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>> No. 29826 Anonymous
6th January 2021
Wednesday 11:25 pm
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So what's all this about Americans rioting then? How come there's no American SWP representatives hanging around?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355
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>> No. 29828 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 4:25 am
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>>29826
It was both a happening and a nothingburger, as the kids call it, at the same time. A woman was tragically shot, but all the did was sniff some seats and then leave.

I get that's a big deal and the word coup isn't hyperbole here, Trump incited this mob and might very well get 25th amendment'd as a result, but I just can't bring myself to care beyond watching them collapse under the weight of their own hubris with a morbid fascination.

Pandora's box has been opened; you can't just put "Well, actually, no. You cheated!" back in the box. This will happen every 4 years now and the GoP's legislative mandate is completely fucked for at least a decade. We might very well see Biden push through gun control in the wake of a turbulent inauguration or invoke the sedition act to jail Trump and his children, supported by the majority of Republicans, in an attempt to put this fire out because he will not shut the fuck up after Jan 20th.

He'll keep holding rallies.
>> No. 29829 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:29 am
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>>29828

The irony of the Trump government being responsible for gun control legislation, even indirectly, is kind of amusing.
>> No. 29830 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:32 am
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A fair few Seppos were there with flags for the other Georgia.
>> No. 29831 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:53 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9oThRuMVs

About 43 seconds in you see her trying to climb through into the corridor before getting blasted.
>> No. 29832 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:58 am
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Trump is never going to admit he lost. His speech at the rioters was not one of you are wrong. It was 'wait for the right moment' until they make a fool of him at trial and sentence him to death there is going to be a looming threat he is going to decide 'now is the time to take our country back'
>> No. 29833 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 11:15 am
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>>29832
Trump was noticeably not mentioned in the decision not to bring in the national guard.
>> No. 29834 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 11:26 am
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>>29833
The Mayor of Washington sent a request to the Pentagon for the DC National guard to be sent in. DC national guard are controlled by Trump, and denied the request. The Mayor then asked the Governor of Virginia to send their National Guard instead
https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1346916716614451207
Six minutes later, this was posted
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1346918582832168964
>> No. 29835 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:07 pm
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>>29831
The video you linked is down but I've seen it posted elsewhere. I found it to be extremely harrowing. The vibes of the whole thing were very similar to LARPers.

In this video a sobbing woman is upset that she was maced whilst 'storming the capital' as part of 'the revolution'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7aksoPAPSM

Trump's last Tweet before he was banned was immediately deleted and said "Remember this day forever".

The insurrection(?) started an hour after Trump Tweeted an attack at Mike Pence for not supporting his bogus claims.

George Monbiot's recent article in the Guardian bears re-reading
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/11/us-trump-biden-president-elect
>It might seem strange to note that the US was lucky to get Trump, but it was, in this respect: while he is power-mad and entirely lacking in conscience and empathy, he is also impetuous and incompetent, and failed to follow a clear programme. In other words, he was a hopeless wannabe dictator. He was also unfortunate: were it not for the pandemic, he might have won again. But he has blazed a trail for someone more effective: someone with Trump’s absence of moral constraint, but with a determined programme and a cold, strategic mind. If Biden fails to break the political consensus, in 2024 he could open the door to a competent autocrat.
>> No. 29836 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:11 pm
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I'm just glad that America has the Pandemic under control and it's not like Hospitals are turning away heart attack patients in LA or anything, so they will be well able to manage what is almost certainly a superspreader event.
>> No. 29837 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:19 pm
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>>29835
You've got to be a special kind of stupid to try and break into a corridor with this waiting for you at the other end. They genuinely seem to have the mentality that the police wouldn't resist them because the police should only target other people. The LARPing during protesting of people screaming things like "MEDIC!" really is something else.
>> No. 29838 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:20 pm
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The woman who was shot in that video was ex-military and very into QAnon conspiracies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ashli-babbitt-tweeted-qanon-and-trump-conspiracies-before-capitol-death-2021-1?r=US&IR=T


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2UmS4i69Q
How is this not incitement of a riot?
>> No. 29839 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:26 pm
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This was his last throw.
People are apparently resigning in droves and he's locked himself in the Oval office.
>> No. 29840 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:30 pm
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These people are on some bicmaeral mind shit, I'm telling you. Look me in the eye and tell me they're capable on self-reflection or questioning, indeed any kind of rationality at all. One could draw parallels between these actions and the summer's BLM protests, but the fundemental difference is that there was a basis in reality for what occured then, whereas this is all make believe. There was no ballot dumping or fake votes delivered by Ferrari fronted convoy, no threat of imminent Muslamo-Communist takeover, just the election of a fairly bland old man with nary a radical bone in his body.
>> No. 29841 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:35 pm
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>>29838
u wot m8?
>> No. 29842 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:38 pm
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>>29841
Fresh off the boat
Wet behind the ears
When he's first banned
There'll be floods of tears
>> No. 29843 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:39 pm
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Was hooked on a multifeed of people streaming from inside the riots last night, it was absolutely bizarre and just fucking hilarious, I guarantee there's going to be comedic gold coming from the footage for weeks to come. Also can you really call it storming? It was more like they fatly waddling into the capitol, the police even let them in then treated them with kid gloves the entire time. If this had been BLM there'd be bodies littering the steps.
>> No. 29844 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:45 pm
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>>29843
Matt Christman of Chapotraphouse is saying they let them do this because the mob is throwing a tantrum about a celebrity they like, whereas the BLM movement was looking for a fundamental structural change to the status quo [maybe].

I'm getting insta posts from American friends and apparently the Q folks have already integrated this into their narrative. The protestors were antifa hired by Soros. The people who died are crisis actors. This was all orchestrated by the Deep State to give them carte blanche to do Totalitarianism.

It is weirdly ironic that this political movement is so weird and incongruous that when the kind of people who create this sort of spectacle watch it on the news and are like 'no way that's real' and so double down on the magical thinking.
>> No. 29845 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:45 pm
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>> No. 29846 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 12:59 pm
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>>29835

I want to find this funny in how she just identified and implicated herself in sedition or whatever it is as though nothing will come of it but she's right, she won't be punished for that.
>> No. 29847 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:02 pm
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And just think, it's only January. Shame I can no longer find the one of the protestor smoking a big fat biff on some congressman's desk.
>> No. 29848 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:04 pm
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>>29844
I read somewhere that you can tell whether they were Antifa or genuine patriots by whether they turned their MAGA caps back to front.
>> No. 29849 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:06 pm
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>>29835

>in 2024 he could open the door to a competent autocrat

That may be, but on the other hand, Hitler, for one, was not a competent autocrat as such, even though he oversaw the most pernicious autocracy in modern history. He had been a failure at virtually everything he attempted as a career in his adult life, and at one time lived literally on a few quid a week that he was making from selling hand painted tourist postcards.

What he did have was the gift of the gab and a talent to win over people with a preexisting grudge at public speaking events. And he came in at a time when the German people were still reeling from the disgrace of a lost world war, and had a lack of emotional investment in the first-ever democracy on German soil that they felt was forced on them in an act of victor's justice. Voting for the Nazi party was a form of protest to many, it was their chance to stick it to the newly emerged, unloved political system.

In America, on the other hand, I believe there are still well enough people who, even if they are Republican supporters, will not stand for this, who deeply believe in American democracy, and they will realise that things have gone too far now. Add to that more than half of voters who very convincingly gave Biden a majority, and there is much hope that even a wannabe autocrat cut from the same cloth as Trump but decidedly more cunning will have a hard time taking over. The checks and balances and the safeguards in the American government system against an autocratic revolution are much greater than they were during the Weimar Republic.
>> No. 29850 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:06 pm
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Same energy.
>> No. 29851 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:07 pm
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>>29848
It's important to have signals like that so you can tell apart the people who are all behaving in exactly the same manner.
>> No. 29852 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:09 pm
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Trump's a madman, along with the most fanatical of his supporters, but I can't help but wonder what the media reaction would have been if the BLM lot had pulled a similar stunt. CNN and The Guardian would most likely be cumming in their pants with glee at "a fierce display of defiance from oppressed people of colour against our systemically racist government", images of activists doing Black Power salutes in the Senate chambers would get billions of views on Instagram and the protagonists would be propelled to MLK/Rosa Parks levels of fame and become instant icons, Biden would commend the protests and DAs would decline to press charges "in the interests of justice". A lot of the faux-outrage from the Yank left, who now seem to care about law and order all of a sudden after months of gleefully cheering on riots and similar attacks against Federal buildings, seems to be rooted in their disgust that their opponents are finally using their own tactics against them. "Political violence is only bad when their lot do it, when we do it it's righteous anger!" might as well be their mantra.
>> No. 29853 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:17 pm
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>>29850
He was able to walk out of the building, with some of Nancy Pelosi's mail, without being arrested.
>> No. 29854 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:20 pm
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>>29852
>"Political violence is only bad when their lot do it, when we do it it's righteous anger!" might as well be their mantra.
You know, there is a BLM mantra that has emerged from this. I think it's "You're a both-sidesing tosspot" or something like that.
>> No. 29855 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:20 pm
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>>29852
Entitled (in some cases armed) conspiracy theorists trying to do insurrection at the state capital because they object to the outcome of an election isn't exactly the same as people doing civil disobedience to protest civil rights issues born of slavery though is it lad?

I don't recall seeing Grauniad articles frothing about how good CHAZ was, but maybe I'm mistaken.

Stop doing culture war. You are ruining everything.
>> No. 29856 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:23 pm
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>>29852
Well, no, you clearly don't read CNN or The Guardian because that's not the tone of a single line of their news reporting ever, Biden largely ignored the summer's protests and as I stated in an earlier post ITT what BLM were protesting was real, the grievences of the pro-Trump people are all imaginary. Beyond glass being broken it's not really the same thing at all.
>> No. 29857 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:25 pm
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>>29855>>29855

Ah yes, today I learned "civil disobedience" means 6 months of rioting, looting, burning, destroying businesses, dragging people out of cars and beating them and trying to burn down court houses, all because a career criminal methhead OD'd while getting arrested. You woke types can't stop playing the victim even when the entire global media is sucking you off relentlessly, it's a joke.
>> No. 29858 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:27 pm
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>>29854

Ah yes, typical ad hominem attack from an irate wokeist, why don't you go and take a knee for your Saint Georgie Gud Boi who Dindu Nuffin and cry about how oppressed you are while the entire global media sucks you off.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 29859 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:28 pm
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>>29857
What?
>> No. 29860 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:30 pm
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>>29858
Blimey lads we've got a live one, and he seems to have a bit of an oral fixation.
>> No. 29861 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:33 pm
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>>29860
I wonder what his stance on novelty hats is.
>> No. 29862 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:33 pm
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>>29856

> the grievences of the pro-Trump people are all imaginary

No, they aren't really. At least not universally. A lot of people who voted for Trump were part of the disenfranchised rural white male working class who had seen their jobs and their social status dwindle away in recent years. They were one of the blind spots of Obama's presidency, where the proclaimed focus in domestic policy was more on diversity and gender equality.

It's easy to say it's all Trump's fault for inciting them. And much of it is, without a doubt. But you have to ask where some of those people were coming from four years ago, and a lot of them actually were able to get back into work during the Trump boom years, so what do you think who the average flag waving, white trash, white male redneck is going to thank for that.
>> No. 29863 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:39 pm
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>>29862

Oh stop it. These are the people who Obama wanted to provide better quality of life for who were too stupid, gullible, arrogant and vain to vote in their own self-interest because they think they are pending millionares.
>> No. 29864 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:40 pm
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So it begins.

Why do we never get any of the exciting stuff over here? Americans have all the fun.
>> No. 29865 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:47 pm
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>>29858

Hey so here's a thing, weird shibboleth insults you picked up from whatever insular 4chan-esque community you got them from tend to fall a bit flat when you try to insult people who don't know or care what you're trying to say.
>> No. 29866 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:50 pm
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>>29849
>That may be, but on the other hand, Hitler, for one, was not a competent autocrat as such, even though he oversaw the most pernicious autocracy in modern history. He had been a failure at virtually everything he attempted as a career in his adult life, and at one time lived literally on a few quid a week that he was making from selling hand painted tourist postcards.

It's odd to find myself defending Hitler but I don't see how that's unusual. You could do worse than spending your 20s being a drifter trying to break into art while recklessly spending all your money at the opera. If anything that's what you're supposed to be doing.

This criticism always reads like the typical finger-wagging from squares that tells you a lot more about how they've wasted their own life.
>> No. 29867 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:53 pm
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>>29866

Gosh I never spent any money at the opera, have I wasted my twenties?
>> No. 29868 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 1:56 pm
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>>29862
Mate, the people who can afford to fuck off to Washington DC for a few days, dress up like Andy the Army Man and buy every Trump nick-nack they can find aren't the "disenfranchised rural white male working class" (which isn't really how class works, but alright), these are a bunch of weekend warriors hopped up on conspiracies about Satanic carpet-bagger cults and election rigging. I'm not saying there aren't deep seated economic issues in American society that enabled Trump's victory, but these people are the American dream come true, they've got everything they want.
>> No. 29869 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:06 pm
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>>29867
It's worth a go if you can stomach the outrageous ticket prices these days. Give an accessible production like H.M.S. Pinafore a go.


But it's more about that you do what you want to do.
>> No. 29870 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:09 pm
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>>29864
I think there's a few reasons:-

- We're too polite to people's faces. You won't see British people doing something brash and in your face like covering your car in bumper stickers saying things like "Tories are scum" or a t-shirt emblazoned with "A vote for Labour is a vote for hepatitis" in huge letters. We'd rather just tut.

- People are just wearily resigned to things gradually getting worse over time. Nobody wants to make a scene by protesting and if they have to take a few days off unpaid for it then they're worried they might not be able to cover the mortgage. Protesting in this country kind of died with the invasion of Iraq.

- Nobody can agree on what they'd want as an alternative. Jeremy pissing Corbyn could have used the momentum he'd build up to launch a massive drive to encourage people to unionise and organise for better working conditions, but he was too focused on empty gestures rather than action that could have actually made a difference.
>> No. 29871 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:17 pm
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Hitler was only going to the Opera because BTS didn't exist yet.
>> No. 29872 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:20 pm
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>>29866

My actual point was that autocrats are rarely career politicians who have worked their way up all their lives through the ranks before they suddenly usurped power, either through a coup or a democratic election. I'm not sure how you are going to define "competence" in this respect, but it doesn't normally have to mean actual political competence.

