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|>>|| No. 29239
>'On a knife edge': Britain and EU in last-ditch trade talks
>Britain and the European Union will make a last-ditch attempt to strike a post-Brexit trade deal this week, with probably just days left for negotiators to avert a chaotic parting of ways at the end of the year. Ireland’s prime minister, whose country would face more economic pain than any of the other 26 EU member states in the case of a “no deal”, cautioned against over-optimism, putting the chances of an agreement at only 50-50.
>British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen spoke over the weekend to get their teams back to the negotiating table after talks stalled on three thorny issues. They are due to hold another call on Monday evening in the hope that, by then, stubborn differences over fishing rights in UK waters, fair competition - referred to as the level playing field - and ways to solve future disputes will have narrowed.
>“This is the final throw of the dice,” said a British source close to the talks before they resumed in Brussels on Sunday.
So what is the current status of your rice and do you reckon there will be a last minute deal?
|>>|| No. 29240
> do you reckon there will be a last minute deal?
The plan has always been no deal. More than happy to be proven wrong though.
|>>|| No. 29241
> So what is the current status of your rice
I've raised my level to big fuck-off bags from the Indian supermarket.
|>>|| No. 29254
You say this, but the incoming Biden administration will surely have given Boris pause. All of a sudden the amazing deal, the best deal you've ever seen, believe me, is no longer an option. Now the situation is, you have no friends here, so sort things out in Ireland or you'll have burnt your last bridge, blondie. So it's entirely possible something will be cobbled together in the final weeks.
|>>|| No. 29288
>As Brexit cliff edge looms, miles of trucks stack up near southern English port
>Trucks heading towards the English port of Dover were stacked up for miles on Thursday, just three weeks before Britain exits the European Union’s orbit in a potentially tumultuous finale to the five-year divorce, a Reuters photographer said.
>Reuters pictures showed truck queues snaking into the night-time horizon. There was a queue ahead of the Eurotunnel freight entrance but the main tailback was on the approach to the Dover port terminal. Logistics groups have reported surging demand from companies trying to bring parts, goods and food into the country before Britain leaves the EU’s single market and customs union, a move that is expected to cause even more disruption in January.
>Highways England said there were high volumes of freight traffic heading towards the Port of Dover and that lorries had been stacked up along some roads to prevent the port from becoming overwhelmed. The British government has warned that even with a trade deal, 7,000 trucks heading for the Channel ports in south-east England could be held in 100-km (62-mile) queues if companies do not prepare the extra paperwork required.
I look forward to every home in Dover being converted into either greasy spoon or a knocking shop.
|>>|| No. 29306
Except it's really not that at all. If the Yanks wanted to put the thumbscrews on properly wed be getting the softest of Brexit-in-name-only jobs.
|>>|| No. 29309
Will "Australian style" enter general usage to mean "fuck all"?
|>>|| No. 29320
In fairness, supply chains are a mess at the moment and that begins with ports in China. It's why car production has been continually hit throughout 2020 because they source components from across the world that end up in limbo. Obviously no deal isn't great but if we're roasting rats come January then we can at least find cheer in the thought that the rest of the world has also been knocked back to the Late Bronze Age.
The big hit will be all the small businesses that bought inventory on credit which won't arrive until the debt is due.
Australian and Canadian style sound like some sort of sex lingo if you ask me. I tried googling that and now have horrific Buzzfeed cartoon sex burned into my mind.
|>>|| No. 29321
It will come to mean an island, a long way from anywhere, full of vulgar people swearing and getting fucked over by the Chinese, probably.
I am genuinely looking forward to the food shortages in January, and the promises of how GREAT Britain will be when we're all forced to grow our own vegetables again.
|>>|| No. 29322
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>I am genuinely looking forward to the food shortages in January, and the promises of how GREAT Britain will be when we're all forced to grow our own vegetables again.
The passata's on me, boys!
|>>|| No. 29323
>when we're all forced to grow our own vegetables again.
As many people as possible should be doing this anyway.
|>>|| No. 29325
No they shouldn't.
