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>> No. 64250 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 6:46 pm
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This man is going to be the next President of the US and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 64251 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:10 pm
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>it's going to be fucking awesome.

Kill yourself. He's a dumb, racist, joke, as are you by association.
>> No. 64252 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:12 pm
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>>64251
So?
>> No. 64253 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:13 pm
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He's the only one who can save America from the Mexican hordes.
>> No. 64254 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:13 pm
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>>64252
I agree with the first lad, it's not 'awesome' when buffoonish but genuinely nasty people wield power. I bet you want Jeremy Clarkson or Boris Johnson to be Prime Minister too.
>> No. 64257 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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His Twitter account alone amazes me.
>> No. 64259 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:48 pm
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>>64253
Bhutan? Fucking BHUTAN? All I can assume is that there are about 6 legal migrants in North Dakota and 3 of them are a Bhutanese family.
>> No. 64260 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 7:54 pm
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I hear his campaign theme song is going to be this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROR1mpAxri0
>> No. 64263 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 8:13 pm
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>>64250
>first orange president.jpg
That's a shame. Boehner had hoped to take that title.
>> No. 64267 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 8:33 pm
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>>64251
>dumb
>made billions of dollars from a few million

I'm sure you're much smarter m80
>> No. 64270 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 8:37 pm
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>>64267

Not like he hires people to do that for him. I'm sure he sits down at his kitchen table and manages all his finances himself when he's not on Twitter being an obnoxious moron and replying to every single insult.
>> No. 64271 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 8:41 pm
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>>64250
The chance of Trump getting the nomination is incredibly slim, and even if he beats those odds, the chance of him winning against Clinton is essentially 0%. The Republicans have a serious (and growing) demographic problem, and the best way to make it a lethal problem is to get idiots like Trump on the national stage.

>>64267
As we all know, no moron has ever made money.
>> No. 64274 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:13 pm
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You two really are enlightened by your own intelligence aren't you? No, idiots do not just luck their way into being a multi-billionaire, sure, Trump was >privileged in his upbringing but he made his fortune with intelligence and a deep knowledge of how markets work.

>obnoxious

This isn't even an argument imo, as Trump himself says, he doesn't have to be likeable, who'd you rather have? Some asshole who can actually do his job or a nice guy who can't?
>> No. 64275 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:20 pm
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>>64271
Not even 60% of the voting population bothered to turn out last time around, there are a lot of people who are just fed up with career politicians, people are tired of Bushes and Clintons, I honestly don't know why the British media is painting it as though Hillary is somehow destined to win, she has more scandals than anyone else running, is terrible with the media, poor in debates and quite frankly unlikable, just because she's a woman doesn't gift her the presidency.
>> No. 64276 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:29 pm
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Bernie can take him.
>> No. 64278 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:46 pm
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>>64274
A turnout of less than 60% would be a real wake up call if not for the fact that there hasn't been a turnout higher than that in nearly 50 years, mate. Hilary has extremely positive ratings within the party (80% plus favourability).

US politics have grown incredibly partisan over the past couple of decades. The key to winning elections isn't convincing the other people to switch sides, it's to convince the people on your side to turn up and vote. The excitement of electing a woman as president will no doubt be a factor in favour of turning out the vote for Clinton. She's not without her problems, and she certainly isn't "destined" to be gifted the presidency, but the odds are objectively on her side at this point in time.

>>64274
I can't believe I actually have to say these words: Donald Trump would not do a good job as president. He would be an asshole who can't do his job. The worst of both worlds.

Luckily, however, he is not in a million years going to be President.
>> No. 64279 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:50 pm
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>>64276

I really hope he gets the nomination, and the presidency. Hilary is as vicious a neo-con as anybody.

Bernie/Corbyn pax Anglo-Sphere when?! Don't tell me, we all know the answer already.
>> No. 64280 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:52 pm
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>>64276
Bernie is not going to be President either. Nor is he going to be the Democratic nominee.
>> No. 64281 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 9:58 pm
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>>64279
You can disagree with someone's foreign policy without calling them a neoconservative, just so you know. That word actually has a meaning, and it would be a real shame to have it turn into "person to my right who I don't like", like "fascist".
>> No. 64282 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 10:07 pm
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>>64278
Yeah, you're right, voter apathy has been chronic for decades, Hillary is popular within her party, but the base isn't going to win the election for her, Romney is still popular in the GOP even now, in spite of being a shit candidate.