You can be a quite incompetent autocrat if you make up for your lack of true leadership with ruthlessness and a talent to influence people in all the wrong ways.

What became Trump's downfall was that in a certain way, the stars had aligned against him. In a country like the U.S., you can't just quell BLM protests by sending in a few National Guard units. And in a global pandemic that leaves hundreds of thousands of your countrymen dead, you can't pretend it's just a flu and willfully ignore all that's going on.

All that doesn't mean that Trump doesn't have the chops for a true autocrat. The time just wasn't right for him to really come into his own.
>> No. 29874 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:48 pm
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>>29866

Also, calling Hitler a "drifter" trying to break into art kind of unjustly puts him in the same category as some Millennial who spends his days editing his youtube videos in an artisan coffee shop using their free wi fi.

That image would only be true if that youtubing, wi fi mooching Millennial was also a glowing nationalist with a psychotic hatred against Jews.
>> No. 29875 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 2:53 pm
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>>29874
Also a millennial layabout just doesn't have Hitler's work ethic.
>> No. 29877 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 3:19 pm
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>>29857

Ah yes, "reapers", the immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in darkspace. We have dismissed this claim.
>> No. 29878 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 3:46 pm
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>> No. 29880 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 4:57 pm
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I took a lass to see 'The Magic Flute' Opera once and didn't know how racist it was beforehand, the girl was asian and I sat in horror as I read the subtitles they projected so you could understand what the characters were saying. I apologised afterwards, but it quickly became apparent that she wasn't reading the subtitles and missed all the racism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEE7VvOEpG4
>> No. 29881 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 5:03 pm
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>>29880

Shocker. Racism in the work of an Austrian.
>> No. 29882 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 5:10 pm
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>>29880

I don't get it, what's racist about that clip.
>> No. 29883 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 5:22 pm
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>>29882
Yeah I realised after I posted that this was a sanitized version of it. This character is a villain called Monostatos, and most of his villainy seems to stem from the fact that he is black and likes to sleep with white women. The production I saw didn't change the songs or the dialogue from the original.

Incidentally, the production I saw was put on by
Kosky's Komische Oper Berlin and it was very cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vGkEB3_z-o
>> No. 29884 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 5:45 pm
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-congressman-tests-positive-covid-154956503.html
>U.S. Congressman Tests Positive for COVID Hours After Attending Electoral College Vote in Person
>> No. 29885 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 5:59 pm
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>>29855
>>29854

Now we're getting into it aren't we.

"But it was different when we did it!" isn't the point. As far as the establishment cares, you're a troublemaker just the same. Stop buying into the culture war narrative- You are not on the opposite side to these people, they are disenfranchised members of the proletariat just the same as the people rioting for BLM were. You have simply been misled in a polarised direction, because that's exactly what the people in charge actually want, and look how well it's working.

Take the blinkers off and look how well it's working. Twitter and the like is flooding with outrage that only four people were killed during this incident as if that means the police weren't hard enough, same people who have been yelling about abolishing the police all summer long.

Just ask yourself. Who do you think benefits from all this? The average American knows something is deeply wrong with their country, but there are two giant cultural honeypots waiting to safely capture their anger and frustration and direct it in an entirely harmless direction. For one side it's at the abstract, intangible concept of white supremacy, and for the other it's some ever changing tinfoil hat paranoia. Both sides think the other is entirely responsible for their grievances and neither will ever acheive any meaningful impact or change.

This is all very frustrating. People really do treat politics like supporting a sports team, and completely flip their attitudes to something they would be condemning when their side does it. Things are only going to get worse in this country the more time we spend gazing longingly across the pond and importing their fucking mentally stunted political discourse.
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7th January 2021
Thursday 6:45 pm
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>>29835
>In this video a sobbing woman is upset that she was maced whilst 'storming the capital' as part of 'the revolution'

She was actually walking around with an onion in a towel and rubbing that in her eyes to give off the impression of being maced.
>> No. 29888 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 6:49 pm
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>>29887

Does that work? I'm going to try.
>> No. 29889 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 6:53 pm
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>>29888
Evidently so. Watch the video again and notice how blatant the onion is. Blatant onions!

https://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1346919171595137025
>> No. 29890 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:06 pm
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>>29889

HOLY SHIT

Also, who wears a keyboard scarf?

Clearly a Deep State Operative.

Maybe it's an emotional support onion bigot
>> No. 29891 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:18 pm
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>>29887
This is also a good trick if you ever need to cry on demand in social situations, like to gain sympathy.
>> No. 29892 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:23 pm
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>>29885

>Take the blinkers off and look how well it's working. Twitter and the like is flooding with outrage that only four people were killed during this incident as if that means the police weren't hard enough, same people who have been yelling about abolishing the police all summer long.

That's not really what's been happening - see >>29854 for reference.
>> No. 29894 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:36 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBF_Fin5KE
All the world's a stage
>> No. 29895 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:49 pm
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>>29892

... It's exactly what that is though.
>> No. 29896 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 7:52 pm
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>>29895

Oh, sorry, your obnoxious ellipses changed my mind. You're right, twitter is full of people who wanted more people to die, rather than questioning why so fewer did than in similar events where the people were different colours.
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7th January 2021
Thursday 7:55 pm
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>>29896

You're still not listening. Four people were killed. The underlying assumption of "you don't shoot them" is demonstrably false. They do shoot them.

People are lapping up the culture war where it's two sides of the people versus each other, when it's only ever been the establishment against the people.
>> No. 29899 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:03 pm
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Much as I am shocked at the events just like anybody, CNN right now is being the usual liberal soap box where they aren't so much reporting the actual news as they are icessantly blabbering into their own echo chamber, using news soundbites solely to corroborate their points wherever it suits them.

If I was a dyed in the wool Republican supporter, this would only make me hate Liberals more. This is not how you make people at that end of the spectrum realise how fucked in the head they are for worshipping Trump the way they do.
>> No. 29900 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:07 pm
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>>29897
>The underlying assumption of "you don't shoot them" is demonstrably false
That might be because that's only the underlying assumption if you take it out of context. It says "you don't shoot them like you shoot us". In the same manner, in the same number, for the same reasons. Like. "You don't make love to me like you used to" does not mean "You don't make love to me", despite you misreading that into it.
>> No. 29902 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:21 pm
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>>29900

So in other words, they're outraged that only four people were killed, which is exactly what I said.

I never suggested they want more people killed, because I know that isn't what they want. But they are still spinning it to suit their narrative, in the same way that you're reading that inference into my argument when it isn't there.

Do you have figures to hand of how many people were killed in the black lives matter protests? Let's compare apples to apples if we really want to put it to bed. Those went on all summer so I'd imagine it's many more than four, but even then this line of reasoning reads like "as long as you only kill four people per protest we're even." If four people were killed in a single afternoon here, how many would have died in a sustained movement?
>> No. 29903 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:22 pm
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>>29902
>So in other words, they're outraged that only four people were killed, which is exactly what I said.
I suspect you may be retarded.
>> No. 29904 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:28 pm
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>>29897

>Four people were killed.

One was killed, three keeled over of their own accord.

Normally in these situations you'd say "imagine if it was the other way around", but we don't have to imagine. When BLM arrived in DC, they were met by police in full riot gear and the National Guard. When a heavily armed mob of Trump supporters turned up, the police were taking selfies with them. However you slice it, the disparity in policing speaks for itself.
>> No. 29905 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 8:31 pm
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>>29904

Yes, but if you look at what lots of BLM are saying on twitter and pretend it means the opposite, then both sides.
>> No. 29906 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:03 pm
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>>29904

I wonder if it would have been a different matter were Biden already sitting comfortably in the White House, rather than it being the final days of Trump's administration?
>> No. 29907 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:08 pm
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You can snark about both sides all you want, but >>29885 is absolutely right. The culture war acheives nothing and never will.
>> No. 29908 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:10 pm
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>>29904

>When a heavily armed mob of Trump supporters turned up, the police were taking selfies with them.

They also literally stepped aside to let them in.

>>29907

What if the state appears to be warring against a specific culture?
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7th January 2021
Thursday 9:17 pm
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>>29908

Then that might be a different matter, except it isn't. The state is pulling the strings to pit two sides of the populace against one another while the billionaires kick back and laugh at everyone.
>> No. 29910 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:17 pm
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>>29907

Maybe, but he's on some completely batshit mental gymnastics to get there.
>> No. 29911 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:41 pm
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>>29885
>Twitter and the like is flooding with outrage
Piss off you daft cunt, do not spill actual human shit on the floor and call it a citation. If you want to talk about Twitter fuck off onto Twitter.

As I've stated three times now, the BLM protests were about a real issue with visible consquences. These Trumpoids are protesting against Satanists in government and imaginary election rigging, this is not Les Miserables, we are not witnessing the cry of a forgotten underclass nor are they griping about a lack of COVID relief or arguing for any kind of shake up to who is served best by the American economic system. This is not the other side of the coin we are looking at, it is a derranged and irrational ideology with few ideas based in reality outside of worshipping Trump. Ideas like the "Great Replacement" and Barrack Obama being a secret Islamist are commonplace, this is not the natural counter position to a $15 minimum wage and having to wear a mask during a pandemic.
>> No. 29912 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 9:41 pm
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>>29909
That hasn't really been the case in America. Ever. The state has always been at war with African Americans, with the support of "poor" white people.
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7th January 2021
Thursday 10:07 pm
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>>29911

Not a single person in this thread has given credence to their claims and you're predictably missing the point. You're exactly the kind of person >>29885 was talking about and he's right.
>> No. 29917 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:15 pm
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>>29912

No lad, no it hasn't.

The American state had complete and utter dominion over black people for the longest time. It wasn't a war because there was no enemy. Furthermore, the emancipation of black people, when it finally happened, was not a struggle hard fought and won by humanitarian progressives, it was a cynical and calculated move by capital. Poor white people (I'm not sure why you felt the need for quotation marks) have always been kept in their place by the fear that they could end up like the black people.

You need to learn some history and stop being such a bloody limp liberal bellend. It has only ever been class war. It will only ever be class war. Class really is what it all comes down to, every time.
>> No. 29918 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:26 pm
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>>29911
>the BLM protests were about a real issue with visible consquences

The BLM protests were a distraction. Police brutality in America is now seen as a "black issue" rather than an issue affecting everyone. Sage because we discussed this enough in other threads.
>> No. 29919 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:42 pm
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>>29917

Yeah? Well you're like school in July.

No class.
>> No. 29920 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:49 pm
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>>29917
Yes, I'm pretty sure the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed into law with no protests or bloodshed. It was all them capitalists that done it. There is no class in the US. Just a bunch of tribes.
>> No. 29922 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 10:57 pm
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The scariest thing to me is that there are people completely indoctrinated by this weird fucking cult, and whilst sure they may not be a majority there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of them. I'm really struggling to put into words what's so insidious about it, but it's the constant thing of despite their being 500+ 'days of reckoning' promised by 'Q' these people are undeterred, if not strengthened by that.

It's not entirely different to religious doomsday cults but they don't tend to have the implicit support of the US president and police force. It seems that the truly insane have also latched onto it - it makes sense as Q swallows up other conspiracies and brings them into the fold. Take the comments on this video, for example:



It's fucking terrifying that people are so dangerously wrong and nobody is stopping them.
>> No. 29924 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 11:10 pm
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>>29920

>There is no class in the US. Just a bunch of tribes.

Almost- There is no perception of class in the US, because it's all this nonsense. This tribalism is exactly what the establishment wants.

If the American people actually understood their social hierarchy, there would be a very real and dangerous possibility of them standing up in solidarity with one another, white man alongside black, and enacting meaningful material change.
>> No. 29925 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 11:21 pm
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>>29922
>It's fucking terrifying that people are so dangerously wrong and nobody is stopping them.

As you've said, it's more an amalgamation of different conspiracy groups and there's little consistent platform other than there's a bunch of pedos in government. Tinfoil with friends. In a way I think it's the level of disproportionate attention they've gotten which has led to a self-fulfilling prophesy and it's sustainability because it would easily implode under normal circumstances.

Fuck 'anybody stopping them' though, that sounds far more dangerous than a bunch of people with mental issues storming a government building so they can stand around confused and go home. The US has yet to reach the point of division and conflict it saw in the 1970s and I doubt it will.
>> No. 29927 Anonymous
7th January 2021
Thursday 11:30 pm
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>>29924
I'd add to your point that the Civil Rights Act also raised the rights of women - a feature either added precisely to defeat the bill by relying on sexism or one that attacked union the voting bases from political rivals.

Politics innit.
>> No. 29929 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 9:28 am
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It's funny because nobody was really arguing "culture war" stuff in the thread until the both side guy came in hallucinating about it.
>> No. 29930 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 9:32 am
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The fact they had bombs and equipment for trying up hostages seems to be getting overlooked for "they wore goofy outfits and posed for selfies while dicking around."
>> No. 29931 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:01 am
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>>29843
>Also can you really call it storming? It was more like they fatly waddling into the capitol, the police even let them in

I wish people would stop saying this superficial bollocks for a zingy hot take. Watch this from about 20:40 to 21:10 for the scale of what the police were actually up against.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U
>> No. 29932 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:06 am
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>>29931
>I wish people would stop saying this superficial bollocks for a zingy hot take.
They're not, they're referring to this.

I don't think the fault lies with the officers on the gate though, between the three of them they didn't have much choice. The rioters were absolutely "let in" in the sense that the police knew this was coming and someone on the chain of command stopped them from preparing effectively.
>> No. 29933 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:28 am
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>>29929

Well, sorry to spoil your circlejerk lad. Were you getting close?