I'm shit at farming. Farmers are really good at farming. I imagine that most farmers would be shit at my job. People only doing what they're good at and paying other people to do what they're good at is the wellspring of modernity; it's why we live in warm and comfortable homes rather than caves and why we don't die of dental abscesses any more.
|>>|| No. 29326
Why not get good at farming then? The division of labour doesn't have to subdivide indefinitely. There's no fundamental reason why it should.
|>>|| No. 29327
I don't see how we're going to run out of vegetables in this country, are we also physically moving Britain to Antarctica?
|>>|| No. 29329
>Why not get good at farming then? The division of labour doesn't have to subdivide indefinitely. There's no fundamental reason why it should.
The fundamental reason why it does is that our collective knowledge and expertise is continually expanding, but our individual lifespans and capacity for learning are finite. Any time I spend on learning to eke a few vegetables out of my back garden could be spent more productively, more enjoyably or both on something else.
If you enjoy growing your own food then more power to you, but it's a hobby, not a moral virtue. The same goes for a lot of commercial farming - there's no inherent virtue to "small" and "local" when that is all too often a euphemism for "woefully inefficient". The world produces nearly twice as much food as we actually need, which is why a) you can buy potatoes for 40p a kilo, b) a lot of small farmers can't turn a profit, c) we're turning so much edible food into biodiesel and ethanol fuel and d) obesity now kills more people than hunger.
|>>|| No. 29330
So, this isn't one of those ironic making a point posts, I'd like someone just tell me how international trade works like I'm thick and don't know nowt, because I'd just blindly assumed it was all wrestling theatrics and they'd come up with a deal that disappoints everyone equally in the end.
The thing is I'm perplexed how there's been so much going off about EU being our biggest trade partner, but everything we "trade" is made in China, everyone buys everything of Amazon which is American and pretty much operates with impunity globally somehow. If I buy a guitar off Thommann, it's coming from an Indonesian manufacturer made out of Brazillian wood through a German website to my English house.
I understand there are tariffs to be applied and something about the WTO, but I understand we don't have a trade agreement with the States but that doesn't stop my local Asda having a shelf full of Twinkies. It seems to me like everything is so entangled globally that I don't even know where you'd start, does a tariff apply to the manufacturer, wholesaler, or the retailer, or the end consumer?
Have I been breaking international trade law all these years by selling my CDs to South Americans on bandcamp?
|>>|| No. 29331
Huh? Things really don't grow much here in the winter. There's a reason southern Spain is covered in polytunnels and glasshouses - even down there, the growing season isn't really 12 months a year.
Sure, you can ship stuff in from the equator and the southern hemisphere, but that's not cheap. Veg are a pain to store, so you can't just stockpile in massive chilled barns - even apples go manky by the start of the next season. If supply chains go to pieces, expect frozen veg to become the default out of season. Not the end of the world, but it'll limit your choice somewhat.
|>>|| No. 29332
>>29326 Why not get good at farming then?
The equipment costs for small scale farming make it vastly more expensive than getting a proper farmer to add 1% to his farmed area.
My 1980s tractor and haymaking gear were about £6K and to add even a crappy plough and potato harvester would be another £5K. A little old combine harvester is about £25K, and all of these cheap things are a maintenance timebomb, especially the combine.
You could, of course, go even further down the scale and plant and dig your own spuds, plant and harvest your own veg, but that's brutally hard work, you have to store your glut to last through winter, and if / when the weather fucks you, you starve. Good times. If you want even more fun, add livestock to the mix. There are very good reasons why people move out of agricultural areas to cities, even if the jobs on offer there are shit - they're still far better than subsistence farming.
You can buy dodgy Chinese agricultural gear aimed at mechanising peasant farming, or thousands of small scale Polish farmers are hanging up their boots, so if you want to start farming, go for it.
