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|>>|| No. 92607
You know it's local election time when councillors you've never heard of start creeping out of the woodwork again.
|>>|| No. 95692
>I'll fight any cunt that disagrees
You, me, after school, behind the Spar.
|>>|| No. 95693
One of the funniest things I've read was a book on the Scottish referendum that pointed out that someone had proposed the same idea during that campaign, only for Ruth Davidson to shut it down by saying something like "You can't do that, Salmond will immediately call it 'the Union's tombstone', and he could be right!"
It's beautiful. It suggests that the Ed Stone was some Labour staffer's pet idea, that it was correctly identified as not being the best of ideas, but that he was nevertheless committed to it, and so in all of the chaos and uncertainty of the 2015 election campaign, that staffer did his best and successfully got his pet idea back on the agenda only for it to go down about as well as he was told it would.
|>>|| No. 95697
I thought it was fairly daft, but it was the subsequent interview where in one of the shadow cabinet described the pledges as 'not set in stone' that totally blew it for me. I think that might actually be the moment where UK politics completely detached from reality.
|>>|| No. 95768
What's your bet then lads, I think I might vote Conservative again as the local manifesto is the least offensive.
|>>|| No. 95769
It's a local election so perhaps you don't consider what the weirdos in Westminster do a factor at all. However, voting Conservative after not just these past 6 months, but 12 years, displays a certain lack of self-respect.
|>>|| No. 95770
Maybe he just likes poverty and sexual harassment, have you thought about that?
|>>|| No. 95772
The worst thing for Labour would be to win so comprehensively that the Tories realise they've no chance of winning the next GE with Johnson so they replace him with someone less incompetent.
|>>|| No. 95773
I don't really know who I'll vote for yet. Definitely not the Conservatives for lots of reasons, and not Labour because the two-party system must be opposed in every way available to me, and not the Liberal Democrats because they side with homeowners rather than renters now. So that leaves either the Green Party, or a random banter party. I voted Women's Equality Party in 2019, but after looking on their website when I got home, I think they're actually a little too in favour of women's equality. Hopefully there will be a candidate from whatever party Robert Mugabe was in, or somebody like that.
|>>|| No. 95774
My novelty choice is the Yorkshire Party, but I went with Labour because they've actually campaigned in my area and are the only realistic chance of unseating the Tory incumbent (who is ex-UKIP and was sacked from a previous job for being racist).
|>>|| No. 95775
Horses for courses, I suppose.
I mostly agree, but only because rather than paint Johnson as the Ur-Conservative, the alpha and omega of their whole ideology, Starmer has fallen into a trap of suggesting the PM is a freakish aberration. The reality is any Tory usurper would be equally as ideological bankrupt, like how right now Gove is suggesting we need more social housing, but almost immediately afterwards Johnson is announcing a return to Right to Buy. This is what needs to be drummed into the public consciousness, that the Tory Party creates more problems than it solves, and does so wilfully. Starmer’s just not any good at doing this, which, you know, is a problem for the leader of the opposition.
|>>|| No. 95778
Good for this nutcase, opposing the cashless society like that. What a commendable position. Now, let's hear more about replacing all money with untraceable cryptocurrencies...
|>>|| No. 95779
>the Tory plan deliberately killed 39,000 elderly in care homes
First Tory policy I've ever wholeheartedly supported. But as usual they bottled it and stopped short.
I can't believe they haven't already thought of Britcoin. Imagine a world where the UK is freed from the shackles of institutions like the IMF and crippling public debt, financing everything by selling autistic libertarian Yanks NFTs of the queen.
|>>|| No. 95780
A fucking abysmal showing this year. The ONLY choices on my ballot paper were:
-SDP (yes, the 1980s are back at last??????)
Nobody else. No Alliance for Green Socialism, no Women's Equality Party, no English Democrats, not even an independent candidate who's changed his name by deed poll to Super Bus Wanker Man. Democracy is a sham.
|>>|| No. 95781
I thought this was just in my area, what's going on, can people not afford £500 anymore?
|>>|| No. 95782
I had the choice between Labour or some independent candidates. No point in anyone else standing TBH.
|>>|| No. 95784
You tend to get that more at general elections. I don't know anything about my local candidates other than the Labour and Tory ones turning up for photo opportunities in recent weeks. None of the others have even bothered posting a flyer.
|>>|| No. 95787
They had some people getting out the vote yesterday, going round and reminding everyone to go and give Labour their special X, and when I told them they could not in fact count on my vote they looked genuinely disappointed, as if they'd heard this a lot already. I don't know how they did in my area, though; I would happily bet money that they would have won anyway.
|>>|| No. 95788
It definitely is, they're not making gains where they need to be making them. That said, it is a slaughter for the Tories so far. It just depends what that'll translate to at the next GE.
|>>|| No. 95789
At the moment they're actually down on seats outside of London.
I can see why they lost control of Hull, with constant roadworks for years and poorly thought through cycle lanes making it one of the most congested cities in the world.
|>>|| No. 95791
They were on a high in councils outside of London last time these were up for election, so they have a lot of seats to lose and not many to gain. The raw numbers of losses for Tories outside London might not look massive, but it represents a loss of 10% of their seats.
|>>|| No. 95792
This information all seems very surprising to me, given that Jeremy Corbyn's whole problem was that only London hippies and wankers in other cities voted for him. How are those people now preferring Labour even more, and the rest of the country liking Labour even less?
|>>|| No. 95793
Last numbers I saw for Not London showed a net loss of two seats, and this seems to be mostly treadmill effect. They're gaining seats from the Tories, but in the metros they're losing seats to the Greens and Lib Dems, which is at least an overall shift in the correct direction. Given that this includes places like Manchester where they held every single seat, this is understandable.
|>>|| No. 95795
Big thanks to Mr Salmond for bring the laughs. Funniest rapist in politics, easily.
|>>|| No. 95798
But I thought the verdict came back that he din't do owt? Or was it that the case got thrown out because some evidence came to light showing how it was all a premeditated smear campaign?