I do have a bit of a denial fetish though so nah not actually sorry.
>> No. 29934 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:31 am
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>>29933

The absence of a circlejerk? You're still not making any coherent sense.
>> No. 29935 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:45 am
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>>29932
There was a gate just around the corner on the steps from there which had already been breached so they didn't have a choice. However, that doesn't suit the narrative.
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8th January 2021
Friday 11:00 am
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>>29935
>However, that doesn't suit the narrative.
Now you're being dishonest, implying that there was a large police presence that was overwhelmed. The DC Police Chief has admitted there weren't enough police there, due to there being no intelligence to suggest this would happen. Despite all the evidence saying it would happen. That's his excuse, anyway.
>> No. 29937 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:06 am
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>>29932
DC authorities knew it was coming, so put in a request to mobilise the National Guard. Unlike the states, they can't just make it happen, it has to go through the federal government. The request was denied. In the end, the governors of Virginia and Maryland put their state police and NG on standby, but weren't able to actually deploy until it became an imminent danger (again, they'd have needed permission from the federal government to do so otherwise).

Trump hung them out to dry. DCNG were eventually deployed on orders from Pence and the Secretary of Defense, who presumably saw the writing on the wall, but gave the cover story of "POTUS was unreachable".
>> No. 29938 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:10 am
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>>29937
Then why did the DC Police Chief go on record afterwards saying they had no intelligence suggesting this would happen? That seems to contradict your version of events.
>> No. 29939 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:12 am
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>>29936

There's no way they didn't know.
>> No. 29940 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:15 am
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>>29939
Absolutely, so why is he lying about the reason for the police not being appropriately prepared?
>> No. 29941 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:27 am
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>>29940

Because "we knew but didn't do anything about it" would make him look a bit silly.
>> No. 29942 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:31 am
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>>29938
Because all cops are lying bastards.
>> No. 29944 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 1:12 pm
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>>29938

Because you don't normally have angry mobs breaking into parliament buildings often enough to warrant heightened caution.

Capitol police were probably trained and prepared to pin down one or two people with suspicious items in their rucksacks at the visitors entrance, but when you have hundreds of quite agitated looking people coming towards you and breaking and entering through doors and windows, then that's likely not a scenario that was included in your monthly safety drill.

They're probably going to ramp up security now and train for this kind of scenario in the future.
>> No. 29945 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 1:26 pm
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>>29944

Please read the earlier posts in this reply string and check that what you're saying makes sense contextually.
>> No. 29950 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 2:54 pm
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>>29944
To be honest it might not have been a complete failure of a decision even if taken for the wrong reasons. Rather than risking a fight with (possibly) armed fanatics intent on starting a civil war you let them in to wonder around bewildered for a bit in an evacuated building and beat the stragglers while your plain clothes can note the troublemakers. Maybe not a strategy you could use with BLM or a WTO protest but a creative solution.

The building is symbolic but is still just a building. The end result has clearly turned America decisively against them and caused Trump to surrender his credibility. Meanwhile a silly meme post I can't use here has pointed out that the people who bought all this shit are now trapped in Washington DC because the airlines won't fly them home and the police are hunting them after an officer died while their online communities have posted their picture and labelled them gay antifa false-flaggers.
>> No. 29957 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 4:14 pm
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>>29950
Given that these people believed the police were on their side, you probably wouldn't need a cover to get in amongst them. Just need to make sure you don't broadcast the "colour of the day".
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8th January 2021
Friday 5:10 pm
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>Man died at U.S. Capitol after accidentally tasering himself and having a heart attack
>> No. 29965 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 5:45 pm
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>>29961
You can't make this shit up.
>> No. 29967 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 6:31 pm
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>>29961
In the bollocks while trying to steal a painting no less.
>> No. 29969 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 7:50 pm
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>>29961
That's almost Darwin award territory.
>> No. 29976 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:00 pm
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>>29969

Only if he never had offspring. Removing yourself from the gene pool only really counts if you didn't pass on your genes beforehand.
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8th January 2021
Friday 10:19 pm
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>> No. 29978 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:23 pm
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>The man photographed sitting at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's desk during Wednesday's riots in the US Capitol has been arrested and charged with three federal counts, including theft of public property, federal officials said Friday.

>Federal officials said Richard Barnett of Arkansas was taken into custody Friday morning in Little Rock.



How did he think this was not going to happen when he decided to post pictures of himself all over the Internet in Nancy Pelosi's chair.


I actually sat in Bill Clinton's old chair once in his old office inside the Little Rock state capitol, back when he was U.S. President. As part of their guided visitors tour, they let you sit in it and take pictures. Same amount of fun, zero jail time.
>> No. 29979 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:23 pm
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>>29977
Ok now this is actually funny.
>> No. 29980 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:30 pm
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>>29977
I think they're all like this, from the sounds of it.

>"Nothing Will Stop Us," Tweeted Woman Before She Was Shot Dead At Capitol

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/nothing-will-stop-us-womans-last-tweet-before-being-shot-in-capitol-2348874
>> No. 29981 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:36 pm
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>> No. 29982 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:44 pm
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>>29977
Irony is dead.
>> No. 29983 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:47 pm
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>>29980
>I think they're all like this, from the sounds of it.

They make the Muslamic Rayguns look rational in comparison.
>> No. 29984 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 10:52 pm
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It's actually something I've noticed with narcissists I know IRL. I call it "The Opposite Game" when my sister tries it.

>I'm going to storm the capitol and force the rightful winner of the election to let the loser stay in power. Stop the steal!

>I'm going to fight and even kill police who try to stop me. Blue lives matter!

>I was trampled to death. Don't tread on me!

>I never got the belt and you did. You were dad's favourite!
>> No. 29985 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:41 pm
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>>29983
I think rayguns lad was off his head on some form of drugs. The woman who was shot was off her head on QAnon bollocks.

https://twitter.com/BlueGhost40_/status/1347143803187179527
>> No. 29986 Anonymous
8th January 2021
Friday 11:43 pm
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>>29985
Glad she's dead. Sorry, not sorry.
>> No. 29987 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:31 am
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Donnie has new been permanently banned from Twitter.
>> No. 29988 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:35 am
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>>29987
Good. Fuck the cunt and fuck anyone still defending him at this juncture. Fuck their families too. Fuck their friends.
>> No. 29989 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:38 am
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>>29987

This is an almost comical example of too little too late. I hope twitter get exactly zero praise for banning him merely 11 days before he leaves office. They've squeezed all the juice out of him they could.
>> No. 29990 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:45 am
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When Benito Mussolini started ranting about how "the right" had taken over fascism and ruined it's original message of freedom and togetherness (yes, he really said this) it was more than 11 days before he was gone forever.
>> No. 29991 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:50 am
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>>29987
I hate the way they nuke banned accounts. All those Tweets, lost like tears in the rain.
>> No. 29992 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:28 am
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>>29985
Why do nutbags love doing videos where they rant into their phone while in a car so much?

>>29987
Just like when the USSR fell and America didn't have well defined enemy to stand against, or when the Wire crew brought down DeAngelo Barksdale, banning Trump from Twitter will ultimately unleash forces we don't understand and can't control. Where will Libs direct all their hatred now? Who will conservative morons rally around? I sense a disturbance in the force.

>>29991
https://www.thetrumparchive.com/

Send me 1 BTC and I'll send you the link to Trump's new Onlyfans account. Patriot's only.
>> No. 29993 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:29 am
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>>29991

Would there have been a way to download them all to save them for posterity?
>> No. 29996 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:56 am
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>>29993
https://factba.se/topic/twitter
>> No. 29997 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 2:05 am
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>> No. 29998 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 2:23 am
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>>29997
I hope it was very painful and I hope he's burning forever in hell right about now.
>> No. 29999 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:20 am
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>>29998
You sound like a delightful, well-liked person who doesn't have serious mental issues.
>> No. 30000 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:31 am
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>>29999
>why can't you just be nicer to people who proudly want you dead?

Fuck off m9. Let him burn until the day I join him, then maybe I'll come back and post about how you were right after all but I doubt it.
>> No. 30001 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:39 am
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Nothing wrong with having "serious mental issues" by the way. It tells you nothing about the moral value of a person. Wanting to murder politicians for letting blacks and gays have the vote does but let's pretend they are equivalent, there's nothing mental about that.

Glad that cunt is dead. Even gladder he died in a spectacularly painful and ironic way. I don't just hope he suffered. I hope he suffered BADLY.
>> No. 30002 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 7:26 am
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>>29999

Fuck off nazi, I hope you die in pain too.
>> No. 30003 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 8:19 am
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>>29992
>Why do nutbags love doing videos where they rant into their phone while in a car so much?

It shows that they're real people telling it like it is.

If Tommy Robinson was ranting about how the white working class are maligned it wouldn't be as effective if he was filming himself doing so in his massive house. The same reason Are Nige loves a pint of beer as a prop to make him seem relatable.
>> No. 30004 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 9:05 am
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>>30003
It's also to do with these sorts of people loving the sound of their own voice, or probably having ADHD and being unable to concentrate on driving.
>> No. 30007 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 9:20 am
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>>29992

Trump will remain the great enemy for many years to come I think. I won't be surprised is they start referring to him as things like He Who Must Not Be Named and You Know Who.
>> No. 30008 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 9:51 am
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>>30007
Don't. Seppos are already bad enough for equating Trump with Voldemort because they can only view things through the lens of Harry Potter.
>> No. 30010 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:04 pm
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Average American's bookshelf.
>> No. 30012 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 12:15 pm
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>>30010
"Don't call yourself a liberal unless you've read theory."
>> No. 30015 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:28 pm
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>>30010
That's great, where is it from?
>> No. 30017 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:39 pm
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>>30015
It'll be either r/readanotherbook or r/bookscirclejerk
>> No. 30018 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 1:53 pm
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>>30010
Needs more plastic figurines.
>> No. 30020 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 2:19 pm
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>>30018
>plastic figurines
Funkos are the problem. There's no need to tar all the lads with respectable Japanese animation merchandise collections with the same brush.
>> No. 30021 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 2:46 pm
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>>30020
>Funkos are the problem.
Not specifically.
>> No. 30022 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 2:48 pm
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>>30021
I hate myself for thinking the Buster Sword is pretty cool

Funko Pops are the actual worst. Did you see the guy who had a contract with his wife about how many he could buy a year?
>> No. 30025 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:05 pm
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Most of those books look like they've never been read. What's the actual point?
>> No. 30026 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 3:27 pm
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>>30025
I'm guessing the mugs have never been drunk from, the sword has never been used to kill anyone and presumably the portal gun doesn't work; they all have the same purpose.
>> No. 30027 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 4:38 pm
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>>30025
Why would anyone have books in their home beyond those they're using?


Because they're decorative and guests will judge you based on the selection or even use them as conversation pieces.
>> No. 30028 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 4:47 pm
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>>30027
That or maybe you might want to read them again and it would be a bit weird to give books away then buy them again every time. Or maybe you like being able to see them because just the sight of the spine is a good cue for your memory to recall the contents.

People who think the only purpose of keeping books around is for other people to look at are saying more about their own reading habits than anything else.
>> No. 30029 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 4:54 pm
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>>30028
Don't lie to us, nobody rereads books on anything like a regular basis. You might have one or two books you will return to over a 5 year period but those will be exceptional and represent a conscious choice to not read something new when it's likely you could read a great book every day of your life with a little luck.
>> No. 30030 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 4:58 pm
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>>30029
Yes, but you don't know which books you will or won't reread in advance. The second part of what I said also still applies.
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9th January 2021
Saturday 5:05 pm
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>>30029
I reread books all the time, because I get depressed when I spend money on a book I don't like. As a result, I usually wait until my mate brings one over and gushes about it before I'll read new stuff and if I like it I'll buy the next one myself.

There aren't many Authors I'll trust at name value, but Brandon Sanderson and Lee Child haven't written anything that's made me sad for spending money.
>> No. 30032 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:19 pm
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>>30028
>People who think the only purpose of keeping books around is for other people to look at are saying more about their own reading habits than anything else.

What about people who take photographs of their bookshelves to show other people, particularly when just about every book they own is in immaculate condition and appears to have never been opened?
>> No. 30033 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:24 pm
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>>30032
This might blow your mind right, bear with me, but people who collect books buy one for display and one to read. People's bookshelves vs people's bedside cabinets are a bold contrast on dog eared tomes with bent spines, coffee rings and Dominos receipts used as bookmarks.
>> No. 30034 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:25 pm
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>>30033
Now you're just making shit up. People don't buy two copies of the same book just to have one for show.
>> No. 30035 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:27 pm
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>>30032

I'm not defending them. I was just taking issue with the post(s) implying that the only reason to keep books was to show them off.
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9th January 2021
Saturday 5:30 pm
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Am I a bit wierd in the fact that my bookshelf is actually full of books I haven't read? I mean I've read bits of them, but they're mainly there so I can dip in and pass an hour or two. I've got things like a big anthology of HP Lovecraft novels which I'm probably never going to read cover to cover, but every so often I'll leaf through and see what catches my eye. I mean, books are expensive, I like to get lasting value from them. Not just devour the whole thing in one go like a fat bastard with a grab bag of Doritos.

I used to work with a couple of people who would bring books in to read on their lunch and coffee breaks, and the pace they went at they'd just binge through a full book in a couple of days. I've always found that a bit wierd, I'd rather savour a book I'm enjoying, and if I'm not I'd just rather not read it. In fairness though it was that trashy epic fantasy stuff they always read, which isa all near enough the same bloody book anyway I suppose.
>> No. 30037 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:39 pm
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>>30028

>People who think the only purpose of keeping books around is for other people to look at are saying more about their own reading habits than anything else.

I'll hazard a guess that that is true for a lot of people who keep their books anywhere that people paying them a visit can see. Your bookshelf can speak volumes see what I did there about what kind of person you are, and I wouldn't put it past many people that they're particular about which books they put on their livingroom bookshelf, even if it's been years since they actually read them.

In the old days way before the Internet, you owned a multi-volume encyclopedia not just to have it handy when you actually wanted to look something up, but it was also a - middle class - status symbol to have one in your livingroom for other people to see. To show your friends that you were smartlike, and that. And it was your way of emulating posh folk who could afford to have an entire study filled wall to wall with assorted books.
>> No. 30038 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 5:50 pm
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>>30036
Mine is probably somewhere around 50:50. I haven't read anything since mid-November because I started Diary of an Oxygen Thief and it's like reading a really tedious shitpost so it has drained my interest for now.
>> No. 30040 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 6:12 pm
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>>30036
Having a shelf of books that you like to dip into makes sense, I do the same with some.

