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|>>|| No. 90436
Rishi Sunak is going to be Prime Minister next year and it's going to be fucking awesome.
|>>|| No. 90439
Surprised at Penny Mordaunt numbers, she seems okay - I don't think it can be any of the others as they're too tainted by Brexit, etc.
It is starting to feel like the mid-Nineties again - I read an excellent article today which talked about Labour are successfully (and reasonably) pushing the "incompetence" line, as that allows people to change their vote (competence or incompetence being something that you discover after the fact, whereas policy/plans are before). It's a neat idea, and tallies up with what we've seen this year.
All we need now is some genuine sleaze or criminality and the government will fall - I wonder if/when we'll find out who the "rapist" is. Also, who on earth would want to be in charge of the UK during 2021? It's a poisoned chalice.
|>>|| No. 90440
I think with Mordaunt it's mainly an issue that she's quite unknown; just about everyone ahead of her has their name in the news more often.
I'd imagine any new PM would come in and announce that they've got a clean slate, setting up distance between them and the failings of the current government. If Brexit is out of the way, either 'oven ready' or no deal, then I don't think it'd be a bad time to be PM; just roll your sleeves up and give the impression that you'll do the best you can with the hand you've been dealt.
|>>|| No. 90442
Aren't father-in-laws notorious for chatting shit? If you wanted to shit-stir you would be better off speculating on whether conference season is going ahead.
It's weird to think of how everything has fallen into his lap. Almost as weird as any election debate will look on immigration.
|>>|| No. 90443
I can't even remember why Javid was ousted.
It's a pretty damming indictment of the Tory party that the only reason Sunak is the clear front-runner is because he's one of the few semi-competent cabinet members rather than just a sycophantic crony.
|>>|| No. 90444
Javid resigned, I recall, because he objected to the Johnson/Cummings plan for the Treasury to lose its independence from the Prime Minister's Office.
Which rather raises the question how Sunak is getting all the credit despite apparently being a puppet.
|>>|| No. 90445
>Which rather raises the question how Sunak is getting all the credit despite apparently being a puppet.
|>>|| No. 90446
Because a Tory chancellor spunking loads of money up the wall is revolutionary outside the box thinking. Whatever will he think of next, that cheeky young upstart? Universal basic income?
If you listen to the way the papers are talking about Sunak you'd think he was the Han fucking Solo of fiscal policy, for having the utter brass balls to do what someone like Gordon Brown might have done. Except with more corruption and cronyism.
|>>|| No. 90452
So presumably neither of you believe Javid's reasons for resigning were credible, if all of the things Sunak is doing that are making him the most popular Tory are entirely of his own volition?
|>>|| No. 90453
While both are obviously clever and capable people, I think Sunak comes across as a bit more down-to-earth; I'm quite sure it's all a clever political trick, Sunak went to much posher school/university than Javid, but he somehow seems a bit friendlier is how I describe it. That poshness means he probably gets on a bit better with Boris.
|>>|| No. 90455
I'm not saying he's ugly, just that his facial features are all weirdly exaggerated in a way you'd expect of a caricature.
|>>|| No. 90456
Just say he's got a great big laplander nose and have done with it. You know you want to.
|>>|| No. 91413
I suppose it's for the same reasons anyone listens to what Dominic Cummings has to say.
|>>|| No. 91422
Rishi Sunak is a tiny little man, like 5'5'' or something. I've seen him drive a cosy coupe down Whitehall I swear.
|>>|| No. 91426
The media have been reporting this wrongly due to a typo.
There wasn't a revolt by Carrie Symonds, Lee Cain was revolted by Carrie Symonds.
|>>|| No. 91428
Please not Mordaunt, I don't think I'd make it through four years of otherlad horny posting.
|>>|| No. 91430
He has a hint of Ed Miliband about him, which might be his undoing. Rishi is obviously massively popular given that we only ever see him when he's shaking the magic money tree, but his nerdiness might undermine his appeal over the course of a leadership campaign.
Timing is crucial - Rishi is a shoo-in if there's a rushed contest early next year, but he'll be a heck of a lot less popular in a couple of years when the bill for furlough comes due.
|>>|| No. 91433
So this was Labour's plan all along. They have simply developed a more convincing skin for their T-1000 and they've deployed it at the heart of the Conservative party.
|>>|| No. 91436
I've never noticed before how similar he is to Miliband. Yet one was a North London geeknerd and the other is the dishy PM-in-waiting.
