so four weeks. If they meant a calendar month everyone would just wait until February to quit.
>> No. 13324 Anonymous
28th November 2019
Thursday 3:27 am
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I think I've slipped through the cracks of the Universal credit system. Still got the income but I've not had to go in for a meeting in months and no sanctions. Surprising incompetence really. During the time it's been going on I've landed a full time job in a new city, starting in the new year, not sure if I should contact them and tell them about it now or wait until I start. JC+ did nothing to help me look anyway they just kept tabs on me while I did. Are there any pitfalls of telling them? I mean, I broke the contract by not posting 15 job applications on their journal every week, but I landed a job anyway, so surely that evens us out...
>> No. 13325 Anonymous
28th November 2019
Thursday 3:48 am
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>>13324
Man, they don't give a shit, just tell them. They can mark it up as a win on their system.
>> No. 13336 Anonymous
21st December 2019
Saturday 11:29 pm
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>>13324
Difficult here. They might demand cash back for breaking your contract. I suppose you could just tell them you want to end the claim for personal reasons without informing them of the job, but.. things might get complicated here.
>> No. 13338 Anonymous
22nd December 2019
Sunday 1:08 am
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>>13324
That money is earmarked for the poorest in our society. You have a moral duty not to claim it if you're self-sufficient.
>> No. 13507 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 12:12 pm
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This is a bit ridiculous isn't it? Penalising people with degrees.

Is it worth just lying on my CV and saying I don't have a degree? Anyway they can find out? What would be the best way to do it?
>> No. 13508 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 1:36 pm
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>>13507

Is it an apprenticeship or vocational scheme? In which case they only get funding for providing education to people who don't already have it.
>> No. 13509 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 3:52 pm
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>>13507

Would you turn up at a food bank and lie when your cupboards at home were full?
>> No. 13510 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 8:46 pm
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>>13507
I don't think it is ridiculous when their stated mission is to help people without degrees - why should you jump the queue when you've already had that opportunity?
>> No. 13768 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 12:22 am
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>>13507 Yes if you have a degree then you can't do an apprenticeship.
>> No. 14057 Anonymous
3rd October 2021
Sunday 8:01 pm
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I can't seem to find how much NI I need to pay to qualify for JSA. In the last year I paid NI for 7 months of work, but they are my only contributions. Not sure if that is enough.
>> No. 14245 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 6:17 pm
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>>14057
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-jobseekers-allowance

This implies to me that any Class 1 credits at all are sufficient.
>> No. 14386 Anonymous
4th April 2022
Monday 7:42 pm
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Lads, I need to vent a bit so excuse me if this is the wrong thread for it.

I was offered a job, they sent me the hours and start date through email and I was fine with them. No yet contract since they'd give me it on my 1st day (which was today)
I've just come back from my 1st day and I'm still yet to see my contract. I didn't even see anyone from HR and no fire exits shown to me either.
To make matters worse the hours I was happy to work were apparently a typo and I'd have to start an hour earlier which completely fucks me since I can't make it at that time. They told me this via email on my way home, not when I apparently turned up 1 hour late. No one questioned me as to why I was so late. I'll be heading in tomorrow to tell them to go fuck themselves.

I've told the Job centre about them fucking me around but not that I'm "quitting" despite not even seeing or signing a contract. I've told them I'll try to negotiate the hours I originally thought I'd be working but also let them know that I'm aware I could be sanctioned for possibly refusing to accept a job offer. I have my reasons which I'll tell them when prompted.

The sanctions don't bother me much to be honest but does anyone know how long they might last for? Can I just take myself of UC during that duration and make a new claim when that time would be up?

Thanks lads
>> No. 14387 Anonymous
4th April 2022
Monday 9:11 pm
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>>14386

>The sanctions don't bother me much to be honest but does anyone know how long they might last for? Can I just take myself of UC during that duration and make a new claim when that time would be up?

Refusing to accept a job or leaving a job without good reason is a high-level sanction, which would normally last 91 days.