I think people are a bit fatigued about "firsts" after the first black president, I know European and Brit media sugarcoat the issue but Obama is not and has not been popular for a long time now, it's not as bad as Bush in his twilight years, but his ratings are mediocre at best. I think looking at the larger picture the Republicans have a good chance, there is almost a pattern of them having 8 years each.

I think he would be a good president, he has balls, can self finance his campaign so not beholden to lobbyists, certainly understand the economy better than anyone else running and would make the rest of the world respect America again, not respect in way you're thinking, the "oh, that Obama guy, he's cool" way, but in a "No, we'd better not invade Crimea" way.

Trump is the most Reagan like candidate since Reagan tbh.
>> No. 64283 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 10:20 pm
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>>64281

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

And she voted to go to war with Iraq. She's a neo-con, like most in D.C..
>> No. 64284 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 10:30 pm
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>>64283
Trump was always against it as a matter of interest.
>> No. 64285 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 10:33 pm
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>>64284

That's great, but he's also a racist billionaire, so it's moot.
>> No. 64287 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 10:41 pm
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>>64285
Obama's racist too, just not against blacks. Most Americans are sick of being Mexico's dustbin as well, it's baffling that the Republicans won't nut up and battle the issue head on, it's not like hispanics are going to vote for Jeb just because he sucks up to them. They'll always vote Dem. Another moderate like Mitt is the last guy they need to win.
>> No. 64288 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:00 pm
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>>64282
I'd be surprised if Romney ever touched 80% favourability within the GOP, even at the "height" of his popularity.

European and "Brit" media don't habitually report about the popularity ratings of American presidents one way or the other mate, it's not exactly a pressing concern.

Based on his actual statements on policy, there is no reason to believe Trump understands the economy. There is every reason to believe he is clown. The prospect of trying to convey why this is to someone dense enough to think he's some sort of genius strongman doesn't really interest me. Luckily, it doesn't matter, because he will not be the Republican nominee, and he will not be president.

Like Ron Paul, the sheer size of the portion of the party who are hostile to him and his ideas and will never come around to agreeing with him means that there is a hard ceiling on his support. Paul consistently polled in the top few candidates in 2012, and yet there was never any chance of him actually winning the nomination, because despite his vocal supporters, most of the party were not interested in him or what he was selling.

Another key factor is Trump's inherent inability to secure the endorsement of party actors, which is crucial to winning the nomination. It isn't about throwing money around, it's about having an actual efficient operation spreading your message. If you want to start from scratch building that operation, you have a really fucking hard time ahead of you. When you have influential supporters in your party (representatives, senators and especially governors) who already have a successful infrastructure in place, it becomes a lot easier. People like Bush, Walker, Rubio, and even Rand have been seriously planning this for years. Trump's campaign, on the other hand, is so half assed it's hard to tell whether or not it is or was a publicity stunt.

Trump can fill a room with thousands of people. Ron Paul could too. So can Bernie Sanders. None of them have ever or will ever have a real chance of becoming president, though, because that simply isn't how it works.

>>64283
Again, you disagree with her foreign policy. I do too! Doesn't mean she's a neocon.
>> No. 64289 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:06 pm
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>>64274
Why did you put that chevron before the word privileged?
>> No. 64290 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:07 pm
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>>64287
>Obama's racist too, just not against blacks
Oh good, this will definitely stimulate an intelligent discussion.
>> No. 64291 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:08 pm
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>>64289
I would guess that he's straight off the funchan banana boat.
>> No. 64292 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:25 pm
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>>64288
The point about popularity is that the Democrats have fallen out of favour, it isn't often a party can stay in power for three terms, the last time was with Bush Sr. and he was carrying the torch from the extremely popular Reagan.

>statements of policy

Sorry to say but 90% of voters don't really give a shit, charisma matters, that's how Presidential elections have worked ever since the television, and Trump is the most charismatic candidate. How tall the guy is, his delivery and overall confidence, a well funded campaign, these things are in all honesty more important than policy. Sounds trollish but that's the reality of things.

Poor old Ron was someone they could easily sweep under the carpet, Trump is not. he's also the type of guy that could well go third party and split the vote, a la Ross Perot.

>endorsement

The guy's established and has money to burn, he doesn't need it, but if he keeps up momentum they'll have no choice but to support him.

The real brunt of your argument is that you don't think Trump can win because he's Trump, they said the same about a certain cowboy actor.
>> No. 64293 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:29 pm
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>>64290
I would say something like he isn't doing anything significant about Ferguson or racial equality, but then I remembered Congress is controlled by the Republicans, so he can't.
>> No. 64294 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:35 pm
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>>64293

What do you think Obama needs to do about racial equality?
>> No. 64295 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:38 pm
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>>64292
The comment on his economic acumen was in response to the suggestion that Trump understands the economy better than anybody running, not a comment on his electability.

