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|>>|| No. 4253
Okay might as well try and be polite and keep the oil out of the other megathreads.
Welcome to the motor one. In an attempt to actually get people to post in it, tell me about the car you really want and could feasibly afford. Right now I'm really thinking a lot about a big square 80s Merc as we've been talking about them. Even a Lada would be fun as fuck.
|>>|| No. 4254
Just a bike with twice as many wheels. Should be called a quike really.
|>>|| No. 4255
Looking at an old Elise, as I'm commuting 50 miles each way on country roads.
It's that or a wafty barge to do it in comfort, but I think I'd just get bored, lose concentration and stick it in a ditch.
In reality: another MX-5. Wondering how bad the turbo conversions on ebay are, as I like a bit of boost, and driving around lag makes me concentrate a bit more than having it all on tap. Taking on someone else's abomination is fine.
Other suggestions for a cheap chuckable commute car? Only really want to spend £5000 or so at the moment. More funds will become available in a year, so I don't have to live with this forever (so holding off on the Elise for a bit is fine). Don't want toys or comfort, do want at least the option of a roof. Probably don't want a bike. Something small and underpowered to rag the tits off would maybe be fun, but maybe get wearing.
Could get an aging electric car and get my kicks by trying to eke enough range out of a marginal battery - but they tend to close a lot of roads around here in bad weather, and diversions are long.
Fuel consumption is at least a bit of an issue, or an RX8 would appeal. maybe it does. http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/rx-8 reckons 18mpg. Nah, fuck that.
|>>|| No. 4256
I've got a real hankering for a Volvo 240. They're growing into something of a design classic, the ultimate in boxy 80s design. You're looking at the thick end of £8,000 for a tidy one these days, so you might do alright out of a restoration project.
|>>|| No. 4259
If you're willing to do the work yourself or at least pay someone else to do it, an MX-5 with a turbo in it is a FANTASTIC choice and I doubt you'll want to get rid of it after a year. The story goes that the car was originally designed to have a turbo in it from factory, so they work well if you get an appropriately sized (small) one.
I personally would still trust an already built one as it's going to have been owned by an enthusiast. There's a couple of excellent owner's clubs on facebook so check them out for sales too. There's a couple on ebay right now that are reasonable, that four grand(ish) grey Eunos won't lose any value for you for sure. You'll probably make money on it after the year.
I love the RX-8 but for many reasons it's not a great car to have as your only car. If you're looking at them you need to factor in a trip to Leeds and the ~£3000 you will have to pay Rotary Revs at some point. You might be able to get one with the work done already for five grand, but even properly maintained by an expert (literally can only recommend Rotary Revs) they still top out at 25mpg. A rotary engine is also the complete opposite experience to a turbo, with huge long flat revs. It's fun to hit 10k every time you change gears, but the acceleration is really not that exciting.
I almost recommended a 350z as it's what I replaced my RX8 with, but unless you spend a good chunk on new shocks and nice tyres it's not exactly chuckable - and even then it's still heavy. It's a fucking lovely V6 though.
My last idea would probably be the one I'd go for, but only because I've done the MX5 thing enough. It's what I consider to be one of the best kept secrets in terms of RWD hoonmobiles - The BMW 325ti. They're ugly as sin, but far lighter than any other E46, and they also don't rust like the coupe and saloons do - you can get an absolutely perfect one for a couple of grand and they're fucking FUN. They're faster than a 330 coupe because they're about 400lbs lighter, and they handle as well as an MX5, which as you know is about the highest compliment you could give a car. And it's a 2.5l straight six so who the fuck needs a turbo. Highly recommend thinking about that one, as it's something not many people consider when thinking about cheap fun.
|>>|| No. 4260
El Camino 454 SS.jpg
I appreciate it would be essentially useless in good old Blighty, but my dream one day is to take two months off, buy one of these, and roadtrip the U.S., selling it when I'm done, Roadkill-style.
|>>|| No. 4261
> In an attempt to actually get people to post in it, tell me about the car you really want and could feasibly afford.