I hate everything.
|>>|| No. 91452
I google for a saville terminator image, on the offchance that such a thing existed and found this.
|>>|| No. 91453
I find this kind of propaganda facinating, it pretends like it is satire poking fun of a politician and actually isn't.
I find it insidious.
Thick people probably share and it boosts their profile.
Got to play to the proles in the cheep seats who mistake it for punching up.
|>>|| No. 91454
> it pretends like it is satire poking fun of a politician and actually isn't.
U wot m8. It seems to be fully supportive of him.
|>>|| No. 91456
Not really. Arnie is the good guy and has come to kick some arse. So put Saville's face on makes him the good guy too. Although maybe the T2 audience doesn't know that Arnie is the good guy on first viewing, but everyone knows it now so that's probably moot.
|>>|| No. 91459
There does something off about his "I said I'd be leaving at the end of the year all along" message, like a pre-emptive excuse if it all goes tits up.
|>>|| No. 91462
>Laura Kuenssberg said his departure had been brought forward given the "upset in the team" in Downing Street, for which she said it had been a "difficult week".
If this was Corbyn's chief advisor quitting, I've no doubt the rhetoric would be about the team being "at each others throats", "sheer chaos", the team "disintegrating around the PM's ears", etc.
Sage for give it a rest already.
|>>|| No. 91463
Another casualty of the end of furlough right before Christmas. This would've never been allowed to happen under Corbyn.
I wonder what will change with Cummings out of the picture. I'd say the backbenches have pulled off a coup but Vote Leave are the backbenchers.
|>>|| No. 91469
They seemed to do fuck all when he was there apart from u-turn or leak ideas to the press to gauge the public response to them, so I imagine Boris will continue to do fuck all whilst he's gone.
|>>|| No. 91470
I reckon that was Cummings trying to buy himself time.
Honestly I'm not sure what's caused his departure. I know there's been loads of cock-ups, but the spotlight wasn't especially on him at the moment, so I'm assuming it's almost entirely court intrigue.
I don't deny it, I just don't want to hear about her tits the morning after she's sent specially equiped water cannon drone tanks to crush protesters in Isolation Camp 493 (formally Wigan).
|>>|| No. 91471
My understand is that Cummings was at least seen as someone keen on investing in the North. Maybe the dust-up was a revolt of the Conservative parties more libertarian leanings who're howling over the deficit.
|>>|| No. 91472
Apparently the power struggle against him was led by Carrie Symonds and Javid is in line to be Boris' #2.
|>>|| No. 91473
>Apparently the power struggle against him was led by Carrie Symonds
This seems out of the blue to me and as a result I'm skeptical. probably too skeptical.
|>>|| No. 91481
Cripes lads. Is there really not going to be another General Election until late 2024?
It seems almost certain that Boris will quit after the Public start to really feel the detrimental effects of Brexit, and given the precedent set by the current Cabinet and culture of the Conservative Party I cant see his replacement being any more competent or magnanimous.
The Conservative Party holds 56% of seats in the House of Commons, so bar unprecedented swathes of MPs in the House leave the Party we're stuck with the current lot at the time of arguably the greatest Crisis the UK has faced since WWII.
Has there been any comparable situation to this in the UK Historically that I can read up on to get a better handle on what's about to occur in the coming years?
|>>|| No. 91483
>Mr Cummings’ decision to walk out of Number 10 after what one official called “a day of tantrums” raised concerns that the adviser might turn against Mr Johnson and lift the lid on a chaotic administration. One government insider said: “I won’t be surprised if there’s an explosive stunt between now and Christmas.” A colleague of Mr Cummings said: “It’s not Dom’s style just to quietly drift away.”
>Mr Johnson held a 45-minute meeting with Mr Cummings and Mr Cain on Friday to discuss their “general behaviour” this week, according to individuals with knowledge of the conversation. In tense exchanges, Mr Johnson accused his aides of briefing against him and his partner Carrie Symonds and criticised them for destabilising the government in the midst of tense Brexit negotiations. Mr Johnson showed the aides text messages that had been forwarded to Ms Symonds, who opposed Mr Cain’s appointment as chief of staff, to show they had briefed against her. He told them to get out and never return.
|>>|| No. 91484
I wonder where he will go next.