>>30038
As I think is mentioned in the /lit/ thread, the entire plot of Diary of an Oxygen Thief is plagiarised from Iain Banks' Walking on Glass, just simplified down and more shitposty.
>> No. 30048 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 9:33 pm
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>>30034
Yes they do.
>> No. 30049 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 9:43 pm
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>>30048
You're having us on.
>> No. 30050 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 10:41 pm
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So Donnies getting impeached. Again. Is that a first? Has any other president been impeached twice?

Any way, I don't think it's be at all conspiratorial to suggest the security services and general establishment knew about this, and all but allowed this to happen. It's too perfect for them. Trump ends his term proving he's the manic fascist they've been saying he was, Biden gets to pass sweeping new security laws first day on the job, and nobody was harmed except a few nutter Tea Partiers (remember them?) tasing their own nads off. Everyone's happy right? It's just like the Patriot Act and they didn't even need foreign bogeymen to manage it, it's almost too good to be true.

And if you think that's too cynical or tinfoil of a take, let's not forget the CIA/FBI/etc have form for far worse than that. The US intelligence agencies are the same people who legitimately, actually, in real life, put LSD in a whole town's water supply for the hell of it. The film The Day Shall Come is more or less based on a true story.

Now don't get me wrong, I haven't exactly been rooting for Toad of Toad Hall over the last few years. I haven't even found amusement in his inflammatory tweets, because it's all so very depressing to say that this is the state of the world. But I think some people's eagerness to revel in this apparent comeuppance perhaps slightly naive.
>> No. 30051 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 11:12 pm
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>>30050

There have only be two other impeachments total in the history of the USA, Clinton and Andrew Johnson, and they were 130 years apart. So Don lays claim to an entire 50% of all impeachments ever motioned.

I would agree that this looks a lot like it was allowed to happen, as an aside. They might actually get this one through the senate - another first.
>> No. 30052 Anonymous
9th January 2021
Saturday 11:18 pm
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>> No. 30069 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 2:36 pm
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Here's a photo of the cop who died at the Capitol Hill Building the other day.
>> No. 30072 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:29 pm
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I'm starting to think /boo/lad is entirely right and this is all too convenient an excuse to radically expand the security state. Biden has already backtracked on healthcare and the 2k payment for coronavirus because he no longer actually needs to keep the American people happy and is firmly in the pocket of Big Hedgefund. Not when Washington DC will now represent a Soviet fortress.

Meanwhile the internet is up for a radical shakeup where American protections on free speech don't apply to private companies and yet those companies effectively operate as public utilities with the government exerting significant informal control. So anyone voicing concern over Wall Street now being let loose can be swiftly unpersoned for incitement of Occupy Wall Street.
>> No. 30073 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:34 pm
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>>30069
I think it happens during this video but I'm not entirely sure when.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh47NQtRPU

I'm expecting inauguration day to be a train wreck.
>> No. 30074 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:35 pm
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>>30072

Buy $PLTR
>> No. 30075 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:41 pm
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>>30072

It's been a long time coming. The internet is the biggest (only) threat to the establishment in the last hundred years, it was only a matter of time until they cracked down on it.

It disappoints me that so many on the left are cheering it on instead of realising how this will invariably be turned on them too, once they have outlived their usefulness, but there we are.

Better start buying LEDs for your clothes lads. We cyberpunk now.
>> No. 30076 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:45 pm
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It seems like this picture was taken between minute 1 and minute 2

The guy circled in green is hitting the cops with a night stick at 2:05, but in the photo he is slightly to the right of the door.
>> No. 30077 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>30073

>If I wear a mask nobody will be able to identify me and I will be able to evade identification
>If I wear a mask people will think I am complying with COVID rules
>What should I do?
>> No. 30078 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 4:01 pm
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>>30075
>Better start buying LEDs for your clothes lads. We cyberpunk now.

Does anti-surveillance clothing even work? It seems like a lot of it is based on "this will confuse a phone camera designed to pick up on QR codes".
>> No. 30079 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 4:24 pm
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>>30075
>> No. 30080 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 4:48 pm
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>>30078

Well, probably not, but you're a shit cyberpunk without lights and goggles.
>> No. 30083 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 6:13 pm
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>>30078

You want one of those baseball caps with LEDs in the brim. Desolder the white LEDs and replace them with infrared LEDs. You'll look like a perfectly ordinary nerd/night fisherman to the naked eye, but the IR will dazzle CCTV cameras.
>> No. 30085 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 6:22 pm
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>>30083
The batteries will die within a day of you putting them together because you'll forget you turned them on.
>> No. 30091 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 6:39 pm
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What's wrong with a good old fashioned V for Vendetta mask?
>> No. 30094 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 7:42 pm
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>>30091

Unfortunately they give you away as a homophobic, sexist, racist CHUD who voted for Trump and sleeps with a my little pony body pillow nowadays.
>> No. 30099 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 8:53 pm
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>>30094
What if you were doing it ironically?
>> No. 30100 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 8:56 pm
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>>30085

Smartphone cameras are pretty good for checking if IR devices still have power - the LEDs glow a pale violet. So I suppose the CCTV cameras just need to look for a load of Wii sensor bars milling about in crowded spaces to see who would make an easy arrest.
>> No. 30101 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 9:12 pm
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>>30078
This is the future, bro.
>> No. 30102 Anonymous
10th January 2021
Sunday 10:53 pm
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>>30101
I wondered if infrared would attract insects which sent me down a bit of a rabbit-hole. At least it appears that someone walking around with IR LEDs at night would soon be obscured by a swarm of certain insects such as mosquitos, beetles and bedbugs.

I'll take my chances with room 101 if that's the case.
>> No. 30103 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 9:09 am
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>>30085
Spose there wouldn't be any harm in leaving one visible LED in the circuit in order to let you know if the battery was dead.
>> No. 30104 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 9:30 am
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>>30103
There's a whole range of these clip-on things that probably make more sense to use than trying to re-sew LEDs into the brim of your cap.
>> No. 30106 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:01 pm
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>>30104
I wonder if you could get something similar to this around your license plate, and have it synced with Google maps. It would turn on whenever you go past a speed camera.
>> No. 30107 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:02 pm
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>> No. 30108 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:04 pm
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That'll show the surveillance state!
>> No. 30109 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:09 pm
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Parler is dead.
>> No. 30110 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:12 pm
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>>30109
Never even heard of it before this whole Trump thing.
>> No. 30111 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 12:58 pm
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>>30109
>However, chief executive John Matze told Fox News on Sunday that "every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too. We're going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible, but we're having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they won't work with us because if Apple doesn't approve and Google doesn't approve, they won't,".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55615214

I suppose it's only fair that corporations can be unpersoned too.
>> No. 30112 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 1:25 pm
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>>30110
It's where people like Katie Hopkins went when they were banned from other social media sites.
>> No. 30114 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 1:47 pm
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>>30112

First they came for Katie Hopkins, and I did not speak out.

Then they came for Donald Trump, and I did not speak out.

I was temporarily confused when it looked as if they might do the same to JK Rowling after it turned out she was really a Death Eater all along, but I managed to memory hole it so that was okay.

When they come for the socialists on the basis they're all vicious anti-semites just like their daft militant wog leader Jeremy Abdullah Jihad Corbyn, I will not speak out.

When they come for the followers Saint Greta, I will be shocked. Shocked!
>> No. 30115 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 1:51 pm
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>>30114
Twitter's been banning leftists for years.
>> No. 30117 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 2:28 pm
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>>30109
Not only dead, but every single bit of user data has been yoinked and archived.

I knew it was a Honeytrap.
>> No. 30118 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 4:20 pm
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Have they impeached him yet?
>> No. 30119 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 4:21 pm
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>>30118
It's only 11am there so I assume not.
>> No. 30120 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 4:50 pm
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>>30118
Seems inevitable at this point. It has bipartisan support from senior Republicans.
>> No. 30124 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 5:14 pm
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>>30118

Yes.
>> No. 30125 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 5:16 pm
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>>30120

He's in pretty deep shit if Republicans really go along with this and disown him like that. It kind of depends on how many Republican senators and congressmen or -women have actually turned on him.

There is a tipping point with these things, in that your political allies will only back you for as long as doing so does not damage their own career aspirations. Most politicians are inherently turncoats that way. When the moment comes that you are a liability for them and that continuing to stand by you would hurt their own career, that's when you are often dropped like a hot potato.
>> No. 30126 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 5:22 pm
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>>30125
I've heard it said that Trump's best way out now is to resign and get his pet eunuch to pardon him, otherwise he's liable to spend a very long time in prison. He's already likely invalidated himself as a candidate in 2024 (14th amendment's rebellion clause), as have many of his family.
>> No. 30128 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 5:36 pm
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>>30126

> otherwise he's liable to spend a very long time in prison

Which explains in part why he's been clinging to his presidency so desperately after the lost election. He knows what he's got coming.


> He's already likely invalidated himself as a candidate in 2024 (14th amendment's rebellion clause)

I think that's not really certain. But a big reason why Democrats want him impeached even now at the last minute is that an impeached President is legally barred from reelection. That would be the biggest way they could keep him from coming back in 2024.
>> No. 30130 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 5:47 pm
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>>30125

Established Republicans have only ever begrudgingly supported him in the first place. None of them wanted him in office any more than the Democrats did, but while he was getting results it was hard to argue. A moment like this is the perfect chance to wash their hands of him.
>> No. 30131 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 6:08 pm
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Problem is that it's still very much in the hands of Mitch Mcconnell.
The house can pass impeachment papers in a day, but it's a massive waste of time unless Mitch is on board and agrees to put it to a vote. If he wont, then the Democrats may as well just bide their time to build evidence and make sure they have enough support from Republican Senators to vote against him once all the dust has settled.
>> No. 30138 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 8:03 pm
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>>30131

The way I understand it though, a criminal prosecution of a former President for acts he committed during his presidency doesn't hinge on him being impeached. His immunity ends, regardless, when his term as President is up, and he can then be charged and tried like any other defendant in a criminal case.
>> No. 30141 Anonymous
11th January 2021
Monday 10:30 pm
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Even the Queen of the EU says Twitter banning is a threat to freedom of speech.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/germanys-merkel-hits-out-at-twitter-over-problematic-trump-ban.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1610382172
>> No. 30147 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 1:57 pm
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Aparantly the National Guard have been told to prepare for engagements.
>> No. 30151 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 2:45 pm
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>>30131
The Senate doesn't get a choice over impeachment. When the House sends them the papers, the Senate must hold a trial. Mitch has no agency in the process, and there are whispers that some Republican Senators simply won't turn up so he'd potentially lose votes on procedure.

>>30141
You know that thing where you take the one thing that you agree with and ignore the rest of it? Yeah, stop doing that.
>> No. 30152 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 3:14 pm
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Anyone with half a brain knows that - it's so fucking obvious.

Just look after yourself and your family mate and make any preparations you can. All these people patting themselves on the back and guffawing at Trump have made their bed, leave them to it, they shall have no sympathy from me.
>> No. 30153 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 3:46 pm
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>Apparently the National Guard have been told to prepare for engagements.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/democrats-briefed-plot-overthrow-government_n_5ffd29a4c5b691806c4bf199
>WASHINGTON ― Capitol Police briefed Democrats on Monday night about three more potentially gruesome demonstrations planned in the coming days, with one plot to encircle the U.S. Capitol and assassinate Democrats and some Republicans.

>Democrats were told that the Capitol Police and the National Guard were preparing for potentially tens of thousands of armed protesters coming to Washington and were establishing rules of engagement for warfare. In general, the military and police don’t plan to shoot anyone until one of the rioters fires, but there could be exceptions.
>> No. 30154 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 4:25 pm
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>but there could be exceptions

This is fair, there's probably at least a couple of black alt-righters.
>> No. 30155 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 4:54 pm
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I can see it turning into a bloodbath. Some of the nutters are itching for Civil War.
>> No. 30156 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 5:06 pm
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Perhaps. Going by that article they're struggling to get the word out to be able to organise in numbers and a lot of them have to be demoralised by the fallout of the 6th. I'm guessing some of the most radical will have been further radicalised (and will try something) but they'll struggle to get the wellies in the mud they need.
For now.
>> No. 30164 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:24 pm
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>Some of the nutters are itching for Civil War

That's probably a reasonable worry. Where there was one guy entering the Capitol in a shaman outfit with horns, there will be at least a handful more who will be many times more fucked in the head than that. And all it takes to bring out the worst in a crowd of protestors is a couple of people inciting all the rest of them.

Maybe that's the real reason Trump isn't going to the inauguration, and not because of his obvious lingering grudge. He knows it could turn into a war zone, where he himself could get physically hurt.
>> No. 30165 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:34 pm
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Lads, come on. "Turn up to this event with your guns" is a honeypot. You'll have a few hundred people who are a mix between undercover agents and people about to be arrested.
>> No. 30166 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:37 pm
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>>30165
I feel like you haven't thought the whole "arresting large numbers of armed people" thing through.
>> No. 30171 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:53 pm
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Easy enough, undercover police serve as agitators and anyone who plays along is quietly black-bagged. The more sheepish people get a conversation at a later date and banned from flying.
>> No. 30172 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:53 pm
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>>30166

I thought the Great Failsurrection was the honeypot though?

They have all the messages on Twitter and Parler and hours of footage of the participants. It makes it much easier to see who is a shitposter and who will actually take up arms against the government in an act of sedition.

All the actual threats are now either in jail, or died of fatal self-nut-tasing, or are being watched by GCHQlad. Most of them were just mouth-breathing mongs looking for a crowd to stand in and chant 'USA, USA' and they'll easily find that outside of Trump once Football season starts back up again.

Bellingcat has a few pretty interesting articles about the whole fiasco.
>> No. 30173 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 6:53 pm
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>>30166
Just convince them that the 2nd Amendment is a Communist conspiracy, they'll soon ditch the guns.
>> No. 30186 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 8:00 pm
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>>30173
Guns, but for everyone?
COMMUNISM.
>> No. 30187 Anonymous
12th January 2021
Tuesday 8:15 pm
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>>30186

Indeed.
>> No. 30198 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:46 am
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This fella' just coughed up $25,000 to make bail. Once again this was not the "disenfranchised white rural working class", it was rich cunts on a jolly.
>> No. 30199 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:56 am
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>>30198

I was going to say you had to have the means to travel to Washington on a weekday, but covid has probably put a lot of white trash folk out of a job, and so they had the time to throw their last few dollars together for petrol to drive up there.

