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>> No. 90436 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 2:30 pm
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Rishi Sunak is going to be Prime Minister next year and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 90437 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 2:36 pm
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>>90436
I think you're right. Can't see it being anyone else.
>> No. 90438 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 2:48 pm
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>>90437
Polling earlier this year suggests it wouldn't even be close.
>> No. 90439 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 3:05 pm
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>>90438
Surprised at Penny Mordaunt numbers, she seems okay - I don't think it can be any of the others as they're too tainted by Brexit, etc.

It is starting to feel like the mid-Nineties again - I read an excellent article today which talked about Labour are successfully (and reasonably) pushing the "incompetence" line, as that allows people to change their vote (competence or incompetence being something that you discover after the fact, whereas policy/plans are before). It's a neat idea, and tallies up with what we've seen this year.

All we need now is some genuine sleaze or criminality and the government will fall - I wonder if/when we'll find out who the "rapist" is. Also, who on earth would want to be in charge of the UK during 2021? It's a poisoned chalice.
>> No. 90440 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 3:34 pm
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>>90439
I think with Mordaunt it's mainly an issue that she's quite unknown; just about everyone ahead of her has their name in the news more often.

I'd imagine any new PM would come in and announce that they've got a clean slate, setting up distance between them and the failings of the current government. If Brexit is out of the way, either 'oven ready' or no deal, then I don't think it'd be a bad time to be PM; just roll your sleeves up and give the impression that you'll do the best you can with the hand you've been dealt.
>> No. 90442 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 6:14 pm
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Aren't father-in-laws notorious for chatting shit? If you wanted to shit-stir you would be better off speculating on whether conference season is going ahead.

>>90438
It's weird to think of how everything has fallen into his lap. Almost as weird as any election debate will look on immigration.
>> No. 90443 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:04 pm
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>>90442
I can't even remember why Javid was ousted.

It's a pretty damming indictment of the Tory party that the only reason Sunak is the clear front-runner is because he's one of the few semi-competent cabinet members rather than just a sycophantic crony.
>> No. 90444 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:25 pm
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>>90443
Javid resigned, I recall, because he objected to the Johnson/Cummings plan for the Treasury to lose its independence from the Prime Minister's Office.

Which rather raises the question how Sunak is getting all the credit despite apparently being a puppet.
>> No. 90445 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:39 pm
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>>90444
>Which rather raises the question how Sunak is getting all the credit despite apparently being a puppet.

How indeed.
>> No. 90446 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:44 pm
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>>90444

Because a Tory chancellor spunking loads of money up the wall is revolutionary outside the box thinking. Whatever will he think of next, that cheeky young upstart? Universal basic income?

If you listen to the way the papers are talking about Sunak you'd think he was the Han fucking Solo of fiscal policy, for having the utter brass balls to do what someone like Gordon Brown might have done. Except with more corruption and cronyism.
>> No. 90447 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:49 pm
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He's also kind of fit, hence the nickname 'Dishy Rishi'.
>> No. 90448 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 7:54 pm
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>>90447
Man looks like a Spitting Image version of himself.
>> No. 90449 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 8:16 pm
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>>90448
The bar isn't exactly high for attractiveness when it comes to male politicians.
>> No. 90452 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 10:49 pm
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>>90445
>>90446
So presumably neither of you believe Javid's reasons for resigning were credible, if all of the things Sunak is doing that are making him the most popular Tory are entirely of his own volition?
>> No. 90453 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 11:36 pm
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>>90452
While both are obviously clever and capable people, I think Sunak comes across as a bit more down-to-earth; I'm quite sure it's all a clever political trick, Sunak went to much posher school/university than Javid, but he somehow seems a bit friendlier is how I describe it. That poshness means he probably gets on a bit better with Boris.
>> No. 90455 Anonymous
26th August 2020
Wednesday 12:19 am
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>>90449
I'm not saying he's ugly, just that his facial features are all weirdly exaggerated in a way you'd expect of a caricature.
>> No. 90456 Anonymous
26th August 2020
Wednesday 7:44 am
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>>90455
Just say he's got a great big laplander nose and have done with it. You know you want to.
>> No. 90457 Anonymous
26th August 2020
Wednesday 10:02 am
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>>90456
His nose is about the last thing I was thinking of.
>> No. 91412 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 7:52 am
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Boris Johnson's adviser Lee Cain quits Downing Street role after revolt by Carrie Symonds

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/11/lee-cain-resigns-boris-johnsons-director-communications/

Can someone please explain to me how and why Boris Johnson's fiancée is in a position to block his Director of Communications from becoming his Chief of Staff?
>> No. 91413 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 8:43 am
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>>91412
I suppose it's for the same reasons anyone listens to what Dominic Cummings has to say.
>> No. 91414 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 8:51 am
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>>91412
Isn't it obvious? BogJob is a male bimbo and a weak leader.
>> No. 91422 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 7:24 pm
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>>90447
Rishi Sunak is a tiny little man, like 5'5'' or something. I've seen him drive a cosy coupe down Whitehall I swear.
>> No. 91426 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 9:21 pm
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>>91412
The media have been reporting this wrongly due to a typo.
There wasn't a revolt by Carrie Symonds, Lee Cain was revolted by Carrie Symonds.
>> No. 91427 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 9:55 pm
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>>91422
Boris is also smaller than you expect, in the flesh. 5'8" max.
>> No. 91428 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 10:09 pm
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>>90440
Please not Mordaunt, I don't think I'd make it through four years of otherlad horny posting.
>> No. 91429 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 11:20 pm
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>>91428
Oh come on, she is attractive though.
>> No. 91430 Anonymous
12th November 2020
Thursday 11:50 pm
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>>90456

He has a hint of Ed Miliband about him, which might be his undoing. Rishi is obviously massively popular given that we only ever see him when he's shaking the magic money tree, but his nerdiness might undermine his appeal over the course of a leadership campaign.

Timing is crucial - Rishi is a shoo-in if there's a rushed contest early next year, but he'll be a heck of a lot less popular in a couple of years when the bill for furlough comes due.




>> No. 91433 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 1:52 am
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>>91430

So this was Labour's plan all along. They have simply developed a more convincing skin for their T-1000 and they've deployed it at the heart of the Conservative party.
>> No. 91434 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 2:26 am
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>>91430
British politics is a joke.

>>91433
T-800 or death.
>> No. 91435 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 7:28 am
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>The government is poised to reach a settlement with an aide who was marched out of Downing Street by armed police after being sacked by Dominic Cummings. Government sources said that Sonia Khan, a former special adviser to the then chancellor Sajid Javid, will receive a settlement worth between £50,000 and £100,000.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/settlement-for-sonia-khan-adviser-marched-out-of-no-10-gkt56d6jn

>Dominic Cummings 'to leave Downing Street role by Christmas'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/12/boris-johnson-on-last-chance-say-tory-mps-after-lee-cain-row
>> No. 91436 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 9:19 am
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>>91430
I've never noticed before how similar he is to Miliband. Yet one was a North London geeknerd and the other is the dishy PM-in-waiting.

I hate everything.
>> No. 91438 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 9:24 am
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>>91436
It's the elephant features.
>> No. 91452 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 2:04 pm
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>>91434
I google for a saville terminator image, on the offchance that such a thing existed and found this.


>> No. 91453 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 2:29 pm
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>>91452

I find this kind of propaganda facinating, it pretends like it is satire poking fun of a politician and actually isn't.

I find it insidious.

Thick people probably share and it boosts their profile.

Got to play to the proles in the cheep seats who mistake it for punching up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4SBb465bF0
>> No. 91454 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 4:02 pm
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>>91453
> it pretends like it is satire poking fun of a politician and actually isn't.
U wot m8. It seems to be fully supportive of him.
>> No. 91455 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:01 pm
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>>91454

I know it is. But it has the affectation of satire. don't it m8.
>> No. 91456 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:13 pm
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>>91455
Not really. Arnie is the good guy and has come to kick some arse. So put Saville's face on makes him the good guy too. Although maybe the T2 audience doesn't know that Arnie is the good guy on first viewing, but everyone knows it now so that's probably moot.
>> No. 91457 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:28 pm
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Cummings has gone.
>> No. 91459 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:51 pm
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>>91457
There does something off about his "I said I'd be leaving at the end of the year all along" message, like a pre-emptive excuse if it all goes tits up.
>> No. 91461 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:53 pm
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>>91428
Mate, she's just so fit though.
>> No. 91462 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:54 pm
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>>91457
>Laura Kuenssberg said his departure had been brought forward given the "upset in the team" in Downing Street, for which she said it had been a "difficult week".

If this was Corbyn's chief advisor quitting, I've no doubt the rhetoric would be about the team being "at each others throats", "sheer chaos", the team "disintegrating around the PM's ears", etc.

Sage for give it a rest already.
>> No. 91463 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 5:59 pm
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>>91457
Another casualty of the end of furlough right before Christmas. This would've never been allowed to happen under Corbyn.

I wonder what will change with Cummings out of the picture. I'd say the backbenches have pulled off a coup but Vote Leave are the backbenchers.
>> No. 91467 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 6:24 pm
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>>91461
She is clever and fit.
>> No. 91469 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 6:45 pm
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>>91463
They seemed to do fuck all when he was there apart from u-turn or leak ideas to the press to gauge the public response to them, so I imagine Boris will continue to do fuck all whilst he's gone.
>> No. 91470 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 7:10 pm
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>>91459
I reckon that was Cummings trying to buy himself time.

Honestly I'm not sure what's caused his departure. I know there's been loads of cock-ups, but the spotlight wasn't especially on him at the moment, so I'm assuming it's almost entirely court intrigue.