>The guy's established and has money to burn, he doesn't need it, but if he keeps up momentum they'll have no choice but to support him.
He has name recognition because he's a reality TV star. He is not "established". You are ignoring the explanation I gave as to why those endorsements matter. In fact, you're ignoring almost everything I said.

>The real brunt of your argument is that you don't think Trump can win because he's Trump, they said the same about a certain cowboy actor.
I have given very good reasons why he can't win, the fact that you haven't engaged with them doesn't mean they don't exist. But yeah, maybe if Trump becomes a governor and is extremely popular with his constituents at his time of leaving office, I'll reconsider.
>> No. 64296 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:45 pm
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>>64292
>they said the same about a certain cowboy actor
Yes, and John Wayne didn't win either.
>> No. 64297 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:52 pm
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>>64296

Almost every time I hear or see the name John Wayne, I spend 0.5 seconds confusing him with Johnny Cash.

Sage for complete irreverence.
>> No. 64298 Anonymous
15th July 2015
Wednesday 11:55 pm
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>>64294
Well, here are some suggestions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-obama-should-do-now-address-racial-inequality/2012/11/09/4bac5210-29de-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html
>For example, in addition to lowering mandatory minimum sentences, the administration should stop funding the Byrne grant program, which provides federal money for state and local criminal law enforcement. These grants are often awarded to cities and states with high rates of arrest and conviction, therefore encouraging aggressive policing.

>As is well known, high incarceration rates reduce employability and civic participation, and weaken family bonds. The president and his congressional allies ought to advocate for legislation that would ban employers from requiring former felons to identify themselves as such. This might help address the incredibly high unemployment among ex-offenders and better enable them to rebuild their lives after serving their time.

>We are also in dire need of a federal jobs program focused on geographic areas where unemployment and poverty are pervasive. Likewise, we need the federal government to support public education, rather than encouraging schools to privatize or become charters, which are often run by corporations and non-educators and displace trained teachers.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2015-03-01/racial-inequality-after-racism
>Jim Crow–era voting restrictions, such as poll taxes, literacy tests, and the grandfather clause, were adopted precisely because they appeared to be race neutral and therefore compliant with the 15th Amendment, which prohibits race-based voting discrimination. And even today, seemingly race-neutral policies often reinforce racial inequalities, although what is different now is that the officials behind them may harbor no racist intentions. To take one well-known example, cocaine drug laws that are based on the principle of colorblindness—distinguishing not between black and white defendants but between crimes involving crack cocaine and those related to powder cocaine—have resulted in grossly disproportionate punishments for black offenders.

http://www.thenation.com/article/reducing-racial-inequality-our-justice-system/
>In 2010, President Obama signed the Fair Sentencing Act into law and ensured that those arrested with crack—mostly young, African-American men—are no longer subject to a 100-to-1 sentencing disparity compared to those arrested with essentially the same drug in powder form, who are more likely to be Caucasian.

>The Fair Sentencing Act was a rare time in history when Congress reduced sentences, thereby enunciating a sharp turn in public policy, yet those sentenced prior to 2010 remain in prison, serving sentences that have now been repudiated by Congress. ... If, as Dr. King wrote, “justice too long delayed is justice denied,” then every day they continue to sit in prison serving sentences that policymakers—and the American people—believe no longer fit their crime is another day that justice is denied. I continue to call on President Obama to use his commutation power to correct these injustices today.

>And there is more he can do. According to a recent poll, 52 percent of Americans now support legalization of marijuana. And a recent ACLU report revealed that despite using marijuana at the same rate as Caucasians, African-Americans were arrested for marijuana at a rate four times higher than whites. With opposition to the failed policies of criminalization and prohibition growing every day, Congress should immediately act to catch up with the American people. In the interim, the president should not let anyone suffer one more day for the mistakes of outdated policy. He should be guided by the fierce urgency of now.

>Commutation of nonviolent offenders is a significant step the president can take immediately, but he has so far used this power—one of the few he has that cannot be obstructed by the Tea Party—far less than his predecessors.
>> No. 64299 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 12:22 am
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>>64250

I doubt that.

The Republican party hasn't had a president elected that wasn't a Nixon or a Bush for decades.
>> No. 64302 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 3:36 am
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He'd be the most American of presidents. A good choice. I can already imagine him shouting "blow it out of your ass," at all the people against him when he bombs poor countries or stops handing out food stamps.