>arguably the greatest Crisis the UK has faced since WWII
Come off it. Nobody will die because of Brexit and we don't even have the paralysis of the May parliament.
Why is Boris, as the 4kids say, such a simp? He seem quite incapable of separating his work and private life.
|>>|| No. 91485
>Nobody will die because of Brexit
The government's own planning documents say otherwise, and that was before COVID.
|>>|| No. 91486
What would you, then, say is the greatest crisis the UK has faced since the Second World War (titled correctly because I'm not a septic)?
|>>|| No. 91487
>Why is Boris, as the 4kids say, such a simp? He seem quite incapable of separating his work and private life.
I think what gets often overlooked is that Symonds isn't a stranger to politics. She's been involved in the Tory party for over 10 years, working as a press officer and a special adviser.
That and she's probably got a bit of leverage over him from his alleged affair with a violinist.
|>>|| No. 91489
And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws.
Politically it's Suez and if we're talking domestically then a tie between 1974 and 1976. Obviously the greatest crisis generally was Cuba but we had little say in the affair.
|>>|| No. 91490
>And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws
I look forward to your next paper, professor.
|>>|| No. 91491
I love these spads who get lucky in a big way and decide they've cracked it, they know how to do politics and no one can stop them, until they go and do something as stupid as briefing against their own sodding boss and his wife. The arrogance is truly a sight to behold. He may have played a sizable role in the Brexit referendum, but right-wing print media and government ineptitude were more of a factor. He may have helped the Tories win big in 2019, but Labour's campaign was about as agile and dynamic as Han Solo frozen in carbonite. I don't even particularly care that he's gone, but I do think it's funny, really rather funny.
>I wonder where he will go next.
The Spectator, he seems like exactly the kind of arsehole they love. He could have a bit too much self-respect to become an opinion monkey right away, so he might end up at a think tank for a while, wiling away his time pretending to think.
|>>|| No. 91493
>And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws.
The NHS is absolutely on the ragged edge in much of the country, particularly the North West. We've got huge staff shortages and constant issues with distribution of essential supplies. The big hope for ending the pandemic is the new vaccine; that vaccine is extremely temperature-sensitive and must be stored at colder temperatures than any existing drug or vaccine, so nobody is entirely sure how to manage the logistics. Our supply will come from Pfizer's advanced biologics facility in Belgium.
I don't see how the biggest disruption to our border logistics since the Second World War could possibly exacerbate that situation with fatal consequences. /s
|>>|| No. 91494
It'll be gammon that voted for Brexit that are more likely to do so it's alright.
|>>|| No. 91495
> that vaccine is extremely temperature-sensitive and must be stored at colder temperatures than any existing drug or vaccine, so nobody is entirely sure how to manage the logistics.
I've read that, and it's apparently going to be a major limiting factor in delivering the vaccine especially to poor third-world countries in warmer climates.
Probably good news though for companies that make industrial freezing appliances.
|>>|| No. 91496
>We've got huge staff shortages and constant issues with distribution of essential supplies
This is news?
>I don't see how the biggest disruption to our border logistics since the Second World War could possibly exacerbate that situation with fatal consequences. /s
And the fix to importing essential drugs in such an emergency would involve a hand-wave. You can even prop up the airline industry right now by booking flights to deliver the stuff. It'll be expensive if the border turns into a traffic jam but people won't die.
|>>|| No. 91497
The government have no interest in paying airlines to do medical imports - we have tried to tender that contract already. Hopefully that will change when they get more desperate, but then again, an RAF Globemaster has a fair bit more cargo space than I can allocate a 738.
|>>|| No. 91498
>This is news?
Well, you seemed unaware.
>And the fix to importing essential drugs in such an emergency would involve a hand-wave.
Oh, wow, you're actually a cabinet minister.
|>>|| No. 91508
>Meanwhile ultra-cold boxes are actually being put out following a mass logistics operation that began even before we got the news on the vaccine. This includes the mass organisation of cargo-plane flights.
I have absolute confidence in a government that gave a cargo ferry contract to a company with no ferries, no experience in operating ferries, no ability to procure ferries and a website that was plagiarised from a takeaway.
|>>|| No. 91509
The logistics will be a shitshow. Where I work, when we take delivery of control organisms and reagents requiring dry ice transport, it comes in this huge fuckoff insulated box, just for a tiny package no bigger than a packet of Haribo.