>>91461
I don't deny it, I just don't want to hear about her tits the morning after she's sent specially equiped water cannon drone tanks to crush protesters in Isolation Camp 493 (formally Wigan).
>> No. 91471 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 7:56 pm
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>>91469
My understand is that Cummings was at least seen as someone keen on investing in the North. Maybe the dust-up was a revolt of the Conservative parties more libertarian leanings who're howling over the deficit.
>> No. 91472 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 8:07 pm
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>>91471
Apparently the power struggle against him was led by Carrie Symonds and Javid is in line to be Boris' #2.
>> No. 91473 Anonymous
13th November 2020
Friday 8:15 pm
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>>91472
>Apparently the power struggle against him was led by Carrie Symonds
This seems out of the blue to me and as a result I'm skeptical. probably too skeptical.
>> No. 91480 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 7:43 am
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>>91473
He's said to have been given the heave-ho after Johnson confronted him with texts showing that he'd been briefing against Symonds.
>> No. 91481 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 11:59 am
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Cripes lads. Is there really not going to be another General Election until late 2024?

It seems almost certain that Boris will quit after the Public start to really feel the detrimental effects of Brexit, and given the precedent set by the current Cabinet and culture of the Conservative Party I cant see his replacement being any more competent or magnanimous.

The Conservative Party holds 56% of seats in the House of Commons, so bar unprecedented swathes of MPs in the House leave the Party we're stuck with the current lot at the time of arguably the greatest Crisis the UK has faced since WWII.

Has there been any comparable situation to this in the UK Historically that I can read up on to get a better handle on what's about to occur in the coming years?
>> No. 91482 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 12:20 pm
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>>91481
Maybe 383-410?
>> No. 91483 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 12:38 pm
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>Mr Cummings’ decision to walk out of Number 10 after what one official called “a day of tantrums” raised concerns that the adviser might turn against Mr Johnson and lift the lid on a chaotic administration. One government insider said: “I won’t be surprised if there’s an explosive stunt between now and Christmas.” A colleague of Mr Cummings said: “It’s not Dom’s style just to quietly drift away.”

>Mr Johnson held a 45-minute meeting with Mr Cummings and Mr Cain on Friday to discuss their “general behaviour” this week, according to individuals with knowledge of the conversation. In tense exchanges, Mr Johnson accused his aides of briefing against him and his partner Carrie Symonds and criticised them for destabilising the government in the midst of tense Brexit negotiations. Mr Johnson showed the aides text messages that had been forwarded to Ms Symonds, who opposed Mr Cain’s appointment as chief of staff, to show they had briefed against her. He told them to get out and never return.

https://ft.com/content/6f0fc7a4-becc-474a-9924-57d9c8419551
>> No. 91484 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 1:23 pm
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I wonder where he will go next.

>>91481
>arguably the greatest Crisis the UK has faced since WWII

Come off it. Nobody will die because of Brexit and we don't even have the paralysis of the May parliament.

>>91483
Why is Boris, as the 4kids say, such a simp? He seem quite incapable of separating his work and private life.
>> No. 91485 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 1:47 pm
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>>91484

>Nobody will die because of Brexit

The government's own planning documents say otherwise, and that was before COVID.
>> No. 91486 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 1:56 pm
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>>91484
What would you, then, say is the greatest crisis the UK has faced since the Second World War (titled correctly because I'm not a septic)?
>> No. 91487 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 2:00 pm
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>>91484
>Why is Boris, as the 4kids say, such a simp? He seem quite incapable of separating his work and private life.

I think what gets often overlooked is that Symonds isn't a stranger to politics. She's been involved in the Tory party for over 10 years, working as a press officer and a special adviser.

That and she's probably got a bit of leverage over him from his alleged affair with a violinist.
>> No. 91489 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 2:10 pm
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>>91485
And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws.

>>91486
Politically it's Suez and if we're talking domestically then a tie between 1974 and 1976. Obviously the greatest crisis generally was Cuba but we had little say in the affair.
>> No. 91490 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 2:21 pm
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>>91489
>And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws
I look forward to your next paper, professor.
>> No. 91491 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 2:27 pm
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I love these spads who get lucky in a big way and decide they've cracked it, they know how to do politics and no one can stop them, until they go and do something as stupid as briefing against their own sodding boss and his wife. The arrogance is truly a sight to behold. He may have played a sizable role in the Brexit referendum, but right-wing print media and government ineptitude were more of a factor. He may have helped the Tories win big in 2019, but Labour's campaign was about as agile and dynamic as Han Solo frozen in carbonite. I don't even particularly care that he's gone, but I do think it's funny, really rather funny.

>>91484
>I wonder where he will go next.
The Spectator, he seems like exactly the kind of arsehole they love. He could have a bit too much self-respect to become an opinion monkey right away, so he might end up at a think tank for a while, wiling away his time pretending to think.
>> No. 91492 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 2:43 pm
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https://www.ippr.org/media-item/watch-dominic-cummings-hollow-men-lecture-2014

This lecture is interesting to watch given everything we know about Cumming's tenure at no. 10 and everything that has transpired since 2016 (especially this year).

While the critiques of the Civil Service may be valid it seems like these Consultancies being used are just a lame horse of a different (and more expensive) colour.
>> No. 91493 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 3:03 pm
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>>91489

>And if you actually believe that then you're grasping at straws.

The NHS is absolutely on the ragged edge in much of the country, particularly the North West. We've got huge staff shortages and constant issues with distribution of essential supplies. The big hope for ending the pandemic is the new vaccine; that vaccine is extremely temperature-sensitive and must be stored at colder temperatures than any existing drug or vaccine, so nobody is entirely sure how to manage the logistics. Our supply will come from Pfizer's advanced biologics facility in Belgium.

I don't see how the biggest disruption to our border logistics since the Second World War could possibly exacerbate that situation with fatal consequences. /s
>> No. 91494 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 3:18 pm
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>>91493
It'll be gammon that voted for Brexit that are more likely to do so it's alright.
>> No. 91495 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 4:57 pm
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>>91493

> that vaccine is extremely temperature-sensitive and must be stored at colder temperatures than any existing drug or vaccine, so nobody is entirely sure how to manage the logistics.

I've read that, and it's apparently going to be a major limiting factor in delivering the vaccine especially to poor third-world countries in warmer climates.

Probably good news though for companies that make industrial freezing appliances.
>> No. 91496 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 7:30 pm
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>>91493
>We've got huge staff shortages and constant issues with distribution of essential supplies

This is news?

>I don't see how the biggest disruption to our border logistics since the Second World War could possibly exacerbate that situation with fatal consequences. /s

And the fix to importing essential drugs in such an emergency would involve a hand-wave. You can even prop up the airline industry right now by booking flights to deliver the stuff. It'll be expensive if the border turns into a traffic jam but people won't die.
>> No. 91497 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 8:29 pm
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>>91496

The government have no interest in paying airlines to do medical imports - we have tried to tender that contract already. Hopefully that will change when they get more desperate, but then again, an RAF Globemaster has a fair bit more cargo space than I can allocate a 738.
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14th November 2020
Saturday 8:30 pm
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>>91496
>This is news?
Well, you seemed unaware.

>And the fix to importing essential drugs in such an emergency would involve a hand-wave.
Oh, wow, you're actually a cabinet minister.
>> No. 91504 Anonymous
14th November 2020
Saturday 11:30 pm
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>The catalyst for Cummings’s eventual departure was his fury at Johnson’s refusal to give their friend Cain the job of chief of staff. Johnson had discussed the idea, while Cummings and Cain pushed hard to support the move.

>But their lobbying finally went too far. When Cain’s appointment was leaked to Wednesday’s newspapers—in what Johnson regarded as an attempt to bounce him into confirming it—the premier’s patience ran out. He refused to make Cain chief of staff and then the two aides decided to stand down at the end of the year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-14/boris-johnson-clears-out-his-brexit-gang-to-take-back-control

Seems like it's come back down to leaking things to the press.

>>91498
Meanwhile ultra-cold boxes are actually being put out following a mass logistics operation that began even before we got the news on the vaccine. This includes the mass organisation of cargo-plane flights:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-sets-up-its-biggest-ever-vaccination-distribution-campaign-11603272614
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-14/crucial-vaccine-and-treatment-data-only-days-away?srnd=premium-europe
>> No. 91508 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 12:38 am
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>>91504

>Meanwhile ultra-cold boxes are actually being put out following a mass logistics operation that began even before we got the news on the vaccine. This includes the mass organisation of cargo-plane flights.

I have absolute confidence in a government that gave a cargo ferry contract to a company with no ferries, no experience in operating ferries, no ability to procure ferries and a website that was plagiarised from a takeaway.
>> No. 91509 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 2:03 am
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>>91493

The logistics will be a shitshow. Where I work, when we take delivery of control organisms and reagents requiring dry ice transport, it comes in this huge fuckoff insulated box, just for a tiny package no bigger than a packet of Haribo.

Transporting millions of vaccines this way is not just unfeasible, I'm not certain it's possible at all. The vaccine will have to be targeted very carefully at vulnerable groups until the supplies trickle through or another more robust one is certified.
>> No. 91510 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 2:30 am
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Boris isn't going anywhere, people are still in 2010-2019 unstable government mode of thinking and it's not adequete. He might get booted out 2022 or 2023 if Tory polling doesn't hold up (think Thatcher 1990) but other than that he's dandy. Sorry.
>> No. 91512 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 3:02 am
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>>91509
>The logistics will be a shitshow

They really will - normal doctors surgeries or pharmacies are not going to be able to handle it well. We're going to need dedicated mobile units that do it - serious refrigerated trucks.
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15th November 2020
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>>91509


>when we take delivery of control organisms and reagents requiring dry ice transport, it comes in this huge fuckoff insulated box, just for a tiny package no bigger than a packet of Haribo

Is that because putting multiple in one box would provide insufficient cooling, or because you can't cross contaminate? If the latter, can we not ship multiple vaccines in one of these big dry ice boxes? I accept it still might not be a huge number, but five or ten per box is still a lot more than one.

Obviously, "big fuck off box" doesn't give me much to work with in terms of estimates, but you underestimate just how much stuff you can fit in a heavy airlift cargo jet. It is expensive, but otherwise trivial to use Very Big Planes to fly these sorts of things over to us (after the politicians handwave the importing, obviously).

It'll still be a fucking nightmare, but the bottleneck would, in theory, be on the lorries on our home soil loading and driving the boxes to where they need to go.