That shaman lad with the horns is apparently a failed actor who lives with his mum.
>> No. 30200 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 12:14 pm
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He could only afford it because he pawned the trestle pictured bigot.
>> No. 30201 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 12:24 pm
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>>30198
They were pooling money too; various groups making donations to put on coaches and pay for hotel rooms.
>> No. 30202 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 12:48 pm
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>>30198
You know where the money came from? There's a tonne of wealthy racists who will bankroll this kind of stuff.
>> No. 30207 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 1:34 pm
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>>30202
Absolutely this. The Mercers are responsible for a lot of this nonsense.
>> No. 30214 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 5:44 pm
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>>30198

Have you ever heard of bail bonds? Go watch Jackie Brown.

Also probably a bit of what the other lads said.
>> No. 30218 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 5:59 pm
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>>30214


Almost sounds like some kind of evil master plan by the rich to overthrow the government, using dumb white trash folk as their foot soldiers.
>> No. 30219 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 6:09 pm
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>>30218
Why would the rich overthrow their own government?
>> No. 30221 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 6:17 pm
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>>30219

Trump was their government. They know he was their best shot at a political system of proto-fascist favouritism.
>> No. 30242 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:11 pm
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Impeached twice, eh? Apparently if the Senate vote, he could have his post-Presidential perks removed. I wonder if that includes the honorific of "Mr. President", that would really damage his ego.
>> No. 30243 Anonymous
13th January 2021
Wednesday 11:44 pm
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>>30242

>Apparently if the Senate vote, he could have his post-Presidential perks removed

There needs to be a two-thirds majority in the Senate for the impeachment to take effect. Even in the new Senate, Democrats will only have a 51% majority. Which essentially means that almost a third of Republican senators would have to vote yea to reach the overall two-thirds majority.

As few as ten Republican congressmen/women have voted in favour of the impeachment. It's likely to galvanise Republicans in the Senate towards rejecting the impeachment.

It would be justice served if Trump was actually impeached. But I can't imagine a third of Senate Republicans disowning him like that. Not after the way they've kept backing him in the last months since the election.
>> No. 30244 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 12:34 am
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Am I mad to think it could actually be in the Republican interest to impeach him, and the Democratic interest to let him go?
If he's eligible to run again he could play hell with the 2024 Republican primary by attempting to get back to being president, while if he's ineligible then he loses a lot of justification for staying in politics and the Republicans can pick someone credible as their candidate.

Obviously it's a dangerous game for the Democrats since they could always clown the country into a 2016 re-run, but thinking about it cynically...
>> No. 30245 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:45 am
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>>30221
They're both governments for the rich lad. It doesn't change when a new party gets in.

>>30244
I reckon the biggest risk for the Republicans is if he runs as an independent splitting the vote. Can't see anything happening though, the impeachment won't start until after Biden gets into office and it will only hurt their own chances at re-election.

Would be nice if Trump runs as independent and Sanders finally says fuck it and runs his own campaign though.
>> No. 30246 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:03 am
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I know this isn't the biggest problem in America, but I did some "math" as they call it over there and Dianne Feinstein is so old her date of birth is closer in time to the beginning of the American Civil War than we are now to said DOB.
>> No. 30247 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:32 am
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>>30243

They might not like the man, but the last thing they want to do is demonstrate how begrudgingly they have supported him for the last few years. They're banking on quietly getting rid of him, while retaining the goodwill of his supporters, in order to field a candidate who walks like him and talks like him, with the key difference of being a party insider, in 2024.
>> No. 30248 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:43 am
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>>30246

It's a symptom of the biggest problem in America - corruption and cronyism. The current President is 74, the President Elect is 78, the Senate Majority Leader is 78, the Speaker of the House is 80. It doesn't matter how old and addled you are, you can still get elected if you can call in enough favours.
>> No. 30249 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:40 am
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>>30248
Bernie is ancient - are you suggesting he's corrupt and crony too?
>> No. 30250 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 9:30 am
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>>30207
Mercer-related; https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/3an7pn/pirate-bay-founder-thinks-parlers-inability-to-stay-online-is-embarrassing
>> No. 30256 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:19 am
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>>30250
>/amp/.
>> No. 30257 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:21 am
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>>30256
What's the problem?
>> No. 30258 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:38 am
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>>30257
It's Google extending their reach over the internet.
>> No. 30259 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:59 am
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>>30249
Being all but the only left-wing senator in the country possibly gives him a genuine sense of purpose. I'm sure lots of other very old senators and politicians think something similar, but in Sanders' case it's true.

I made the original point about Feinstein and it was less about "favours", although that's still a huge problem, and more about mental decline and the inablity of someone of that vintage to understand modern issues in a clear enough way to legislate on them.
>> No. 30260 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 12:50 pm
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>As at least seven major companies have distanced themselves from the outgoing president, who was banned from Twitter and is facing impeachment for a historic second time, movie fans on social media are also arguing that Trump’s cameo be edited out of the 1992 sequel Home Alone 2: Lost in New York — with many offering jokey replacements.


Bit much. You wouldn't edit Hitler out of History Channel documentaries, and yet, nobody sees that as an endorsement of what Hitler did.

I hate Trump and everything he stands for as much as the next person. I even support his ban from social media. But this kind of cancel culture has just gone too far. We cannot pretend certain events of history or pop culture never happened or existed just because we may quite rightly feel highly uncomfortable or offended by them now. I posit that the only way we are going to better ourselves as humankind is that we are steadily reminded of mistakes that were made. Otherwise, what's going to keep us from a new Jedward.
>> No. 30261 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 12:57 pm
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>>30260

Yes, I too am terribly upset at the implications of a webm where Trump has been replaced by a deliberately-poorly-inserted clip of Hatsune Miku, as a joke.
>> No. 30262 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:17 pm
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>>30261

You're missing the point.
>> No. 30263 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:23 pm
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I'm sure there was a storm in a teacup a few years back when Channel 4, or whoever, cut the Trump scene from Home Alone 2 to save on running time. A bit like when ITV show Jurassic Park and cut out the scene with the T-Rex eating the bloke on the toilet.
>> No. 30264 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:26 pm
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>>30260

>You wouldn't edit Hitler out of History Channel documentaries

Home Alone 2 isn't a documentary though, is it?

For your point to make sense you'd have to be asking whether we'd edit a Hitler cameo out of a popular german comedy film of the time, if he was in one. And I think they answer would be yes, particularly in germany. Or they'd just not show the film.
>> No. 30265 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:27 pm
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>>30262

No, you are. Comparing a Historical documentary with a Christmas family film like that is something a stupid person would do. Unless of course this "documentary" is on the History Channel, the same channel that broadcasts Ancient Aliens.

However, acting like misinformation in a History Channel show would be sacrilegious is also something a stupid person would do.
>> No. 30266 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 1:51 pm
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>>30260
Home Alone 2 is equivalent to a history documentary. Audible mirth.
>> No. 30267 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:07 pm
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I've seen idiots on the internet go to great lengths to try and defend the "peaceful protestors" at the Capitol. Some have tried comparing it to a fight breaking out at a gig, as if those are remotely the same thing. People at a gig are there for the band, and a few of them start a fight. People at an insurrection are there for the insurrection, whether or not they themselves are the ones throwing the fire extinguishers at the riot police.
>> No. 30268 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:10 pm
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>>30265
>>30266

Fuckssake. My point was that if we don't edit Hitler out of documentaries, a leader who did things that were millions of times worse than Trump, then why remove Trump's daft 10-second cameo from a tepid, watered down sequel that few people have ever watched to begin with.

It would indeed be nice if Trump or especially the last four years had never happened and if we could just delete him from our collective memory, but that's not the way history works.
>> No. 30269 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:12 pm
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>>30268
Amongst other things, the Hitler estate doesn't get to collect royalties on his appearances in documentaries.

You're making the same sort of daft false equivalence as the idiots referred to in >>30267.
>> No. 30271 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:24 pm
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>>30269
Do you think there actually is a Hitler estate?
>> No. 30272 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:26 pm
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>>30271
It's in Featherstone, isn't it? Swear I went to school with some lads from it.
>> No. 30273 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:28 pm
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>>30268

Do you genuinely not understand the difference between a Hitler documentary and a live cameo in family christmas film?

Or do you think there'll be no Trump based documentaries now either? Do you think we'll scribble his face out when they document his time in office?
>> No. 30274 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:32 pm
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>>30273

You know, let's just forget the whole argument and just agree to disagree. I can't get seem to get my point across, so why waste any more time explaining it.

And yes, I do

>understand the difference between a Hitler documentary and a live cameo in family christmas film.
>> No. 30276 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:47 pm
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>>30274

Your point seems to be that we shouldn't remove a 20 second cameo of Trump from a christmas film, because we don't remove Hitler footage from documentaries about hitler and WWII.

Those are not the same things. A cameo in a film is "hey look we've got this guy, isn't that fun?" Showing you what hitler said in a documentary is, well, documenting. I don't think we're erasing history by wanting to remove the bloke nobody likes from Home Alone 2. Because there will be countless documentaries about Trump, and I guarantee you nobody (except perhaps his own remaining supporters) will be wanting those documentaries to remove any images of Trump. Because it's a fucking documentary.

You really don't sound like you understand the difference. Please reword your point if I'm still not getting it somehow.
>> No. 30277 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 2:49 pm
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>>30274

If it helps, there's a whole decade or so of German cinema that was basically erased simply because it was produced within Nazi ideology. Hitler wasn't even in it himself. Removing ten seconds (less than, really) of Trump out of spite isn't disproportionate from that point of view.
>> No. 30278 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 3:00 pm
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>>30260
Oh, daftlad.
>> No. 30279 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 3:07 pm
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>>30271

Hitler attained much of his personal wealth through his third-reich kleptocracy, which was then confiscated by the allied forces, but Mein Kampf had almost made him a millionaire in his own right by 1933, which many people don't know.

I think that money got seized as well, as his only surviving sister Paula Hitler led a very modest life after WWII.
>> No. 30280 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 3:26 pm
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>>30279
Wikipedia says that she had her properties in Austria confiscated and she became a recluse going under the name Paula Wolff.

She looks a bit like Elvis.
>> No. 30281 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 3:31 pm
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>>30280
>She looks a bit like Elvis.
That would be a hell of a conspiracy theory.
>> No. 30282 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 4:02 pm
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>>30264
What about the presence of OJ Simpson in the Naked Gun films?

How do we feel about streaming sites dropping the offensive episodes of Fawlty Towers?

>>30271
The Hitler Estate rules Antarctica from a Metropolis deep inside the Hollow Earth
>> No. 30283 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 4:20 pm
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>>30282

>What about the presence of OJ Simpson in the Naked Gun films?

No opinion, never seen them, but the glorious freedom of america allows the rights holders of that film to cut him out if they want to. Same goes for Fawlty Towers, I don't really think we have much to learn from Major saying the N word. And if we really want to go there, Mark Wahlberg is a violent racist, but nobody's deleting him, are they?

I know what you're getting at, but companies (yes the BBC is still a company) removing content is part of the package of the hellscape that is capitalism. If you want true freedom you need to tear the system down, so please join me in doing so instead of pulling on your flaccid todger while complaining about censorship.
>> No. 30284 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 5:14 pm
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>>30283

>so please join me in doing so

And what have you done to achieve the destruction of capitalism lately?

I make this anal and snotty comment as a dyed in the wool class warrior lefty myself, you understand. I just find it a bit self aggrandising when probably the most you've actually done is make posts like this on imageboards and maybe attend a protest. Part of the problem is that as an average person you really don;t have much of a choice but to support and uphold The System.
>> No. 30285 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 5:19 pm
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FFS, someone's about to come up with the classic cop-out of "no ethical consumption" to justify their shittiness, aren't they?
>> No. 30286 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 5:40 pm
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>>30284

I was being sarcastic you fuckwit.
>> No. 30287 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 5:57 pm
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I feel the need to point out that Home Alone 2 is over 25 years old and therefore history. Admittedly cultural history is lost on most people but it'll get more important in a few decades as people look back on cities during/before the crime drop and Trump's association in popular culture with New York.

Coincidentally as media has moved over to streaming we're liable to see the scene get memory-holed in a way George Lucas could never have dreamed. A level of power that google attempted to hold with books but in this instance the thing that most of the population have replaced it with and which is viewed as okay because we all accept that the media should tacitly control the proles rather than feature truth.

>>30283
It's not a capitalism problem, it's a people being a bunch of ninnies problem. You can burn books without capitalism and I seriously doubt the deranged nonsense that comes out of streaming platforms helps the profit margin.
>> No. 30288 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:04 pm
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>>30287

Are you aware that Ice T's song "Cop Killer" was quietly memory-holed by streaming platforms earlier last year? Nobody seems to have complained about that. Just this scene of Trump.
>> No. 30289 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:21 pm
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>>30286

Were you?

I don't know, I've seen entirely too many people say shit like that in complete earnest these days.
>> No. 30290 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:23 pm
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>>30288
>Are you aware that Ice T's song "Cop Killer" was quietly memory-holed by streaming platforms earlier last year?

You're only pretending to be retarded I hope.
>> No. 30291 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:34 pm
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>>30219

Pretty much every single Revolution has been a Bourgeois counter-elite usurping the Ruling Class.

Case in point: The Founding Fathers of the United States of America

'Fire in the Minds of Men' is an excellent History of the phenomenon.

It's baked in.

