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>> No. 29239 Anonymous
6th December 2020
Sunday 8:12 pm
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>'On a knife edge': Britain and EU in last-ditch trade talks

>Britain and the European Union will make a last-ditch attempt to strike a post-Brexit trade deal this week, with probably just days left for negotiators to avert a chaotic parting of ways at the end of the year. Ireland’s prime minister, whose country would face more economic pain than any of the other 26 EU member states in the case of a “no deal”, cautioned against over-optimism, putting the chances of an agreement at only 50-50.

>British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen spoke over the weekend to get their teams back to the negotiating table after talks stalled on three thorny issues. They are due to hold another call on Monday evening in the hope that, by then, stubborn differences over fishing rights in UK waters, fair competition - referred to as the level playing field - and ways to solve future disputes will have narrowed.

>“This is the final throw of the dice,” said a British source close to the talks before they resumed in Brussels on Sunday.

So what is the current status of your rice and do you reckon there will be a last minute deal?
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>> No. 29345 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 1:49 am
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> It's been a given from the start that Britain leaving the EU's punishing tariffs will cause food prices to fall in a no deal scenario.

The government says otherwise.

WTO rules dictate that unless you're in a free trade agreement, you have to charge the same tariffs on imports from all countries. Either we charge tariffs on previously tariff-free imports from the EU (pushing up food prices), or we drop tariffs across the board and bankrupt pretty much every farmer in the country. This government has been extremely clear that we're not doing the latter, which isn't particularly surprising.



>> No. 29346 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 9:57 am
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those things don't grow in the winter, they just don't rot in the fields if you don't pick them (which is certainly handy, compared to running chilled warehouses with an atmosphere fogged with various(ly dodgy and freshly banned) growth retardants).
Popping out every week to dig out that week's spuds and carrots is just one more reason why doing it all yourself is less efficient than letting Big Farm using Big Capital do it.
Growing some veg for fun is one thing, stopping your family starving over winter solely using stuff you've grown is a different game (and you'd better be ready for some repetetive meals and weight loss over winter).
I will be surprised to see food prices (except lamb, maybe milk) fall after a no-deal. Doubly so for fresh vegetables, where shipping from further away than Europe adds cost. Perhaps we can get Algeria to run greenhouses and desalination plants?
>> No. 29349 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 11:49 am
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>even apples go manky by the start of the next season.
Apples don't go bad they just turn into cider.
>> No. 29355 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 5:48 pm
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The constant edging involved in these "negotiations" is starting to annoy me. It's obvious there isn't going to be a deal.
>> No. 29357 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 6:59 pm
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Ah, but there might be...
>> No. 29358 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 7:18 pm
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Just you wait until they reveal the postponement-formerly-known-as-extension next week. Which to be fair isn't a bad idea as it couldn't be a worse time of year to do a no deal.
>> No. 29359 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 9:25 pm
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>> No. 29360 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 10:04 pm
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I thought she was showing her wabs and everything these days??
>> No. 29361 Anonymous
13th December 2020
Sunday 10:58 pm
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Why the hell do people go to all the effort of watercooling and then not include the GPU? It's the only component that really benefits from it in comparison to aircooling.
>> No. 29362 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 2:17 am
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She has promised that she'll release a hardcore scene on Christmas Day, but she has form for being a piss-taking pricktease.


GPU waterblocks are expensive and most people only really do watercooling for the bling factor.

I'm surprised that the industry hasn't sorted out a better form-factor for GPUs. Hanging a huge lump of copper off a PCIe slot is obviously a crap idea, but we've been stuck with it for over a decade. We could make GPUs quieter, cooler and cheaper if they just had room to breathe, but we can't seem to break the chicken-and-egg problem.

Also, why can't I control my case fans based on GPU temperature without resorting to weird hacks?
>> No. 29364 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 6:26 am
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Just use MSI Afterburner, and use the built in tool to do exactly that.
>> No. 29365 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 6:58 am
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Belle Delphine is the modern equivalent of those Babestation things they used to put on the low-budget Sky channels at night to keep the bills paid. Never shows nowt, and if you've got you're brain screwed in you know they never will, but apparently someone out there is bored, desperate and horny enough to spend their phone credit on it.

(Probably my mate James when I was in high school. Randy bugger, but absolutely horrible with girls, just used to try throw his weight round to impress them, and it didn't usually get him far. I remember him telling me about hearing his mum moaning and having a wank over it. Bet he drinks a lot of Stella these days, if you know what I mean.)
>> No. 29367 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 7:45 am
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Remember, lads. This is the fault of remainers.