And then the real problems start when you try and store these things for any length of time - how the fuck is that going to work? How many -70C warehouses are there in Britain?
>> No. 91515 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 3:27 am
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>>91513

>Obviously, "big fuck off box" doesn't give me much to work with in terms of estimates, but you underestimate just how much stuff you can fit in a heavy airlift cargo jet. It is expensive, but otherwise trivial to use Very Big Planes to fly these sorts of things over to us (after the politicians handwave the importing, obviously).

There are hard limits on how much dry ice you can put on a plane before there's a risk of the flight crew suffocating. There are some theoretical workarounds, but they're all massively dicey because nobody has ever tried doing anything that daft. Realistically, the vaccine is either coming across by sea in reefers or in dribs and drabs on regular air freight.

https://www.nap.edu/read/22651/chapter/6

Also:

Retailers, shipping and haulage companies have complained of "chaos" at Felixstowe Port in Suffolk, affecting goods in the run-up to Christmas.

One ship due to be unloaded at the port last week was redirected to Rotterdam because of "unacceptable" delays.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129
>> No. 91516 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 7:52 am
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>Despite the departure of Cummings and Cain, Johnson is understood to have told a group of officials in Downing Street that he wanted to get “the band back together” for the 2024 election.

>Cain handed in his resignation following the fallout from Stratton’s appointment. The prime minister is understood to have attempted to reverse the decision and offered him the role of chief of staff, but Cain quit after news of the job offer leaked.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/14/attacks-by-pms-ousted-aide-left-new-press-chief-in-tears
>> No. 91517 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 9:54 am
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Definitely no chance of this potentially resulting in any deaths for any reason at any future time.
>> No. 91518 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 9:55 am
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Or the other option to importing the vaccine into this country would be someone based in this country to pay a fuckton of money for a license to produce the vaccine locally (although even if that was done it would probably take months to ramp up production)
>> No. 91519 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 10:09 am
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>>91517
Jesus. It's not like the words 'Ireland' and 'starve' are politically charged, is it?
>> No. 91520 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 10:19 am
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>>91517

This seems shortsighted at best, completely fucking stupid at worst - they clearly haven't done much research into the tens of millions Ireland have been pumping into Rosslare and Dublin ports and their airports - They are more than ready to bypass UK trade entirely if need be. I don't really understand how the report has missed this, we have absolutely nothing other than politics to threaten Ireland with.
>> No. 91535 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 9:21 pm
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It seems rather convenient.
>> No. 91536 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 9:21 pm
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>>91509
Pfizer have already made crates the size of a suitcase that work for up-to 10 days and contain 1-5k of vaccines a piece. The big problem will be making sure baggage handlers don't break everything with their ape-like fists.

I probably should've put my money into logistics when I had the chance - the 'just in time' model of supply is going to Moon over the coming months.

>>91514
>How many -70C warehouses are there in Britain?

It's not just warehouses but university labs and even sperm banks. Then there's a powdered form in development for next year and all the other potential vaccines.
https://www.ft.com/content/0207755e-1bc8-4b46-bc25-1d89f4f9b6f5

>>91517
It should've been something emphasised from the start - Dublin needs to work with the UK on this. It's not just about the border but wider supply chains with GB that will fuck them harder owing to sheer scale. Although I'm not sure what kind of pull that has on the French fishing lobby.

>>91520
They're pumping money precisely because they realise how fucked they are if it all goes wrong. It creates an argument of time not that Dublin is out of the woods, especially when Ireland lacks the land infrastructure on top of entry-point woes.

You might also want to consider that port expansion takes a long time. Just look at the UK's own saga on airport expansion.
>> No. 91545 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 11:40 pm
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>>91535
It's just Boris being a useless coward again.
>> No. 91546 Anonymous
15th November 2020
Sunday 11:54 pm
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>>91535
I dunno - if he gets it twice, the entire narrative around immunity (and therefore vaccines) completely changes - plus the obvious risk to his health.
>> No. 91547 Anonymous
16th November 2020
Monday 2:15 am
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>>91535
It wouldn't suprise me if that useless lunatic Anderson decided to act as some sort of COVID suicide bomber. I tell you, these neophyte Tory MPs are Republican Party level nutty; we're already living in their fun house, we just haven't realised the front door's locked yet.
>> No. 91548 Anonymous
16th November 2020
Monday 7:03 am
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>Boris Johnson has been warned that his time in power might be running out with MPs claiming Rishi Sunak is 'agitating like fury' to take over.

https://www.If I post a link to this website again I will be banned.co.uk/news/article-8950609/Cummings-allies-claim-Rishi-Sunaks-time-drawing-close.html
>> No. 91549 Anonymous
16th November 2020
Monday 11:34 am
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>>91548
How ineffective of a politician do you have to be to find yourself facing a palace coup from Sunak? What next, is Mr Bean going to taking Carrie off him?
>> No. 91551 Anonymous
16th November 2020
Monday 12:05 pm
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>>91549
>What next, is Mr Bean going to taking Carrie off him?

Rowan Atkinson has form for stealing much younger women so I wouldn't call it quite so absurd. I feel for James Acaster, imagine the nightmare of your girlfriend ringing up to say that she's dumped you for Mr Bean or the inevitable lead up of him elbowing his way in.

It's no wonder he stopped being funny.
>> No. 91559 Anonymous
16th November 2020
Monday 8:32 pm
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>>91551

When did he start?
>> No. 91575 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 3:44 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYWkbeYT7TU

This might be the most awkward interview I've seen on the news in recent years m'lord
>> No. 91577 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 4:53 pm
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>>91575
Did Heseltine let out some wind at 0:24?
>> No. 91578 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 5:13 pm
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>>91575

If you think that is awkward you haven't seen enough Kay Burley interviews. She is such an insufferable cunt her wikipedia categories her controversies not by incidents but by year.

This one sticks out of note her telling a phone hacked MP he should have just changed his pin, the full interview is more spectacular but sky news has taken it down because copyright claims are a great way to cover up for a punchable fuckwit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDBRjKva74
>> No. 91579 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 7:13 pm
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>>91578
> sky news has taken
Going violently off-topic - I'd've used have there. Are you some kind of foreigner?
>> No. 91580 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 7:35 pm
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>>91579

Americans are more likely to use the singular, but it's not at all clear-cut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_grammatical_differences#Subject-verb_agreement
>> No. 91581 Anonymous
17th November 2020
Tuesday 7:58 pm
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>>91579

Sky News the faceless corporate entity, or Sky News the more informal group of people?
>> No. 91620 Anonymous
18th November 2020
Wednesday 10:28 pm
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Exclusive: Boris Johnson blocks promotion of MP who Carrie Symonds gave evidence against in sex assault case... even though the Tory rising star was CLEARED of groping woman at Christmas party

https://www.If I post a link to this website again I will be banned.co.uk/news/article-8963539/Boris-Johnson-blocks-promotion-MP-Carrie-Symonds-gave-evidence-against-sex-assault-case.html
>> No. 91621 Anonymous
18th November 2020
Wednesday 11:28 pm
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>>91620
>Boris Johnson has said privately that he will not promote Mr Holden because he fears his fiancee Miss Symonds would disapprove
Also some wanker's ladder climbing ambitions aren't worth the baggage he'd bring? The Mail's so deathly afraid of even the mildest suggestion that this government will be anything other than a pack of savage wreckers, that they'll stick up for someone nobody five feet beyond the steps of Parliament has ever heard of.
>> No. 91623 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 5:04 pm
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Don't worry about Brexit lads, we'll be sipping Port on Mars in no time.
>> No. 91624 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 5:18 pm
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>>91623
Trump's doing so well in the US, obviously Johnson needs to keep following in his footsteps.
>> No. 91625 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 5:29 pm
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>>91621
- Lee Cain. Beat Symonds to be Boris Johnson's SpAD in 2016 while he was Foreign Secretary, which she held a grudge about. Ousted.

- Dominic Cummings. Responsible for Javid stepping down as Chancellor, whom Symonds is close with as she used to be his adviser. Ousted.

- Richard Holden. Symonds testified that he's a sex pest. Blocked from promotion.

It's not too farfetched to suggest there's a pattern here.
>> No. 91626 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 6:06 pm
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>>91625
Symonds is actually slowly purging the shit from government?
>> No. 91627 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 6:07 pm
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>>91625
Please don't misinterpret me as defending these Tory cretins, but I find fault with your reasoning. Cain pipped Symonds for a job in 2016, okay. However, you have no idea if she held a grudge about it and apparently she's friendly enough with Johnson to bear his child now, even though he presumably chose Cain over her. Sunak has been the only Conservative to look half-decent during 2020 and is already being talked about as the next leader despite being in cabinet for less than a year, which would seem to make appointing him a misstep if you don't want backbenchers trying to carry him into Number 10 like a bunch of more self-interested, latter-day, Praetorians. And what I said about not having an alledged sex pest in the upper echelons of the party still stands with regards to Holden. If I was in any position of power in a political party and a man with the words "alledged sex pest" on his CV wanted a job I wouldn't even look him in the eye before ordering him covered in pitch and lit on fire. It just isn't worth the hassle, even if the allegation comes from a psychic with a fraud conviction claiming Holden tried it on with Bugs Bunny in drag while holidaying on Atlantis.

I've no doubt there's plenty of intriguing and game-playing in and around Number 10, but The Mail are clearly trying to lay the ground work to ultimately paint Symonds as the power behind the throne, which is a archetype going back to the days of Livia Drusilla. It's a cheeky little warning shot, in the same manner they had a pop at Marcus Rashford for owning loads of houses. The Mail's saying "we're watching you", like a mobster telling you where your kids go to school. Frankly, I think the way everyone's behaving as though Johnson is just some kind of idiotic sponge without the ability to generate his own thoughts letting him of frather easily. Though I will admit it's possible COVID turned his brain to soup or that all he ever wanted was to sit in the big chair, never really thinking what he'd do once he got there. Let alone what he'd do if he got there and everything went to absolute shit just as soon as the seat was warm.