Robots and AI will make it all better.
|>>|| No. 29335
None of those reasons relate to job specialisation, they just say that farming isn't as profitable here as it is elsewhere, and not that it's not worthwhile for any other reason than capital.
|>>|| No. 29336
'just capital' is a pretty good reason for specialisation, though, isn't it? Without enough gear to achieve something worthwhile in any given field (ha), no amount of education, determination or wishing will make it so, and no man can have enough gear to do everything. I do try, but...
|>>|| No. 29337
It's peak .gs that nobody said about farming, only just growing some vegetables which you can easily do with a small back or front garden, or even just in a planter, or at an allotment even, or a small greenhouse, but collectively you took it to mean buying a tractor and plowing fields. Or do you all eat fields worth of vegetables per month?
|>>|| No. 29338
You could probably grow enough veg for a handful of meals, not to regularly sustain you.
|>>|| No. 29340
I don't think people really understand how much arable land is needed to support a person. Vertical farming is cool af tho
|>>|| No. 29341
I dunno mate, maybe the people who mentioned three acres and a cow might have some idea.
|>>|| No. 29342
>Huh? Things really don't grow much here in the winter.
>Veg are a pain to store
Might want to start explaining this stuff to the potatoes, kale, carrots etc. The apples too, will be shocked to learn that they're vegetables.
>Sure, you can ship stuff in from the equator and the southern hemisphere, but that's not cheap.
It literally is. It's been a given from the start that Britain leaving the EU's punishing tariffs will cause food prices to fall in a no deal scenario. In the short term prices will rise marginally which will either be absorbed by supermarkets or result in a few pennies more on your tomatoes.
The Netherlands isn't going to burn it's tomatoes and bananas are affordable.
|>>|| No. 29346
those things don't grow in the winter, they just don't rot in the fields if you don't pick them (which is certainly handy, compared to running chilled warehouses with an atmosphere fogged with various(ly dodgy and freshly banned) growth retardants).
Popping out every week to dig out that week's spuds and carrots is just one more reason why doing it all yourself is less efficient than letting Big Farm using Big Capital do it.
Growing some veg for fun is one thing, stopping your family starving over winter solely using stuff you've grown is a different game (and you'd better be ready for some repetetive meals and weight loss over winter).
I will be surprised to see food prices (except lamb, maybe milk) fall after a no-deal. Doubly so for fresh vegetables, where shipping from further away than Europe adds cost. Perhaps we can get Algeria to run greenhouses and desalination plants?
|>>|| No. 29349
>even apples go manky by the start of the next season.
Apples don't go bad they just turn into cider.
|>>|| No. 29355
The constant edging involved in these "negotiations" is starting to annoy me. It's obvious there isn't going to be a deal.
|>>|| No. 29358
Just you wait until they reveal the postponement-formerly-known-as-extension next week. Which to be fair isn't a bad idea as it couldn't be a worse time of year to do a no deal.
|>>|| No. 29361
Why the hell do people go to all the effort of watercooling and then not include the GPU? It's the only component that really benefits from it in comparison to aircooling.
|>>|| No. 29362
She has promised that she'll release a hardcore scene on Christmas Day, but she has form for being a piss-taking pricktease.
GPU waterblocks are expensive and most people only really do watercooling for the bling factor.
I'm surprised that the industry hasn't sorted out a better form-factor for GPUs. Hanging a huge lump of copper off a PCIe slot is obviously a crap idea, but we've been stuck with it for over a decade. We could make GPUs quieter, cooler and cheaper if they just had room to breathe, but we can't seem to break the chicken-and-egg problem.
Also, why can't I control my case fans based on GPU temperature without resorting to weird hacks?
|>>|| No. 29365
Belle Delphine is the modern equivalent of those Babestation things they used to put on the low-budget Sky channels at night to keep the bills paid. Never shows nowt, and if you've got you're brain screwed in you know they never will, but apparently someone out there is bored, desperate and horny enough to spend their phone credit on it.
(Probably my mate James when I was in high school. Randy bugger, but absolutely horrible with girls, just used to try throw his weight round to impress them, and it didn't usually get him far. I remember him telling me about hearing his mum moaning and having a wank over it. Bet he drinks a lot of Stella these days, if you know what I mean.)
|>>|| No. 29368
> Also, why can't I control my case fans based on GPU temperature without resorting to weird hacks?