Let the good times roll.
>> No. 64303 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 3:37 am
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>>64253
What's with Somalis and Scandinavians?
>> No. 64304 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 3:42 am
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>>64303
I don't really like Jerry Seinfeld's new race material, it's kind of weird.
>> No. 64305 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 4:49 am
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Guys iwm equally seseubjnb plwqw rakenpitt.
>> No. 64307 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 6:46 am
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>>64259

Bhutanese refugees are the descendants of people who caught alongside the British East India company forces against Croydon in the Gurkha wars. They have been treated badly in Bhutan which created a refugee crisis, some of them have managed to resettle in Croydon and some in other countries. Of the top of my head I can't remember why America agreed to take so many.

Picture of the best food in Croydon.
>> No. 64314 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 12:36 pm
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I fucking hate how you morons just dismiss people as racists, clowns or neocons. What a fucking waste of time, keep your trap shut if you've nothing to contribute. Grown ups only.
>> No. 64320 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 1:04 pm
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>>64314

There's nothing more childish than thinking you're so grown up.
>> No. 64321 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 1:07 pm
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>>64314
Whereas you're really exhibiting your maturity with that post.
>> No. 64322 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 1:18 pm
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>>64314
I'm sure you never dismiss people are loonie lefty tumblrite fems and the like.
>> No. 64323 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 1:39 pm
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>>64314
No comparison there, lad. BoJo is rather intelligent, but plays a buffoon for the crowds. He only really gets into trouble when he goes off-script while speaking. Trump, on the other hand, is an actual buffoon.
>> No. 64324 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 3:29 pm
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>>64314
Trump's not a "racist, clown or neocon", he's just a racist clown. And (overtly) racist clowns don't get to drive the clown car in 2016, I'm sorry that the reality of that upsets you.
>> No. 64325 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 4:08 pm
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>>64324
Why are you having a teary? Trump is like an average American. They should choose someone they can see eye to eye with.
>> No. 64326 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 4:20 pm
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As to Hillary's popularity, it's been in decline for some time now.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

>>64324
I'm afraid when you screech racist at anything and everything like some demented harpy you devalue the word, and these shame tactics only work if a candidate is weak and shamable, Trump isn't, the media could hammer the issue of him having divorced so many times for instance, but he doesn't pretend to be some paragon of virtue so it has no punch. Anything they throw at him will just fall off like water off a duck's back.
>> No. 64327 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 5:02 pm
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>>64325
I want aware the average American was a rich, racist clown.
>> No. 64328 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 5:10 pm
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>>64327
Not in financial terms, foreveroffendedlad. The average American, politically speaking, is like Trump. He is the quintessential American. They should definitely vote for him.
>> No. 64329 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 5:24 pm
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To understand the Trump appeal, you have to understand the American mindset.

First imagine the quintessential British stiff upper lip. That stoic responsibility that characterises our people. Now try to picture the American equivalent. The American Dream- That sickly, almost naive optimism that underlines all their media output and domestic history. If you try hard enough, you will get there too.

Trump embodies that. People like him are living gods in America, in a way that will probably compared to Egyptian Pharoahs when our civilization passes beyond memory.
>> No. 64332 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 7:10 pm
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I want Are Jacob to be PM.
>> No. 64333 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 7:49 pm
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>>64326
She's got a long way to fall before she's anywhere near as reviled as Trump.

>I'm afraid when you screech racist at anything and everything like some demented harpy you devalue the word, and these shame tactics only work if a candidate is weak and shamable, Trump isn't, the media could hammer the issue of him having divorced so many times for instance, but he doesn't pretend to be some paragon of virtue so it has no punch. Anything they throw at him will just fall off like water off a duck's back.
I'm not saying that Trump is a racist to shame him, mate. I agree with you: he is shameless (I don't know why you think that's a good thing). I'm saying it because of the stupendously stupid racist shit that comes out of his mouth, be it his comments on Mexicans or his absurd "birther" thing.

The media doesn't need to hammer anything at him to make him unelectable. He is already unelectable. Regardless of how much you might want him to be President, if you can't understand why he is never going to be President you have zero understanding of the American political process.
>> No. 64335 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 8:33 pm
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>>64333
Trump's popularity has doubled since his anti-Mexican speech, I know it's hard for trigger policing Guardian readers like yourself to believe but not every American is tripping over themselves to suck immigrant cock, in fact, many despise them, this isn't aimed at all Mexicans of course, but the ones the US gets are the bottom of the barrel ones.