The Empire never ended.Black Iron Prison.VALIS.
>> No. 30292 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:35 pm
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>>30288
Do you mean this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8gUhDd6WE
It's mostly because most likely because it's from his rock band not him rapping.
>> No. 30293 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:35 pm
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>>30287

This is why you buy physical media, or at least pirate and keep. You have to be pretty dumb to stream.
>> No. 30294 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:37 pm
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>>30293

Oh no, I can't watch 25 seconds of Home Alone 2 anymore, curse my lack of intelligence.
>> No. 30295 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:39 pm
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>>30294

The point clearly went over your head. Enjoy others making decisions on your behalf. You'll get exactly what you deserve.
>> No. 30296 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:41 pm
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>>30294

I don't imagine you'd be saying that if, for instance, films like Schindler's List were the ones being retconned to reflect updated history, by a different side of the political coin.
>> No. 30297 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:41 pm
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>>30295

I'll show them. I'll watch my extended cut DVD over and over again. My record collection is the only thing that separates me from the slaves.
>> No. 30298 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:42 pm
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>>30296

But they're not.

How many Kevin Spacey films have you watched recently?
>> No. 30299 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:44 pm
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>>30292


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lw1MrMHQ9o
>> No. 30300 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:45 pm
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>>30292

Yes. It's still on YouTube but is (was?) gone from Spotify and iTunes and various other music things.

>It's mostly because most likely because it's from his rock band not him rapping.
Why would that be relevant?
>> No. 30301 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 6:47 pm
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>>30298

I've watched three in the past month to be fair. He's a good actor.
>> No. 30302 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 7:19 pm
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>>30298

>But they're not.

You are aware, of course, that someone might, one day. The myopia of this argument can only ever be completely wilful.

>How many Kevin Spacey films have you watched recently?

Not sure what that has to do with it but I believe the last one was The Usual Suspects, and I was about 11, probably in 2000-ish.
>> No. 30303 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 7:24 pm
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>>30302

>Not sure what that has to do with it

He committed unpalatable crimes and yet has not been 'memory holed'.
>> No. 30304 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 7:28 pm
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>>30303

Might have something to do with him turning out to be innocent.

I don't keep up with all this stuff, but the last I head the case was dropped, and his trial by media de-facto guilt isn't the same as actual guilt, as much as Twitter users wish it was.

See also Johnny Depp. He wasn't cancelis in extremis until that verdict about him being a wife beater.
>> No. 30305 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 7:55 pm
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>>30304

Not to be engaging in a little bit of whataboutism, but what about films produced by Harvey Weinstein?
>> No. 30306 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:02 pm
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>>30300
Lads, for fucks sake. Cop Killer was pulled in the 90s when Ice Cube and Body Count asked the Warner Bros to do it because of the threats being made to themselves and the studio. Before about 2012 it was the Right that got things banned and companies would occasionally take a stand against it.

Ice Cube owns the master and is on record saying it's fine because if you want to hear it you will be able to. It won't appear of Spotify even if the company had an ounce of integrity. I assume otherlad was being deliberately thick but you can point to Tyler the Creator being banned from Britain by Theresa May as an example from the right of ridiculous censorship that we're all okay with because we're a nation of children.

>>30293
I reckon it will be a problem that grows in importance further down the line as physical media degrades and controls on copyright become more severe. We're liable to reach the end of physical media at some point and while information entropy is always a problem (i.e. the Moon Landing) I can only imagine the horror of trying to reconstruct the 2020s on.

>You have to be pretty dumb to stream.

Agree with this though.
>> No. 30307 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:06 pm
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>>30306
>Lads, for fucks sake. Cop Killer was pulled in the 90s
Okay, but it was on the streaming services after that until last year.
>> No. 30308 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:12 pm
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>>30307
No.
>> No. 30309 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:15 pm
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>>30306

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8J-RXZ41-Y
This is the song that got Tyler his Transatlantic ASBO
>> No. 30310 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:22 pm
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>>30303

Not entirely related, but just the other day I read something that episodes of the original Dallas TV series have been edited for streaming because quite early on, the show contained a story arc of Lucy Ewing having a love affair with ranch hand Ray Krebbs. Which was controversial in its own right even at the time because Lucy was supposed to be a high school teenager and the character Ray Krebbs was quite visibly a greying 40something. But in a later series, it then also turned out that Ray Krebbs was a half brother of J.R. and Bobby, and thus Lucy's half-uncle.

There would probably be plenty of outrage today if a modern prime-time TV drama candidly showed a love affair between a pupil and a middle aged guy, let alone one who later turns out to be her uncle from another mother, but you have to ask yourself if it's really that offensive in the context of this being a TV show that's over 40 years old.

I think to fully appreciate that we live in different times today, you need to be exposed to how things were in earlier times. Like they say, the past is a different country, people do things differently there. Why not familiarise yourself with that country, safe in the knowledge that in your country, the present, that would no longer fly?
>> No. 30311 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 8:56 pm
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>>30310

I for one think that we should censor Shakespeare because Romeo was a carpet-bagger.
>> No. 30312 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 9:26 pm
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>>30310

I'll see your Shakespeare and raise you the Old Testament. It's got the works - genocide, violence, especially against women, then racism, child abuse, the lot.
>> No. 30313 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:01 pm
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>a lot of them have to be demoralised by the fallout of the 6th.
I was very wrong. On the positive side, I was right this time last year when I said it seems as though the US is going to go to war with itself.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/proud-boys-telegram-far-right-extremists-1114201/
>> No. 30314 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:08 pm
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>>30313

I find it both amusing and alarming that people think Biden means a return to normal and more boring politics. It has barely begun, Trump was a pressure valve. Now he's gone, things are going to get very ugly.
>> No. 30315 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:11 pm
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>>30313
Proud Boys are fucking weirdos.

>Prosecutors are seeking to modify the bond agreement of Kyle Rittenhouse — the teen charged with killing two people during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last summer — after they said he flashed white power signs and was “loudly serenaded” with the Proud Boys’ anthem at a bar.

>At Pudgy’s Pub, Rittenhouse was seen wearing a T-shirt with the words, “Free as Fuck” while flashing the "OK" sign — a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups, the motion said. In his 90-minute visit to the bar, which was captured on security footage, the teen was seen consuming alcohol while being serenaded by a group of adult men who sang the Proud Boys’ anthem, according to the motion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-out-bail-flashed-white-power-signs-bar-prosecutors-n1254250

Not entirely sure if I want to hear their anthem or not.
>> No. 30316 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:22 pm
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>proud-boys-telegram-far-right-extremists

What century is this?
>> No. 30317 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:35 pm
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>>30315

> the "OK" sign — a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups


I did not know that.

Does that mean divers are racist?





I'll get my coat.
>> No. 30318 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:36 pm
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>>30317
It started off as a joke, "let's get something harmless banned as a hate symbol", and it's spiraled from there.
>> No. 30319 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 10:50 pm
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>>30318

Maybe a bit like swastikas. For milleniae, they were a very innocent symbol for the Sun and for good fortune... until Adolf thought his party logo needed something snazzy.
>> No. 30320 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:31 pm
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>>30318

The Other Place did it for the lulz. Extremists do not understand lulz.
>> No. 30321 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:40 pm
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And it directly references Trump - in the early part of his campaigning and presidency, he had a physical/verbal tick of making the sign, when speaking and making a point. I'm actually sure it was entirely accidental on his part, but they copied it and made it a symbol.
>> No. 30322 Anonymous
14th January 2021
Thursday 11:44 pm
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>>30319
Swastikas were selected due to witchy occult reasons, but it is similar in that a group took a harmless symbol and made it virulent.

It started out ironic and satirical, commentary on the absurdity of wokeness (like the way that people are objecting to censorship in this thread) "These people will ban anything". It was also funny because they could find pictures of people giving the OK symbol under totally innocuous circumstances and post it online claiming it as evidence of their hateful beliefs. As time went on though, it became a kind of shibboleth for Alt-Right CHUDS to identify each other. A bunch of Military Trainees were throwing the OK symbol in pictures in a way that was very obviously meant to be edgy. That New Zealander that shot up the igloo gave the OK sign at his trial which you can see in pictures.

It started out as a joke, but eventually transcended irony and just became the thing it was ironically pretending to be. Reza Negaristani called this 'Hyperstition'. It would make good material for an Adam Curtis bit IMO

There was another one where they took the peace symbol and tried to insinuate that it was a transphobic symbol that meant there were only two genders.

There was another one where they were trying to make milk be a symbol of white supremacy. Like by drinking milk a person was indicating their affinity with white supremacy.

None of these quite hit the cultural critical mass that the OK symbol did

Then there was also this one:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-48187353
>The Kazakh police took a young activist into custody after he decided to test whether he could get away with standing in the street holding a placard with no writing on it.

Which potentially is a total valid protest against censorship by indicating that it is the act of protest that is verboten and not the content of the protest. It does however draw to mind the German Neo-Nazis who march through towns with blank black flags as a way to circumvent Anti-Nazi censorship in that country.

I look forward to reading some interesting semiotics and/or memetics essays about it when those fields become fashionable again.

We are living in strange times and they are only going to become stranger with the worsening material conditions of the working and middle classes, and the abject failure to acknowledge and correct the problems created by 50 years of Global Neoliberal Hegemony. Follow my Twitter for the rest of the manifesto.
>> No. 30323 Anonymous
15th January 2021
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>>30322

Blindboy Boatclub has an absolutely boiling hot take about the swastika.

Adolf Hitler's half-brother Alois ran away from home at 14 and ended up in Dublin, working as a kitchen porter at the Shelbourne Hotel. In 1912, a new laundry opened just over a mile away, which provided laundry services to the hotel. That laundry had very distinctive branding.

It could be pure coincidence, but it would be a hell of a coincidence.
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15th January 2021
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>> No. 30325 Anonymous
15th January 2021
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>>30323

>Ballsbridge, but Hitler only had a single ball
The plot thickens...
>> No. 30326 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 12:16 am
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>>30324
How did they do photoshop before computers?
>> No. 30327 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 12:26 am
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>>30326

An airbrush and an incredible amount of patience.
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15th January 2021
Friday 12:42 am
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>>30327
And a tremendous fear of being Stalinized
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15th January 2021
Friday 12:45 am
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>>30326

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_manipulation
>> No. 30330 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 6:53 am
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>>30305

He isn't in them, so presumably they can just quietly drop his name from the credits and nobody would even notice.

I think the thing most people get wrong about all this stuff is that it's all to protect the companies and their bottom line. It's not because they care about causes of social justice. Universal don't give a fuck if Kevin Spacey is a kiddy fiddler. Disney couldn't give two shits if Robert Downey Jr was in the Ku Klux Klan. just as long as nobody know about it. As soon as it attracts bad publicity, though, that's when they'll start erasing things.

And that's why why should be concerned in a whataboutey way, really. Because it's not driven by any moral compass, we can't rely on the line of reasoning that it's okay, because the people/things they are censoring are actually bad. We already know they censor things like homosexuality in the far East and Asian market. If social attitudes changed over here, they would do the same. There is no slippery slope to the "shoe on the other foot" argument, because we can already see places the shoe IS on the other foot.

That's my take on it anyway, for what anybody cares.
>> No. 30331 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 10:47 am
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>>30330

You're right basically.

But my worry still isn't so much that films are edited so they're commercially more palatable in certain geographical markets, but that we're allowing cancel culture to censor anything that it quite arbitrarily decides shouldn't exist.

The only way you can form robust and educated opinions about something is if you are also exposed to and confronted with thoughts, ideas and people that are often diametrically different from what you believe in. And we're already seeing the effects of a disregard for that principle at universities, where angry mobs of students demand that lecturers be removed because their stance on an issue isn't in line with their world view. When uni is supposed to be THE place of all places where you should be confronted with many different and opposing opinions and views, and not just a place where your own preconceived notions are confirmed.
>> No. 30332 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 11:02 am
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>>30331
>my worry still isn't so much that films are edited so they're commercially more palatable in certain geographical markets, but that we're allowing cancel culture to censor anything that it quite arbitrarily decides shouldn't exist.
What's the difference? These are functions of the same thing; a subset of people do not like this aspect of some media, so it's not shown to them.

>The only way you can form robust and educated opinions about something is if you are also exposed to and confronted with thoughts, ideas and people that are often diametrically different from what you believe in.
I imagine your idea of what should happen at university is not that you should be forced to watch Dog Star Man while on a cocktail of strong hallucinogens, strapped to a chair à la Clockwork Orange but it's not just a place where your own preconceived notions are confirmed, right? It's only an arbitrary distinction between two things you don't like.
>> No. 30333 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 12:39 pm
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On the subject of censoring entertainment from the past to conform to the contemporary sense of taste and decency I can see both sides of this debate.

Like, it was moronic when Netflix pulled the D&D episode of Netflix because Chang was dressed as a Drow and that was construed as blackface.

On the other hand it's weird as fuck to watch 80s movies like Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds which portray date rape for laughs in a way that almost certainly normalized this type of behaviour among the young men who watched it at the time.

I quite like the approach that Disney and WB have taken in presenting problematic content unedited but prefacing it with a disclaimer explaining its origin and context. Once it becomes acceptable to selectively edit history to suit the opinions of a particular dominant group then it's okay for any subsequent dominant group to to the same.
>> No. 30334 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 12:39 pm
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>>30332

>watch Dog Star Man while on a cocktail of strong hallucinogens

I did do this actually, although I wasn't forced. Loved my experimental and avant garde modules.
>> No. 30335 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 12:44 pm
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>>30333

I think this is the acceptable middle ground, WB have handled it much better than Disney I think. Really wish they would give Song of the South a new scan and release, I'm fed up of dragging out the Laserdisc. The only people who would buy it have probably seen it already anyway, maybe make it a direct purchase only. I can't see it offending many people these days anyway.

Do people really get upset by Revenge of the Nerds? We used to watch it all the time as a family when I was younger, it's a pretty tame comedy on par with Grease. Then again, apparently some people now take issue with things like Frasier and Friends which I find baffling. Maybe I'm just old before my time, I'm only 29 for fucks sake.
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15th January 2021
Friday 1:00 pm
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>>30334

I can't say I enjoyed the experience. Point stands though that it's a weird kind of "both sides"ing that leads, in theory, to you being forced to tolerate any sort of irrelevant nonsense on the grounds that you should be "confronted with thoughts, ideas and people that are often diametrically different from what you believe in" and, in practice, to the same sort of science denial where Nigel Farage gets invited onto BBC debates about the climate as "balance".
>> No. 30338 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 1:26 pm
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>>30332

> a subset of people do not like this aspect of some media, so it's not shown to them.