A rover 420 gsi, because it was the first car I ever went joyriding in.
|>>|| No. 4264
They're very handsome, but I can't see one without thinking of an Albanian pimp.
|>>|| No. 4265
Someone told me that I should be using water from my tumble dryer rather than windscreen wiper fluid; apparently the water is pure from being boiled so shouldn't leave any streaks. It sounds plausible, but it also sounds like utter bollocks.
|>>|| No. 4266
Isn't it just easier to buy distilled water if you believe that?
|>>|| No. 4267
What >>4266 said.
I just use that Rain X stuff on my windscreen though, it stops streaks no matter what fluid you use and also reduces fogging up which is nice.
|>>|| No. 4268
Distilled or de-ionised water is an excellent option for cleaning glass. Most window cleaning companies have switched to using water fed pole systems with deionised water, because they don't need to use detergents or squeegees to get a streak-free finish and therefore don't need to use ladders.
It's less necessary on a car windscreen if your wiper blades are in good condition and it'll only do anything useful if your washer fluid bottle is spotlessly clean.
|>>|| No. 4270
I want to streak free!
I want to streak free!
I want to streak free from your eyes
You're so self-satisfied, I don't need you
|>>|| No. 4271
This board seems to possess a distinct fascination with MX-5. Why?
|>>|| No. 4273
It's a really good budget enthusiast's car. Older MX5s are rather unfashionable, so they're really cheap compared to pretty much any other RWD roadster. The handling is stellar, they're reliable and easy to fettle, the parts are reasonably cheap and they're not terribly expensive to insure. I'm not sure it's possible to have so much fun for so little money in any other car.
Back in my day, the Mini had a similar place in car culture. They're too knackered and too collectible to be decent value these days, but the MX5 is a worthy replacement.
|>>|| No. 4274
Because as >>4272 we're gay as fuck and need something that looks good parked outside a salon.
All that aside, they're incredibly fun cars with responsive, direct handling that makes them ideally suited to this country's many winding B roads. They're not very fast but that's not something that really matters in Britain, especially on a twisty road - you'd be surprised what sorts of cars you can embarrass in an MX-5 on a road with enough turns in it.
They're also cheap and easy to fix, and were designed from the ground up to be budget sports/track cars. I fail to see what the mystery is in their popularity.
|>>|| No. 4275
We encourage the poofter meme to keep the prices down.
Cracking little cars, if you like a car that feels like the controls do something, rather than ask a computer if it wouldn't mind, at its convenience, thinking about starting doing something if it's not too much trouble.
Driving schools should use them, to remove a few layers of abstraction between what you do and what you get. Visibility is also pretty good, and the low down position concentrates the mind.
|>>|| No. 4276
Got it. I wouldn't call it unfashionable though. It's pretty decent and nifty to me.
I've read a few reviews of the new Hilux and asked some knowledgeable folks. All say it's still decent. One review featured a test drive somewhere in the bush of the Russian Far East. As the driver told, he could easily go 100+ kph right across the terrain without much trouble (if any). Pretty impressive to me.
|>>|| No. 4277
>I wouldn't call it unfashionable though
I woudn't either, but the tired old 'hairdressers car' thing still seems to crop up a lot, or at least it did ten years ago - not sure if that's because I just hung around a lot more teenagers and manchildren ten years ago, or that the charm of being a Clarksonesque petrolfascist has worn off. I'm not even sure where that idea came from, it might well have been a Top Gear joke, or perhaps they really were driven by salon workers when they were new, I'm too young to know, the Mk1 was born the same year I was.
The MX5 club I was involved with had a good dose of people taking the piss themselves, example pictured.
|>>|| No. 4278
Clarkson and friends absolutely adore the MX-5, so it is unlikely to have been them. They’ve made jokes about the type of people who own them in the past, middle aged men with 20 something girlfriends, but nothing about hairdressers. They call the Audi TT a hairdressers car.
|>>|| No. 4282
Was it used in The Troubles a lot? I know it only as one of the "basically useless" units from the Wargame series.
|>>|| No. 4283
That's the Saracen, which was a direct descendent of this, the Saladin. The Saladin was knocking about in the 50s and served us for our few campaigns in the middle east around that era. I think the Yanks had them in Vietnam too, it was never a British only vehicle.
|>>|| No. 4284
> our few campaigns in the middle east around that era
Yes, that's exactly what I was told about this machine and its use. 'Somewhere in the sands'. Damned if I remember why it was deemed infamous.
|>>|| No. 4285
I honestly don't know either. The most notorious thing about it to me is that it preceded the much more famous Saracens, which the SAS liked to roll around in over in Ireland, amongst others.
|>>|| No. 4286
I couldn't remember how to fasten my seatbelt earlier but then it clicked.
|>>|| No. 4287
What's so special about the Saracen then, besides that?
