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>> No. 38927 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 1:00 am
38927 Over 1,000 children in Telford were sexually exploited, inquiry finds
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds

>More than a thousand children in Telford were sexually exploited over decades amid the failure of authorities to investigate “emboldened offenders”, an independent inquiry into the scandal has concluded.

>The three-year independent inquiry into child sexual exploitation (IICSE) found that abuse was allowed to continue for years and children, rather than perpetrators, were often blamed.

>Issues were not investigated because of nervousness about race, the inquiry’s final report said, and teachers and youth workers were discouraged from reporting child sexual exploitation.

The poor lad from the Muslamic Ray Guns video tried to warn us and now we're having a second helping of crow pie after Rotherham.
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>> No. 38928 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 1:15 am
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>However, the report states that following the convictions, authorities failed to understand the importance of maintaining focus in this area and “by 2015 both the council and [West Mercia police] provision for child sexual exploitation [CSE] had in some ways gone back almost a decade”.
>“Even after Operation Chalice, police and the council scaled down their specialist CSE teams to virtual zero – to save money,” Crowther concluded.

So do other council have rape gangs running wild or is it just a mysterious Telford thing?
>> No. 38929 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 7:17 am
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>>38928
I'd imagine this horrific shit has been and is going on in every major city and town for decades.
>> No. 38930 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 7:22 am
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>>38929
It has, >>16120, but the mods generally don't like us talking about it.
>> No. 38931 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 9:16 am
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I'll bet my ballbag it's because you're massive nutter and that's also why you've already derailed your own thread to whinge about the mods.
>> No. 38932 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 12:00 pm
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It's all about class. It has always been about class.
>> No. 38933 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 12:37 pm
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>>38932
I don't know if that's true. Intra public schoolboy buggery was all the rage, might still be, I can't say, and was seen as entirely permissable for reasons I can't even begin to fathom. I think the rationale for allowing these two kinds of child sexual exploitation is probably very different, but ultimately it's the same idea that "sometimes kids can be raped and that's a-okay!". My understanding is that until the 1990s there was always at least one teacher at any school who in every sense couldn't be trusted around the girls, but inexplicably still was, and again I can't say if that's still the case or not. I don't know, I'm just letting thoughts fall out of my head and onto my keyboard now.

As for the OP, the one thing I can't get my head around is this point about how the authorities were worried about being labled racists. Because surely whatever internal moral code you have that is afraid of racism, must also be anti-child abuse, right? Unless what they really mean is "we'd have to do a load of work if we turn over this rock", although I have to say that's not something I'd considered synonymous with racism before.
>> No. 38934 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 12:57 pm
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>>38933

Do you remember the 2010s at all? It was a different and much more naive time, before Brexit and the rise of right wing populism in general. Back then it was much easier to dismiss people like the Muslamic Ray Gun lad as merely reactionary, racist bigots, not worthy of consideration or engagement.

And there's a hint of truth to that, of course- They were a bit racist. But there's also the fact they were right. They weren't just making up silly fibs to justify hatred, they were reacting to real things that were really occurring in their communities. We can't ignore that now, because we're living in the consequences of ignoring it then.

Which is where class comes into it. You have to wonder what the agenda was here, when the consequences have so evidently been so dire. Immigration is both a goldmine of cheap labour, and the most effective way of undercutting the bargaining power of the working class, and our elites have enjoyed reaping the benefits of over several waves throughout the 20th century. Immigration was something our elites were not prepared to discuss. Thus the media narrative was enforced that immigration good, anyone with even the most rational and balanced concerns over it is a neo-nazi, and that's that. Cut and dry, no room for deviation.

The charge that authorities were "afraid of looking racist" is really a reflection of the climate of the time. Much like you can be cancelled by the woke illuminati today for saying women don't have willies, back then, the wrongthink you had to avoid at all costs was the implication that immigrants can be anything but wonderful hardworking cherubs of pure, wholesome salt of the earth decency. Questioning that made you a BNP skinhead certified webmaster, and you wouldn't have any friends.