If you're sanctioned, you should make a note in your journal asking for a "mandatory reconsideration". This is your first level of appeal and will go to a supervisor.

The rulebook for Universal Credit is a series of documents called "Advice for Decision Makers". The relevant chapters are available at the links below. I would particularly draw your attention to K2232 (p.81, Chapter K2: Good Reason):

claimants may have good reason if
1. they genuinely did not know, or were mistaken, about the nature or conditions of the employment (other than pay) when they accepted it and left after a fair trial


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/843715/admk1.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046460/adm-k2.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/991076/admk3.pdf
>> No. 14388 Anonymous
5th April 2022
Tuesday 12:48 am
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>>14386
Don't tell the Job Centre about a job offer so quickly next time.

And definitely don't ever tell them words to the effect "I'm prepared to accept a sanction".
>> No. 14389 Anonymous
5th April 2022
Tuesday 1:10 am
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>>14387
>>14388
Is there a general guide of doley do's and don'ts for those who don't want to be forced into a job and who wish to remain gentlemen of leisure?
>> No. 14393 Anonymous
13th April 2022
Wednesday 5:38 pm
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>>14389
Be disabled, then they will hound you to see if you are still disabled instead.

It's not simple to live a life on Bennys like it used to be, when you had to write 2 things in your book and that would do for a fortnight.
>> No. 14394 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 11:24 am
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Are DLA, JSA, HB etc claims managed by seperate counties? I want to explore moving around the country, settling here and there for a year or two, but my benefits were hard won and I don't really want to go through that again.

FYI I have no intention of using false ID - i realise how suspect the question sounds. Let it be said I'm simply trying to break from my sheltered life and experience more of what the UK has to offer.
>> No. 14395 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 2:43 pm
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>>14394
Surely you're one of the last holdouts on DLA and will be losing it soon anyway.
>> No. 14396 Anonymous
14th April 2022
Thursday 2:46 pm
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>>14395
Ehhh. PIP:DLA is still lingering at 27:13. Looks like the migration stalled with Covid with more people claiming disability overall.
>> No. 14678 Anonymous
11th February 2023
Saturday 11:50 pm
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Nobody on Bennies anymore?
>> No. 14679 Anonymous
12th February 2023
Sunday 8:08 pm
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>>14678
Still here, 7 years since my first post in this thread. Done nothing notable in that time. My ESA claim was changed a few years ago from 'work related activity' to whatever the non-apointment one is called. Still havn't changed over to UC.
>> No. 14795 Anonymous
27th September 2023
Wednesday 9:52 pm
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>>14679
Congrats, I moved along but two of my friends are now on ESA. Both for good reasons.

Bennies helped me a lot to get on my feet, I now pay my fair share. I now pay more in income tax than most earn in income, and that's a privilege. IT can really be elevating.
>> No. 14867 Anonymous
27th December 2023
Wednesday 12:03 am
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>>462105
>>462108
Alright so following a Benefits Office request for review of my housing benefit claim, taking 2 hours to fill in the form online only to find the submit application button doesn't work, I decided to let my HB claim lapse.
I've calculated that I could have excess of £2600 per year after rent and council tax, leaving £200 per month for smaller expenses such as food and electric.

Does this sound reasonable? I'm not too bothered about living minimally. I can't really remember the last time I had a large unexpected expediture.

As much as I hate the thought of new years resolutions, this might actually be the start of a good direction for my life. It's quite exciting to take personal finances under my direct control. Who knows, maybe next year I could think about coming off of long term ESA.
>> No. 14868 Anonymous
27th December 2023
Wednesday 12:04 am
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>>14867
>>/b/462105
>>/b/462108
>> No. 14869 Anonymous
27th December 2023
Wednesday 8:00 am
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>>14795
So that's north of about £110k.

How hard would it be for me to follow suit?

What sort of portfolio/quals did you have to land your first job? Is that all you needed or was there some element of networking or other luck involved? What was your first job?

