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|>>|| No. 18964
Here's the proper thread. To confuse future generations of .gs users I'm using this photo of his cat that was featured on the Guardian Live Blog.
From the sounds of it he was acting a bit of a tit within the embassy, playing footy indoors and arguing with staff, which didn't help, and while I'm sure he is a bit of a tit, I can't imagine keep sane being couped up like that for so long. However the US have leant on the Ecuadorians for some time now and this whole thing stinks. The shite Trump's coming out with about not knowing a thing about Wikileaks is on another level.
|>>|| No. 18965
He looked pretty rough in the photos. I rather suspect he's gone a bit potty, which probably contributed to him overstaying his welcome.
|>>|| No. 18967
Cooped, as in a hen coop, not couped which isn't a word but could conceivably refer to being the subject of a coup.
|>>|| No. 18970
He did look rough in the photos and there was no need to act up on the way out at that point - the poor lad has gone a bit mad. A couple of years in our jails, about five in a US one, they'll feel like a holiday camp compared to that fucking cupboard. I bet he stinks.
It was only ever going to end like this.
|>>|| No. 18972
>The shite Trump's coming out with about not knowing a thing about Wikileaks is on another level.
I just don't know where to start with this shitty bit of it. As if Trumps cuntery knows any bounds, it still made me gasp in horror / laugh to hear what he said today.
|>>|| No. 18973
>The shite Trump's coming out with about not knowing a thing about Wikileaks is on another level.
He leaked Hilary Clintons Emails, quite probably for the Russians in a deal that trump was involved in, any denial of knowledge by Trump is an obnoxious attempt to play dumb because there was NO COLUSION.
|>>|| No. 18974
Inb4 I'm banned for saying based.Inb4 I'm banned for saying inb4.I've been at a lock in, please be kind.
|>>|| No. 18977
This has been planned for a while now. DOJ had a jet (N996GA) sat on the tarmac at Luton for bloody ages the other week, coinciding with a buildup of agents around the Ecuadorian embassy. The timing is also highly suspicious because the Australian Parliament has just broken up for a General Election, so the Australians can't make any noise about one of their own until that's all done and dusted and it'll be far too late by then, he'll be off to Langley or worse, Gitmo.
Plain and simple, the US have exerted pressure on both Ecuador and the UK to have this done now because the US Presidential election is coming up and Trump wants him out of the way. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. International law has been broken for sure.
|>>|| No. 18979
He's only been arrested on the condition of a deal that he can't be extradited to any countries that torture or execute prisoners- i.e the US.
Seven years is a long time though lads, just think about what you were up to seven years ago. Now imagine that instead of anything that's happened since then, you'd spent the whole time trapped in a Travelodge, like a serialised ITV version of Oldboy.
|>>|| No. 18984
I like how it looks like they've captured some kind of goblin. Also, what happens to his cat? I can't find an answer anywhere.
|>>|| No. 18986
That copper looks right smug, I'd love to see my boy Ted Hastings sit him down and give him his Regulation 15 notice
|>>|| No. 18989
I've finally figured out who he reminds me of in these photos. It's George Galloway!
|>>|| No. 18990
I think he's just trying to hold in the laffs from seeing the Brian Sewell biography in Arseange's hand.
|>>|| No. 18992
Anyone who would dress a cat in a shirt collar and tie like that is an obvious wrong'un, so I say we send him to jail for rape. Barry the Bumder is going to pound that Assange into oblivion.
|>>|| No. 18998
>Here's the proper thread
What was wrong with the original?
You come across as quite alarmist. Manning did a worse crime than Assange and didn't end up in Gitmo. As the other lad said max sentence is 5 years.
According to the Granuiad, it was taken to a shelter when it was clear Assange couldn't look after it.
|>>|| No. 19000
The other thread was on /b/ for no reason other than the OP was daft.
Also Manning ended up in solitary confinment and denied access to the hormone therapies she should have been receiving given her transgender status. They completely mistreated her and I wouldn't trust the Trump government as far as I could throw the Oval Office, it's not a normal government so I don't entirely believe it can be trusted to act on precedent.
|>>|| No. 19002
>What was wrong with the original?