A fan controller with the little sensor things would do the trick.
|>>|| No. 29369
There is an element of what Americans call the "Monday morning quarterback" about this piece, but even so it does seem largely accurate. At no point did the political demand of stopping Brexit come close to fruition and it's undeniably a huge part of why we have a Tory Party with a extremely sizable majority in Parliament now. Whether implemented by an outright reversal of the referendum (a while since I had to type that damned word) or by a wink-wink, nudge-nudge, let's get the vote right this time, Brexit Referendum 2, it wasn't popular in the least bit. Change UK and the LibDems both did horribly in the general election, from what I recall, so you can't simply say Jones is being a denialist about Corbyn's popularity because no party in opposition to Brexit did well except the SNP. The SNP, I would wager, I can't say I remember how they went about the 2019 election, were Scottish independence first, EU second.
Now, don't ever post a link to that accursed "Opinion" section ever again unless it's George Monbiot with a recipe for roadkill.
|>>|| No. 29517
We're there and we "won" bigly, lads.
>An internal government analysis of the deal set to be announced this morning scores the 65 key issues on the table during the negotiations. The government’s view is that the UK has won more than twice as many victories as the EU; with 28 UK wins (43%), 11 EU wins (17%) and 26 “mutual compromises” (40%). The chart seen by Guido describes the crucial issue of fisheries as a mutual compromise, with the UK government settling for a 5.5-year transition “during which access is fixed”.
>According to the table, the UK has won on a number of key issues, including governance/EU preconditions, technical barriers to trade, customs – trusted traders schemes, legal services, financial service and tax.
Now what the hell did we all talk about before Brexit?
|>>|| No. 29518
>>29517 gawd, I hope this is true. Although, doesn't it have to be voted on by the member states before going through? Is that a given?
And I think we can find something to talk about afterwards. Scotland's going to be whining that it's unfair on them until at least indyref2.
We've got plague 20 and plague 21 to keep us busy, with a huge circlejerk of blame, recrimination and just plain dying. Sunlit uplands ho.
|>>|| No. 29519
We've only gone and done it, lads. We've won at Brexit. All it took was for Bozza to call their bluff.
|>>|| No. 29520
>doesn't it have to be voted on by the member states before going through?
Yes, which is why we definitely haven't "won" anything, regardless of how our government tries to spin it. If we want to get a deal done by the end of the year, that deal needs to be clearly acceptable to all 27 member states in order to get signed off in the extremely narrow timeframe remaining.
|>>|| No. 29524
It'll help Boris shirk responsibility for a little while longer, which seems to be the core principle of our government.
|>>|| No. 29525
Is the deal actually good? As in are we still leaving properly.
If not, do we still have time to crash out?
|>>|| No. 29526
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>They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some dairy farmers just want to watch the world burn.
But I don't see who would block it - France has made noise about fish but the choice is a transition or no deal entirely while there's nobody else with a particular grudge over terms.
We're looking at another Tory landslide come the next election. I don't think Starmer ever had a hope of becoming PM but this seal it.
|>>|| No. 29528
I wonder if the 2021 census things will tip more voters away from Labour, seeing as the proportion of ethnic minorities will have gone up. Interestingly there are minorities themselves who get concerned by that sort of thing.
Does anyone else tire of the news cycle? Right now the Telegraph and Guardian will be poring over the trade deal, the former finding everything wonderful about it and the latter looking for everything terrible. I wish more neutral sources were available, which aren't trying to change mind by filtering all information through a prism.
|>>|| No. 29529
It seems like we're properly leaving and the deal sounds like a reasonable compromise for both parties, but the actual agreement is around 2,000 pages long and it hasn't been published yet. In other words, fuck knows but it won't stop people from claiming it's a brilliant/terrible deal depending on their pre-existing viewpoint.
|>>|| No. 29530
>there's nobody else with a particular grudge over terms
Which is precisely why we haven't "won" anything. If this deal was an improvement over our existing terms of membership, then someone on the continent would stand to lose out. Britain would be devastated by a no-deal, but it's a mere inconvenience for nearly all EU member states; there's a clear incentive for any aggrieved party to veto and let Britain squirm. The fact that nobody looks like they might block the deal suggests that either a) there are no big winners or losers in the trade deal and it's fairly close to BINO, b) it's a bad deal for Britain but nobody wants to let on or c) any EU constituents who stand to lose out will be more than generously compensated.