The current cursed apocalyptic timeline we live in is exactly what people like me and classwarriorlad have always tried to warn the rest of you about. You can patronise and belittle people like the Muslamic Raygun lad all you want, but you're only shooting yourself in the foot when you do so. Neoliberalism got too confident in its grip on power, and sowed the seeds of its own downfall in the rise of a new populism.
>> No. 38935 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 12:59 pm
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>>38934

Well, more like early-mid-00s to the early 10's I suppose.
>> No. 38936 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 3:17 pm
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>>38934
>Immigration was something our elites were not prepared to discuss. Thus the media narrative was enforced that immigration good, anyone with even the most rational and balanced concerns over it is a neo-nazi, and that's that. Cut and dry, no room for deviation.
You're a moron.
>> No. 38937 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 3:49 pm
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>>38936
I wouldn't call the gutterpress a discussion with the elite. It pretty much goes without saying that the views of the country were largely ignored by the political establishment and we got Brexit as a result.
>> No. 38938 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:05 pm
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>>38937
Come off it. I think there's merit to your earlier post, but you can't pretend like New Labour shut down debate around immigration when they were, in reality, one of the main reasons it came to dominate the headlines. They were perfectly happy to throw asylum seekers under the bus and the biggest papers in the country lapped it up, until Labour lost control of the monster it created and it ate them alive.

Besides, laplanderstani migrants seem far more likely to end up starting a small business, working in a relative's small business or buying up a street of properties and becoming another bastard landlord than being "cheap labour". I'll admit this is purely annecdotal, so if anyone can tell me what usually becomes of them I'm all ears. Eyes? Whatever.
>> No. 38939 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:09 pm
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>>38937

Rupert Murdoch isn't the elite? Newspapers are not part of the media narrative? Shut the fuck up.
>> No. 38940 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:40 pm
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>>38936

>the only media outlet saying anything was the single most populist right wing one, the one that literally supported the Nazis, printing overblown hyperbole

You are very much proving the point.
>> No. 38941 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:41 pm
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>>38938
We had successive governments that completely failed to suppress mass immigration and the most honest exchange we got was Brown calling someone a bigot. There was no national debate on immigration and our government even went further than required under EU Law to get Eastern European immigrants in to do our washing machines.

I make no claim to being the otherlad.

>Besides, laplanderstani migrants seem far more likely to end up starting a small business, working in a relative's small business or buying up a street of properties and becoming another bastard landlord than being "cheap labour". I'll admit this is purely annecdotal, so if anyone can tell me what usually becomes of them I'm all ears. Eyes? Whatever.

You've got it a bit backwards and it's become reflected in our politics. Indian immigrants were the business class and moved into commercial areas that now make up a sizeable percent of Tory voters, laplanderstani and Bangladeshis moved into the industrial heartland and went Labour. The cycle is self-sustaining as immigrants exert gravity on each-other so you end up with minority communities that are generationally poor and isolated.

Covid and Brexit should've long since proven that immigration suppresses wages so it seems a bit silly to argue. Should we turn our attention back to the whole rape thing?
>> No. 38942 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:49 pm
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>>38938

>laplanderstani migrants seem far more likely to end up starting a small business, working in a relative's small business or buying up a street of properties and becoming another bastard landlord than being "cheap labour".

Laplanderstanis are only a very small proportion of the migrants we've had over the last couple of decades. The vast majority have been eastern European (which I won't complain about, I'm shagging one and she's fitter than any British bird I've ever met).

Overall though I think it's very hard to dispute that the dominant mainstream viewpoint in those days, the "right way of thinking", was that you had to be pro-migrant and if you weren't you were an EDL gammon with a British bulldog tattooed on your sunburnt beer-belly wearing a Man U shirt. That still goes on to this day, it's just that the pendulum has swung around to the populist right wing side holding the upper hand over the neoliberals. (The left doesn't come into it at all, by the way, because we haven't had one since the 70s.)

It's all divide and conquer, and in a state of affairs like this, nobody is listening to the case for class based politics. So whoever wins, we lose.
>> No. 38944 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:23 pm
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>>38934
>they were reacting to real things that were really occurring in their communities
Funny how that only applied to things done by brown men from the Arctic, though.
>> No. 38945 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:27 pm
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>>38938
It's remarkable how well new Labour managed to whitewash themselves as being a nice bunch of liberals who made the error of developing a soft spot for immigrants, all things considered.
(You'll never guess which ministerial post this nice man held under Gordon Brown.)
>> No. 38946 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:36 pm
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>>38944

That's an unproveable statement. For all you know there's plenty of overlap between the muslamic rayguns cadre and the normal white folk Facebook pedo vigilante network. Furthermore, even if you could give evidence that they only cared about brown noncing, that doesn't excuse the noncing, it's just whataboutism.
>> No. 38947 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:49 pm
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>>38933

Read the inquiry reports on Telford and Rotherham. Complaints by victims were dismissed because the girls involved were perceived as "slags" and "prostitutes". The police were afraid of kindling the kind of tensions that led to race riots in Oldham, Bradford and Harehills in 2001. Community concerns were dismissed by politicians and senior police officers as racist conspiracy theories. Investigating these crimes was simply inconvenient and nobody in a position of power actually cared about the victims.