My takeaway got delivered in the middle of writing this so that's my excuse if it's totally incoherent.
>> No. 91628 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 6:10 pm
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>>91627

>and apparently she's friendly enough with Johnson to bear his child now, even though he presumably chose Cain over her

That's an odd point to make when the discussion is about her manipulating Boris constantly.
>> No. 91629 Anonymous
19th November 2020
Thursday 6:25 pm
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That cow Patel has been found to have broken some rules. Just watch her not be held accountable for that either.
>> No. 91630 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 4:15 am
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>>91628
I find it hard to believe she'd get knocked up just so she can spend five years whispering in the PM's ear to do... what exactly? I'm not saying she doesn't have influence, but the idea she's puppeteering this whole shower is a bit far fetched. People like to think MPs are more inert than they really are, but in reality they're quite capable of heaping misery upon us all by themselves.

>>91629
Laying it on a bit thick there, Torylad.
>> No. 91631 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 6:40 am
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>>91629
Apparently she's been given the option of either getting a written warning telling her not to be naughty again or she can wear some outfits that show off her chunky arse and that'll be the end of it.
>> No. 91632 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 7:01 am
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>>91630

The point is it's hardly shocking that she'd be more attached to her partner than a bloke from work who got promoted when she didn't, even if the partner had a hand in that - you've been in relationships, right? They're hardly straightforward.

Moreover nobody is suggesting she has the codes to the nukes or is altering the cogs of whitehall in smoky rooms behind everyone's back - the accusation is that she has whinged at her boyfriend about people who she didn't like and it has been effective.
>> No. 91633 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 10:19 am
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>>91632

As has been mentioned before, Carrie is not an ingenue - she worked in CCHQ for nine years and comes from a family of extremely well-connected journalists. She should not be underestimated.
>> No. 91634 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 10:44 am
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>>91633
>she worked in CCHQ for nine years
I'd already forgotten about that, and she used to be a Twitter bugbear in my sphere of political consciousness.
>> No. 91635 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 11:45 am
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>>91631
Jesus fucking Christ, I want to breed this woman.
>> No. 91636 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 11:57 am
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>>91635
She is prime hatefuck material.
>> No. 91637 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 12:32 pm
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Leftwing twitter:
>I can't wait for those MPs who were queueing up to condemn John Bercow over allegations of bullying to stick to their principles and condemn Priti Patel for the same.
Rightwing twitter:
>The Left turned a blind eye to John Bercow’s allegations of bullying in the hope that he could overturn the plebs vote for Brexit, so please do feel free to take with a pinch of salt their protestations now over allegations of Priti Patel raising her voice at the Home Office.
>> No. 91638 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 12:50 pm
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>>91637
If I gave a crap I'd check Twitter myself, but I don't have an account because I don't care. Indeed, unless you have a larger point to make that you managed to forgot about whilst copy-pasting your greentext, I think yours might be the most contemptible post I've ever seen on .gs.
>> No. 91639 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 12:59 pm
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>>91638
I didn't forgot about it, I just assumed the useless stalemate that my point was to implicitly draw attention to, was obvious.
>> No. 91640 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:32 pm
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>>91637>>91639

There's professional help for what you're going through, you know?
>> No. 91641 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:34 pm
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>>91640
What's that, then?
>> No. 91642 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:42 pm
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>>91641

Paying some big bloke to destroy all your internet-connected devices.
>> No. 91643 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:43 pm
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>>91642
I think you may be imagining something on my part that isn't there.
>> No. 91644 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:48 pm
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>>91643

Like you imagining how two factions of Twitter would post about something on here, but doing it in a really obnoxious way?
>> No. 91645 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:53 pm
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>>91636

I want to be her toilet slave.
>> No. 91646 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 1:55 pm
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>>91644

Yes, that isn't what happened. The only part that did happen is you getting angry about it, which is entirely on you.
>> No. 91647 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 2:46 pm
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>>91646

You're imagining things again, SchizoLad.
>> No. 91648 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 2:53 pm
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Can we just agree that neither of you actually give a shite and you're both derailing the thread in the most embarrassing way possible? Don't either you have some working-from-home or shopping to do? Maybe a Football Manager save you could get back to? Just be normal, yeah.
>> No. 91649 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 3:02 pm
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>>91648
My Darlington save got corrupted and I didn't have a backup. I'd made it from the Conference North to League Two in three seasons. Proper boiled my piss that did.
>> No. 91650 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 3:53 pm
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>>91649
Well you boiled your own piss there didn't you. Backup, backup, backup.
>> No. 91651 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 4:05 pm
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>>91650
Yeah it's my own fault for being such a wally. I was quite enjoying that save as my scouts were actually coming up with decent recommendations; Ross County accepted a bid of £0 for Russell Dingwall and he bagged more than a goal a game in the Conference North and when I got promoted they picked out a regen playing for an amateur side in Ireland that had the potential to at least cut it to the Championship.
>> No. 91652 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 4:40 pm
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>>91648
I went and played Thief III for a bit, I still don't know what got him so riled up.
>> No. 91653 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 5:00 pm
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>>91652
I mean, it was a useless post.
>> No. 91654 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 5:02 pm
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>>91653
As opposed to all the vastly constructive conversation that normally happens here? What are you on?
>> No. 91655 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 6:30 pm
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>A row has broken out after Boris Johnson’s adviser on the ministerial code resigned in the wake of the prime minister standing by the home secretary, Priti Patel, despite a long-awaited official inquiry finding evidence that she bullied civil servants. Sir Alex Allan’s findings, based on the Cabinet Office investigation, concluded that Patel’s approach “amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying” – noting instances of shouting and swearing – and decided that she had breached the ministerial code, even if unintentionally.

>But Johnson, who is the sole arbiter of the rules, rejected his adviser’s conclusion by deciding that the code had not been breached, prompting Allan’s resignation on Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/20/priti-patel-boris-johnson-bullying-report-findings
>> No. 91656 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 6:38 pm
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>>91655
>noting instances of shouting and swearing
>> No. 91657 Anonymous
20th November 2020
Friday 7:01 pm
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>>91656

LIFE IMITATING ART INNIT
>> No. 91658 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 12:16 am
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Are we literally on a greasy slope towards Totalitarianism which has all the worst aspects of Hitlerism, or Stalinism with no redeeming qualities?

Are we to destined to be ruled by the failsons of hedge fund managers who make their name writing clickbait articles in online magazines mistake intelligence for knowing the names of rulers from the less admirable epochs of British history?
>> No. 91659 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 1:59 am
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>>91658
Probably.

At least we (as in the British public) voted them in. Yay democracy.
>> No. 91660 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 2:57 am
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>>91658

>Are we literally on a greasy slope towards Totalitarianism

No.

>Are we to destined to be ruled by the failsons of hedge fund managers

Always have been.
>> No. 91661 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 3:07 am
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>>91658
I've said it several times now; we lost the war in 2016, everything else is just the consolidation of power. After the Soviets pulled off Operation Bagration the Second World War was completely and hopelessly lost for the Germans and their Axis allies. Of course the war didn't end in mid-'44, but it was a foregone conclusion: unconditional surrender. That's what we're waiting for now. We can fight to take climate change seriously, tackle rampant inequality and homelessness and put civil liberties before state power and private business interests, but I can't personally entertain the idea of long-term success on any front any longer. Corbyn was a complete fluke and not an especially effective one. Though it's worth noting he polled alright considering his "radical" policies and "complete dog shit" political abilities, it matters not anymore. Even now they have power, right-wing Labourites attempt to split the party, seeing no hypocrisy in their own drive for political purity, despite spending half-a-decade crying wolf over the very same thing on the left. Even if Starmer, or whoever, does win the next election we'll have meek and shortsighted government that papers over the cracks, the UK's power will be too diminished internationally to influence anything and the rot of neoliberalism will continue more or less unabated around the world. I just think we're living in one of those eras where things go to Hell in a handbasket. Not in an exciting or immediate way, just that we, meaning humanity, have hit a snag. We might garrot ourselves or by 2100 they'll look back and laugh, who can say?
>> No. 91662 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 3:36 am
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>>91661

You have too much of a short term view. It would have appeared much the same to an old-guard leftie in 1992, with no apparent prospect of ever getting Labour back in. And then look what happened.

If you think we lost in 2016 then you haven't been paying attention for the past two decades.
>> No. 91663 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 4:38 am
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>>91661

Keir Starmer is going to be the next Prime Minister and it's going to be perfectly satisfactory.
>> No. 91664 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 4:56 am
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>>91661
It isn't that bad mate. Labour have always been shit, until a messiah comes along. Tories usually hold onto power for some two decades before Labour gets in. Blame the voters.
>> No. 91665 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 5:26 am
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>>91664
>Blame the voters.

Britain is socially conservative. Labour used to understood this with messages like "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" which Blair actually first made as Shadow Home Secretary in 1992/93 while John Smith was leader. It doesn't mean you have to bring back hanging, you just need to be aware of what the main public concerns are and to appeal to them; the rise in crime in the early 1990s was a major issue and Labour at the time tapped into that.

You need a coherent message to get people on board. Labour seem to have forgotten this in the past 10 years ago and largely taken votes for granted instead.
>> No. 91666 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 10:43 am
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>>91665
You're not entirely wrong, but this is something you've got to be very careful with. The most fascinating opinion poll data out there is on public attitudes towards the unemployed: All through Thatcherism and for most of the 90s the public took the view that most of the unemployed were probably legitimately out of work. Then Labour started saying that actually people on the dole are dolescum and Labour's going to take away their handouts because that's what the tabloids say so the public must believe it, and after Labour did that public opinion moved sharply against the unemployed in a way that not even the 2008 recession could cure. Any moral qualms aside, this strategy has backfired horribly since the Conservatives will always be seen as tougher on welfare than Labour, but now more of the public believes that the Conservatives are justified in that stance.
>> No. 91667 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 11:05 am
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>>91666
>but now more of the public believes that the Conservatives are justified in that stance.