Only a carpet-bagger needs a quick response.
|>>|| No. 19003
>Only a carpet-bagger needs a quick response.
LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, MODS. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR WORDFILTERS THAT RUIN RHYMES.
|>>|| No. 19006
He was useful during the campaign, but now poses a risk. Imagine if someone slipped him some Trump tax returns. The Donald can't have that, can he?
|>>|| No. 19008
"Leave off Flynn, he's a good guy."
Ok. I will be sure to point this out to people posting newsworthy material on /b/ in future.
|>>|| No. 19009
It's really tempting to photoshop a turban on his head on this pic. He'd make a mighty fine stereotypical daft militant wog.
The previous thread in /b/ mentioned Manning. Wasn't he pardoned? I think there was something in the works after he'd been given 35 years of prison.
|>>|| No. 19011
Obama commuted her sentence to time served shortly before leaving office.
|>>|| No. 19012
I've found a couple of sticky labels plastered around the area with FREE JULIAN ASSANGE on them. I'm tempted to add to them with my own saying WHEN YOU SPEND £500 AT IKEA.
|>>|| No. 19030
>nonsense about Bradley Manning
Absolute bollocks. Bradley only played the transgender card because he thought it would get him an easier time in prison and because it amused him to make them jump through the hoops. If you genuinely believe his transgender act, you're deluded.
|>>|| No. 19031
If you think someone is willing to undergo hormone replacement therapy and request gender reassignment surgery for a laugh, then I suggest that you're the deluded one.
|>>|| No. 19032
Not him but there have definitely been quite a few cases of male prisoners transitioning in order to move to female facilities. Safety aside, it ties up the authorities and allows for a break in the monotony. And if you're already mentally ill, why not decide you're a girl now?
|>>|| No. 19033
Not him, but there have definitely been quite a few cases of men transitioning because they're actually trans.
|>>|| No. 19034
Well that's the issue in a nutshell. Do they have a mental illness, or are they just pretending for the sake of their own benefit? There's no way of disproving somebody's trans when they keep going to the doctor and insisting they're actually a girl trapped in the body of a man destined for a male prison. Are you saying it's impossible anyone would ever do this out of self-interest, or because they were mentally ill in other ways?
|>>|| No. 19035
And herein lies the rub. If trans actually was an actual medical condition, you'd be able to tell, and either go through with it or tell them "fuck off no you don't have transgenderism you prick."
But it's not.
|>>|| No. 19036
Here's an idea. You two can keep pretending that being trans isn't real, and the rest of us can accept reality, move on and leave you to it. Deal?
|>>|| No. 19037
Nobody is 'denying' trans doesn't exist, like those curious people who think depression and anxiety are myths, or that ADHD is just children acting up. But yes, it is a form of body dysmorphia and so a listed psychiatric condition.
|>>|| No. 19038
>Nobody is 'denying' trans doesn't exist
Besides those two posters up there, who are blatantly denying it.
|>>|| No. 19040
I'm not denying it. But there is a difference between someone who has a genuine delusion and who requires medical attention, and someone who is just malingering. There is no diagnostic test for transgenderism beyond the patient's own insistence - hence why it's perfectly plausible that someone could pretend to be trans out of self-interest.
|>>|| No. 19041
>There is no diagnostic test for transgenderism beyond the patient's own insistence
You know about 90% of illness is diagnosed on the basis of what the patient says and not on any other sort of diagnostic test? They don't use any sort of diagnostic test for appendicitis other than "does this hurt?" and they operate on that basis.
|>>|| No. 19044
For some reason you're ignoring the fact that physical conditions can be verified by scans, biopsies, chemical tests and direct observation. Mental conditions often can't, which is no surprise since our understanding of the brain is dreadful compared to the rest of the body. Regarding your choice of example, people do often fake abdominal pain out of self-interest. Typically this is to score painkillers, more rarely it's a form of persistent malingering where a patient psychologically craves the care, attention and sympathy that results from being ill. In either case there are many other diagnostic measures that can be taken following a patient's complaint that they 'feel funny'.
|>>|| No. 19045
And some people don't fake them but feel the symptoms regardless of what the tests say.
|>>|| No. 19046
I'm not denying trans exists. I'm stating that in Bradley's case, he did it out of ulterior motives and not because he's actually trans.