How long did it take you to move up towards loadsamoney and was your trajectory fairly typical?
>> No. 14870 Anonymous
27th December 2023
Wednesday 8:36 am
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>>14867

Don't be daft mate, there's no sense in losing out on thousands of pounds for the sake of a bit of admin. If you're stuck, go and speak to your local Citizens Advice - they deal with benefits problems every day and they want to make sure that you get what you're entitled to.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about-us/contact-us/contact-us/contact-us/
>> No. 14876 Anonymous
27th February 2024
Tuesday 12:49 am
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>>14869
> How hard would it be for me to follow suit?

Tricky but not impossible, though right now is one of the toughest times to try given that many of the top employers gorged during the pandemic, laid off people after that ended (or at least stopped hiring) and are only now slowly starting to recruit again.

> What sort of portfolio/quals did you have to land your first job? Is that all you needed or was there some element of networking or other luck involved? What was your first job?

First job was with a hosting company, Desmond in CompSci was enough to get me through the door at the time. Some job hopping in between, current job was via networking. It's no joke that some jobs barely get publicly advertised, though make no mistake: it may get you an interview but it won't get you the job if you screw that up. YMMV, of course, start ups and smaller shops have their own rules.

Luck's a nebulous thing but of course some of that is involved and anyone who claims otherwise is deluding themselves.

> How long did it take you to move up towards loadsamoney and was your trajectory fairly typical?

About 10 years, and I'd say fairly typical for someone in my position. Looking at my colleagues a better degree result probably would've shortened that by a few years but enough of a proven track record in the industry makes up for a lot of sins to the point where degree barely matters anymore.
>> No. 14877 Anonymous
27th February 2024
Tuesday 11:49 pm
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>>14870
Seem to be doing fine on £180 a month - save for buying too many ciggarettes and having to cut into next months allowance, but I'm addressing that now.
>> No. 14878 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 5:22 pm
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If I get sacked for poor performance, do I get sanctioned?

I'm on a final written warning due to attendance (I am disabled), and they've said that if I fall behind on one of my tasks I could be dismissed.

I'm worried I'll get sacked then get no JSA because I was sacked for being disabled and not good at my job.
>> No. 14879 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 5:39 pm
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>>14878

Being sacked is what you want in terms of getting benefits, as far as I understand. It's harder to claim if you just walk out of a job. At least, that's how it was ten years ago when I was in the habit of just walking out of jobs. If you go AWOL and never contact them again they are forced to officially "dismiss" you, rather than having on record that you resigned, so you still got to claim.

What I would do, however, is get onto Citizen's Advice and see if there's any legal counsel you can take regarding the situation, and regarding what benefits you can claim if it comes to it. I'm assuming you're not unionised so if they want to sack you they pretty much can, but you can at least probably buy time by forcing them to double check they've got their case watertight.
>> No. 14880 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 6:02 pm
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Over the course of 10 years, a friend of mine has saved £10,000 while on disability and ESA. They're concerned that if their savings are declared, their benefit will be suspended and will have to repay a backdated amount. The friend says the the savings developed over a considerably long period of time and that a call to the DWP every month to declair +£83 savings is unrealistic, but it has understandably come to the point where something must be done.

What advice would you give them?
>> No. 14881 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 7:15 pm
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>>14880
Your friend is a benefit fraudster and should get a job.
>> No. 14882 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 7:19 pm
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>>14881
I don't think saving an average of £83.333* a months makes their pal a "fraudster".
>> No. 14883 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 8:12 pm
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>>14882
You're right, it doesn't. Having savings above the £6k threshold and intentionally failing to report that for around four years, does.
>> No. 14884 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 8:31 pm
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>>14880

You can still claim means-tested benefits (ESA/UC) if you have savings of more than £6,000 but less than £16,000. Anything over the £6,000 limit will trigger a deduction of £4.35 per month for each £250 over the threshold, so having £10,000 in savings would mean a deduction of £69.60 per month. PIP/DLA aren't means-tested, so any capital or income won't affect those benefits.