You need to update your source material, lad.
>> No. 91668 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 12:36 pm
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>>91667
A shame that all it took to get us to a position still far less sympathetic than that of 1996 was ~8 years of real terms benefit cuts, 3-and-a-bit years of the most left-wing Labour leader since the invention of the internet, the continued botching of the rollout of universal credit, the Conservatives pledging to end the welfare freeze, and a global pandemic.
>> No. 91669 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 12:57 pm
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>>91668
I reckon you're overthinking it.

If Labour are in power - People think benefits are too high.

If the Tories are in power - People think benefits are too low.
>> No. 91670 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 1:11 pm
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>>91669
That doesn't explain anything after 2010 though. The Tories have been in power since 2010, yet public opinion stubbornly remained on the side of "Benefits are too high" until this year. If it just followed who was in power, it would've flipped in 2011 or so.
>> No. 91671 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 1:50 pm
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>>91670
It's a trend. Look at the direction of travel.
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21st November 2020
Saturday 1:57 pm
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>>91670

>The Tories have been in power since 2010, yet public opinion stubbornly remained on the side of "Benefits are too high" until this year. If it just followed who was in power, it would've flipped in 2011 or so.

I think it's because post-2010, the Conservatives have been especially relentless in telling the public that our benefits system doesn't encourage enough self reliance. It was certainly part of Cameron's platform, but BoJo's stance isn't fundamentally different.
>> No. 91673 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 2:06 pm
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>>91671
A fair point, but the trend starts in 2016. The first crossover point is around 1997 / 1998 which is on the money for Tony getting in.

Maybe it helps that a lot of the tabloids help do their job for them, but it just seems that the game is tilted in the favour of the right when it comes to massaging public opinion and controlling the narrative.
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21st November 2020
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>>91673
>the trend starts in 2016.

Nope.
>> No. 91675 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 2:46 pm
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>>91674
I dunno, I'm inclined to still go by 2016 ladm9. Just looking at the grey line, if you take the average between 2008 and 2016 it's pretty stable at ~53% before taking a dive following that.
>> No. 91676 Anonymous
21st November 2020
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>>91675
I disagree.
>> No. 91677 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 4:59 pm
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>>91673
>Maybe it helps that a lot of the tabloids help do their job for them, but it just seems that the game is tilted in the favour of the right when it comes to massaging public opinion and controlling the narrative.

This makes perfect sense when you consider that tabloids are owned by private corporations.
>> No. 91678 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 6:30 pm
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>>91677

How this man manages to evade the public's disdain is beyond me.

He essentially controls the mainstream media narrative in most of the Anglosphere, and he is a piece of work.
>> No. 91679 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 6:44 pm
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>>91678
If people didn't like what Murdoch had to say they wouldn't buy his newspapers or watch his TV channels.
>> No. 91680 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 7:54 pm
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>>91679

>If people didn't like what Murdoch had to say

But that's just it.

Murdoch isn't just simply some reactionary soap box preacher shoving his world view down your throat. None of the editors or owners of those more or less right-wing tabloids are. They're better than that.

On the contrary, they give the lower middle class public exactly what they want to read. A bit of oversimplified polemic here, the odd bit of rage bait, fake indignation and finger pointing there, and the unwashed masses will be none the wiser, and happy that somebody speaks their language.

People don't want to broaden their horizons. The lower down the social ladder you go and the lower your target audience's education, the more they will just want to read things that confirm the views they already have. That isn't to say that the same doesn't work with posh people and the preconceived views that they like seeing confirmed, but you could argue that the lower classes are much more unaware that that's how those rags get them.
>> No. 91681 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 8:01 pm
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>>91680
In other words, we're their betters and we know what's good for them.
>> No. 91682 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 8:07 pm
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>>91680

This falls for the free market rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Just because an entitt has held onto a monopoly for long enough and managed to embed itself institutionally in such a way that it's very hard to root out, does not mean that it must be what people want. A company being profitable can be a sign of any number of things beyond just consumer demand -- but you've entirely missed the history of capitalism from the early twentieth century onwards if you think that consumer demand can't be ruthlessly manipulated with generations of relentless marketing and very deliberately squashing competing companies (or any organizations with a different message).
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21st November 2020
Saturday 8:37 pm
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>>91682

I don't see how what I said is irreconcilable with the tenets of ruthless manipulative capitalism.

But in the end, even the most pervasive capitalist marketing ruse will not make eskimoes buy fridges. There has to be a baseline inclination towards your product, however faint and as yet unarticulated. You can then capitalise on that and engender actual demand for your product. Which is where unbridled capitalism then comes into play. But even that will not work if you fail to give people what they want.

You're a bit too far on the dystopian side, lad. People aren't just innocent sheep who have evil capitalism foisted on them until they unquestioningly absorb it and become mental zombies incapable of independent thought. It's a lot more complex than that.
>> No. 91684 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 10:04 pm
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>>91680
>you could argue that the lower classes are much more unaware that that's how those rags get them.

I don't really agree, I think middle class and upper middle class people consume media in the same way but just with trendier aesthetics. Obviously the Guardian is more likely to write serious and verified articles than the Daily Express, but if you're talking about people who read these I don't see a great diversity of viewpoints among its readers.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/31/we-left-the-uk-for-portland-expecting-a-liberal-dream-that-wasnt-the-reality
Like, this article, just as an example and maybe a bit hyperbolic, but this woman's complaint is literally "I didn't like this place because people weren't enough like me and that's not acceptable to me", is the same mindset in a different section of society.

I suppose the difference if you're looking at it this way is that one part of society apparently consumes idiotic trash without question, the other consumes more credible and tasteful media (and trash) without question.
>> No. 91685 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 11:34 pm
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>>91683
I don't think it's fair to assume the baseline demand for The Sun is entirely in its right-wing politics. Of all the reactionary rags that compose the British Press, The Sun had the best ongoing justification for buying it for the longest time: softcore pornography. (Granted, sometimes daringly synthesized with right-wing politics.)
There's also always sports coverage, celebrity coverage, giveaways, etc.
At the same time: The Sun isn't god and political people really ought to stop thinking it is. Their front page in 2007's Scottish Elections compared voting SNP to putting the countries head in a noose, then in 2011 and 2015 they were forced to follow the tides of public opinion and back the SNP just to maintain the illusion of influence. Any subsequent Labour government (or ideally, any Government, but it's more tactically beneficial to Labour) should put less effort into courting the press (by all means, do so in opposition) and more effort into reforming it.
>> No. 91686 Anonymous
21st November 2020
Saturday 11:42 pm
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>>91684

Shocker. Not every single person in Oregon is a wide eyed, pot smoking hippie.
>> No. 91687 Anonymous
22nd November 2020
Sunday 12:27 am
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>>91685

>I don't think it's fair to assume the baseline demand for The Sun is entirely in its right-wing politics.

This.

Your common garden Daz white van man doesn't buy any paper at all for the polticks. He buys it to find out who won the footy, what's on the telly, who's shagging who and all that stuff.

He gets a side helping of politics he thinks he's ignoring, but he eats it all up nevertheless, like a plateful of peas swimming in gravy on the side of a nice roast.

It's a self-sustaining cycle really. Same reason you like McDonalds and drink coke- It's not because it's the best, it's just completely ubiquitous and you're used to it.
>> No. 91688 Anonymous
22nd November 2020
Sunday 1:41 am
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>>91672
I reckon it's because issues of welfare are entirely too complicated to be based on the dole alone and that, obviously, public opinion is a strange beast. I'd hazard the flip in recent history is to do with stories over the system being cruel at the assessment stage which had previously not come about because everyone was still shaking off the memories of the recession.

>>91678
>How this man manages to evade the public's disdain is beyond me.

Everybody hates Murdoch and it's not even exclusive to Britain. The reality is he's an old fart these days and his main interest has always been making money which is why his networks haven't tried to exercise control on the content of shows like Family Guy.*

The people who really don't get enough notoriety are his rivals such as the Barclay Brothers and Lebedev or if you want to go down a /boo/ rabbit hole the faceless groups who control the news. Plus the internal politics of the news room such the ongoing sectarian conflict between the Mail and Mail on Sunday.

*I say this because Seth MacFarlane was asked about this given his relationship to Fox.

>>91684
I think the trend among the Middle Class is actually to read the Week these days. I'm not sure how editors pulling the 'best articles' of the week is any less questionable but then it's pretty much what using imageboards involve.

If they read print news at all that is. A couple years back I tried to read the Times but half the bloody thing was bullshit ad flyers/pull out sections.

>>91685
>Any subsequent Labour government (or ideally, any Government, but it's more tactically beneficial to Labour) should put less effort into courting the press (by all means, do so in opposition) and more effort into reforming it.

Go to bed, Hugh Grant.
>> No. 91689 Anonymous
22nd November 2020
Sunday 10:44 am
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>>91683

You just ignored most of my post, there. Media is a great example of an industry that's so monopolised that you can print with an extremely heavy political bias and claim it must be what people want to read. A short glance at the history shows otherwise, though, with the Daily Herald being one of the papers with a very large readership that was essentially crushed by the power of advertising capital.

This isn't dystopian fiction or my jaded worldview, it actually happened, and it regularly happens across industries. There are a several major mechanisms by which you can build a successful business in such a way that treats consumer demand as a peripheral concern (at best).
>> No. 91691 Anonymous
22nd November 2020
Sunday 11:17 am
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>>91689
>There are a several major mechanisms by which you can build a successful business in such a way that treats consumer demand as a peripheral concern (at best).