Maybe I confuse the two. I doubt it, I remember the name quite clearly.
|>>|| No. 4288
That's it really, the Saracen's legacy is that it ended up being chiefly used to enforce apartheid in South Africa and quell Irish rebellion during the troubles. The tank itself is an unremarkable six wheeler, the only notoriety is in how it was used.
If I had to guess the earlier Saladin might have similarly stood on necks in the desert back in the day.
|>>|| No. 4292
I want a daft 90s car lads. Something like a Sierra or Escort. Hopefully something cheap that just about runs, but won't fall apart on me when you get above 40.
Not even a fancy high end one, but one of the charmingly shit ones, where the seats were too soft and the dashboard was all square; but you were pinned back in your seat if the driver put their foot down.
|>>|| No. 4293
I've had very many daft 90s cars, but most of them were japanese, not really the Sierra or Escort types, and there's only so many times I can recommend an MX-5.
Most of the exciting hot hatches and stuff from that era are eye wateringly expensive now, anything worth driving (the fast ones) are rightly considered classics, but I wouldn't fancy dropping twenty grand on one.
I think it was the very tail end of the 90s, maybe even the 00s, but there were a few charmingly shit Mondeos with V6 engines in them that must go cheap these days. The Focus....ST something? ST170 I think? They were proper fun but again more naughties than nineties. Fun sleepers though.
If I wanted that proper 90s feeling I'd go for anything featured in the TOCA back in the day. Actually, as I'm typing I just remembered the Volvo 850 T5 - you can get an ex rozzer one for a couple of grand (there'll be a load of well kept and modded ones for way more than that) and they fit all of your critera, particularly them being a bit shit and boxy. They're terrifying once you put your foot down, though.
|>>|| No. 4296
I take back everything I ever said about Maserati's being ugly, fat, etc. That's perfect.
|>>|| No. 4297
An old slav-shite car I'm posting only because I've stared at Maserati's windscreen wipers too long. The interesting thing about is that its wipers were powered by the car's engine, mechanically. The faster you go, the faster they wipe.
|>>|| No. 4298
It's quite uncharacteristic of everything I've ever seen from Maserati. And it's considerably pretty in its boxiness.
They also had a sedan, 430, in a similar rather plain and bland design. Concerning Biturbo though, I wouldn't call it bland.
|>>|| No. 4299
That's hilarious. I'm very fond of the similarly functioning mechanical fuel lift pumps, as they make perfect sense, the more your engine goes the faster you need the fuel.
The idea of you needing to drive faster because the rain is heavier is beautifully Slav.
|>>|| No. 4300
Or put in the neutral and rev the engine a bit. Which is silly just as well.
|>>|| No. 4302
@26:15 Fastest road legal car - Vauxhall Victor with a 2000hp V8. 0-60 in 1 second.
|>>|| No. 4303
Saw a rather well-maintained W123 today, driven by some older bloke in his late 60s.
Think he was mildly flummoxed by my interest towards his 'old shite beater' car.
|>>|| No. 4305
I think I've stared at this car long enough to re-consider my opinion about it and appreciate its existence all out of sudden. Unsure why yet.
|>>|| No. 4306
How come you barely see Toyotas on the road these days? You'll see the odd Yaris, but Toyota seems to have declined in popularity considerably.
|>>|| No. 4307
I see loads. Yaris are popular, Auris and Prius are used by a load of taxi/uber drivers, I see a lot of RAV4s on the lower end of the middle class school runs, and I see plenty of Hilux knocking about on building sites etc.