I'd be inclined to just declare having capital of £10,000 without giving any further details. The chances are quite good that they'll just apply the deduction without asking more questions. If they do ask more questions, then your friend is faced with a choice - tell the truth and potentially have the deduction back-dated, or tell a lie and risk a fraud investigation.
>> No. 14885 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 9:26 pm
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>>14883
Oh, boohoo: "I'm a little rules boy, I love the rules". I hope your trousers fall down in front of a school and they throw on the nonce wing.
>> No. 14886 Anonymous
29th February 2024
Thursday 11:45 pm
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>>14885

I do find it impressive how you manage to both be so edgy and yet still come across like such a complete mewling wimp.
>> No. 14887 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 1:14 am
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>>14884
So my friend is looking at a potential £3,340 backdated deduction, assuming 10,000 over 10 years is accurate.
My friend could absolutely live with that, especially as his benefit would be reduced by only £11 each month afterward.

I'm wondering at what figure a person could be technically claiming benefits while not actually recieving anything due to deductions.
As far as I know, reporting a change in circumstances requires similar information to an entirely new application - every 3 months if I understand >>14881 correctly.

It would be helpful if the DWP automatically tracked bank accounts, though that's understandably a concerning intrusion of privacy.
>> No. 14888 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 2:20 am
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Hot take: If people are doing minor fiddles (as opposed to massive outright fraud), maybe we should address the root causes of that rather than just criminalising them.
>> No. 14889 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 6:52 am
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>>14887
>It would be helpful if the DWP automatically tracked bank accounts, though that's understandably a concerning intrusion of privacy.
The Data Protection and Digital Information Bill mandates this and has already progressed through the Commons.

Rather than giving his ill-gotten fraud gains back to the DWP, why doesn't he just fucking spend it?
>> No. 14890 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 7:01 am
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>>14886
I was not aware that making fun of you was a test of courage or engaging in being "edgy". This new knowledge will have no bearing on my future actions, but maybe if you report me to the government I'll start behaving.
>> No. 14891 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 11:49 am
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At this rate it's likely my friend will step forward to report their change in circumstances, on the understanding that the DWP has overpaid them and fully expects a backdated deduction.
Seems like the most honest way forward - perhaps ask Citizens Advice to interpret an appropriate frequency for future circumstance change reports.

>>14889
I think they'd rather have half a years worth of rent in savings than a shiney new television. Infact that's how it started - saving for a months rent in advance, then the next and the next.
>> No. 14893 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 2:44 pm
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>>14891
I didn't ask why they'd saved the money. I asked why they'd prefer to give it back rather than spending into compliance.
>> No. 14894 Anonymous
1st March 2024
Friday 3:57 pm
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>>14891

I wouldn't advise him to be dishonest, but I would suggest playing dumb - answer any questions honestly by all means, but don't volunteer anything unprompted. Most Jobcentre staff aren't inclined to do any work that they don't have to; there's a reasonable chance that if he just tells them "I've got ten grand in the bank" they'll apply the deduction going forwards but won't back-date it just to save themselves the hassle, or will apply a nominal back-dated deduction that's less than he actually owes.

Under no circumstances should he admit to intentionally concealing information - if they ask why he didn't tell them sooner, then he just didn't realise that he had to. No explanations, no excuses, just "I didn't know". Being stupid is an administrative matter, but lying is fraud. It is generally very difficult to prove that someone has lied (as opposed to making an innocent mistake) unless they admit to it. It probably won't surprise you to learn that Jobcentre staff are quite used to dealing with morons, so it generally isn't very difficult to convince them that you're an idiot rather than a crook.

>>14893

If he went on a spending spree and they found out about it, they would class it as "deliberate disposal of capital" and treat him as if he still had the money. If we were talking about this a year ago then he could have probably got away with it, but the DWP are reviewing lots of claims at the moment and I've heard from loads of people who've been asked for several months of bank statements. If your bank statements show that you've spunked four grand up the wall just prior to having your claim reviewed, they probably aren't going to treat that favourably.

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