The thing is, trans is a mental illness, but not on its own. It's like, I might play Grand Theft Auto and think "Oooh, imagine doing that in real life"...but I don't, because there's that little switch in my brain that says "You can't do that, it's against the law and there'd be consequences." It's the same thing with trans - it's the lack of that little switch in your brain that stops you doing stupid things or taking it too far. I sometimes wonder what it'd be like to have tits, or what sex is like from a woman's point of view, but I don't go out and get surgery to make it reality because I know I'm a bloke, that's how I was born. Trans isn't it's own thing, it's just one of many symptoms of the same core mental issue.
As a side note, every trans I've ever met and interacted has had a fucking awful personality and clearly had other underlying mental issues which they've obviously attributed to 'being the wrong gender' without seeking proper help and lo and behold, they've changed gender and their mental issues are still there. But now they have that extra chip on their shoulder because they assume that everyone else is transphobic, when in reality it's their toxic personality that's putting people off.
Thank heavens for Darwin, that's all I can say. Natural selection will weed out the mentally ill and the transgenders
|>>|| No. 19047
Trans medically and scientifically doesn't exist. It is a political term. The medical position is that it is a form of body dismophia a psychological illness where a person feels alien in their own body. Where the medical position is to augment that persons body so they feel more comfortable psycholically.
'Trans' isnt a thing either it is 3 distinct political / social terms that are distinctly different.
Transvestite a person who wears clothes designed for the other sex
Transsexual a person who identifies as a sex different from what the genitals they were born with dictate.
Transgender a political term invented by post structuralist to challenge the idea that sex and gender are linked in an argument to win the nature vs nurture debate with scientific realists about behaviour differences between the sexes, by arguing that gender is just a taught trait.
The reason I bring this up is that in a previous thread this shit came up someone said Eddie Izzard had transitioned and no one called them on their bullshit. Given he is just a man who likes wearing women's clothing.
If you think I'm being picky tell a trans women they are just a male who's chosen the gender women (the transgender position) and see how they react.
|>>|| No. 19048
I don't understand your point. Acute idiopathic pain exists, but it's rare and hardly the first port of call for a diagnosis. Are you saying that the role of a doctor is to believe the patient in all cases, even when objective means of diagnosis exist? I can assure you you'd be a very popular doctor in prison if that's the case!
That hasn't been my anecdotal experience. The only trans person I know is a close childhood friend who has always had a lovely personality, though I'd be the first to admit they've always been very odd, long before they started mentioning their gender dysphoria. It does make me understand why tempers can flare over this sort of thing. They're a logical enough person but I know it'd be cruel to tell them their identity is a psychiatric disorder. I think it's important to play along to a certain extant in order to spare their feelings.
|>>|| No. 19049
As a consultant in the software industry, I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of charming and brilliant trans people.
Your first paragraph more-or-less contradicts itself. Gender Dysmorphic Disorder is a recognised medical condition, for which the recommended treatment is gender realignment (i.e. transition).
|>>|| No. 19050
>I'm stating that in Bradley's case, he did it out of ulterior motives and not because he's actually trans.
Which is functionally equivalent to denying the legitimacy of transfolk.
|>>|| No. 19051
Are we seriously doing the whole trans thing again?
|>>|| No. 19052
It's not though, is it, you clod. It's denying the legitimacy of Bradley's trans-ness.
|>>|| No. 19053
No, it isn't. It's simply saying that in *this particular instance* the transgenderism is not legitimate. In the same way that if you call out, say, a disability benefit fraud, you are not saying that all disability benefit claimants are frauds.
|>>|| No. 19057
But you're not calling out a disability benefit fraud. You're seeing someone in a wheelchair and reflexively claiming without further evidence that their claim is a fraud. That's nothing to do with the particular instance at hand, it's straight up prejudice.
|>>|| No. 19058
I don't think Shaun's really a midget, unless he stood on a box for this photo.
|>>|| No. 19059
I liked when he called them scamps but I'm not sure it was the word he was looking for.
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