>unelectable

You're just firing buzzwords mate, >racist >obnoxious >unelectable

It's honestly ridiculous that you think Trump is an impossibility while you assume Hillary, who has more scandals than her arm is long, is the anointed one. Hillary's past is going to catch up with her, and she refuses to give straight answers, another reason why the average guy, the fence sitter, doesn't like her.

After 8 years of vapid platitudes and against his manufactured rivals a brash, real talking guy like Trump is a breath of fresh air.
>> No. 64336 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 8:37 pm
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Bickering aside, Bernie vs Trump would make for good watching
>> No. 64337 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 8:45 pm
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>>64336
I just want an interesting election, to have Bush vs Clinton would be the most boring and depressing outcome possible.
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16th July 2015
Thursday 8:51 pm
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>ctrl-f "caucus"
>0 of 0
>ctrl-f "Florida"
>0 of 0

This thread isn't about politics at all.
>> No. 64339 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 8:52 pm
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>>64333
>muh process
Read Spengler and you'll see that we're approaching the final stage of civilisation: The Age of the Caesars. The men who run the country are there purely because of their cult of personality.

Someone like Trump will enter the white house.
>> No. 64341 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:17 pm
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>Trump's popularity has doubled since his anti-Mexican speech
And yet he is still far less popular than Hitlery Clinton who ALL AMERICANS DEFINITELY HATE.

>the average guy, the fence sitter
The "average guy" is not on the fence, you moron. Truly undecided independent voters are a small minority, and it's really just a polite term for very low info voters. Again, you do not win elections by convincing people you're right, you win by convincing people who already agree with you (or, and this is yet another reason why Trump would be a disaster for the Republicans, who already disagree with the other candidate) to get off their ass and vote. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the modern American political process.

Saying that, I don't think anything's going to get through to you. Anybody who thinks that a racist clown with no political experience or backing who is hard at work issuing sick burns to libertarian magicians on twitter while serious candidates mobilise actual campaigns is a potential, and desirable, future President is beyond reason.

This thread is going to be fucking hilarious to look back on a year from now.

>>64336
The primaries are already shaping up to be more of a circus than 2008 and 2012 put together, and that's saying something. If Trump gets to share a stage with Jeb and Rubio it will be more entertaining than anything I could've possibly hoped for.
>> No. 64342 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:19 pm
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>>64333

So you're basically one of those sorts who sees a black president, and thinks WELL FUCK YEAH THE NEXT ONE SHOULD HAVE A VAGINA! THE ONE AFTER THAT WILL PROBABLY BE GAY!!!

I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of the US political scene, but from what I have seen of Hilary as a politician, nobody in their right fucking mind would vote for her. I don't know if she's better or worse than Trump, but I see little good coming of either.

Then again, considering the state of the average American in terms of being educated and well-informed, you might be right, and we see her win with a landslide simply by every single woman in the country voting for her.
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16th July 2015
Thursday 9:27 pm
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>>64342
>So you're basically one of those sorts who sees a black president, and thinks WELL FUCK YEAH THE NEXT ONE SHOULD HAVE A VAGINA! THE ONE AFTER THAT WILL PROBABLY BE GAY!!!
No, dickhead, I'm not. I haven't made any statement on who should be President other than implying that Trump shouldn't. The joke of this whole thing is I don't even fucking like Hilary Clinton. That doesn't mean she doesn't have a very good chance of becoming President.
>> No. 64345 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:50 pm
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>>64341
Hillary's popularity has been declining for years, Trump is on the way up. These are the trends right now. You see where this is going.

There are still people who aren't dedicated to one party or who vote Dem one election and Repub the next, if this weren't so there would just be one party that kept on winning, which obviously isn't the case. There are people you can sway.

You're way too entrenched in your idea of what a politician "should" be, which seems to be a straight-laced moderate who has anything he says go through the committee grinder. As for Trump's shitposting on twitter you could well say the same about Obama, what was he doing shitposting on reddit (and shitposting in real life with memes and other childish nonsense) while we have multiple wars going on and a debt crisis? You honestly sound very out of touch, the internet is a major tool for ostensibly serious people now, it certainly helped the current president get elected.

>racist
>clown
>serious candidate

This again, Jesus Christ, you're a parrot. A non-combative, moderate establishment candidate like you think they ought to have, another Romney or McCain, simply isn't going to work, people have short attention spans while Mars and Earth align, people treat elections like reality TV, you need someone who can work with that, not some nice guy stiff who lets the media tread all over them.

Look, I'm not saying Trump is absolutely guaranteed to win, I think his biggest obstacle is the Republicans themselves, but I do think he will do brilliantly in the debates, he's in his element with that kind of shit.