Not quite. Cancel culture generally believes that certain things should be shown to nobody, just because the proponents of cancel culture personally don't like them. Which is very different from a film studio cutting gay sex scenes from a film version for Arab audiences because it's illegal there. The equivalent would be that that film studio would cut the scenes from every worldwide release, even the ones available in Britain or France, just because Arab countries would take offence.

And that is dangerous ground, because there is then no objective standard of what can be shown and what can't, and you'd in the end only be pandering to the whim of oversensitive social justice warriors who think they are the measure of all things.

Personally, I'm anti-Trump, anti-discrimination, anti-racism, the lot. But I also still believe in freedom of speech, and that shutting out opposing views, even the ones that only mildly differ from your own, and pretending they don't exist isn't the answer to anything.


How does the old Mark Twain quote go -

Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.
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15th January 2021
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>>30338

You're saying that "Arab audiences" are fine with other people watching the gay sex scenes which is so obviously wrong it's funny.
>> No. 30340 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 1:43 pm
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>>30339

>You're saying that "Arab audiences" are fine with other people watching the gay sex scenes


Did you actually read what I wrote?

Arabs don't like seeing gay sex scenes in movies and the laws in many Arab countries say it's illegal. But neither Arab viewers nor Arab governments get to tell somebody watching the same movie in Britain that they can't see the gay sex scenes in that movie.

And the same should go for people taking offence at any number of things. If a film or other work of art, book, or magazine article offends you, nobody is twisting your arm to keep watching or reading it. Just change the channel or put the book down. But don't get self righteous and assume that nobody has a right to disagree with you.
>> No. 30342 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 3:03 pm
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>>30340

It's the exact same fucking thing, you just happen to not live in an Arab country.
>> No. 30345 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 5:29 pm
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>>30342

Indeed. Cancel Culture has been the norm for most of history in most of the planet.

Liberal democracy was a short anomaly.
>> No. 30346 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 5:32 pm
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>>30345
>"What are you going to do? Cancel me?" I yell as they set fire to the pyre under the stake I am tied to.
>> No. 30347 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 5:44 pm
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>>30338

The even broader trouble with cancel culture and its proponents is that it's not even the victimised groups themselves who are offended, or making the noise most of the time. It's sheltered middle class people hearing about something over the internet, and then deciding they're going to make a big stink about it on someone else's behalf. The trouble is that they've often no real idea what they're actually on about, and the echo chamber/reality tunnel effect of Twitter and what have you morphs the whole debate so rapidly it's like Chinese whispers on bath salts. Moreover, their passion about the issue at hand is often entirely in bad faith.

You only have to look at the prominence of the term "latinx" online, which I think we were talking about in another thread recently. It's not directly related to censorship, but it's from the same crowd and has the same kind of online pressure to social conformity. As little as 3% of people from the actual Latin-American populace even give a shit, and most of them actively dislike the concept, perceiving it as a form of American cultural imperialism. So we have to ask ourselves, who is saying latinx, and why?

I don't doubt that there's a lot of people who are well intentioned and think they're doing the best they can to avoid hurting people's feelings and what have you, but I really can't help but see an element of actual malice to it in places, knowingly or unknowingly. Ultimately it's a form of chauvinism by the comfortable middle-class types who primarily make up the cancel culture mob. It's most often speaking up over somebody else, for the purpose of making themselves feel better; in cases like editing out the nasty racism from old films, it's not so it doesn't offend black people, it's so they can pretend it never happened and carry on with their comfortable lives.

And no, this isn't both sides, I'm specifically criticising one side here. I'm saying that woke/cancel culture is a big smokescreen by well off, educated American gen-z types, who are terribly embarrassed and ashamed by the very real privilege their social status gives them. Not because they don't want to be privileged, you understand, but because they dislike the idea of attention being drawn to it. It's far easier for them to pretend to atone for non-existent sins than made to pay for their real ones.
>> No. 30348 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 5:55 pm
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>>30342

You're right, but that's rather besides the point is it not?

I am often put in mind, these days, of the early 2000s when Stewart Lee (he's a comedian, you might have heard of him) was under fire for the controversy surrounding his musical, Jerry Springer: The Opera. Back then it was Christian conservatives forming the "cancel culture" hate mob. The rational argument back then was that nobody is forcing you to watch Jerry Springer: The Opera. And frankly I don't see why that can't still hold true today.

We're regressing, but the frustrating part is the people forming the biggest part of the angry mob are those who should be on the side of liberal sensibilities. We've come full circle, and the counter-culture movement of the 60s and 70s that made today's liberal social values possible are now being targeted, because we've arrived back at a weird neo-purtanism.

I don't know, I just think it's all gone a bit wrong somewhere when the "progressive" youth of today are acting more like the stuffy parents of yesteryear who thought listening to Eminem would destroy children's minds, or that rock and roll was the devil's music.
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15th January 2021
Friday 5:56 pm
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>>30347
What a load of guff.

>sheltered middle class people
>comfortable middle-class types
>comfortable lives
>well off, educated American gen-z types

They're middle class are they, aye.
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15th January 2021
Friday 5:58 pm
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>>30349

Obviously, the working class are all racists remember?
>> No. 30351 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 6:38 pm
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>>30347

I agree with you in that I think much of cancel culture comes from self important white middle class people who either have middle class guilt or who just can't accept their own insignificance.

What I can fully and wholeheartedly buy is when black people in the U.S. take to the streets to protest against racial (police) violence. They are directly at the receiving end of it, and things have become far worse for them under Trump. I support their cause, and I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't feel sympathy.

But unless a black friend personally told me he'd like it if I went to demonstrate with him, I'm not going to just pretend that it is something that affects me as a white middle class person in a similar way. Unlike some white middle class social justice warriors who fall over themselves pretending that they care that much about their one token black friend.


> in cases like editing out the nasty racism from old films, it's not so it doesn't offend black people, it's so they can pretend it never happened and carry on with their comfortable lives.

And they can feel smug about themselves for having helped to make the world that one less bit racist, at least in their minds. Which is what it's all about to them. Not making the world less racist, but feeling smug and important because you've helped censor a 1950s cartoon that only exists in fragments on youtube. Go ahead and ask your black friend if he thinks that'll keep police from causing the death of a black suspect by kneeling on the back of his neck in the street.


>>30348

>We've come full circle, and the counter-culture movement of the 60s and 70s that made today's liberal social values possible are now being targeted, because we've arrived back at a weird neo-purtanism.

Exactly. The counter culture and student protest movement of the late 60s established free love and sex as a way to stick it to the stuffy conservatism of their parents' generation. Promiscuity itself became a rebellious, noble act. But somehow today, all of that is onerous, and weirdly, while LGBT rights have never before been as liberal and permissive as they are today, things like pornography and prostitution are indiscriminately branded by some as violence against women, regardless of the circumstances.

What especially boils my piss is documentaries like "It was alright in the 60s/70s/80s". Yes, racist and misogynistic jokes were rife on daytime and prime-time TV in those decades, ethnic characters were - quite poorly - played by white folk, and women were only there for decoration. But none of that is atoned for by Gen-Zers who are still wet behind the ears (and couldn't make a tape recording from a vinyl record if their life depended on it) cringing at casual blackface on a forgotten, one-off BBC variety show.
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15th January 2021
Friday 6:53 pm
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>>30351

>today, things like pornography and prostitution are indiscriminately branded by some as violence against women, regardless of the circumstances.

Well, unless she's doing it on OnlyFans, because getting your muff out for £6.99 on the pornographic equivalent of Uber is empowering, actually.
>> No. 30355 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 6:54 pm
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>>30348
There's the thing though, nobody's twisting a student's arm to make them go see Mr Steak & Xanax speak, but if he's being paid to attend or otherwise using university resources then they are having their arm twisted to subsidise him. Even if Trump is officially removed from Home Alone 2, nobody's going to struggle to find that footage or the whole original cut if that's what they want to do. You're not going to be sent to jail for watching it, nor is anyone legislating against you hearing from Mr Lobsters.
But in Saudia Arabia you may get your head cut off for watching gay porn.
>> No. 30357 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 7:16 pm
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>>30355

>but if he's being paid to attend or otherwise using university resources then they are having their arm twisted to subsidise him.


That's still a slippery slope though. If you argue that because students pay to be at uni, they get to decide what they want to hear in a lecture, then that's entirely missing the point of higher education.

And just how qualified is a 19 year old who is in the beginning stages of a social science degree to decide which scholarly opinions are of merit and which aren't. It's the tail wagging the dog.

And it'd be a bit like that one rural town in the U.S. that I read about, where the local high school wanted to make an overview of Islam part of their social studies curriculum. It led to an angry mob of parents picketing outside the school proclaiming that their children learning about Muslamics would be the end of all that was good and holy.



Again, life doesn't, and should not be allowed to function based on the principle that you get to shut out opinions and shut up the people who have them just because they don't suit you.
>> No. 30358 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 7:25 pm
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>>30357
>If you argue that because students pay to be at uni, they get to decide what they want to hear in a lecture, then that's entirely missing the point of higher education.
Yes, that's why students dread Fresher's week where they're made to spin the Fresher's Wheel of Fate that picks their course for them. What the fuck are you on about?
>And just how qualified is a 19 year old who is in the beginning stages of a social science degree to decide which scholarly opinions are of merit and which aren't.
What university did you go to where you didn't get to choose either your degree or whether or not to attend in the first place? This is just the Dog Star Man problem all over again. "You're going to university so now you have to pay to be subjected to any old arbitrary nonsense". No, that's insane.
>> No. 30359 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 7:47 pm
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>>30358

>What university did you go to where you didn't get to choose either your degree or whether or not to attend in the first place?

Are you deliberately being thick? That's not what those students are getting themselves in a huff about. It's not whether you go into social science or politology and your right to choose between either degree and between different courses as part of your degree, it's that they want individual professors or lecturers removed, or deplatformed as it is now called, because they don't like that person's opinions on an issue.


>"You're going to university so now you have to pay to be subjected to any old arbitrary nonsense".

Again, that's neither what I meant nor how it really works.


I think the real problem is that Generation Z was raised in an environment where you could essentially get an award for being a biological organism that succeeded at fucking drawing air. They were pampered by their parents in a post-9/11 world of uncertainty where it was all about overparenting and giving junior the best possible environment and shield him or her against the bad outside world.

What they were never taught was the idea that you have to defend your views and opinions and be able to do so, or even just the notion that other opinions exist and should at least in general be afforded the same respect and benefit of doubt as your own opinion. So now at uni and in their job lives they are breaking down in a crying fit because somebody has the audacity to disagree with them, and defend their own opinion. Where preceding generations saw a competition of ideas and views just as good sportsmanship, somebody who doesn't share your Generation-Z, bubble wrapped, sheltered world view is seen as an existential threat to your entire little world.
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15th January 2021
Friday 7:54 pm
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>>30359

Picking, or not picking a degree, is an act of choosing who to, or not to, listen to. You're making a totally arbitrary distinction based on whether it's a few people they're choosing between or many, pretending it's a whole different thing. It's not.

>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Yeah nice one.
>> No. 30361 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 7:55 pm
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There's one lad in this thread being either as deliberately thick or obtuse as possible, so I'm choosing to believe he's a young Guardian or Independent op-ed writer, having a mid-life crisis now that Brexit and Evil Nazi President are in the past and he might start having to find hew things to virtue signal about.
>> No. 30363 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 8:14 pm
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>>30361
>Brexit and Evil Nazi President are in the past
Your stunning insights into the world stage are matched only by your grasp of what's happening in this thread.
>> No. 30364 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 8:19 pm
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>>30359

>What they were never taught was the idea that you have to defend your views and opinions and be able to do so, or even just the notion that other opinions exist and should at least in general be afforded the same respect and benefit of doubt as your own opinion. So now at uni and in their job lives they are breaking down in a crying fit because somebody has the audacity to disagree with them, and defend their own opinion. Where preceding generations saw a competition of ideas and views just as good sportsmanship, somebody who doesn't share your Generation-Z, bubble wrapped, sheltered world view is seen as an existential threat to your entire little world.

See, I agree with your general side of the debate here, but this is where you've gone off the tracks a bit.

Your fundamental error is that you think a reasonable proportion of these people are actually offended, or even have much legitimate grievance at all with the issues they complain about. Some do, but honestly I don't think it's true for the majority. What they have discovered however, is that the language and perception of victimhood can be immensely powerful.

Anyone who has a younger sibling knows well how this dynamic works. You remember clearly the first time your little brother or sister hurts themself, and then when mum comes running, they hold out a shaking hand through the tears, and point at you. No matter how much you protest your innocence, mum will never believe you, and you get bollocked for it while your sibling grins like the evil little shit they are.

Somebody somewhere knows what they are doing with all this, the student lot who go along with it are either playing along because they're useful idiots, feel they have to, or else have something to gain from it. God knows student politics was a tedious bore ten years ago, I can only imagine what it's like today.
>> No. 30365 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 8:23 pm
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>>30363

Run along and write an article about how You Know Who might come back in 2024, you might be able to wring a few more years of livelihood out of all this yet.
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15th January 2021
Friday 8:54 pm
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>>30364

>Your fundamental error is that you think a reasonable proportion of these people are actually offended, or even have much legitimate grievance at all with the issues they complain about


I didn't touch on that because I didn't want to go in a dozen different directions all at once with my post, but you are right. It also goes back and ties into what we said earlier about white middle class activism.


>God knows student politics was a tedious bore ten years ago, I can only imagine what it's like today.

I was in student politics. Being Conservative at uni was a nightmare even twenty years ago. We were deplatformed by angry left-wing mobs even before the word existed. We once invited a Conservative politician to give a public speaking appearance, but his office told us the day before that they had been made aware of threats against him from amongst the student body, and that they feared his safety could not be completely guaranteed.