It's in Boris's interests to accept a deal that slyly shafts us in ways that won't become apparent for some time, because he avoids the fallout of a traumatic no-deal. If EU member states feel like they're getting one over on Britain, it's obviously in their interests to keep quiet.
For clear game theoretic reasons, this may well be an acceptable deal for Britain but there's no chance that it'll be a good deal.
|>>|| No. 29531
>I wish more neutral sources were available, which aren't trying to change mind by filtering all information through a prism.
You want the FT. They're filthy capitalists, but they're filthy capitalists whose readers want to know what's actually happening so that they can profit from it.
Not brilliant, not terrible, just a bit worse than membership. That was the only deal on offer from day one.
|>>|| No. 29532
>Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal. We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters.
|>>|| No. 29533
Does that mean we'll get £350m a week for the NHS?
Can we send them back? You know, them. You can't say anything any more, it's elf 'n' safety gone mad.
|>>|| No. 29534
Kier Keith missed an opportunity here, his take on it was that "a better deal could have been done" which makes him sound like he's still a bitter remoaner. Instead he could have rolled with a more "This deal was made possible thanks in no small part to my party's role in making sure the last crap deal didn't get through" kind of angle.
I liked him at first but he's really starting to unravel lately. You reckon his programmer has started slacking off since working from home and all that?
|>>|| No. 29540
There is that, but then if it turns out this deal is crap or some people are made worse off by it he's owning association with the deal as well. If that sort of thing crops up later, Neil Kinnock might actually wind up being right that Labour voting for the deal will be a terrible mistake by allowing the Tories to say "you voted for it!" when all the bad bits crop up.
Keith is outdated, the up and coming big name is Sphere Starmer
|>>|| No. 29606
>References to decades-old computer software are included in the new Brexit agreement, including a description of Netscape Communicator and Mozilla Mail as being "modern" services.
Blue Passports, Netscape, and all the prawns you can eat. We are truly living in a golden age lads!
Hoping they bring back Opal Fruits and put the blue flecks back in spearmint polos next.
Copy/Pasting isn't that bad until you consider that this has basically been the major Political concern for four years.
|>>|| No. 29607
REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE CALLED MARATHONS! REMEMBER! I *crying* I FUCKIN' REMEMBER!
This is what happens when culture becomes so conservative as to all but stagnate entirely
|>>|| No. 29608
People have been poring over the deal for bad news and all they've found is a copy and paste bodge? It was probably written by the people who thought using Excel for track and trace was a good idea.
If this was Twitter I'd be firing off a few zingers about this being good for the British phishing industry.
|>>|| No. 29639
> von der Leyen
Didn't the "von" denote nobility in Germany in the old days? I thought they abolished that after WWI and stripped people of their titles.
|>>|| No. 29643
How about this https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/uk-eu-agreement-parliament/
How about that N. Ireland is in the single market and the rest of the UK isn't? This threatens the break up of the union, with Scotland asking why it can't be part of the single market too.
How about the fact the 80% of the UK economy is services and it is not covered under this deal?
How about the fact that wasn't Brexit meant to be about cutting "red tape" but this deal has instead created a bunch? Notably in trading certain goods (which need certificates), travel of pets, driving abroad etc
|>>|| No. 29648
I just read up on it. Both Germany and Austria lost their distinct social class of nobility when their respective emperors abdicated after WWI, but Germans were allowed to keep their surnames and titles. Austria went a step further and by law stripped people's surnames of anything indicating nobility. In Austria, a former Count of XYZ was thereafter only Mr. XYZ.
But apparently, that loss of class status mainly hit insignificant noble families, who weren't wealthy or influential and had little more than their surname itself to distinguish themselves from the rest of the general population. Whereas the household names of Austrian higher nobility largely continued their lifestyle, even though they lost their class privileges on paper, and still form a tightly knit group today.
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