Let me ask you this - do you think Jeb Bush (the only other likely candidate) would stand a better chance than Trump?
>> No. 64346 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:53 pm
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I hope Trump wins. And Boris.
>> No. 64347 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:56 pm
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>>64345

>As for Trump's shitposting on twitter you could well say the same about Obama, what was he doing shitposting on reddit (and shitposting in real life with memes and other childish nonsense) while we have multiple wars going on and a debt crisis?

Let's agree that Trump should stop shitposting on Twitter and start actually campaigning, and that Obama should stop having aids run his media profiling and join the army and during his lunch breaks single-handedly fix their debt crisis.
>> No. 64348 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 9:56 pm
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>>64342

You have to be joking. You accuse him of that outlandish nonsense in the first line, before reasoning Americans must be idiots, despite not "having your finger on the pulse of US politics", all because they probably won't elect a reality TV start who spends most of his time either alienating the exact voter republicans need to win, or having social media interactions the like of which most people stopped shortly after their 13th birthday. As I said, you have to be joking, you're so absurd I can't take what I read seriously.

Whatever, I made a /101/ post about British people who care for more for American politics than they do our own, and this thread is a shining example, and my participation is just as rueful as anyones.
>> No. 64349 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:22 pm
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Is it weird that I want Trump to win after reading the annoying lad's posts?
>> No. 64350 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:22 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been female presidential candidates before, have there not? What stopped them surfing their way to victory on a tidal wave of support from women? And why should it be different for Clinton?
>> No. 64351 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:23 pm
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>>64348
American elections are more fun.
>> No. 64352 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:24 pm
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>>64350
What makes you think all women would vote for a female candidate just because... Fanny?
>> No. 64353 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:27 pm
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Evidence suggests women are slightly more prone to vote for female candidates.

Doesn't make a lot of difference though.
>> No. 64354 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:29 pm
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>>64350

Not one for the Dems or GOP ticket. No other party has a chance of winning the election.
>> No. 64355 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:31 pm
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>>64352

Nothing in particular but it sounded for a bit like people were considering Hilary a shoe-in on that basis.
>> No. 64356 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:34 pm
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>>64355
That's mostly the feel good champagne socialists and Guardian readers. Don't pay them any mind.
>> No. 64357 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:34 pm
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>>64355

>shoe-in

It's shoo-in!
>> No. 64358 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:36 pm
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>>64345
>Hillary's popularity has been declining for years, Trump is on the way up. These are the trends right now. You see where this is going.
THIS LINE GOES UP, THIS LINE GOES DOWN, LET'S NOT THINK ABOUT THE CONTEXT FOR THAT OR CAUSATION OR ANYTHING, LET'S JUST CALL IT A TREND AND MOVE ON TRUMP 2016

Fuck me.

>There are still people who aren't dedicated to one party or who vote Dem one election and Repub the next, if this weren't so there would just be one party that kept on winning, which obviously isn't the case. There are people you can sway.
If it was the same people casting votes every election, that would be correct. But it isn't.

>A non-combative, moderate establishment candidate like you think they ought to have, another Romney or McCain, simply isn't going to work, people have short attention spans while Mars and Earth align, people treat elections like reality TV, you need someone who can work with that, not some nice guy stiff who lets the media tread all over them.
>You're way too entrenched in your idea of what a politician "should" be, which seems to be a straight-laced moderate who has anything he says go through the committee grinder
Nope. Cruz and Walker, for example, are not moderates, non-combative or establishment approved, and yet they have a far, far better chance at success than Trump.

>As for Trump's shitposting on twitter you could well say the same about Obama, what was he doing shitposting on reddit (and shitposting in real life with memes and other childish nonsense) while we have multiple wars going on and a debt crisis? You honestly sound very out of touch, the internet is a major tool for ostensibly serious people now, it certainly helped the current president get elected.
Trump isn't ridiculous because he's on twitter, he's ridiculous because he's on twitter being a petty, narcissistic braggart. He has this problem when he's speaking in person too: half of his rally in Phoenix was just him making lame burns on all the people and companies who had distanced themselves from him for damage control. Although, at least when he's making vacuous boasts he's not talking about his actual policies, which are even more poorly conceived. I think the 35% import tariff is my favourite so far.

Trump would give the Democrats a landslide that hasn't been seen since 72. Any other candidate would stand a better chance than him.

Tell you what, build me a map that you think is a viable route to Trump winning the electoral vote:

http://www.270towin.com/

While you're filling it in, keep the attached image in mind. Good luck!