None of this would have happened if the victims were middle class. Class created the conditions that made these girls vulnerable to exploitation; classism gave the authorities the motive and opportunity to sweep these crimes under the carpet. If anything, the racial element was a convenient misdirection, drawing attention from all the ways in which working class people were systematically ignored and mistreated.
>> No. 38949 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:53 pm
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>>38945
If we're going by individual members of the party then this could get very confusing very quickly. But the Guardian did a good read on just how much of a catastrophic fuck-up Labour oversaw even as Blair was ostensibly obsessed with immigration:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story
>> No. 38950 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 5:57 pm
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>>38942
In fairness, class based politics doesn't really offer many direct answers on immigration. It's all well and good to go "ah, immigration lowers wages for local workers", but it's a half-done class analysis that leaves it at that without considering the other side of the balance sheet: that it represents a pay increase for the migrant on the other side of it. You wind up either falling back to "regardless, the working class worldwide should topple their capitalist bosses" or putting on some blinders as an excuse to look only at the national economy.
>> No. 38951 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 6:09 pm
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>>38950

I think the thing is more that when your perspective is rooted in class analysis, it's easier to take the blinkers off over the more emotional, feelings rooted stuff, that generally results in the "muslamics are rapists and fanny mutilators" versus "ooh this is mean and wacist" stalemate.

The issue most working class people individually have with immigrants is not that they're brown or that they're stealing jobs they otherwise wouldn't want or whatever. It's that they can't get doctor's appointments, their kids can't get houses, services and communities in general are overcrowded. Those tensions exacerbate the more emotional, rhetorical side of the debate, in part because those people aren't quite articulate enough to really voice their concerns in ways that the middle class cultural gatekeepers find acceptable.

If we'd have been able to have the conversation about if we ought to invest more in services to accomodate a growing population or else think about slowing down the inflow of migrants, and acknowledge that they are, whichever way you slice it, at least related; we would be in a much better place today.

Of course, we didn't have that conversation because neither side of the debate at the higher echelons of power actually wanted to frankly confront things that involve spending more money and keeping poor people's lives comfortable.
>> No. 38952 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 6:46 pm
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>>38950

>In fairness, class based politics doesn't really offer many direct answers on immigration.

You get a lot closer to having answers if you acknowledge that immigration doesn't benefit everyone. Immigration probably is positive-sum, but there are clear externalities and it's totally unfair to just dump those externalities on the people least able to bear them. Even if you don't morally object to that on a utilitarian basis, the political and societal risks should be fairly obvious.

IMO the emotive dichotomy described by >>38951 is really just a bourgeois smokescreen - it's convenient for the kind of people who describe themselves as anti-racist if the working class blame immigrants rather than blaming them.

It's convenient to caricature people as racist morons, rather than recognising that the kind of people who bear the negative externalities of immigration have also been denied the kind of education that would allow them to phrase their concerns in acceptable middle class language. It's convenient to divide-and-rule the council estates rather than addressing the underlying issues. The BNP weren't anti-establishment, they were allowed to flourish as a containment strategy. Someone who is trying to TEK ARE CUNTRY BACK from the immigrants isn't trying to take it back from the people who actually stole it. I think buy-to-let bastards quietly breathe a sigh of relief every time someone blames the housing crisis on immigration.
>> No. 38953 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 7:08 pm
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>>38946
I'm not trying to excuse the noncing. I'm calling you out for trying to excuse their racism.
>> No. 38954 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 8:20 pm
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>>38951
>their kids can't get houses
That's a middle-class problem. Class has nothing to do with it. Have you tried not being a class-obsessed reductionist? And when you take into account that it affects every social class, why is only one class racist and why is that excusable?
>> No. 38955 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 8:29 pm
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>>38954

Bait harder lad

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