I even see a couple of 86's around.
|>>|| No. 4308
They're so boring that you don't notice them. There's absolutely nothing distinctive about their design language these days, no styling motif that announces "this is a Toyota".
|>>|| No. 4311
I drunkenly ran my car into a kerb yesterday and I paid for it because I've fucked up the tyre. Got two Michelin Primacy 4s for £115 fitted which isn't too shabby, shame my car cost 5x that.
In other news, it failed its MOT last Friday because the handbrake force was too shitty. Replaced the disc brakes (which were only about 3 months old but for some reason had worn unevenly), didn't change anything. Got some new discs to install as well, hopefully the frame isnt wonky.
Replaced the anti roll bar dust covers too, and got a new fuel filter.
All for a fourteen year old renault.
|>>|| No. 4318
I've seen a few of them around recently. They're smaller than I remember.
Fucking minis have warped the world with their lardiness.
|>>|| No. 4319
I've noticed since turning 30 insurance quotes have dropped dramatically on a lot of motors, some of the sportier stuff dropping by half. It's a shame I had my midlife crisis at 25 as I've gone through most of the fun cars I've wanted anyway.
I did notice I can get a pre-1994 Land Rover insured for less than £150 a year now, though. That might actually offset the diesel it'll drink.
Am I going to end up commuting to work in a car that's barely younger than I am, again? Probably. Watch this space.
|>>|| No. 4320
>>4319 Get an LPG converted V8? Don't know how foul the running costs would really be. (I've just been looking for a towcar that'll do low miles, so I've been pondering slightly demented landys / rangies.)
|>>|| No. 4321
I haven't had direct experience with them, but most of the Landy nuts I've spoken to over the years claim that the Rover V8 is so thirsty that even running LPG it's more expensive than a diesel variant. There is a rough but solid looking V8 with the conversion already done on eBay right now but I don't know, having a big tank in the back of a 90 seems silly, there's not really that much room to start with, I'd want to fit a bike or two in the back quite often.
If I was going to be thrifty I'd probably get a TDI and look to install a kit so it can run on veg oil. I can get oil for free if I'm willing to clean it myself, plus hopefully there'll actually be biodiesel infrastructure one day.
|>>|| No. 4322
I drove someone's Mini Cooper S today, I think I want one.
Never had a supercharged car before, that seems as good a reason as any to get a two grand-ish one.
|>>|| No. 4323
If I enter a pay and display car park without dedicated motorcycle parking, can I just park in an empty strip of space somewhere out of the way or do I need to pay to use a dedicated spot for a car? I see plenty of people park the former way but I'm wondering what the likelihood of getting penalised by a car park attendant is.
|>>|| No. 4324
I know this is a shite answer but it really does just depend on the car park, who runs it, and possibly how much of a cunt the attendant feels like being.
Logically the company should want you to park outside of a bay because that means they have room for another customer. I reckon as long as you're not blocking anything (I'm sure you're not) then you'll probably be fine, but really the only way to know for sure is to ring whoever runs the car park and ask.
|>>|| No. 4331
I bought one. I think I was making clients nervous showing up to places in my rusty dodgy looking Micra so my internal justification is that a Mini always looks quite nice and normal and a car you'd expect a consultant to show up in at your place of business, but it's actually still almost as cheap as a Micra.
|>>|| No. 4332
> but it's actually still almost as cheap as a Micra.
Wait till you supercharger goes!
|>>|| No. 4333
- @14:47 Have you got it up yet?
- @31:57 Dick Seaman - Race Car driver.
- @38:48 I've been banged around enough on this show.
|>>|| No. 4336
Not really a coupe but my Skoda Octavia was big enough to sleep two people this way.
|>>|| No. 4337
Not sure what you mean by "modern", but as long as you take the spare wheel out (or pad around it), you could probably get an alright night in the back of my Celica.
|>>|| No. 4338
If it was me, I'd just get a roof tent.
|>>|| No. 4339
Yeah sleeping in a car for a night is fine - but any longer and an actual tent (even a small one) will be a far more comfortable sleep.
|>>|| No. 4340
Lads. I have a license, and I finally have a job. It's all very confusing, should I buy some old beater for a couple of grand, or pay monthly for something else? Why is it all so confusing? £300 for a new merc doesn't sound bad, right? i'm deathly afraid of something going wrong with a second hand car, and some mechanic making me his slave.
|>>|| No. 4341
Dear god, do not take on finance. Just don't.