>>64355
There have been other primary contenders over the years, but she will be the first candidate in the general should she win, which is almost an inevitability. She's not a shoo-in because women will all vote for her, but the fact that she's a woman certainly won't hurt democratic turnout. Like it or not, the idea of being a part of the "historical movement" that elects the first black guy, woman etc. is a greater motivator among the democratic base than being someone who helped elect old white dude #43.
>> No. 64359 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 10:36 pm
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>>64354
There have been candidates for VP. Mondale had a bint on his ticket, and it's said that McCain's bid was sunk by the prospect of Palin being a heart attack away from the top job.
>> No. 64360 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 11:17 pm
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>>64358
Wow, you really are convinced Hillary is going to win, I'm not sure if you know why opinion of her has grown so dim but I don't have the patience to discuss Benghazi and the email scandal, things you should be well aware of if you haven't been living under a rock. These are big issues, and will haunt her.

Cruz and Walker don't have the looks, fame or charisma to be president, they're Santorum and Huntsman tier.

>Trump is a meanie, I hate him

Ok, I get that, but a lot of people agree with him, it's his frank attitude and swagger that has got him this early attention, it's a good thing, not bad.

Jeb Bush is the only other real competition, his being a Bush has some currency with a slice of voters, but it's poison to many more. He's not charismatic, has a shitty weak name, "Jeb" (yes, this matters), and is pandering more to Mexicans than any Democrat, he's a RINO basically.

Yeah I see your pic, hispanics are growing, it's incredibly stupid of the Republicans to have not done more about hispanics. Most do vote Democrat and it doesn't much matter who the Republicans pitch in that regard.

You can't rely on women to vote for Hillary, no-one hates women more than women themselves, and many think she's a bitch (not even to do with the scandals, it's just herself), this isn't like blacks who actually do vote as a monolithic bloc.
>> No. 64363 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 11:39 pm
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>>64360
>Yeah I see your pic, hispanics are growing, it's incredibly stupid of the Republicans to have not done more about hispanics. Most do vote Democrat and it doesn't much matter who the Republicans pitch in that regard.
It does matter who the Republicans pitch you thick cunt. For the last fucking time, it's not that there's a chance that the Republicans could win the hispanic vote, it's that if they nominate someone who is perceived by hispanics to be racist against them, hispanics will be highly motivated to turn up to vote for the other candidate. Demographics in swing states (which were won by the Democrats in 2012, you may have noticed) are a growing problem for Republicans. Trump would make this a much worse problem by increasing the turnout of demographics already unfavourable towards the Republican party.

¿Comprende?

>You can't rely on women to vote for Hillary, no-one hates women more than women themselves
>has a shitty weak name, "Jeb" (yes, this matters)
You're talking absolute shit and nothing you say means anything.

Why don't you make an actual concrete assertion and build me a map showing which states you believe Trump can succeed in that Romney couldn't?

http://www.270towin.com/
>> No. 64364 Anonymous
16th July 2015
Thursday 11:59 pm
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>>64363
Why are you so confrontational?
>> No. 64365 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 12:00 am
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>>64363
Trump may well motivate some hispanics (though quite a few want the door shut after them), but in turn will motivate a great deal of whites to vote, there are a lot of people who you would without doubt call racist that don't like the idea of America becoming Mexico 2.0, but there hasn't been a real candidate who's taken the bull by the horns like Trump has, everyone other Republican is too chickenshit to even bring it up in a serious way.

It's worth noting that not all non-whites are allied against whites, and Trump could even gain a few black votes (they love celebrities, and dislike hispanics more than whites as they often share the same areas).

The woman thing, I can see you're assuming rather too much, women will not just vote a woman for President like blacks did with Obama, sure some will, but it's not a big deal to women outside leftist circles who would vote Democrat no matter which candidate was put up.

I'm not going to play the autistic webgame, these stupid analysis things never work out even when they get guys who do it for their career like Nate Silver.
>> No. 64366 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 12:08 am
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>>64365
>I'm not going to play the autistic webgame, these stupid analysis things never work
So you're not going to make predictions about who can win based on routes to victory in the electoral college through demographic appeal in swing states, you are instead going to posit that Trump can win because "blacks love celebrities". Ok. I think this has run its course.

>even when they get guys who do it for their career like Nate Silver.
Yeah, the analysis of the guy who correctly predicted the results of every single state in 2012 really didn't work out.
>> No. 64367 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 12:31 am
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>>64366
You can't predictably reduce elections to a formula like you so clearly want, at least not at this stage, there's a lot of things that can happen in the 16 months between now and the election and I don't pretend to know what they will be, again, I never said Trump was sure to win, but I do think he has a very good chance.