At least we tried to get a competent speaker on education politics to address issues that actually mattered to students. The biggest achievement of one marxist/left-wing student group that year was a resolution condemning the imprisonment of Mumia Abu Jamal.
>> No. 30367 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 8:57 pm
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>>30366
>We once invited a Conservative politician to give a public speaking appearance
So you wanted to choose who to listen to?
>> No. 30368 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 9:04 pm
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>>30367

Christ, lad.
>> No. 30369 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 9:07 pm
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>>30368
Look, like you said, you were at university and the point of being at university is to be exposed to points of view you're not comfortable with. If you're just going to invite speakers who you already agree with then that goes against everything you say university is supposed to be about.
I'm also curious about how you explain
>We were deplatformed by angry left-wing mobs even before the word existed.
with your rant about Gen Z.
>> No. 30370 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 9:11 pm
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>>30366

The people opposing you in your student days wouldn't know what Marxism was if it bit them on their feminine cock and then nationalised their arsehole. Your frustration is with "the left", but I assure you, I am on the left and I hate these pricks.

Which is why the point about middle class appropriation is so salient. A movement led by those sorts of people never can, never will, nor indeed is it even interested in improving the lot of working class people. One can be forgiven for thinking it seems altogether as if that's the whole point.
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15th January 2021
Friday 10:13 pm
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>>30369

The difference between us and the Left still would have been that we probably wouldn't have made threats against a speaker invited by them. Labour Students could have invited Tony Blair himself, and although I've always thought he was an insufferable git, there would have been a chance that I'd gone there to hear him speak. Maybe even ask a few prying questions. But nobody from our group, or even other more right-wing student groups would have tried to keep him from appearing and speaking in the first place.

In that sense, we would have had no problem at all with a Labour party member presenting their opposing views, which more than likely would have been very different from ours, in a university setting. And that is the point. And in its own way, it's also what I meant by displaying good sportsmanship in the competition of opposing views.


>>30370

You're right, in that it seems that a good number among the Left's Intelligentsia are so absorbed in their pies in the sky that they will do fuck all to improve worker's rights or working class incomes. Case in point, again, a Marxist student group drafting a resolution to free Mumia Abu Jamal. How the fuck was that going to change anything for the struggling uni student with working class parents who had no support from home, unlike all those sons and daughters of barristers or doctors.
>> No. 30372 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 10:21 pm
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>>30371

>The difference between us and the Left still would have been
True, the right are well known for never threatening anyone's lives in any way.
No, sorry, I don't buy that. I've been arguing both for and against censorship in this thread to try and make sense of it because the arguments on both sides don't make sense, but yours make the least. You're arguing purely that people shouldn't be allowed to choose who to listen to, except when you get to decide they don't, and the difference is to do with scale, until it comes to your choices; where it doesn't.

>good sportsmanship in the competition of opposing views.
That's hilarious.
>> No. 30373 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 11:30 pm
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Having experience both ends of the political spectrum in my uni days, both sides are guilty of silencing voices they don't agree with. Tories/J-Soc kicked off about Young Labour hosting a talk by a guy who was apparently an antisemite. Left Soc kicked off about Tory Association hosting Milo (though he didn't turn up as this was the peak of his fame and he was therefore too important to attend). Saying that only the left take issue with dissenting voices is not fair.
>> No. 30377 Anonymous
16th January 2021
Saturday 12:00 am
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>>30373

BOTH SIDES11!!1
>> No. 30378 Anonymous
16th January 2021
Saturday 12:12 am
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>>30371

>You're right, in that it seems that a good number among the Left's Intelligentsia are so absorbed in their pies in the sky that they will do fuck all to improve worker's rights or working class incomes.

Again, part of the issue is that to call these people "the left" is about on par with calling a creamy pasta dish carbonara, and it twists my ballbag every bit as much as are Gino on This Morning when people misidentify them as such. At best those people are just bland liberals trying to clothe their pet concerns in a bit more dramatic legitimacy, at worst they are active grifters appropriating and distorting leftist discourse to their own end.

If I was a conservative, I would probably say the same about people like Trump or BoJo, who don't represent free market competition in any meaningful sense, in that really they are just corrupt crony capitalists handing out cash to their mates. It's all about nepotism underneath, and dressing themselves in the pretense of a libertarian ideal just lends them legitimacy.

Pic related, here is a man essentially saying "any leftist who is actually a leftist is a white supremacist". To what end he finds this position helpful is your guess as well as mine, but what we can probably agree on is that it's both wrong and fucking retarded.
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16th January 2021
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>> No. 30381 Anonymous
16th January 2021
Saturday 1:38 am
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>>30379

We'd all like to say that, but this thread wouldn't be here were it not for cunts on Twitter.
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16th January 2021
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>>30381
Now he gets it.
>> No. 30386 Anonymous
16th January 2021
Saturday 10:58 am
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>>30371
You say you would have been happy to hear Blair speak, knowing he was the figurehead of the most rightward shift in philosophy the Labour Party has ever seen.

What if had been Jeremy Corbyn or Ken Livingstone or Chris Williamson? I bet you would have been front and centre speaking to the student media about how disgraceful it was that the lefties wanted to hear from someone who had been so jolly awful to our chums in Israel.
>> No. 30390 Anonymous
16th January 2021
Saturday 3:42 pm
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>>30378

Situations like this just, the best way to show these people up is to agree with their accusations, they'll shut up quickly as they don't really have an argument to back things up they just want to label you.

I was accused of being a racist for some reason or another and the whole conversation was going around it circles. When I eventually said, yes, I am actually, the other lad soon shut up and we went about our day as normal.
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16th January 2021
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>>30390
It really is a useful tactic to end tedious bullshit.
>> No. 30404 Anonymous
17th January 2021
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/historians-having-to-tape-together-records-that-trump-tore-up?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

>Implications for public record and legal proceedings after administration seized or destroyed papers, notes and other information

>White House staff quickly learned about Trump’s disregard for documents as they witnessed him tearing them up and discarding them. “My director came up to me and said, ‘You have to tape these together,’” said Solomon Lartey, a former White House records analyst.

>The first document he taped back together was a letter from Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, about a government shutdown. “They told [Trump] to stop doing it. He didn’t want to stop.”

This Presidency sounds like it was an absolute shitshow. You had senior advisors pulling documents from his desk before he could sign them hoping he would forget that he wanted to leave NATO the day before, and staffers reassembling torn up documents retrieved from trash cans.
>> No. 30408 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 2:23 pm
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>>30404
>This Presidency sounds like it was an absolute shitshow.


I think the whole four years were a - poorly carried out - attempt to implement an autocratic regime in America. At least as far as Trump himself was concerned. In his mind, somewhere.

But he was shit at being an autocrat just as he was shit at many of his attempted business ventures. He's a dabbler, who likes to get into things way over his head without knowing the first thing about something. Just google things like Trump's failed airline or Trump Steaks. And this kind of dabbling mentality also meant that he was essentially out of his depth being a competent U.S. President.

I'm not saying you can't develop an interest in politics later in life and be a good mayor or MP or congressman. But the highest government positions IMO should always be reserved for career politicians who have been in politics for a long time and who have risen through the ranks. Which is still no guarantee that you'll have competent people at the helm, but it should go a long way avoiding unmitigated clusterfucks like Trump's presidency.
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17th January 2021
Sunday 2:48 pm
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>>30408

>the highest government positions IMO should always be reserved for career politicians

I very strongly disagree with this being that the biggest political problem today IMO is not a question of competence, but of the political elite not sharing common interest (or even having empathy for) the people they are elected to represent.

I think your case for the 'career politician' can more strongly be made for having a good Civil Service. As this is an institution that spans generations and ensures stability whilst tempering any major damaging change that could be implemented by any given individual or seasonal public mood. Although I do understand that both wings are pretty anti-Civil Service these days and whilst I agree that the criticisms of it are value I would contend that throwing the baby out with the bathwater has set western democracy back a century or so.
>> No. 30410 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 2:49 pm
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>>30409
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>> No. 30415 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 4:26 pm
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>>30409

>the political elite not sharing common interest (or even having empathy for) the people they are elected to represent.


That is indeed true, and you can't argue against it in a convincing way. But it'll be made worse, as we've seen with Trump, by electing a complete outsider with absolutely no political experience to be President, or maybe in our case Prime Minister.

People like David Cameron certainly had no believable empathy for the common person and their everyday problems. But Trump's style of leadership behind closed doors, if what you read in the media can be believed, was an iron-fisted top-down approach, more like a corporate tyrant than a top-tier politician of a democratically elected government, with little understanding or even regard for the actual options for action that a President has by law.

And in that respect, I think the world will be better of with somebody like Joe Biden, who has worked nearly all his life in politics and knows the political apparatus from within like the back of his hand. Do we still need to watch him closely to see if he shows empathy for the common people as President? Absolutely. But at this point, almost anything is better than the dysfunctional shit show of the Trump years.
>> No. 30416 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 4:28 pm
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>>30404

Is anyone surprised? Say what you want about the American political system, but the way any random arsehole can actually become the president is quite baffling at times like this, but people act as if this isn't exactly the sort of situation it leaves them open to.

Trump is the quintessential blagger. He's no idea what he's doing at anything, but over the years it's worked out well enough for him regardless when he's just decided to have a go anyway. What's the worst that can happen, right? This is just one of the instances where it turns out you can't pick it up as you go along. There's a great number of things in life this attitude will serve you very well in, and a great number of fields where the "experts" are basically all just in it together to prevent others finding out it's all nonsense. Running a country isn't really one of them.

How many of us have incompetent bosses who we wonder how the fuck they possibly got there? Trump's presidency has just been four years of that, except it's the boss of the Oval Office, not the Durham Stationary Supplies Ltd office, and the way he got there is exactly how one is meant to get there, not just because he's mates with the director.
>> No. 30421 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 5:44 pm
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>>30416
I don't believe you misspelled "Stationery" intentionally even if it does fit the scenario.
>> No. 30424 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 6:14 pm
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>>30421

It's a pun that I made especially for you, grammarlad. The supplies they sell don't move.
>> No. 30430 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 6:54 pm
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I reckon Biden will get Covid under control in Yankland faster than we manage it here.
>> No. 30431 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 7:00 pm
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>>30424
It's a company that's clearly going nowhere.
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17th January 2021
Sunday 10:55 pm
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Republicans are framing the second impeachment as a vindictive gesture by the democrats as if inciting a coup wasn't a worthy of response, and defensible. They are vermin.
>> No. 30438 Anonymous
17th January 2021
Sunday 11:54 pm
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>>30437

For a country that only exists because of a coup, that's not really a valid argument.
>> No. 30439 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 12:38 am
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>>30438
There was a basis in reality for that "coup" though. It's really important that no one forgets what happened on January 6th was birthed from nonsense and lies. Not even halfway lies, but completely made up "my girlfriend goes to another school"-tier lies.
>> No. 30440 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 12:38 am
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>>30438

If there was a hypothetical next time perhaps they could work on actually winning the thing so they don't end up an embarrassing naive laughing stock and getting the president impeached again.
But until that happens I don't think 'they overthrew the government in the past' is a sound defence.
>> No. 30441 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 12:45 am
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>>30439
>>30440

There's all sorts of ways you can criticise them and point out why their reasoning was invalid, but the basic premise of it being an attempted violent revolution (if indeed you can really call it that) is not one of them, in the context of America. Remember why they have that precious second amendment of theirs in the first place, right? It's right there baked into the constitution.

I'm not defending them, just being a bit of a pedant. It seems a bit hypocritical to me that Americans who value their liberty and all that so much, even the lefty ones, are so up in arms about the idea of citizens actually putting that rhetoric into action.
>> No. 30442 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 1:52 am
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>>30441
>but the basic premise of it being an attempted violent revolution (if indeed you can really call it that) is not one of them

Overthrowing democracies, because you didn't get your way is generally regarded as poor form regardless of where it was.

The American founding argument that you have misrepresented was "we have no representation" you can't apply it to a free and fair election.
>> No. 30444 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 2:14 am
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>>30442

>we have no representation

That's an exceptionally naive interpretation of the reasons behind the America revolution, I must say.
>> No. 30445 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 8:47 am
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>>30442
>Overthrowing democracies, because you didn't get your way is generally regarded as poor form
Has anyone let the CIA know this?
>> No. 30446 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 11:09 am
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>>30444
Not really, representation is a word for control/power but without the pejorative connotations. It is rather smug of you to think everyone else is stupid.
>> No. 30447 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 11:14 am
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>>30445
they didn't need to, the CIA used MKUltra to beam the information out of their heads obviously.
>> No. 30448 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 11:22 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3zRKwonav8
>> No. 30449 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 11:52 am
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>>30442
Jefferson was quite adamant actually that all revolts are good things and made this clear following the Shay Rebellion. You can broadly summarise his thinking as 'the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.' As American commoners will but he leaves no real illusion:

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/105.html

>The American founding argument that you have misrepresented was "we have no representation" you can't apply it to a free and fair election.

It's no taxation without representation - a carry over from the English Civil War. It's also much more convoluted covering other factors that American propaganda papers over such as geographic sentiments that an island shouldn't rule a continent.

I'm really not sure how deep you want to go on this. The best approach to understand the American psyche is probably the writing of Adam Smith speaking of the detrimental role state monopolies played in the era (in particular the East India Company which caused the whole mess with bailouts etc.) and the idea that Parliament should maybe move to North America.

>>30448
I wonder what they're doing now.
>> No. 30454 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 1:27 pm
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/18/politics/riley-june-williams-fbi-investigation/index.html

>The tipster "also claimed to have spoken to friends of Williams, who showed (the tipster) a video of Williams taking a laptop computer or hard drive from Speaker Pelosi's office," the affidavit says. The tipster "stated that Williams intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia's foreign intelligence service."


The Russians probably already obtained all that information with their recent cyber attacks on the U.S., so I doubt they'd be interested.

Also though, that's treason and/or espionage. Wikipedia says that as a federal offence in the U.S., it can even carry a death sentence.
>> No. 30455 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 1:29 pm
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>>30454

As various infosec types have pointed out, the network in the capitol was never well hardened to begin with, anyone who wants has been in there for a long time.
Doesn't mean the guy knew that.
>> No. 30463 Anonymous
18th January 2021
Monday 8:30 pm
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>>30455

>Doesn't mean the guy knew that.

He did have balls of steel, if that story tracks. Or he was just incredibly dumb, depending on your view point. Breaking into a government building and causing disarray is one thing. But nicking a government official's laptop and attempting to sell its contents to a less-than-friendly foreign country is quite another.

Probably thought he was some sort of poor man's James Bond.

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