Transporting millions of vaccines this way is not just unfeasible, I'm not certain it's possible at all. The vaccine will have to be targeted very carefully at vulnerable groups until the supplies trickle through or another more robust one is certified.
|>>|| No. 91510
Boris isn't going anywhere, people are still in 2010-2019 unstable government mode of thinking and it's not adequete. He might get booted out 2022 or 2023 if Tory polling doesn't hold up (think Thatcher 1990) but other than that he's dandy. Sorry.
|>>|| No. 91512
>The logistics will be a shitshow
They really will - normal doctors surgeries or pharmacies are not going to be able to handle it well. We're going to need dedicated mobile units that do it - serious refrigerated trucks.
|>>|| No. 91514
>when we take delivery of control organisms and reagents requiring dry ice transport, it comes in this huge fuckoff insulated box, just for a tiny package no bigger than a packet of Haribo
Is that because putting multiple in one box would provide insufficient cooling, or because you can't cross contaminate? If the latter, can we not ship multiple vaccines in one of these big dry ice boxes? I accept it still might not be a huge number, but five or ten per box is still a lot more than one.
Obviously, "big fuck off box" doesn't give me much to work with in terms of estimates, but you underestimate just how much stuff you can fit in a heavy airlift cargo jet. It is expensive, but otherwise trivial to use Very Big Planes to fly these sorts of things over to us (after the politicians handwave the importing, obviously).
It'll still be a fucking nightmare, but the bottleneck would, in theory, be on the lorries on our home soil loading and driving the boxes to where they need to go.
And then the real problems start when you try and store these things for any length of time - how the fuck is that going to work? How many -70C warehouses are there in Britain?
|>>|| No. 91515
>Obviously, "big fuck off box" doesn't give me much to work with in terms of estimates, but you underestimate just how much stuff you can fit in a heavy airlift cargo jet. It is expensive, but otherwise trivial to use Very Big Planes to fly these sorts of things over to us (after the politicians handwave the importing, obviously).
There are hard limits on how much dry ice you can put on a plane before there's a risk of the flight crew suffocating. There are some theoretical workarounds, but they're all massively dicey because nobody has ever tried doing anything that daft. Realistically, the vaccine is either coming across by sea in reefers or in dribs and drabs on regular air freight.
Retailers, shipping and haulage companies have complained of "chaos" at Felixstowe Port in Suffolk, affecting goods in the run-up to Christmas.
One ship due to be unloaded at the port last week was redirected to Rotterdam because of "unacceptable" delays.
|>>|| No. 91518
Or the other option to importing the vaccine into this country would be someone based in this country to pay a fuckton of money for a license to produce the vaccine locally (although even if that was done it would probably take months to ramp up production)
|>>|| No. 91519
Jesus. It's not like the words 'Ireland' and 'starve' are politically charged, is it?
|>>|| No. 91520
This seems shortsighted at best, completely fucking stupid at worst - they clearly haven't done much research into the tens of millions Ireland have been pumping into Rosslare and Dublin ports and their airports - They are more than ready to bypass UK trade entirely if need be. I don't really understand how the report has missed this, we have absolutely nothing other than politics to threaten Ireland with.
|>>|| No. 91536
Pfizer have already made crates the size of a suitcase that work for up-to 10 days and contain 1-5k of vaccines a piece. The big problem will be making sure baggage handlers don't break everything with their ape-like fists.
I probably should've put my money into logistics when I had the chance - the 'just in time' model of supply is going to Moon over the coming months.
>How many -70C warehouses are there in Britain?
It's not just warehouses but university labs and even sperm banks. Then there's a powdered form in development for next year and all the other potential vaccines.
It should've been something emphasised from the start - Dublin needs to work with the UK on this. It's not just about the border but wider supply chains with GB that will fuck them harder owing to sheer scale. Although I'm not sure what kind of pull that has on the French fishing lobby.
They're pumping money precisely because they realise how fucked they are if it all goes wrong. It creates an argument of time not that Dublin is out of the woods, especially when Ireland lacks the land infrastructure on top of entry-point woes.