>blacks like celebrities

They do, black culture worships athletes, rappers and guys with money, I know this is triggering you or something but it's true, and not just with the youth either. The other half about them disliking hispanics is also true.

Nate kept conveniently adjusting shit towards the end, I know there was a lot of shit he got called out on back in 2012, I can tell you're too emotionally involved to have a normal debate about this, I think you said you were against Hillary but I'm finding that hard to believe now.

As for me, I just want to watch the fireworks, a Trump presidency would be an amazing thing to witness, I don't think even a Schwarzenegger presidency would be as entertaining.
>> No. 64368 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 12:46 am
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>>64367
I'm not asking you to reduce anything to a formula, I'm asking you which states you think Trump can win that Romney couldn't. It's a very straightforward question. If you can't answer that, I'm not sure on what basis you think you can say he has a "very good chance".

If only Nate Silver had based his predictions on such concrete data as "blacks love celebrities" and "women hate themselves", he would surely have predicted 75 out of 50 states correctly.
>> No. 64369 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 1:06 am
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All this talk about Trump is shifting the focus away from America's real saviour: Rand Paul. I take it his chances for getting the republican nomination are slim to none?
>> No. 64370 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 1:19 am
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>>64369
They're slim, but they're not Trump slim. He's been very popular as a senator in Kentucky, and has an endorsement from Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell under his belt, which isn't too shabby considering how diametrically opposed he is to the Republican establishment in a lot of cases.

He'll be interesting to watch as the campaign unfolds, but barring a few implosions of more viable candidates, he's definitely a long shot.
>> No. 64371 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 2:59 am
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>>64368
Your posts are utter trash mate.
>> No. 64372 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 3:32 am
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>>64371
I will make a bold prediction here and now that my trash posts will have as many pledged delegates as Donald Trump.
>> No. 64373 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 6:18 am
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>>64343

>No, dickhead, I'm not.

Haha, yes you are.
>> No. 64374 Anonymous
17th July 2015
Friday 10:59 am
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Btw looking at some of Nate Silver's more recent predictions is pretty entertaining.

>Today, Silver’s website is arguing not merely that the Brazilian soccer team is most likely to win the World Cup, but that it has a remarkable 38% chance of doing so

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brettarends/2014/06/24/is-nate-silver-wrong-about-the-world-cup/

He was way off with our own election too.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/nate-silver-polls-are-failing-us-206799.html
>> No. 64418 Anonymous
19th July 2015
Sunday 11:07 am
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I'm not following US politics closely, but I can see echoes in this video of the upthread accusations against Trump of stupidity. He's treating the public as he would people in his boardroom, and that can surely never work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/
>> No. 64427 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 1:56 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91vEm9kAsY

He actually seems fairly reasonable outside the twitter feed and the sound bites.
>> No. 64428 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 7:46 am
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>>64418
He's plain speaking and appeals to the broad Republican demographic. I don't see why he wouldn't win the nomination.

Whether he beats Hillary is a different question. I can't see Dems going out in droves to vote for her though.
>> No. 64429 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 9:22 am
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>>64428
Oh, Donald.
>> No. 64430 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 10:37 am
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>>64428
Right. In the boardroom he'd usually be the boss and it makes sense for him to state his views strongly and only allow challenges from people with complete confidence in themselves. He's a strong leader. On certain political issues he'll gain many votes with his plain speaking. First among them would be immigration, what with many people feeling like honest debate has been stifled by political correctness. When he starts "plain speaking" about who is and isn't a war hero, he can only lose votes; America isn't renowned for its reluctance to worship military representations of heroism. My point is, his approach only makes sense when he stands not just to lose, but to gain votes too. There's a reason politicians are renowned for their duplicitous and evasive speech: it's a political necessity in a modern democracy.
>> No. 64432 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 1:41 pm
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>>64428
It appeals to me too. Fuck the Greens. We need a British Donald.
>> No. 64433 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 1:42 pm
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>>64432
Alan Sugar?
>> No. 64434 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 2:25 pm
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>>64428
He can't and won't win the nomination.
>> No. 64435 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 2:30 pm
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>>64434
He will m8.
>> No. 64438 Anonymous
20th July 2015
Monday 5:28 pm
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>>64435
A little over half the base likes him. Less than a quarter of other voters like him. He will do poorly in primaries, though may do better in caucuses. Unfortunately only around 20% of the delegates are available through caucuses, whereas 25% are through FPTP primaries where he's unlikely to top the poll. Especially if Chris Christie gets any traction - he has the straight talk but without the crazy, and is a red governor in a blue-ish state who plays well with voters outside the base.
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