>> No. 29368 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 9:56 am
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> Also, why can't I control my case fans based on GPU temperature without resorting to weird hacks?
A fan controller with the little sensor things would do the trick.
>> No. 29369 Anonymous
14th December 2020
Monday 11:53 am
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There is an element of what Americans call the "Monday morning quarterback" about this piece, but even so it does seem largely accurate. At no point did the political demand of stopping Brexit come close to fruition and it's undeniably a huge part of why we have a Tory Party with a extremely sizable majority in Parliament now. Whether implemented by an outright reversal of the referendum (a while since I had to type that damned word) or by a wink-wink, nudge-nudge, let's get the vote right this time, Brexit Referendum 2, it wasn't popular in the least bit. Change UK and the LibDems both did horribly in the general election, from what I recall, so you can't simply say Jones is being a denialist about Corbyn's popularity because no party in opposition to Brexit did well except the SNP. The SNP, I would wager, I can't say I remember how they went about the 2019 election, were Scottish independence first, EU second.

Now, don't ever post a link to that accursed "Opinion" section ever again unless it's George Monbiot with a recipe for roadkill.
>> No. 29517 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 11:29 am
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We're there and we "won" bigly, lads.

>An internal government analysis of the deal set to be announced this morning scores the 65 key issues on the table during the negotiations. The government’s view is that the UK has won more than twice as many victories as the EU; with 28 UK wins (43%), 11 EU wins (17%) and 26 “mutual compromises” (40%). The chart seen by Guido describes the crucial issue of fisheries as a mutual compromise, with the UK government settling for a 5.5-year transition “during which access is fixed”.

>According to the table, the UK has won on a number of key issues, including governance/EU preconditions, technical barriers to trade, customs – trusted traders schemes, legal services, financial service and tax.


Now what the hell did we all talk about before Brexit?
>> No. 29518 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 11:39 am
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>>29517 gawd, I hope this is true. Although, doesn't it have to be voted on by the member states before going through? Is that a given?
And I think we can find something to talk about afterwards. Scotland's going to be whining that it's unfair on them until at least indyref2.
We've got plague 20 and plague 21 to keep us busy, with a huge circlejerk of blame, recrimination and just plain dying. Sunlit uplands ho.
>> No. 29519 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 11:51 am
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We've only gone and done it, lads. We've won at Brexit. All it took was for Bozza to call their bluff.
>> No. 29520 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 12:02 pm
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>doesn't it have to be voted on by the member states before going through?

Yes, which is why we definitely haven't "won" anything, regardless of how our government tries to spin it. If we want to get a deal done by the end of the year, that deal needs to be clearly acceptable to all 27 member states in order to get signed off in the extremely narrow timeframe remaining.
>> No. 29521 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 12:05 pm
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If it isn't then at least Johnson will know which countries to blame.
>> No. 29522 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 1:03 pm
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How will that help anyone?
>> No. 29523 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 1:12 pm
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Everything needs a scapegoat.
>> No. 29524 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 1:52 pm
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It'll help Boris shirk responsibility for a little while longer, which seems to be the core principle of our government.
>> No. 29525 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 3:35 pm
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Is the deal actually good? As in are we still leaving properly.

If not, do we still have time to crash out?
>> No. 29526 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 3:39 pm
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>They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some dairy farmers just want to watch the world burn.

But I don't see who would block it - France has made noise about fish but the choice is a transition or no deal entirely while there's nobody else with a particular grudge over terms.

We're looking at another Tory landslide come the next election. I don't think Starmer ever had a hope of becoming PM but this seal it.
>> No. 29527 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 3:50 pm
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> We're looking at another Tory landslide come the next election.
>> No. 29528 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:09 pm
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I wonder if the 2021 census things will tip more voters away from Labour, seeing as the proportion of ethnic minorities will have gone up. Interestingly there are minorities themselves who get concerned by that sort of thing.

Does anyone else tire of the news cycle? Right now the Telegraph and Guardian will be poring over the trade deal, the former finding everything wonderful about it and the latter looking for everything terrible. I wish more neutral sources were available, which aren't trying to change mind by filtering all information through a prism.
>> No. 29529 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:09 pm
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It seems like we're properly leaving and the deal sounds like a reasonable compromise for both parties, but the actual agreement is around 2,000 pages long and it hasn't been published yet. In other words, fuck knows but it won't stop people from claiming it's a brilliant/terrible deal depending on their pre-existing viewpoint.
>> No. 29530 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:12 pm
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>there's nobody else with a particular grudge over terms

Which is precisely why we haven't "won" anything. If this deal was an improvement over our existing terms of membership, then someone on the continent would stand to lose out. Britain would be devastated by a no-deal, but it's a mere inconvenience for nearly all EU member states; there's a clear incentive for any aggrieved party to veto and let Britain squirm. The fact that nobody looks like they might block the deal suggests that either a) there are no big winners or losers in the trade deal and it's fairly close to BINO, b) it's a bad deal for Britain but nobody wants to let on or c) any EU constituents who stand to lose out will be more than generously compensated.

It's in Boris's interests to accept a deal that slyly shafts us in ways that won't become apparent for some time, because he avoids the fallout of a traumatic no-deal. If EU member states feel like they're getting one over on Britain, it's obviously in their interests to keep quiet.