You might also want to consider that port expansion takes a long time. Just look at the UK's own saga on airport expansion.
|>>|| No. 91546
I dunno - if he gets it twice, the entire narrative around immunity (and therefore vaccines) completely changes - plus the obvious risk to his health.
|>>|| No. 91547
It wouldn't suprise me if that useless lunatic Anderson decided to act as some sort of COVID suicide bomber. I tell you, these neophyte Tory MPs are Republican Party level nutty; we're already living in their fun house, we just haven't realised the front door's locked yet.
|>>|| No. 91549
How ineffective of a politician do you have to be to find yourself facing a palace coup from Sunak? What next, is Mr Bean going to taking Carrie off him?
|>>|| No. 91551
>What next, is Mr Bean going to taking Carrie off him?
Rowan Atkinson has form for stealing much younger women so I wouldn't call it quite so absurd. I feel for James Acaster, imagine the nightmare of your girlfriend ringing up to say that she's dumped you for Mr Bean or the inevitable lead up of him elbowing his way in.
It's no wonder he stopped being funny.
|>>|| No. 91575
This might be the most awkward interview I've seen on the news in recent years m'lord
|>>|| No. 91578
If you think that is awkward you haven't seen enough Kay Burley interviews. She is such an insufferable cunt her wikipedia categories her controversies not by incidents but by year.
This one sticks out of note her telling a phone hacked MP he should have just changed his pin, the full interview is more spectacular but sky news has taken it down because copyright claims are a great way to cover up for a punchable fuckwit.
|>>|| No. 91579
> sky news has taken
Going violently off-topic - I'd've used have there. Are you some kind of foreigner?
|>>|| No. 91581
Sky News the faceless corporate entity, or Sky News the more informal group of people?
|>>|| No. 91621
>Boris Johnson has said privately that he will not promote Mr Holden because he fears his fiancee Miss Symonds would disapprove
Also some wanker's ladder climbing ambitions aren't worth the baggage he'd bring? The Mail's so deathly afraid of even the mildest suggestion that this government will be anything other than a pack of savage wreckers, that they'll stick up for someone nobody five feet beyond the steps of Parliament has ever heard of.
|>>|| No. 91623
Don't worry about Brexit lads, we'll be sipping Port on Mars in no time.
|>>|| No. 91624
Trump's doing so well in the US, obviously Johnson needs to keep following in his footsteps.
|>>|| No. 91625
- Lee Cain. Beat Symonds to be Boris Johnson's SpAD in 2016 while he was Foreign Secretary, which she held a grudge about. Ousted.
- Dominic Cummings. Responsible for Javid stepping down as Chancellor, whom Symonds is close with as she used to be his adviser. Ousted.
- Richard Holden. Symonds testified that he's a sex pest. Blocked from promotion.
It's not too farfetched to suggest there's a pattern here.
|>>|| No. 91627
Please don't misinterpret me as defending these Tory cretins, but I find fault with your reasoning. Cain pipped Symonds for a job in 2016, okay. However, you have no idea if she held a grudge about it and apparently she's friendly enough with Johnson to bear his child now, even though he presumably chose Cain over her. Sunak has been the only Conservative to look half-decent during 2020 and is already being talked about as the next leader despite being in cabinet for less than a year, which would seem to make appointing him a misstep if you don't want backbenchers trying to carry him into Number 10 like a bunch of more self-interested, latter-day, Praetorians. And what I said about not having an alledged sex pest in the upper echelons of the party still stands with regards to Holden. If I was in any position of power in a political party and a man with the words "alledged sex pest" on his CV wanted a job I wouldn't even look him in the eye before ordering him covered in pitch and lit on fire. It just isn't worth the hassle, even if the allegation comes from a psychic with a fraud conviction claiming Holden tried it on with Bugs Bunny in drag while holidaying on Atlantis.
I've no doubt there's plenty of intriguing and game-playing in and around Number 10, but The Mail are clearly trying to lay the ground work to ultimately paint Symonds as the power behind the throne, which is a archetype going back to the days of Livia Drusilla. It's a cheeky little warning shot, in the same manner they had a pop at Marcus Rashford for owning loads of houses. The Mail's saying "we're watching you", like a mobster telling you where your kids go to school. Frankly, I think the way everyone's behaving as though Johnson is just some kind of idiotic sponge without the ability to generate his own thoughts letting him of frather easily. Though I will admit it's possible COVID turned his brain to soup or that all he ever wanted was to sit in the big chair, never really thinking what he'd do once he got there. Let alone what he'd do if he got there and everything went to absolute shit just as soon as the seat was warm.
My takeaway got delivered in the middle of writing this so that's my excuse if it's totally incoherent.
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