HMG PLC being the most blatant example. Too big to fail, too slippery to jail.
>> No. 91764 Anonymous
25th November 2020
Wednesday 10:51 pm
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Theres a one off edition of The Beano for Adults, and they're ripping the piss out of everything they can.
>> No. 91769 Anonymous
26th November 2020
Thursday 8:10 pm
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Apparently now all the City of London firms need to up stakes and join the EU. How are they going to do that and keep all their money in our tax havens?
>> No. 91770 Anonymous
26th November 2020
Thursday 10:17 pm
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>>91769
They're the Queen's Tax Havens, not yours mate, and I'm sure a way will be found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yccHhBIsE
>> No. 91771 Anonymous
27th November 2020
Friday 9:35 am
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>>91764

Huh, so this is what the Viz would look like if it was really, really shit.
>> No. 91772 Anonymous
27th November 2020
Friday 2:31 pm
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>>91771
Viz is really really shit. Who the fuck actually buys Viz?
>> No. 91773 Anonymous
27th November 2020
Friday 2:55 pm
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>>91772
I used to buy it to run my Viz-fueled Vauxhall. But I had to trade it for something more practical.
>> No. 91774 Anonymous
27th November 2020
Friday 4:38 pm
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>>91773

I've got a Volvo that runs on back issues of 2000 AD, if you're interested. Two careful owners, 80k miles, slight traces of fanny batter on the back seats, £895 OVNO, GSOH, no DSS.
>> No. 91783 Anonymous
28th November 2020
Saturday 12:23 am
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>>91771
But Viz is really really shit.
I think that's sort of the point.
>> No. 91801 Anonymous
28th November 2020
Saturday 4:29 pm
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>>91783

This place really is full of utter snobs especially given that least two of us three seem to be unemployed or earn under 50k a year.

I'm just going to sit here happily reading my Viz and Private Eye, drinking my non-craft "piss in a tin" beer and watching re-runs of HIGNFY and other BBC comedy dross on fucking iplayer. Someone has to let the side down, after all.
>> No. 91803 Anonymous
28th November 2020
Saturday 4:35 pm
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>>91801
I thought 40k was the cutoff for snobbery? So long as it's a figure greater than your age of course.
>> No. 91804 Anonymous
28th November 2020
Saturday 4:47 pm
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>>91803

I vaguely remember there being a study a few years back that stated that £50k family income was the middle class cut-off point. Fuck knows though, really.
>> No. 91838 Anonymous
7th December 2020
Monday 9:03 pm
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I would love to read a transcript of the trade deal talks that have been happening this week. I bet they're utterly moronic.
>> No. 91851 Anonymous
9th December 2020
Wednesday 10:02 pm
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>>91838
Bodger offers the Eu a Box of Sherbert Dib Dabs in exchange for ALL THE FISH.
>> No. 91852 Anonymous
9th December 2020
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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>>91851

I'm hoping for a 'dead parrot sketch' but it's Boris going to Brussels to argue with Ursula von der Leyen, but instead of a dead parrot it's an 'oven ready deal'
>> No. 93166 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 9:32 am
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I have no idea what the fuck is going on, but apparently it's all Carrie's fault again.
>> No. 93167 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 9:45 am
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>>93166
What's Boris doing for her in bed for her to be okay with all this?
>> No. 93168 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 10:27 am
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>>93166
The Mail likes sticking it to Symonds because that means they can deflect from Johnson being a chocolate teapot, but clearly Number 10 collectively thought they could pin the shit on Cummings. It doesn't seem to have worked though as Cummings is not one to go quietly into the night. The "shit" in question was that Cummings had allegedly leaked the texts between Johnson and James Dyson, who asked for and promptly received guarantees on policy in order to deliver life saving medical ventilators, which it should be noted he was already being paid for — this wasn't a charitable donation — and the policy was regarding the tax status of "senior individuals" at the Dyson company. Cummings has said that it's total bullshit he leaked anything and more to the point the PM is a slimeball surrounded by idiots so bent you couldn't hammer them flat with Mjölnir, and that Johnson may have made an illegal deal to have donors pay for renovations to Number 11, which is where he actually lives because Number 10 is smaller.

This is seperate from the Greensill affair which was a quite undignified series of events in which David Cameron mooched around various ministers trying to get a massive government loan to save the pointless waste of a company Greensill Capital. All seemingly so he could make loadsa' money when the business, now bust, was floated on the stock market. As far as I know he never actually got any loans, just unfettered access to various members of government, which is the general problem with all of this.

Here's a good piece about what Greensill actually was, if like everyone else you have no idea: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/15/what-did-greensill-capital-actually-do
>> No. 93169 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 11:04 am
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>>93168
>Here's a good piece about what Greensill actually was, if like everyone else you have no idea: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/15/what-did-greensill-capital-actually-do

Not to mention the fact that Greensill were lending money out to companies that no mainstream bank was going to touch with a bargepole. Years ago most other banks stopped giving Sanjeev Gupta, mainly because they uncovered evidence of dodgy practices the equivalent of you going to 3 different banks and taking out 3 different loans secured against 1 car.
Every inch of his empire is dodgy as fuck, the government is definitely right to refuse to give them support because it's impossible to see where the money goes.
>> No. 93170 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 2:56 pm
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>>93166
>apparently it's all Carrie's fault
Or alternatively, brave Boris is innocent and blameless. I thought the Daily You-Know-What was turning against him? Clearly not.
>> No. 93171 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 3:11 pm
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>>93166
Will Carrie be the fittest First Lady of this entire century?
>> No. 93172 Anonymous
24th April 2021
Saturday 3:27 pm
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>>93171
I'm starting to see talk that she's the one twisting Boris' nipples into pushing green Britain. Personally I think COP26 and Biden might've done it but it's a fun theory that Carrie will save the world like she did with those enslaved monkeys.

Although I'm still team SamCam. Not so much outright fit as one of those people who really flourished after becoming a parent. A cool mum if you catch my penis.
>> No. 93263 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 12:55 am
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>>93166
Looking at the taste, I'm pretty sure this isn't Carrie's doing. Imagine trying to relax on this couch after a hard day at work.
>> No. 93264 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 11:11 am
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>>93263
https://quintessenceblog.com/sneak-peek-soane-fall-2017/

Although that picture is going around, it's from four years ago and a completely different place.
>> No. 93265 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 11:12 am
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>>93264

My understanding is that it's something from the same designer.
>> No. 93266 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 11:26 am
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>>93265
That makes twigs-inna-jar look classy. Fuck's sake.
>> No. 93267 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 12:17 pm
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>>93266
Dead classy.
>> No. 93268 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 1:55 pm
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>>93264
The most upsetting thing is that she clearly has it in for floors which given the clientele means scratches and dents on historical homes. That and putting expensive vases precariously on tables that are themselves placed touching sofas and beds so they will get broken in short order.

Animals.
>> No. 93276 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 7:32 pm
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>>93268
>That and putting expensive vases precariously on tables that are themselves placed touching sofas and beds so they will get broken in short order.
As a member of the upper classes I think it's the done thing to leave fragile items in precarious positions to show that you're so rich you don't have to worry about replacing them.

The lower classes do a similar thing when they leave plastic chairs in their front gardens.
>> No. 93277 Anonymous
30th April 2021
Friday 11:56 pm
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>>93276
>As a member of the upper classes I think it's the done thing to leave fragile items in precarious positions to show that you're so rich you don't have to worry about replacing them.

Everyone look at this nouveau riche and laugh. Us people of class never will spend a penny unless absolutely necessary.
>> No. 93281 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 6:41 am
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MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: Almost everyone in this country has better things to worry about than Boris and Carrie's wallpaper

The real divide in modern Britain is not between Tory and Labour. It is between the metropolitan elite and normal men and women. One side is snobbish, largely state-employed, liberal in manners and views. The other side live in the real world, relying on hard work and long hours to put food on the table and a roof over their children's heads.

One side is scornful of Brexit and nostalgic for the cloudy bureaucracy of the European Union. The other is tired of remote government by distant and insulated elites. It is quietly patriotic and full of common sense. It sees Brexit – rightly – as a chance to bring the country closer to the ground, and government closer to the people.

One side gets its views and its idea of the world from the BBC and Twitter. The other derives its opinions from experience. They are as different from each other as a pub in Derby is from the Groucho Club in Soho, and the gulf between them has been growing mightily in the past few years.

Old Labour, a party of trade unionism and old-fashioned working-class socialism, has little to do with the new, slick, hair-gelled world of Sir Keir Starmer and his revived Blairism, and even less to do with the burned-out, bigoted Trotskyism of Jeremy Corbyn. But this is the unwelcome choice between equally unappealing menus which New Labour has offered to its voters in recent years.

The Brexit referendum liberated such voters from their old allegiances, and it looks as if millions of them will never come back. The old landmarks have gone. The old loyalties are broken, because the Left's leaders were not loyal to their rank and file. The old slogans do not work.

The voters will no longer troop out obediently to vote according to obsolete class divisions which belong in a dead age of clogs, coal miners and cotton mills. Britain just is not like that any more, and those who believe that it is, or act as if it is, are much like the Japanese soldier Hiroo Onoda, lost in the Philippine jungle, who refused to surrender until 1974, 29 years after the war had ended.


The entire article continues like this. It is absolutely amazing.
>> No. 93282 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 6:52 am
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>>93281

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, man of the people.
>> No. 93283 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 6:59 am
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The very people who derided him for his wild lockdown ride to Barnard Castle now delight in the non-event of Wallpapergate, and the portrayal of the Premier's fiancee as Carrie Antoinette, a heedless plutocrat mocking the poor with the richness of her soft furnishings.

How foolish this all is. Prime Ministers work 24-hour days, never knowing when officials will burst in on them with urgent demands for decisions. Living above the shop is a burden, not a convenience. There is no proper boundary between work and life. It really is not unreasonable for heads of government to make their private space as pleasant as possible, and all civilised nations recognise this. Seldom has there been so much fuss about a non-issue.

Boris Johnson has shown in his time in office that he is skilled in using the levers of power. He has turned the Tory Party from a fractious mob into a united Government. By force of personality he liberated the country from the succession of Groundhog Days which were Theresa May's premiership. He got Brexit done. He reached out to the decent Labour voters whose party has abandoned them. And now he has brought us safely through the pandemic.

He deserves, and should receive, the continuing support of the British people.