For clear game theoretic reasons, this may well be an acceptable deal for Britain but there's no chance that it'll be a good deal.
>> No. 29531 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:24 pm
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>I wish more neutral sources were available, which aren't trying to change mind by filtering all information through a prism.

You want the FT. They're filthy capitalists, but they're filthy capitalists whose readers want to know what's actually happening so that they can profit from it.


Not brilliant, not terrible, just a bit worse than membership. That was the only deal on offer from day one.
>> No. 29532 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:44 pm
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>Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal. We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters.

>> No. 29533 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 4:53 pm
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Does that mean we'll get £350m a week for the NHS?

Can we send them back? You know, them. You can't say anything any more, it's elf 'n' safety gone mad.
>> No. 29534 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 6:39 pm
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I think Kier Keith missed an opportunity here, his take on it was that "a better deal could have been done" which makes him sound like he's still a bitter remoaner. Instead he could have rolled with a more "This deal was made possible thanks in no small part to my party's role in making sure the last crap deal didn't get through" kind of angle.

I liked him at first but he's really starting to unravel lately. You reckon his programmer has started slacking off since working from home and all that?
>> No. 29535 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 7:15 pm
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No, lad. Just no.
>> No. 29536 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 7:19 pm
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But I was doing it ironically, that's why I did the strikeout thing.
>> No. 29539 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 8:59 pm
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>> No. 29540 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 11:07 pm
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There is that, but then if it turns out this deal is crap or some people are made worse off by it he's owning association with the deal as well. If that sort of thing crops up later, Neil Kinnock might actually wind up being right that Labour voting for the deal will be a terrible mistake by allowing the Tories to say "you voted for it!" when all the bad bits crop up.

Keith is outdated, the up and coming big name is Sphere Starmer
>> No. 29541 Anonymous
24th December 2020
Thursday 11:08 pm
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Too late to get an ironic Sphere Starmer bauble now, but next year...
>> No. 29606 Anonymous
29th December 2020
Tuesday 7:16 pm
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>References to decades-old computer software are included in the new Brexit agreement, including a description of Netscape Communicator and Mozilla Mail as being "modern" services.

Blue Passports, Netscape, and all the prawns you can eat. We are truly living in a golden age lads!

Hoping they bring back Opal Fruits and put the blue flecks back in spearmint polos next.

Copy/Pasting isn't that bad until you consider that this has basically been the major Political concern for four years.
>> No. 29607 Anonymous
29th December 2020
Tuesday 7:52 pm
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This is what happens when culture becomes so conservative as to all but stagnate entirely
>> No. 29608 Anonymous
29th December 2020
Tuesday 7:55 pm
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People have been poring over the deal for bad news and all they've found is a copy and paste bodge? It was probably written by the people who thought using Excel for track and trace was a good idea.

If this was Twitter I'd be firing off a few zingers about this being good for the British phishing industry.
>> No. 29614 Anonymous
29th December 2020
Tuesday 9:17 pm
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I guess, but there are other issues with it.

>> No. 29617 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 12:20 am
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>Millionaire Tory Eel Farmer who voted for Brexit may lose his job.
>> No. 29620 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 2:55 am
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Let us know when they find some good news.
>> No. 29639 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 5:26 pm
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> von der Leyen

Didn't the "von" denote nobility in Germany in the old days? I thought they abolished that after WWI and stripped people of their titles.
>> No. 29640 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 5:29 pm
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Her husband is proper posh.

>> No. 29641 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 5:50 pm
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Not sure but it's just German for "of" or "from".
>> No. 29643 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 5:56 pm
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How about this https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/uk-eu-agreement-parliament/

How about that N. Ireland is in the single market and the rest of the UK isn't? This threatens the break up of the union, with Scotland asking why it can't be part of the single market too.

How about the fact the 80% of the UK economy is services and it is not covered under this deal?

How about the fact that wasn't Brexit meant to be about cutting "red tape" but this deal has instead created a bunch? Notably in trading certain goods (which need certificates), travel of pets, driving abroad etc
>> No. 29646 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 7:19 pm
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It did and they did, but you still see it in surnames from time to time.
>> No. 29648 Anonymous
30th December 2020
Wednesday 7:46 pm
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I just read up on it. Both Germany and Austria lost their distinct social class of nobility when their respective emperors abdicated after WWI, but Germans were allowed to keep their surnames and titles. Austria went a step further and by law stripped people's surnames of anything indicating nobility. In Austria, a former Count of XYZ was thereafter only Mr. XYZ.

But apparently, that loss of class status mainly hit insignificant noble families, who weren't wealthy or influential and had little more than their surname itself to distinguish themselves from the rest of the general population. Whereas the household names of Austrian higher nobility largely continued their lifestyle, even though they lost their class privileges on paper, and still form a tightly knit group today.

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