It's absolutely not worth it, and if you damage the car (you will) or go over the mileage (you will) you'll end up bent farther over a barrel than any mechanic could ever bend you, even with his special mechanic bending tools.
Also, 'a couple of grand' will get you way more than an old beater. You can get an incredibly solid car for that.
How old are you, how many miles do you travel to work, and do you need anything specific? (room for a dog, a bike, etc)
|>>|| No. 4342
Yeah - couldn't agree more - there are many of these monthly Personal Contract Hire/Lease/etc out there, and they are superficially attractive, but they are a terrifically poor way to buy a car. Buying a new car is no guarantee at all that it won't break - as it's new (and if you buy it on a contract), you'll probably end up taking it back to a main dealer for servicing, which is expensive.
|>>|| No. 4343
It's not particularly exciting, but you can get an old Corsa or Micra with about 30,000 miles on the clock for under £2,000. A car with that kind of mileage will last you for years without any major trouble.
Even if you buy a dud and it's only good for scrap after a year, you've still spent £1,600 less than you would have paid to lease a Merc for a year. If (more realistically) you get four or five good years out of it with little more than routine servicing, you will have saved the better part of £15,000. If you're a young lad, it'll cost you an absolute fortune to insure anything vaguely nice. As >>4341 suggests, there are a lot of ways that leasing companies can screw you with unexpected payments at the end of your lease agreement.
Would you rather drive a Merc, or have a couple of very nice holidays every year? Would you rather drive a Merc, or live in a bigger house in a nicer part of town?
|>>|| No. 4344
Thanks lads. I try to stay grounded, and I think buying a car for a couple of grands sounds better. It's just weird how everyone gets a nice flashy car with the latest plates on finance. It's like a status thing, and maybe I was getting sucked in for that.
I sat down and had a good introspection. I don't need anything outlandish, just a car to help my mum with her shopping for when she gets rid of her car, to drive up to friends, and work (which is an odd 30 mile round-trip in heavy traffic). Maybe a small automatic hatchback would be nice. If I think back, the kind of cars I like are probably cheap now, such as all those Japanese cars in all the games I used to play in (1990s Polo, Civic, and anything Japanese really).
I have been looking at Autotrader and Gumtree. Are there any other places to try?
|>>|| No. 4345
You're probably doing the right thing.
I've always just bought something cheapish and run it for years - had some nice stuff but never new(er than 10 years).
Just taken delivery of a leased Merc A-class, while my proper company car gets sorted out. I'm not enjoying it (throttle response measured in weeks), and I don't like having to worry about mileage and kerbing the insanely huge, ride-destroying wheels. Satnav sucks, and I can't just mount a phone cradle to the dash with a few self tappers or glue, like usual.
This is just griping - but it really feels as if new cars, and leases, just aren't for me. I like shitboxes, and will be buying a battered landy to maintain equilibrium and sanity...
>>4344 - you haven't ruled out an MX-5, so I'm duty-bound to suggest one. Go on, they're nice, and fun to drive.
|>>|| No. 4346
>I have been looking at Autotrader and Gumtree. Are there any other places to try?
If you can find a little bit more money, CarGiant - they buy ex-lease/finance/fleet cars, usually young, sometimes high mileage cars. Have bought a couple of cars off them (and about to buy another). A bit more than £2k, you'll need nearer 5, but recommended all the same and better than a contract hire/finance deal.
|>>|| No. 4352
It's sort of rare. I wouldn't ever recall about it if I hadn't a 9000 parked nearby, with the 'on sale' sign.
I think it's been carrying that sign for about two years now, perhaps three. Not a bad car visually; I haven't been inside or driven it to form my own opinion fully though.
|>>|| No. 4353
9000's were okay to drive, but they're a bit big. The 900 light pressure turbos were a lot more fun.
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