>> No. 93286 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 10:48 am
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>>93281

Who wrote this?
>> No. 93287 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 11:13 am
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>>93286
By Mail On Sunday Comment For The Mail On Sunday.
>> No. 93288 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 11:36 am
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>>93283
I mean, fuck. Fucking hell. I clicked a Twitter link recently and wound up reading hundreds of tweets about Keir Starmer utterly annihilating Boris Johnson in Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, reducing him to a shrieking little petulant bitch over his flat renovations. I eventually watched it on YouTube and no such thing happened; Boris just answered the question loudly. It made me think, "Fucking lefties." But that's not even close to the bootlicking propagandist hackery of that article.
>> No. 93291 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 1:58 pm
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>>93288
>Boris just answered the question loudly

Utter bollox, Politicians don't answer questions, regardless of timbre.
>> No. 93292 Anonymous
2nd May 2021
Sunday 2:05 pm
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>>93288
I do think you're understating the previous PMQs somewhat. Johnson was clearly shaken, and in a break with everyone second of his time in office was in no mood for joking. Equally it's not as though he was going to storm off in a huff and resign then and there, but then you shouldn't be going on sodding Twitter, should you? Least of all to look at what the kind of freak who watches PMQs thinks. Twitter is for looking at women who wouldn't give you the time of day and finding out if your favourite YouTubers are being slow or have had another breakdown.
>> No. 93467 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 11:09 am
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We're living in the decade of Johnson.
>> No. 93470 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 12:00 pm
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>>93467
Well, the Conservatives managed 18 years last time they were in power, which in theory gives us one more Conservative general election win before people vote for whoever Labour have at the time. Probably one of Tony Blair's kids.
>> No. 93481 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 2:59 pm
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>>93470
Dan Jarvis is literally the only suitable candidate I can think of for the next leader after Unclear Starmer loses in 2024, barring perhaps the second coming of Burnham. That is assuming Jarvis isn't in one of the seats potentially at risk from Brexit Party voters flocking to the Tories.

Who else is there that would potentially have widespread public appeal? Lisa Nandy? Holly Lynch? Chris Evans? Emma Hardy? Ian Byrne? Afzal Khan? Debbie Abrahams? Jim McMahon? Sarah Champion? Louise Haigh? Emma Lewell-Buck? It's slim pickings.
>> No. 93483 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 3:13 pm
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>>93481

>It's slim pickings.

The problem goes far beyond the leader. Blair was the charismatic figurehead, but he had a team of real heavy-hitters around him - Brown, Straw, Cook, Beckett, Blunkett, Darling, Short, Mowlam and many more. Through no fault of his own, Starmer is stuck with one angry Brummie and a bunch of instantly-forgettable nobodies.
>> No. 93530 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 2:55 pm
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>>93481

Unironically Zarah Sultana. She's young, she's Northern, she's BAME, and most importantly in Post-Trump era politics: she has the meme factor.
>> No. 93531 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 3:09 pm
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>>93530
Absolutely fucking not.
>> No. 93532 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 3:10 pm
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>>93530
Surely it has been established that appealing to Twitter extremists is not the way to win an election? I think the best approach is honestly for Labour to just stick with Starmer. Labour tend to get rid of their leaders just before they would have been popular. There was a lot of criticism when the tabloids started cheering for Conservative policies that were Ed Miliband's policies, after Ed had been replaced by Jezco. Now the Conservatives have got rid of the sickle-wielding Corbynite insurrectionists, they are once again picking over his old policies and implementing a bunch of them. There's nothing to be done right now because the current situation requires big spending, but once that's over, Labour need to be ready for that rather than still reacting to the previous loss.
>> No. 93535 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>93530
I don't think someone who spent over a grand of taxpayer money on an iPhone should be regarded as Cabinet material. Not saying that the frontbench needs to be squeaky clean but it's hardly punching farmers and fast-tracking visas for fanny.
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9th May 2021
Sunday 3:55 pm
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>>93530
>and most importantly... she has the meme factor.
Jabbering fucking freak, shut up.
>> No. 93538 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 4:03 pm
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>>93532
>Surely it has been established that appealing to Twitter extremists is not the way to win an election?
Not really, that appears to still be highly contentious. Going by https://twitter.com/DaftLimmy/status/1391394432319164418 Corbyn was totally irrelevant to the decisions and the only people whose dislike of him really mattered was the people in the party itself who self-sabotaged because of it.
Honestly it's quite funny watching you all run around trying to make it still his fault that the party's doing worse now. "It must be that the voters lost faith in the party for making him leader to begin with and we need to win them back". No, obviously not. The fact that Johnson is in power now demonstrates the personal merits of the leader are pretty fucking irrelevant.
>> No. 93542 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 5:25 pm
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>>93538
>you all
I can't speak for the whole country, but I'm the person you replied to. Obviously coronavirus was largely unforeseeable, but it changed the landscape in such a way that if Jeremy Corbyn was still around, he'd do amazingly. That was my point. Everything being done now, he could have stood there and said, "This is exactly what I told you needed to be done!" I'm sure he'd still get it wrong somehow, getting Meghan Markle to design him a brand-new IRA balaclava or something, but it would have been an absolute open goal. I bet Labour are furious they got rid of him when they did, instead of either one year later or one year earlier.
>> No. 93543 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 5:28 pm
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>>93542
He is technically still around, all his diehard fans are obsessing about him over on you guessed it.
>> No. 93546 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 5:54 pm
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There's a fun line in The Times article about Dodds and Rayner being thrown under the bus.
>One shadow minister said things were “worse than they were under Corbyn”, whose staff at least followed the template of top-down trade union politics

I say this not to contribute to the ongoing continuation of the argument over how much Corbyn should be blamed for the strange death of Labour England, but because I always find it interesting how important (yet underrated) logistics, having a template, etc seems to be in politics. All that stuff is behind the scenes, so it's not surprising it would be neglected by people who're inexperienced and mismanaged by people from the last Labour government. Asking Peter Mandelson to run your spin operations in 2021 is a bit like calling in a guy who once knew how to do a half arsed job soldering broken ZX Spectrums and asking him to unbrick your iPhone 12.
>> No. 93569 Anonymous
10th May 2021
Monday 8:53 am
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>>93530

I'm keeping a keen eye on Sultana's career, precisely because she's so young.

She's from the generation that has used shit like Twitter and Facebook their entire lives, so the minute she gets near a sniff of power she's either going to be unpersoned in a media frenzy over a meme she posted while she was still at uni, or she's going to make a peculiar turn away from class-based left wing politics because some shadowy higher authority is blackmailing her over said meme she posted in 2012.

>she's BAME

I think the electorate can stomach a darkie, and possibly a woman too, but not both at the same time; and certainly not given the precise nature of Labour's present unpopularity. It's the last thing Labour needs to try get virtue signal votes.
>> No. 94376 Anonymous
2nd August 2021
Monday 6:24 pm
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2nd August 2021
Monday 8:12 pm
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>>94376
>Sunak, Truss and Mordaunt

Sounds like a Law Firm from an abandoned Terry Pratchett manuscript, or the contents of a Wiccan's spice rack.
>> No. 94378 Anonymous
2nd August 2021
Monday 8:30 pm
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>Carrie Johnson and Boris Johnson expecting second child
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58042146

Can someone take him down to the vet already. This has long since gotten out of hand.
>> No. 94379 Anonymous
2nd August 2021
Monday 8:39 pm
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>>94378
She's beautiful, I'd have many lovely children with her.
>> No. 94380 Anonymous
2nd August 2021
Monday 11:21 pm
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>>94379

She looks like more of a ventriloquist's dummy than Gove (even if the power dynamic actually works the other way around), how the hell does that happen? She just needs 8 hours in makeup with a black biro to complete the look.
>> No. 94381 Anonymous
2nd August 2021
Monday 11:26 pm
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>>94379
Imagine going in for Johnson's sloppy seconds. The inhumanity of it is overwhelming, the humilation indescribable.
>> No. 94389 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 10:32 am
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While most members of his government were winding down for the summer, Boris Johnson was getting decidedly wound up. At 9am on Monday, the prime minister met his senior Downing Street aides and was, according to those present, “apopleptic”, “raging” or “fucking tonto”.

In a fit of frustrated impotence, Johnson openly suggested that he might sack his chancellor of the exchequer, Rishi Sunak. The focus of Johnson’s rage was the report in this newspaper last week that Sunak had written to the prime minister calling for a significant easing of the coronavirus travel restrictions, warning that they were damaging the economy and leaving the UK at a disadvantage to its European Union rivals. The problem was that the first Johnson knew of the letter was when details of it appeared in the media. Officials had failed to flag it for his attention, or to put it in his ministerial red box.

Johnson was furious at the leak and questioned the motives of the leaker. The letter seemed designed to undermine agreed policy and to make it look like the Treasury was trying to push him into action. As far as Johnson was concerned, he and Sunak were in agreement that a lot of the restrictions needed to go. Johnson’s aides were quick to blame officials at the Department for Transport, who had been copied in to the letter, but the prime minister was concerned about whether his ministers had been disloyal.

Sunak was not at the meeting. Johnson demanded to know: “Where’s Rishi? I need to speak to Rishi.” Then, in front of more than a dozen witnesses, he made a toxic suggestion that could electrify already tense relations between No 10 and No 11 Downing Street. A senior source said: “He said: ‘I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe it’s time we looked at Rishi as the next secretary of state for health. He could potentially do a very good job there.’ In an open meeting, after ranting about Rishi, he then suggested the chancellor could be demoted in the next reshuffle.”

The prime minister is known for making off-the-cuff comments “half in jest” and few expect him to carry out the threat. But the fact that he even entertained it is significant. Several of those present were struck by his vehemence and his reckless openness at a time when growing scrutiny is falling on tensions between No 10 and the Treasury. The letter affair was evidence not just of Johnson’s annoyance. The fact that he had not seen Sunak’s memo raised alarm bells that Downing Street dysfunction did not disappear with Dominic Cummings.

Johnson’s mood on Monday would hardly have been improved by the monthly survey conducted by ConservativeHome, a website that measures the views of party members. After a month in which he was forced into a U-turn over isolating and presided over chaotic Covid travel rules, Johnson plummeted 36 points to a net positive rating of just 3 per cent. Only Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, Amanda Milling, the party chairman, and Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, are below him. Sunak was second on plus 74 per cent, behind only Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, who has won plaudits with the Tory grassroots for getting on with post-Brexit trade deals. Asked who should be the next leader, 31 per cent of those polled named Sunak. Only Truss (12 per cent) and Penny Mordaunt (11 per cent) also made it into double figures.