I lose track of these things, because birds are always trying to use a good false rape accusation for clout these days.
|>>|| No. 95799
It was some technicality over who did what and when with some paperwork. Obviously it was rape because nobody's sleeping with that willingly.
|>>|| No. 95800
Over a dozen women don't accuse you of sexual assault without there being something to it. Fucking hang yourself, cunt.
|>>|| No. 95801
Yeah, they do.
They tried it on Bernie Sanders, in the American election primaries a couple of years ago. When it didn't stick they dropped it and went with anti-Semite, then they realised he was Jewish so they settled on plain old white supremacist. Purely 100% made up smear attenpts because he was contending against Elizabeth Warren, the party's preferred candidate.
I know it's not easy to understand but if you truly view women as equals to men, then you have to accept they're capable of doing bad things too, even false accusations of rape.
|>>|| No. 95802
I hate to be a pedant but it was 9 women with 14 offences.
I believe Salmond's own contention was that he acted inappropriately in one of the cases (probably the 'not proven' one) and did nothing in the others. I forget his lawyer's exact phrasing - a creep but not a rapist or something like that.
It's remarkable how badly the government fucked up their handling of the case. You can't hold them accountable for the jury verdict (though "the government's internal investigation was tainted by apparent bias against me" is something I'm sure any defence lawyer would like to say), but every other aspect was at best utterly incompetent.
|>>|| No. 95804
"Pay disparities and demeaning treatment" are the allegations about the Sanders campaign from 2019, that's not a dozen rape claims, you gormless ape.
>Women can do bad things too
Woah... my mind is blown. I'm seeing in 4D, I'm hearing colours, I'm touching the ethereal. However, I am mostly experiencing profound disdain towrads you. And I don't think women are equal to men, I think they are far and away better than men. For instance, your posts alone have brought our entire gender to its knees with shame and embarrassment.
|>>|| No. 95805
>I don't think women are equal to men, I think they are far and away better than men.
I've seen some spineless things on here before but this takes the biscuit. I hope you're joking and not actually this much of a simp.
|>>|| No. 95807
Right, so what about the statement immediately following on fromt that:
>"for instance, your posts alone have brought our entire gender to its knees with shame and embarrassment"
... would lead you to believe I was being serious? And if you do believe I was being serious, why haven't you rendered yourself to the closest psychiatric unit?
|>>|| No. 95809
One woman might invent an allegation. A crazy woman might go along for the ride. But your assertion that nine women all independently decided to invent a false allegation for no reason, all against the same person, all at the same time, makes you sound like you have an agenda.
|>>|| No. 95810
iirc Salmond's defence was the allegation that the accusations weren't independent, that he was the victim of a conspiracy, and that some of the accusations were exaggerations rather than outright falsehoods.
(And that he was creepy but not criminal.)
|>>|| No. 95811
>"Pay disparities and demeaning treatment" are the allegations about the Sanders campaign from 2019, that's not a dozen rape claims, you gormless ape.
You won't find it anymore, because they go and "correct" all their articles and memory hole the stuff they got wrong these days. But there were definitely historical abuse allegations and noise coming from the #metoo lot, although tellingly they never pushed as far as actually going legal.
Now I'm not saying Salmond didn't never not do whatever they said he done, he looks like the type of grubby fucker who absolutely would have done it, but my point is it's absolutely not out of the realms of possibility for a group of women, who have a shared interest in defaming a bloke (especially a celebrity or politician), to gang together and say he tried to slip his hand up their skirt or whatever.
I just find the age old classic argument of "there's no smoke without fire" to be flawed, at best.
>Woah... my mind is blown. I'm seeing in 4D, I'm hearing colours, I'm touching the ethereal etc etc
Bit of an overreaction m8.
|>>|| No. 96034
You live in Wakefield. Yes you do; you won't fool me. How is the by-election going? Seen any big, or smaller than usual, turnouts? Anyone campaigning at all? Will the Conservatives keep the seat?
|>>|| No. 96036
>Will the Conservatives keep the seat?
Not a chance, the party more or less seems to have already conceded it as a lost cause.
Incidentally Pizza Time in Outwood does the best cheesy chips, bar none.
|>>|| No. 96037
Turnout in Wakefield is around 40% which is typical for a by-election, and it's looking like at least some Labour voters have come back home.
Meanwhile, in Tiverton & Honiton it's over 50% and another 20k Tory majority looks to have been demolished.
|>>|| No. 96038
Labour take it with a majority of 5k.
ARE JAYDA got 23 votes, and wasn't even on the stage for the declaration. Lib Dems lost their deposit.
|>>|| No. 96040
Lib Dems take Tiverton on a majority of 6k. 30% swing.
Swing to Labour in Wakey is around 12%.
|>>|| No. 96041
These by-election results have driven Oliver Dowden to resign as party co-chairman. That's the best news. He is a seriously ugly motherfucker with a permanently sneering face, a bit like Priti Patel's smirk. I hate to look at him. What excellent news that he hopefully won't be on the telly for a bit.
|>>|| No. 96042
So far the only political refugee to leave England for Rwanda is Boris Johnson himself.
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