A senior Tory said of Johnson: “His personal numbers are dropping like a stone. His unfavourables are going up and his favourables are going down. The critical concern for Boris is that he is prime minister because he is a winner. As soon as he is not, he has very few allies in and around the party.” But Johnson’s popularity has also been declining in national polls — along with that of the Conservatives in some of their traditional southern seats — and others suggest that, for a politician who wants to be loved, this is distressing. Critics say Johnson has little interest in a cabinet of talented and ambitious rivals, preferring (in a phrase the prime minister has used himself in private) “tired old lions”. Sunak is all too clearly a “hungry young lion”.

Few expect a reshuffle before the new year but it is understood that Johnson has, in the past, considered Truss, a former chief secretary to the Treasury, as Britain’s first female chancellor, with Jacob Rees-Mogg as her deputy. “The PM keeps talking about Liz Truss,” a source said. “He’s always got on quite well with her. He thinks she’s controllable.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/together-alone-boris-johnson-and-keir-starmer-wish-they-werent-here-0rbzf6n0q

Rishi has him rattled.
>> No. 94390 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 12:28 pm
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>>94389
Sounds like the spending review will be fun.
>> No. 94391 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:07 pm
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>>94389

I know we're all used to this sort of political "intrigue", but imagine for a second your own boss going on like this in a meeting, or even in private. You'd have him out the door via HR by lunch time.
>> No. 94392 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:27 pm
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>>94391
1. No you wouldn't, what bollocks.

2. This false equivalence of government with whatever random sandwich supplier you work for irks me.
>> No. 94393 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:41 pm
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>>94392

Yes I would.

My job is more important than the government
>> No. 94394 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:45 pm
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>>94392

It's interesting that you seem to think that petulant backstabbing is acceptable or even required of a government leader.
>> No. 94395 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:57 pm
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>>94394
Not him but I assure you that if I spoke to the press against my boss I'd be getting much more than a dressing down. If my job was also specifically to tell him about this kind of thing going on I would also have some angry words in my direction.

This might not be how it works at your job with Starmer but then some people have more authority.
>> No. 94396 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 1:57 pm
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>>94395

Is that what happened?
>> No. 94397 Anonymous
8th August 2021
Sunday 2:38 pm
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>>94396
Yes.
>> No. 94399 Anonymous
11th August 2021
Wednesday 8:38 am
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47% of Tory voters think Sunak should replace Johnson within the next 12 months.
>> No. 94400 Anonymous
11th August 2021
Wednesday 9:37 am
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>>94399
That's not 47% of Tory voters, that's 47% of Tory voters who think Rishi should succeed Boris.
>> No. 94401 Anonymous
11th August 2021
Wednesday 1:38 pm
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>>94400
Indeed, if otherlad looks at the top left pie chart he can see that actually fewer Tories think Rishi would make a better PM than Boris.
>> No. 94402 Anonymous
11th August 2021
Wednesday 7:50 pm
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>>94399
>Happy for wife/partner to dine with

Are you aiming for the lowest or highest score on this one?
Seems a bit racist to ask if you'd go for a pint with a devout Hindu.
>> No. 94405 Anonymous
12th August 2021
Thursday 9:20 am
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>>94401
Whoever's drawing those pie charts needs a talking to.
>> No. 94406 Anonymous
12th August 2021
Thursday 9:24 am
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>>94405
This is bizarre.
>> No. 94417 Anonymous
13th August 2021
Friday 12:35 pm
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>>94406
I think the numbers are correct if they rotate once anti-clockwise.
>> No. 94418 Anonymous
13th August 2021
Friday 12:53 pm
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>>94417
Still looks a bit weird.
>> No. 94419 Anonymous
13th August 2021
Friday 2:09 pm
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>>94406

It's deliberate and has been seen before.
>> No. 94646 Anonymous
21st September 2021
Tuesday 11:36 pm
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>The government will meet the operating costs of a US-owned fertiliser plant so it can restart production of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the UK after warnings of food shortages. The deal will allow CF Industries, which supplies most of the CO2 used in food production, to restart its factory in Billingham, Stockton-on-Tees. It had halted two of its fertiliser factories due to soaring gas prices.

>The BBC understands the deal could cost tens of millions of pounds.

>On Tuesday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson urged people not to worry about putting food on the table this winter, amid rising energy and food bills and a cut to universal credit. Wholesale prices for gas have surged 250% since January, with a 70% rise since August alone, leading to calls for support from the industry, and the collapse of some smaller energy firms.

>The resulting shortage of carbon dioxide saw warnings about the potential impact on food suppliers, as well as the NHS and the nuclear industry, where it is used as a coolant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58641394

I never would've guessed we'd run out of hot-air in conference season.
>> No. 94648 Anonymous
22nd September 2021
Wednesday 12:29 am
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>>94646
> It had halted two of its fertiliser factories due to soaring gas prices.
Surely this is like if the price of gold skyrocketed so hard that you closed down all your gold mines? It's inexplicable.
>> No. 94649 Anonymous
22nd September 2021
Wednesday 1:41 am
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>>94648
It's natural gas that's become prohibitively expensive, not the C02 they're selling.
>> No. 94674 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 2:42 am
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>>94648
CO2 is a shitty by-product of their fertiliser production. To produce fertiliser they need natural gas. Natural gas has become extremely expensive. They therefore have ceased production as it's not profitable, therefore no CO2.
>> No. 94675 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 2:53 am
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Why is natural gas so much more expensive now than it was five years ago? I’ve been keeping an eye out, though I’ve not looked into it directly myself, but nothing I’ve read has mentioned it.
>> No. 94676 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 2:54 am
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>>94675
You can thank the cunts blocking all the fracking everywhere.
>> No. 94677 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:14 am
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>>94676
No, you can thank the cunts who are blocking nuclear. "Oh no, we can't deal with nuclear waste, lets just blow up the country and poison half the isle". Fucking crusties.
>> No. 94678 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:17 am
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>>94675
I wrote a massive response to this but Brian killed it.

1. Coronavirus has delayed maintenance and investment in production facilities, LNG ports, interconnectors (plus a fire in Norway)
2. Long winter has meant European reserves are low to begin with (in our case Rough storage facility was also shut down as it was unsafe)
3. Weather has hit renewable generation.
4. Coal price is also high, substitution is more difficult/expensive.
5. Massive demand for gas from Asia and Latin America due to increased investment in China, a long, hot summer in Asia and drought in Latin America (means they can't produce hydro).
>> No. 94679 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 7:09 am
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>>94675
It's those sneaky fucking Russians.
>> No. 94684 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 10:16 am
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>>94677
Can you use it to make CO2 and not cause food shortages? You lot will be the end of Britain.
>> No. 94685 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 1:59 pm
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>>94678 Of course, that graph's time period was chosen carefully.
>> No. 94686 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 2:47 pm
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>>94684
You don't need the CO2, silly. Do you think germs are going to survive on a chicken breast that's glowing like the Demon Core? Obviously not.
>> No. 94687 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 2:59 pm
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>>94685
Why, yes, the graph does indeed to show a different shape to [checks notes] a different fucking graph.
>> No. 94688 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:01 pm
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>>94687
Don't do the "check's notes" thing on here, it's unbecoming. You're better than that and it displays a level of disrespect to the site.
>> No. 94689 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:08 pm
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>>94686
Although I did see that our creakingly shite and close to retirement AGR fleet need regular CO2 deliveries. Although it's a tad worrying that it's not a closed system, but I know nothing.
>> No. 94690 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:19 pm
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>>94688
You're (a) wrong, and (b) not my real dad.
>> No. 94691 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:20 pm
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>>94687 Hang on, that graph came from an ons.gov.uk page about gas prices! Sorry, didn't see they'd sneakily given me a CPIH when I asked it to generate the gas price graph.
Still, off you go, find the right thing rather than whining, eh?
>> No. 94692 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:24 pm
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>>94688
What? Think you got carried away with that post.
>> No. 94693 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 3:30 pm
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How about this one?
from https://www.erce.energy/graph/uk-natural-gas-nbp-spot-price/
It does look like we're in an exciting spike. Super. Not least because I buy my gas in red tanks, pikey-style. Should have laid in a few last month.
>> No. 94694 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 4:32 pm
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>>94678
"The UK's sixth largest energy company, Bulb, is seeking a bailout to stay afloat amid surging wholesale gas prices."
says BBC news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58619418

But there's an agreed upon route to deal with failed energy companies without fucking their customers over excessively. Why on earth is a government bailout even remotely possible? I guess it does no harm to ask, since they'll all be jobless in a month, but, frankly, fuck'em.
>> No. 94695 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 5:30 pm
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>>94693
Here's the current spike added in for context.

Fun times.
>> No. 94696 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 5:35 pm
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>>94694
Buying gas at current market rates and then selling it to residential customers within the price cap is a guaranteed recipe to lose money. The competitors aren't going to step in without government backing.
>> No. 94697 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 5:42 pm
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>>94696
BRB, checking ebay for diesel generators.
>> No. 94698 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 6:02 pm
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Are we going to come full circle and re-nationalise a load of energy suppliers because the mean old free market is making it too hard for them?
>> No. 94699 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 6:06 pm
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>>94698
Not if Starmer has his way.
>> No. 94700 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 6:44 pm
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>>94699
But what about all the hard working families with no heating?
>> No. 94701 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 7:15 pm
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>>94700
They can put a hat on.
>> No. 94702 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 8:07 pm
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>>94700
All that hard work will keep them warm.
>> No. 94703 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 8:34 pm
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>>94698
They're not really suppliers though. They're just companies set up as a bonkers scheme to create an illusion of competition by having a fuckload of middlemen buying energy off real suppliers and selling it onto consumers. The big suppliers are in no real danger in the short term.
>> No. 94704 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 11:47 pm
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Where the fuck is Lembit Opik wih his Big Dick Energy Company?

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